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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2009, 10:33:08 PM »
No news on my front but the 45 ammo is in shorter supply
than the 9mm. Some of my friends just don't go to the range
much anymore with their 45s.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2009, 08:04:31 AM »
Bad news made worse. I have high test hollow points for home defense but no "stock" .45 ammo to shoot

This has been one of the coldest, rainiest summers in New England that anyone can recall and it has detracted from outdoor range time. (Global warming?) Just as well considering you can't find ammo to shoot anyway.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2009, 09:37:07 AM »
Several years ago, when 45's were selling for $9.95 for a box of 50, I stocked up and still have plenty left including a box of Black Talons for home defense.  Those were the days!
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2009, 11:03:16 AM »
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Richard's post from gunbroker showed a reasonably priced (used) P220, without picitinny rail, but it was a 9MM. Though rare, I want the .45ACP.



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Two more popped up:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=133515130#PIC

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=133587318
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2009, 01:23:35 PM »
Many thanks, Richard, for sustaining my interest. LOVE the gun absent the picitinny rail. Slap wood grips on the railless P220 and I would carry it anywhere.

However, I am trying to avoid gunbroker. If I can find one in my native state I can avoid all the hassle of mailing funds, transfer to my FFL, et al. (I have already initiated a search for an old P220 in my state).

The k kote P220 is my choice of the two and appears more reasonably priced than the other one. However, according to tracker, there is no .45 ammo available!
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2009, 01:51:10 PM »
ACP:

It certainly is tough to find good .45 ACP these days. However, if you have any interest in the round, Midway USA currently has in stock some Black Hills .45 ACP 200 Grain Match Semi-Wadcutters (Box of 50 for $39.99). Everything is either out or on back order.


http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=836199
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2009, 01:58:14 PM »
I said that .45 ammo is in shorter supply than .9mm,
at least in my area. However, I suspect that the same
relative shortage is widespread. I remember one string
where Richard found a box of .45 Golden Saber that was
supposed to be held back but found its way to the shelf,
and Richard heard a vocal display from the clerk in protest
after it was sold out from under him.

.380 ammo is virtually non-existent; .38 special and .357 is
not very plentiful either.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2009, 04:33:28 PM »
Despite the reality of the ammo shortage I feel as though I am being played if I clamor for ammunition, particularly at these prices.

This may not be going away soon but I would rather shoot less, much the same as I am spending less in this down economy.

How about this doomsday scenario: Ammo as currency!
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2009, 06:07:36 PM »
I'm in full accord with your first two statements and sincerely
hope that we don't approach anything like ammo for barter or
currency.

Supply and demand has to seek an equilibrium at  some point
on the ammo issue if we all cut back as you are doing. It has
been my limited observation that there is a reduction of ammo
usage on the civilian front. Increased government control and/or
military demand is the wild card and are the partial drivers of this
madness, or, at least, the perception of it.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2009, 07:09:57 PM »
I did find a box of 50 Winchester 9mm 115 gn. jacketed hollowpoints white box today at our local gun shop; not cheap.  

The clerk at our local Walmart told me that people know when they get their deliveries and come in early and buy all they have.  
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2009, 07:59:14 PM »
Tracker's comments are "spot on" as they relate to market forces. Gun owners, gobbling up ammo as it arrives at wal mart, is not unlike oil speculation which drives up prices.

I do not imagine you can gauge this metric but I wonder how much of this "shortage" is real vs. driven by gun owner's behavior?

Aren't we getting out of Iraq? Shouldn't military useage be diminishing?
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2009, 08:58:22 PM »
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I'm in full accord with your first two statements and sincerely
hope that we don't approach anything like ammo for barter or
currency.

Supply and demand has to seek an equilibrium at  some point
on the ammo issue if we all cut back as you are doing. It has
been my limited observation that there is a reduction of ammo
usage on the civilian front. Increased government control and/or
military demand is the wild card and are the partial drivers of this
madness, or, at least, the perception of it.

I think the perceiving factor is the real thing. The thoughts of increased government control is scaring alot of gun owners into hording much more ammo then they normally would.  

Our local gun shop had several boxes of 124 gn Gold Dots on his shelf today.  They are still there.  I didn't need them.  

 

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2009, 09:39:35 PM »
Psychology makes the world turn; the fear, hope, and greed
curve is at work in all markets.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2009, 10:01:02 PM »
That is very true.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2009, 03:32:24 PM »
Absolutely agree.
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