CCW. Really, really nice. I have a Seecamp .32 and could pretend it's a .380; but I would know it wasn't. I'll look for a really nice .380 used one until.............. Thanks for the pictures.
Now, whose a bad influence? ;D
Again, really nice holsters. How do you decide on which one to carry? If one had trouble making decisions, you would be in a delima, although a good one to have! ;D
Seecamp .32 and Seecamp .380
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I feel lucky to have snagged this cool serial number 380 a short time back. It's not been shot since it left the factory.
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P.S. if you guys looking for 380's find an extra one for less than MSRP give me a shout! ;)
John. You keep good secrets! ;D ;D
John. You keep good secrets! ;D ;D
You're now in competition with at least two, for Seecamp .380's, unless John will part with one of his 200. ;D
At least for me and a few others I've talked to, the primary difference with the 380 recoil is the very sharp slap from the trigger guard on the back of the trigger finger. It's not something that will stop anyone from firing a few rounds...but I've not heard of too many guys volunteering to run any more than a couple of mags thru, either. After about 8-10 rds. the "macho" look begins to disappear and the "Ya...that's a fine gun" and "here, you try it, ........(fill in the name of other friend who's been watching)..It's not bad at all." (liar)
;) I love the gun and have two...but, the R9 is a lot more comfortable to shoot.
Fortunately, yes. One that has a special serial nbr. notating the month my wife and I met and pet names for each other, swiped from a movie with Sean Connery and Catherin Zita-Jones. My wife carries a Seecamp 32 with the corresponding name & number.
The other, is still sealed in the box with another special serial nbr on it. It took 22 months from order to receipt.
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I just like powerful stuff! ;D
Just keep ordering them, of course once they start taking orders again.
That's what I did.
Now there's a thought, Richard! I like the power!
This is not as powerful as the howitzer, though! ;D
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BTW...There's a Seecamp BNIB on GB right now...last I looked the price was a little over $800.
That bid is up to $855. now with six days to go. This same seller had one on Gunbroker on Thursday that went for $1150. I had called him that day and asked him if he had anymore and he said yes, one, for $1200 and that it would be going on Gunbroker next, and it is.
I'm not sure these LWS 380s will ever settle down in price as the LWS 32s did. Do you remember the 32s selling for close to a thousand dollars?
Then when the time comes these people that paid the inflated price ( I'm not saying that part is wrong) want to sell, they should expect to set the price for what the market value is, not what they paid.
There was a case on the Seecamp forum where the seller of a 32 wanted way over what you could get a nice used one or a brand new one, and he insisted that he should get that much as he paid too much for it back in the day.He wanted his investment back. Can't happen. Now with the LWS 380s getting up in price we may have the same issue, however, some one here stated that these MSRP prices for the LWS 380 are quite a few years old, and the Seecamp company could have an increase once they get caught up on orders.
So it is possible that some are paying today what tomorrows price will be, so resale wise you could get your money back.
Bottom line is you pay what you are willing to pay, and be happy that you bought one.
That being said, I would not sell any of my LWS 380s until the factory starts taking orders again and I see what a new one would cost me. The one I have on order is locked into that price, but I have ordered one every chance I had eventually the price will go up.
At least for me and a few others I've talked to, the primary difference with the 380 recoil is the very sharp slap from the trigger guard on the back of the trigger finger. It's not something that will stop anyone from firing a few rounds...but I've not heard of too many guys volunteering to run any more than a couple of mags thru, either. After about 8-10 rds. the "macho" look begins to disappear and the "Ya...that's a fine gun" and "here, you try it, ........(fill in the name of other friend who's been watching)..It's not bad at all." (liar)
;) I love the gun and have two...but, the R9 is a lot more comfortable to shoot.
Asking any of you who have fired one, is this like a cherry bomb exploding in your hand? I am having a hard time understanding the appeal other than the cult and rarity that fuels demand.
LAA. Sorry to hear of your Seecamp .380 problem. Hope it gets cleared up. Now, I have heard of a problem and hope it is rare. I'll be using Silvertips, so we'll see.
My 380 arrives at the ffl tomorrow. Hopefully it checks out ;)
Asking any of you who have fired one, is this like a cherry bomb exploding in your hand? I am having a hard time understanding the appeal other than the cult and rarity that fuels demand.
CCW. Today's the day! Hope this little jewel meets your expectations. :)
Now, that is nice! You now have to go to work? I do understand, though. Somebody's got to do it! ;D
lol! You are killin me >:(
Update:
My 380 is being returned to the seller.
It feeds Silvertips, but Hydra Shok do NOT chamber at all. Hydra Shok will not even hand feed and only make it about 3/4 of the way into the chamber. I notice there is a little dip in the chamber so I think that is causing the hang up. The seller has used not recommended truncated ammo and I am wondering if that may have caused the dip in the chamber. Maybe he even used high pressure rounds... Either way the seller is being nice about it and is refunding my money. I will post this on the Seecamp forum too. It was fun while it lasted lol... ;D
Florida CCW,
Sorry to hear about your problems. I too had probs with the Hydrashoks feeding but only with the last round. Mine is at Seecamp being looked at right now.
Have you considered talking to Larry? If you call the tech number on the Seecamp website, Larry actually answers the phone and is very personable and helpful. When I talked to him, he said he doubted it was a problem with the ammo because Hydrashoks have such tight manufacturing tolerances. However, now that I hear others are having the same problem, I wonder if it isn't an ammo manufacturing problem after all. By now, Larry may have spoken with Federal and found out one way or the other whether it is an ammo problem. Who knows, you may be able to save yourself the hassel of returning the gun and finding and winning the bid on another .380 by simply calling Larry.
If you got a good price on the .380, it may be worth it to send it in to Larry for a tune up rather than returning it to the Seller. They really do stand behind every gun for the life of the gun and the warranty transfers with the gun.
Whatever you end up doing, I hope it all works out for you.
Is there variability in the manufacturing process of chambers when they are made? Could be... We will see :)
There is quite a bit of hand fitting in them but no hand milling anymore its done by a CNC machine. Its an awfully cool process to watch it go frome two chunks to a polished gun. I have pics from a factory visit I was blessed with a month ago that I can post of some of the how to's when I get home. Larry did take me over to the old shop and show me the orginal machines that he got started with and that was real neat to see.
CCW. If Larry figures out the problem, do you keep it? Just wondering. My thought is, yes.If he can fix the issue then no problem exists. I would keep it then :)
Thanks for the clarification. I'm not a machinist either. As I was talking to Larry, I was trying to contrast in my mind the process that, for example, NAA uses (electronic injection molding) which results in precision pieces that have a lower tensil strength. In my mind, I pictured the Seecamp milling process as a mechanical process involving human interaction, judgment and precision in operating the machinery rather than electronically designed and manufactured moldings and electronically controlled burnoff and injection. Either way, I think you still end up with manufacturing variances with the Seecamps but the trade off in light weight durability and strength is worth it. By contrast, the NAA Guardian .380, which is a fine precision manufactured gun for its price range, is significantly larger and dramatically heavier than the Seecamp .380 (even though it is a clone). NAA says that by increasing the size of their .380, they can accommodate a larger range of ammol; this may be true, but it is also true that it was necessary to beef up the NAA .380, to compensate for lower tensil strength steel.
Ok, I'm just rambling now and perhaps I have hijacked the thread . . . Sorry.
I wonder where Larry buys his ammo.
I tell ya what, I'd buy it after Larry finished with it.
No doubt that it will be fixed, and heavily tested. Not just by shooting, Larry will do as CCW did and test the fit of various ammunition.
Just took it to 1000 for fun and I was instantly outbid from a max bid :D
CCW. I'm sure everything will be made right as well. I just picked up the .380 and it looks very nice. Won't have a chance to fire it until the Silvertips come in.
I just located a NIB Seecamp 380 at a gun shop out of state for $859, I need to call tomorrow and find out if the owner will ship, he was not there today. ;D
John
Good luck! I see you have posted WTB a .380 Seecamp in every single gun forum lol... ;D
He only wants $200. to ship! ;D ;D
That's were I got the lead, a guy from one of the forums (one I'm pretty sure you are not on :D) I have seen your name on a lot of them.
I am a member on at least thirty forums. I list and sell brass to the guys who reload.
John
I just located a NIB Seecamp 380 at a gun shop out of state for $859, I need to call tomorrow and find out if the owner will ship, he was not there today. ;D
John
Well, I like a Seecamp better, stainless. Sorry! ;)
All this talk about Seecamps the last few days got my mind spinning. Yesterday I stripped one down, checkered the front and back straps, painted the grips and Ceracoated the pistol black. I think for my first time cutting and coating on a gun it turned out pretty good. What do ya'll think?
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Its still stainless! Lol
I am working on perfecting a system of finding Seecamp 380's for sale. Later this week I might share part of it. ::)
Fantastic!!!! Told you it works.Thanks for the info! A few laughed at me and one just said no and hung up :D .... I am surprised by how fast some of the dealers responded to emails. I hit the east coast first and then bombed the midwest and west coast ;D I skipped some of the ones that did not list emails so there is probably another 380 around. A few even said they sell at 800 when they have them.
Now, that's nice. You can now locate one for me! I can tell you're excited about finding the new one. Hoping Corey would tell me that phone no. He's probably buying them both. ;D
I still have a lot of emails out and will PM you anything worthwhile....
kj,
If Corey give s you the phone number you miss the thrill of the hunt, the personal satisfaction of knowing and saying
"I DID IT, I found the Holy Grail" ;D
Florida and I were both mentally satisfied when we knew we cheated the aftermarket vultures out of there $400 profit.
John
Hit pay dirt. Just checked my email, and had a message saying this gun shop had just gotten in two Seecamp .380's, which had been on order for 18 months, and just under $900 each and I mean, just under.Way to go! Congratulations! Your conscientiousness and hard work paid off. That's an excellent price for a NIB "instant gratification" LWS380. I'm surprised that you didn't grab them both. :D
I quickly called. ;D
Wow, that sounds great! Thanks kytrains and you are MORE than welcome. I'm glad it worked out for you. :)
Spoke with Larry today about the .380. He was able to duplicate the hydra shok feeding problem, but was unable to figure out the reason. He decided to smooth out the chamber and the problem was resolved. In the end, he thinks that there was a burr inside the chamber that kept the round from properly feeding. It was fired with no problems and he stated that the firearm was functioning properly :)
You did not happen to be in Berry's this afternoon at 5:15 ish did you?
Larry said he fixed my .380 Hydra Shok feeding problem by polishing the chamber ;D
Which begs the question on a high dollar, high demand gun like the Seecamp, why didn't they do that in the first place and save everyone the aggravation?
The Phil Seecamp .380 is now on it's journey back to see Larry. Will be there 10:30 in the morning. I'm not in any hurry, but will be glad when it returns.
That seems like a long time for a company with small production numbers, I have sent guns to S&W, Colt and Ruger and had them back sooner than that.
John
That sounds like customer service, shop, Q/A, and shipping and receiving all wrapped up in one person.
Be sure to follow up. Larry forgot he had fixed the one I sent in and it sat for 3-4 extra weeks. The person I bought it from ended up buying it back.
Jesse,
Thanks for your take on it. Do you have a guesstimate as to how many Seecamps of each caliber have been produced?
Maybe I'll do that and glad to hear I am not a weo. I think that is similar to what my English friend calls a "Wanker" but maybe more of an instant expert through wikipedia. In any case a weo is not a complimentary designation.
Best Wishes,
Jesse
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And Jesse. Great photos of the Seecamps and this one. :)
Excellent, Jesse, excellent!
Jesse. More fine photos. I like the Ruger LCP and have one NIB, just never have taken the time to fire. That one of your wife's with the scroll work is outstanding.
I'm with you on the Seecamps; love 'em too. The recoil on the .380 Seecamp doesn't bother me, !
Be sure to follow up. Larry forgot he had fixed the one I sent in and it sat for 3-4 extra weeks. The person I bought it from ended up buying it back.
...1967 Firebird 326 HO.
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Sounds good Richard. I'm going to go near the Falls, High Falls; should be a little cooler there; however, probably not much.
Glad your Baby is fixed KJ, hope you can get it back soon.
Meanwhile, stay cool. 8)
Nice stuff Ken!
The kahr shoots much softer than the LCP and mine is CRAZY accurate for a pocket pistol. 10" ballons at 50 yards are easy one shot kills. I can't do that with my LCP at 25 yards! The LCP is nice, P380 is nicer, but for me a Seecamp or R9 will be in my pocket.
Jesse,
Good to see you here!!
cc:
Well, I'm almost 68 years old, with declining vision and there is simply no such distance as 25 yards, much less 50.. ;)
My personal self defense distance with my favorite 9MM HK P2000sk is 7 yards, and with my Seecamp or LCP it's only 3...
But, enjoying hitting a target wayyy off is not something I'm unfamiliar with, just unfamiliar with the past decade or so...
Enjoy your vision and steady hand while you have 'em.... Time has a way of screwing with both..
Best Wishes,
jesse
When all of you have R9's, why is there so much interest in having and carrying a 380? It seems they are less comfortable to shoot and less effective defensively. Is it the lighter weight? or just liking to be familiar with different calibers? the laser on the S&W BG? the workmanship on the Seecamp .380? What?
I have just gotten my first R9s and chose it for the 9mm capability. Am I missing something in regards to the 380s?
The 7:14 mark is great ;D
The 7:14 mark is great ;D
The 32 is gone and replaced with a 380. ;D
The 32 is gone and replaced with a 380. ;D
Very nice Seecamp .380, John. I knew you'd have to have another. ;D Hmmm......nice work on the back......maybe Corey's? :)
Started to shoot a mag yesterday and fired the first rd and it jammed locking the hammer back. The hammer stayed locked back. Larry seemed to know exactly what was wrong and said, send it back, when I talked to him first thing this morning.
deercop. Thanks for the advice on scrubbing the chamber area. I'll sure do that in future cleanings.
Not like the Seecamp .380 will depreciate. I will post some pics ;D My turn for peer pressure :D
... Again, Larry warranties everything that is Seecamp so don't worry about buying used. Unlike Rohrbaugh they 100% stand by the gun regardless of who owns it.
This is so true of Mr. Larry. He leads an extraordinary company with an unparalleled view on customer service. True old school pride in their work. No matter whose hands a Seecamp winds up in, no matter how many years down the road, if it has an issue, the man will fix it for you, no questions asked. I own two and will be a Seecamp owner for life. Now that the .380s are a reasonable price again on the market, i will probably get another just in case. In case of what, i don't know, but i just can't resist, they are such a miniaturized work of art.
I dont know if that is correct. In hindsight, i paid about $1200 for mine, which was the average price on Gunbroker about that time for new in box.
Jesse. Where ya been? It has been awhile. Welcome back. Love that Seecamp! :)
kj,
Thanks, I appreciate it very much..
Best Wishes,
Jesse
P.S. Here are two photos of a couple of my favorite plinkers now. Both 1970 Model 39 "Century Limiteds".. I enjoy shooting both, but the Redfield peep sight on one of them makes it absolutely a tack driver at any distance I can see the target from..
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Joe,
Respectfully, the LWS380 didn't depreciate 30%, you paid 30% too much for it in the first place.
I don't know what LWS380's are retailing for now, ,,,snip...
Jesse, good to see you back and glad thing are looking up for you.
Rein:
Thank you also for the kind words, and congratulations on the Century you have! I'm not a collector, but I think if I had such a find I'd not shoot it either...
:)
I also have a Marlin Model 39 (1996), two Browning SA22's (ATD's), a Winchester 63 (Miroku), and recently inherited a pristine Remington 552.. I love 'em all, but the old Century Limited with the model 70 Redfield peep sight is just the one I enjoy shooting the most..
I apologize to those folks who are observing how I've led the original theme of this thread off into the wilderness, it was unintentional, but it was very nice to be missed..
Best Wishes,
Jesse :)
I agree, there's just something about those lever actions!
Hi Joe,
The only thing that matters with your Seecamp, and how much you did or did not pay for it, is if you are happy with it..
Apparently you are, (as I am with mine), so all's well that end's well.
I know all about buying too high and having to lose my butt when I sold something..... :-[
You were only out a few hundred bucks.. You don't want to hear my story about the new Linclon MK VII my wife and I bought back in 1989 and sold 6 months later...
And thanks also for the nice words about our new family member.
Best Wishes,
Jesse
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Hi Joe,
Wow.. neat old Winchester.... I'd say that would stay in the family as "heirloom" material..
;D
Thanks for showing it to us... I really like that "tang peep sight" (I might be wrong in the proper name, but you know what I mean).
Each time I see an old gun like yours I wish it could talk, because you just know it's been places and seen a lot over the years..
Best Wishes,
Jesse
Hi Richard,
Thanks for your comments... I think we have all lost family members in the form of pets that were simply irreplaceable. I've lost many over my almost 69 years, but none more special than my Buddy..
Jodie already has captured our hearts, and one of the things Buddy would do each day that was so neat is take my MIL's mail (one piece) in his mouth and take it over to her. (She live's next door on our 5 acres).. Just for fun I offered Jodie a letter just to see what she'd do with it, and the first day she just dropped it, but the past 2 days she has kept it in her mouth all the way to "Granny's" porch and when my MIL came to the door seeing Jodie with a letter in her mouth being delivered as Buddy would do almost brought her to tears..
I think that's pretty good for a puppy only 13wks old.
Thanks again,
Jesse
P.S. They'll never be another Buddy... Maybe one day down the road I'll be saying the same thing about little Jodie?
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Joe, that is an AWESOME gun!
That is an original 30-30 take down.
The lever at the end of the mag tube is used to "unscrew" the barrel and mag assembley and "take down" into two pieces.
Those are really cool.
That looks in good shape and is worth consideralbly more than your average 30-30.
Thanks for sharing!
kj,
Thanks, I appreciate it very much..
Best Wishes,
Jesse
P.S. Here are two photos of a couple of my favorite plinkers now. Both 1970 Model 39 "Century Limiteds".. I enjoy shooting both, but the Redfield peep sight on one of them makes it absolutely a tack driver at any distance I can see the target from..
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2466.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2522.jpg)
Here is another one, a Winchester that my grandfather gave to me. It has a screw on octagon barrel which says "30 WCF" and "especially for smokeless powder". No model number on it:
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Here ya go!
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/catalogue-download/pdf/Sights.pdf
Here's the Marbles
http://www.marblearms.com/standardPeepTang.html