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Title: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: gunner930 on August 19, 2004, 03:40:04 AM
 I did my first "take down" of my R9s yesterday. I can see why everyone recomends a vice. The hardest part for me wasn't getting the pin out but getting it back in. Yikes!
 Anyways, I noticed the lube the factory put on is a nice thick grease. Only having regular gun oil, I left it there until a good cleaning is really needed. R9SCarry mentioned under topic "Break In" that they used superlube at the factory. Exactly what kind of superlube? I searched and found a Superlube brand but they offer several types of lubes, from sprays to engine oils. Any detailed info on what the factory uses or recomends will be greatly appreciated.
 Gunner930
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: justin2992 on August 20, 2004, 01:54:32 AM
I just use MIL-COMM TW25-B grease.  It's what Sig supplies with their P220 stainless.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: R9SCarry on August 20, 2004, 11:36:19 AM
Gunner - I'd have to check on that ...... as to actual specific spec' / viscocity.  When Eric mentioned ''Superlube'' I thought no further on it.

It didn't actually strike me as all that thick actually.

I would suggest tho you maybe consider such things as ... RIG grease ... this is very persistent but once applied effectively low viscosity.  Then there is Mobil #1 oil ... a quart will see you to your grave  :P ... it'll be used so sparingly!

I have found a lot of people using it and have been trying it myself .. and to be honest I'd doubt it is at all inferior to any of the expensive, so called ''specialized'' type lubes.

As with all gun lubing ... just enough - but not too much.  Use of a toothpick or fine wire - so as to apply lube just where you want and nowhere else - is something I always consider important.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: gunner930 on August 20, 2004, 12:58:46 PM
 Thank You both for your recomendations! Interesting about the use of Mobil 1. Never thought about motor oils. I have no doubt if it can lube a car at 200+ degrees for 3000miles, it would be fine for a gun.
Gunner
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: Mr_Jody_Hudson on August 26, 2004, 10:20:04 PM
I wrote SuperLube and got a nice reply.  It is carried by ACE Hardware Stores!
Here is the nice Email I got from them:

www.Super-Lube.com

Hello and thank you for your interest in Super Lube. We do have some hardware oriented dealers in Delaware however we do not have any gun or firearm dealers in and around that area.

The minimum order for Super Lube is very small…only 24pcs or two cases assorted. If you want to purchase less we can either find you a local Ace hardware or you can purchase Super Lube by the piece directly from our web-site.  

I took the liberty of attaching our dealer pricing in case you wanted to purchase the minimum and get the better price over and above the web-site.

 

Let me know how I can of further assistance and thank you for considering Super lube.

 

Sal Randisi

Super Lube/Synco Chemical

800 420 5823 Toll Free

919 542 1755 Office

516 982 5587 Cell

Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: R9SCarry on August 26, 2004, 10:52:13 PM
Pleasant reply Jody - and thx for the info.  I have an Ace not too outa reach and must remember next time over that direction to check it out.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: Mr_Jody_Hudson on September 07, 2004, 09:16:36 PM
My special order of Super-Lube is to arrive tomorrow at ACE.  I have ordered dry spray, wet spray, grease and oil.  

The big difference in Super-Lube is the PTFE that is suspended in the grease or oil or in the sprays.

In addition I spoke to Eric today... the MOBILE One oil to use is the O-30 weight.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: harrydog on October 08, 2004, 08:26:08 AM
What does Eric recommend using, oil or grease? Grease makes sense for a carry gun because it stays put and won't run or drip out onto your clothes. I really like Militec-1 grease.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: DDGator on October 08, 2004, 10:31:05 AM
Both!  Here is it from Eric himself:

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Cleaning;action=display;num=1093084446

Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: harrydog on October 08, 2004, 12:11:44 PM
Thanks!
Is that the grease you're using?
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: doctordun on October 20, 2004, 01:14:07 AM
I posted this elsewhere on this forum with no replies, so I thought I would try here.
I just read on the Superlube site concerning the specs that the Superlube grease has a shelf life of 24 monthes. I have never heard of a grease or oil having a shelf life. Does this have ramifications if you use it at 25 monthes? For those that have this grease, is there an expiration date on the container?
I, also, emailed this question to Super Lube with no reply as of this posting.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: R9SCarry on October 20, 2004, 11:42:16 AM
Doc .. I saw the other post but had nothing to offer really re this shelf life.

What does occur to me is - if the grease is not pure petrochemical ...... maybe including some animal fat - then I could see a shelf life being possible, tho unusual to say least!  The average petrochemical greases we are used to have a near infinite life span, particularly if stored in good conditions.

I will hope you get some response from SuperLube as to the rationale behind that.
Title: Sources of Superlube...
Post by: TW on October 22, 2004, 12:50:48 PM
Quote
I wrote SuperLube and got a nice reply.  It is carried by ACE Hardware Stores!
Here is the nice Email I got from them:

www.Super-Lube.com

Hello and thank you for your interest in Super Lube. We do have some hardware oriented dealers in Delaware however we do not have any gun or firearm dealers in and around that area.

The minimum order for Super Lube is very small…only 24pcs or two cases assorted. If you want to purchase less we can either find you a local Ace hardware or you can purchase Super Lube by the piece directly from our web-site.  

I took the liberty of attaching our dealer pricing in case you wanted to purchase the minimum and get the better price over and above the web-site.

 

Let me know how I can of further assistance and thank you for considering Super lube.

 

Sal Randisi

Super Lube/Synco Chemical

800 420 5823 Toll Free

919 542 1755 Office

516 982 5587 Cell


>>This is to add for sources of Superlube (outside of Deleware) from the makers...


"Hello and thank you for your request. Super Lube is presently being offered to both the industrial and the consumer classification of trade. If this is for your personal use please visit Tru Value or Ace hardware. They should stock most of the Super Lube sizes. You can also try Kmart. If you are unsuccessful you can once again visit our website at www.super-lube.com

And click on the top left on “orders” than click “consumer” than “order on line”. Just three clicks and you will be offered a menu of the various Super Lube items that you can purchase directly. Simply select the item you are seeking and add it to the cart. If you are an industrial end user please reply to me again and we will offer you the name of some national branch accounts presently selling Super lube.

Thank you in advance for your interest and we look forward to working with you."


Sal Randisi
Super Lube/Synco Chemical
800 420 5823 Toll Free
919 542 1755 Office
516 982 5587 Cell
 


Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: R9SCarry on October 22, 2004, 01:00:12 PM
Good info TW and thx.  I have added that to the lube page on the FAQ site.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: doctordun on October 22, 2004, 01:30:03 PM
Best price and free shipping for Super Lube that I've found:
http://www.aaaindustrialsupply.com/
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: R9SCarry on October 22, 2004, 01:39:56 PM
Ahah .. sounds good Doc, thx ..... . have to add that too to FAQ Site (http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/rohrbaugh/)
Title: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: TW on October 22, 2004, 02:09:37 PM
Quote
Best price and free shipping for Super Lube that I've found:
http://www.aaaindustrialsupply.com/

>>That IS a great deal for superlube...!  Now if we could just come up with an easy source of Mobile One Synthetic Oil 0-30...  For some reason the two auto shops I tried don't have it...  I told Eric he sound buy an extra quart or two and sell it in 5oz bottles for $5.  For non-car folks like me it would be worth it.

That all said...in my most RECENT conversation with Eric about lubes he said if you can't find the Superlube grease or Mobile oil - just go ahead and use any quality gun grease and oil on hand, so go figure.  And going back to earlier conversations about this on the forum - folks who chimmed in saying the same thing were right about just using similar lubes of same qualities...but at the same time remember to clean and lube every 50-80 shots and be generous in lubrication, as shown in the pics...because the R9 is a special machine requiring special care...TW<<
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: Mr_Jody_Hudson on October 22, 2004, 06:09:33 PM
Those are excellent prices Doc!
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: doctordun on October 25, 2004, 11:46:43 PM
I just recieved a reply to my question about the listed shelf life of superlube.
It is as follows:

"Thanks for your interest in Super Lube® Grease. I'm pleased to hear that it is recommended by Rohrbaugh for use on their guns.
 
The reason we post a 24 month shelf life on our products, is to prevent a distributor from returning overstocked merchandise for credit. The grease does not go bad. It does not turn rancid, dry out, or degrade in any way. I have used grease from tubes that were filled over ten years ago without problems. The main concern is to prevent contamination from storage in open containers.
 
Super Lube® is available in Ace, Tru Value, Motion Industries, Sid Tool (MSC), and if you still have trouble finding it, try Radio Shack. They carry it under the Archer brand as "Lube Gel" in a 3 oz tube.
 
Thanks again,
 
Bill Reilly
Operations Manager
Synco Chemical Corporation"
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: R9SCarry on October 26, 2004, 12:02:21 AM
Doc - thx for posting that - it does quite simply explain this ''shelf life'' deal, and should alay any concerns regarding the true longevity of the product. I have added that also to the lube page on the site.
Title: octordunRe: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on November 13, 2004, 11:48:46 AM
"Super Lube® is available in Ace, Tru Value, Motion Industries, Sid Tool (MSC), and if you still have trouble finding it, try Radio Shack. They carry it under the Archer brand as "Lube Gel" in a 3 oz tube. " from Doctordun
  ++++++++++++++
A friend found a couple of tubes of this, and brought one by for me, that's a friend !    I opened it, took a look and a smell,  and I like it.!!
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: doctordun on November 13, 2004, 12:50:47 PM
I bought the 14oz tub and use a flux brush to apply. Based on how much it took to do one gun, I figure I have about 2 lifetimes of grease. Since it is food grade and grease, I've found a few more uses around the house. Good Stuff.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: FJC on November 13, 2004, 04:40:37 PM
I recently bought some SuperLube, and as I had run out of TW-25B, decided to use some on my SIG P220ST.

I had read previously that one bad thing about SuperLube is that it doesn't do well in cold weather situations.

Well, as luck would have it I had my P220ST in my gun bag in my trunk, where it sat for a good 8 hours.  When I got to the range, the pistol was quite cold (it was around 42 degrees that day, not terribly cold).

I'll tell you, it was obvious that the SuperLube had thickened - it was measureably harder to retract the slide on my P220ST!  When I let it go to chamber the first round, the slide moved as if it were in slow motion.  It did chamber without assistance.  

The first shot or two I could feel that the slide was cycling slower, but all worked well.  After that, the SuperLube must have warmed up as things were back to normal.  I had no malfunctions, but I'd be seriously concerned about using this grease in cold-weather situations.

Obviously not a concern for most R9's, as they'll be in a nice warm pocket.  This is a concern, though, if you have to leave your pistol in a freezing cold car for any length of time when entering no-carry zones.

I may just shelve the SuperLube until summer.  I've ordered more TW-25B...
Title: , It is make Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on November 13, 2004, 09:04:58 PM
"Super Lube® is available in Ace, Tru Value, Motion Industries, Sid Tool (MSC), and if you still have trouble finding it, try Radio Shack. They carry it under the Archer brand as "Lube Gel" in a 3 oz tube."
Bill Reilly
Operations Manager
Synco Chemical Corporation"
  
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++



 My first experience with Super Lube.
In my junk, I find two 3/8" Drill chucks that where brand new,when I last saw them, but upon looking at them today, they where a mass of rust. So I put them on a drill so I could spin them, and clean them with fine sandpaper. After they where rust free again,  I decided to coat them with Super Lube !! Well, now I under stand why on the tube it said, "Exceptional Adhesion! "   With the drill spinning, I touch the grease to spread it and it nearly wrapped my finger around the chuck.  That stuff is tacky as hell.
I have to agree with FJC in the above post.  I will not use it on my gun..   Just maybe Incursion was on to something.  I will continue with "RIG."  
To clarify, this was with the Radio Shack stuff..
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: doctordun on November 14, 2004, 11:46:43 AM
After reading the last two posts, I double checked the superlube website. It said the operating range for the grease is -45 to 450degrees. Since I had just greased up my R9, I decided an experiment was in order. I placed it in my freezer overnight and brought it down to zero. This morning I removed it from the freezer and manually cycled the complete magazine of ammo thru it and did not notice any difference from when it's 80degs from my pocket. I didn't shoot it, because the range is an hour away and I thought it might raise some eye brows if I remove my gun from an ice chest. I can only surmise that the grease I'm using is different or I don't have it on as thick as the previous poster's. I have the 14oz tub that is depicted in the factory pictures.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on November 14, 2004, 12:07:49 PM
You may be correct, as well as others here.  I will find *Super Lube*, labeled as *such*, and compare.  I have been wrong before.. ;)

......or so my my Wife says.. ::)
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: doctordun on November 15, 2004, 01:19:16 AM
The grease is a lot thicker and less "slick" than oils, because of it's viscosity. I believe that viscosity is what Rohrbaugh is wanting in order for it to remain in place on the rails. I would like our moderator, if he so chooses, to perhaps discuss this thread with the creators of our toys and hopefully bring some light to this discussion.
I tried the "touch something spinning with grease on your finger test"(my dremel) and there was some resistance that you don't get with just oil.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on November 15, 2004, 08:25:11 AM
DoctorDun
Try the test[?] with something of a larger diameter, say 1" .  The drag is strong.. :o
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: Ihue on November 17, 2004, 11:42:39 PM
superlube? I got mine from http://www.aaaindustrialsupply.com/
as suggested in this forum. On the web page one of the first superlubes is the food grade grease. Farther down the page there is a "high temp, High pressure superlube"
"An NLGI #2 Grease With An Extremely High Concentration Of PTFE And A Temperature Range From -30F to +475F. Price shown for 6cc syringe."
This is the one I got. Which one is recommended?
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: doctordun on November 18, 2004, 12:14:18 AM
I don't know. I got the 400gram jar at the top of the page. I'm using it on my R9 and my Glock. Both seem to be working fine. When I cycle the slides, I don't notice any difference from when I used other lubricants.
I know that somewhere out there, we have a lubricant genius, just waiting for the right time to enlighten us with their wisdom.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: Brenden on December 03, 2004, 03:55:30 PM
So-oo,It doesn't matter much which "style" of Superlube is used?? As on the AAA sight I see several but all appear "different"  ::)

Thanks for any clarification on this from any in the know..

I have used Rig as this is what I have on hand but would like to use the "proper" lube..

Thanks again..
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: Brenden on December 11, 2004, 02:48:46 PM
I guess no one else knows for sure either.. :o

Thanks...
Title: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: TW on December 11, 2004, 03:21:23 PM
>>Hi Brenden...

If you look at AAA Industrial Supply website http://www.aaaindustrialsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=25 ...Tel. 888.508.0585
you will see several offerings of Superlube (with free shipping!!!).  Of these...at the bottom of the screen you will see a 3oz syringe of "high temp, extreme" superlube on offer...and according to the description it contains the most PTFE of all products on offer.  This is what I ended up buying - figuring more might be better, or certainly can't be worse.  That said...I don't know that the other Superlube products won't work.  For answer to that question - my advise would be to call Eric...TW<<
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: Brenden on December 11, 2004, 03:27:36 PM
TW,
     Thanks-that is the site that I have looked at and it just gave me too many choices.. :D

Does your's seem to work ok? I will get this to try it out..

Thanks for your response..Much appreciated..

Brenden
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: musician on December 11, 2004, 06:45:19 PM
I know this thread is about lube, but I thought I'd share my method for taking down and reassembling theR9s.  You need only reasonable grip strength for this.

Hold the pistol in your left hand with fingers over the top of the barrel and thumb through the trigger guard (muzzle will be pointing left).  Pull the slide back until the pin hole lines up with the pin.  Squeeze with your left hand, which holds the slide aligned with the pin.  Tap the pin out enough to lock the slide.  Then retract and hold the slide enough to free the pin, which should be able to be removed with your right hand's fingers.  Reassembe in reverse.

Musician
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: Ratzo on December 11, 2004, 08:39:02 PM
Eric stated that you should use compressed air to blow off your gun when cleaning, my question: I use Dust Off compressed-Gas Duster to blow of things on my computer, it says Blasts Dust and Dirt from your computer and everything else. Is it OK to use on Guns, has anyone ever used it for that purpose, Would Eric approve this method?

Sells at Cosco's, (3) 12oz Cans for approx 5.00 Dollars. ???
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: R9SCarry on December 11, 2004, 08:57:58 PM
Musician .. yeah that way works ... I have tried it and it does prove tenable.  I think tho much depends on hand size and strength so - maybe not for everyone.  One method to keep in the ''armory'' for sure.

Ratzo - AFAIK that aerosol is compressed nitrogen ... which is inert and fine to use IMO as a ''blast of air'' method.  I have a compressor in shop and use that to charge a portable 7 gallon receiver, which I then keep in the other side of my office where take downs and cleaning are done.  They are quite cheap (IIRC about $17 from Harbor Freight) ... may even be in WalMart.  Add a bit for some fittings, hose and regulator and it does good.  Mine still has useable pressure in it after many weeks.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: FireBreather01 on December 12, 2004, 01:23:03 AM
Have to concur with R9SCarry (and I like the system he has set up - pretty cool, I might give that one a try myself). A blast of compressed air can work wonders to rid debris from a system. Someone even has a system to use a barrel solvent on a plug and then blast it out with a wicked high pressure shot. I'm not going to try that one as it seems a bit dubious but for general cleaning then GREAT!!!!
Title: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: TW on December 12, 2004, 06:25:11 AM
>>Brenden... My R9 seems to be doing fine with the "High Temp, Extreme" SuperLube...but then I haven't used it alot yet.  I've heard of others here on the forums using other types of SuperLube from off this site and so far no problems mentioned.  Again...I would rather have too much, then not enough (PTFE, whatever) so unless someone can show me differently - I'll stick to what I've got.
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: Ratzo on December 12, 2004, 02:40:02 PM
Hey R9SCarry:

I like your idea of the 7 Gallon Air receiver, small and can be placed away,  use it when needed.

Thanks for a response
Title: Re: Lubrication of the R9
Post by: Brenden on December 12, 2004, 03:00:39 PM
Thanks everyone for the info..
I will buy and try the "high temp" style..

Brenden