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Title: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 09, 2010, 04:58:58 PM
Does anyone here know anything about a Broomhandle Mauser? I have been asked to assess an estate collection of guns which includes a Broomhandle Mauser with the original wooden shoulder stock/holster.

Gun is very clean and desirable. However, I cannot get the bolt to retract which somehow seems "frozen". What am I missing? I have never owned or fired one of these things so I don't know.

I haven't done my homework yet on the internet and thought one of you may be able to advise me.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 09, 2010, 05:10:29 PM
Howdy ACP, I haven't handled mine in about 30 years, but the first thing that comes to mind since it is a box mag, is that you have to make it think that there is a round in it, thus carefully press down on on mag plate with finger/thumb while holding the bolt back with opposite hand and gently easing forward.

Without one in hand, that's all I have, but I'm pretty sure that will do it.

Good Luck

Reinz
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 09, 2010, 05:13:13 PM
And oh yea, no duh, be sure the safety lever on the left is in the "down" position, which is "fire" .

Good Luck

Reinz
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 09, 2010, 07:21:25 PM
Reinz:

Thank you for your response. The gun is in the possession of the seller but I will give your suggestion a try.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 09, 2010, 07:47:23 PM
I hope the seller is a "gun person" and understands totally what you meant.
I thought more about it and I'm 90% sure that is the fix.


Reinz
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 09, 2010, 08:13:34 PM
Negative. Seller is the widow of the owner and does not know a lot about guns. She has been burnt by cherry picking dealers in the past and she came to me for appraisal.

I have the "Standard Catalog(s)" for gun prices and have made the point that these are estimates and that market prices are soft due to the economy. She is getting honesty without compensating me and understands that my reward is just handling the guns.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: tracker on July 09, 2010, 08:34:19 PM

Some of these as you describe are very scarce and collectible. Maybe this link could help start.


http://www.1896mauser.com/

Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 09, 2010, 09:42:51 PM
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Negative. Seller is the widow of the owner and does not know a lot about guns. She has been burnt by cherry picking dealers in the past and she came to me for appraisal.

I have the "Standard Catalog(s)" for gun prices and have made the point that these are estimates and that market prices are soft due to the economy. She is getting honesty without compensating me and understands that my reward is just handling the guns.


ACP - I have done the same for people in the past as a favor.
Freind of a freind kind of thing.

I remember one time telling the daughter of a deceased, do not sell this Series 70 for less than $400. ( I know, sounds crazy, that was 25 yrs ago).  Man I wanted that gun!  She said she was not going to sell  for a long time, just wanted values for now.
Well I saw her a few months later and she sold it of course, and for $250!
She said a "freind of her Dad's said it had a broken firing pin and it was only worth $250.
Boy was I steaming.    Not for myself, but one I told her It was good to go and not to let it go for less than four and second, it is my pet peeve how the "brotherhood" of good ol' gun buddies can just monetarily rape widows when their buddies die.
I make it a point to offer FMV to widows or family members of deceased that I know or know of.

rant mode off


Reinz









Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 10, 2010, 08:22:13 AM
tracker: Thank you for posting that link which I enjoyed

Reinz: You make a good point. She told me she has sold some good guns for about $500. While I did not see them, I can imagine that they may have been worth thousands and you have already made the point as to predator dealers.

However, I would also like to advance the incredible stupidity of another gun guy and that person is me. Over the years I have had some great guns and have subsequently sold them for profit. Case in point; a 1960 Colt 1911, .38 Super, mint condition in orginal box. Hey, I made 50% profit! Great, right? Uh uh. I bought it years ago for $500 and sold it for $750.

My name is Phil and I am a gun addict. I buy great guns and sell them from time to time. Then, years later, I realize, (too late), what an idiot I am.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 10, 2010, 07:52:20 PM
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My name is Phil and I am a gun addict. I buy great guns and sell them from time to time. Then, years later, I realize, (too late), what an idiot I am.

I guess we were twins separated at birth!

Reinz
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 10, 2010, 09:39:26 PM
Yeah; and Mom always liked you best.

Actually, that story is mitigated by the fact that I lost a good job in the mid 1990's. I was an aerospace employee and was "downsized" (I hate that term) along with another 2 million aerospace employees.

In order to meet financial obligations I had to sell guns and, unfortunately, if you want to make money you have to sell the good ones.

I also sold my ASP (no comments please as this is actually a highly customized M39 S&W) and a lot of other guns.

 My story is a sad old song: Were it not for the reversal of fortune, I could have kept some great guns that would be worth a small fortune today, even with the present market, softened due to the poor economy.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Richard S on July 11, 2010, 05:46:14 PM
Guns I wish I had never sold . . . every da**ed gun I ever sold, particularly one Uzi carbine chambered for .45 ACP --ugly as homemade sin but as reliable as the phases of the moon. We all make mistakes. And don't ask me about automobiles I never should have sold. I'm too old to cry, but it hurts too much to laugh.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: tracker on July 11, 2010, 06:24:17 PM
Was that a Sunbeam Alpine or a TR4 you owned in school?
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 11, 2010, 07:08:40 PM
You can keep the Alpine but I love the TR4. I was following one, (completely restored), a few weeks ago. Top down with a middle aged couple loving their ride and trying not to slide on all the drool from folks like me.

Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 11, 2010, 07:21:19 PM
Update for the broomhandle: this is out of sequence but I wanted to thank tracker again.

The string he gave me has a feature for "dummies"; you just follow the details and it tells you what you have. In my case, it is an "Early Model 1930" broomhandle with non detachable magazine in 7.63mm Mauser cartridge.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: tracker on July 11, 2010, 07:31:51 PM

You are welcome. I am glad it worked well for you.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Richard S on July 11, 2010, 07:40:38 PM
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Was that a Sunbeam Alpine or a TR4 you owned in school?

It was a 1954 TR2 in College:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/triumphtr21954003.jpg)

and a 1964 Alpine GT in Germany (all I could afford on an Army Captain's pay):

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/sunbeamalpinegranturismoseriesiii19.jpg)

I had ordered a TR4, but it was dropped from the truck on delivery in Stuttgart. The dealer had the Alpine on the floor, so I took it instead.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 11, 2010, 09:36:13 PM
Ouch, dropping a TR4 from the truck would have made me cry. I settled for a Karmann Ghia in college with a KPH gage; direct from Germany.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Richard S on July 11, 2010, 10:05:24 PM
The Karmann Ghias were superb little automobiles -- a combination Italian design and German engineering.

As for the Alpine, it wasn't as quick as the TRs but it proved to be a great "Fräulein Magnet."
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: tracker on July 11, 2010, 10:13:13 PM

Great shots and great stuff. Why are you the only one in your group wearing a tie?
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 11, 2010, 10:14:48 PM
I was wondering the same thing!
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Richard S on July 12, 2010, 07:32:18 AM
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Great shots and great stuff. Why are you the only one in your group wearing a tie?

I worked for a U. S. Senator during the day and attended classes at night. My two nere-do-well fraternity brothers shown in the photograph came from "richer stock."  ;)
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 09:01:03 AM
Well, that explains it.    ;)  Not that it needed explaining.    ;D
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 12, 2010, 09:48:18 AM
The Karmann Ghia I had was two tone; a powder blue body with a navy blue hard top. Standard transmission (of course), great mileage but not a chick magnet.

The greatest chick magnet I ever drove was owned by a wealthy childhood friend who had moved to Arizona. This was in the late 1970's and he let me drive it which I did right to the campus of Arizona State. Talk about beautiful women. Sadly, I could not claim the vehicle as my own.

It was a 1966 Shelby Cobra 427; 500 horsepower, no frills, all business, 110% testosterone
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Richard S on July 12, 2010, 10:22:46 AM
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* * *
It was a 1966 Shelby Cobra 427; 500 horsepower, no frills, all business, 110% testosterone

Whoa!  :o

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/ShelbyCobra427.jpg)
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 10:25:54 AM
And a double WOW!  WOW!
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 12, 2010, 01:31:52 PM
Yeah; it is a good story and I am grateful I got to drive it. Time and distance have taken their toll and I have lost track of my friend but I remember that he paid $25,000 for it. Value today? Uh, much more.

Earlier in this string I mentioned how I sold some great guns because I was forced to do so when I lost my aerospace job in the mid 1990's. That was a watershed moment as it taught me a great life lesson.

I was "gun poor" and had amassed a lot of credit card debt as I traveled constantly and was living lavishly. When I lost my job I destroyed my credit cards, paid them off and made a commitment, to this day, to live DEBT FREE.

Money is neither the root of all evil nor the proper means to keep score, in my view. I am glad that Shelby Cobras exist but I do not believe I have "failed" if I never own one.

I could not make a similar claim if I never got to own an R9. That, as I would hope many of you would agree, is true failure.



Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 01:42:38 PM
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Yeah; and Mom always liked you best.

Actually, that story is mitigated by the fact that I lost a good job in the mid 1990's. I was an aerospace employee and was "downsized" (I hate that term) along with another 2 million aerospace employees.

In order to meet financial obligations I had to sell guns and, unfortunately, if you want to make money you have to sell the good ones.

I also sold my ASP (no comments please as this is actually a highly customized M39 S&W) and a lot of other guns.

 My story is a sad old song: Were it not for the reversal of fortune, I could have kept some great guns that would be worth a small fortune today, even with the present market, softened due to the poor economy.


ACP - boy am I behind  

MOM liked me best- LMAO ;D ;D

I gues the alignment of the planets with our signs affected me as well in the nineties, for I got downsized as well and had to sell off some things....

but an ASP!!!    Oh that hurts, man that really stings ( no pun intended).


Reinz
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 01:48:01 PM
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Guns I wish I had never sold . . . every da**ed gun I ever sold, particularly one Uzi carbine chambered for .45 ACP --ugly as homemade sin but as reliable as the phases of the moon. We all make mistakes. And don't ask me about automobiles I never should have sold. I'm too old to cry, but it hurts too much to laugh.


Richard - I hurt for you on that one buddy.  I have a 9mm Uzi and it is solid and reliable.
I would love to have a 45, If so, It would be hard to let go.


Reinz
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 01:57:45 PM
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Whoa!  :o

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/ShelbyCobra427.jpg)


ACP - that is my absolue DREAM CAR!

Back in the 70's when I used to live and breathe street racing, at the time I was racing a '47 Willys Jeep with a Chevy 327 in it.  Everything else was stock, thus it was only quick from 0-70 because it topped out at 70.

Well one night around 1976 maybe, I'm in Denton,TX on University Blvd which was the main drag.  Up beside pulls up this Shelby Cobra.  I had no idea what it was.  We punched it and off it went like a ROCKET!   And it was like I stood on the brakes!  
I didn't have a prayer.
I never found out what that car was until about 10 years later and boy did I feel like an Idiot.
I've wanted one ever since and everytime I see one my heart jumps out of my skin.


Reinz
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Richard S on July 12, 2010, 02:33:37 PM
Reinz:

The video at the bottom of this link should increase your pulse rate a bit. It certainly did mine.   8)

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1966-shelby-cobra-427-super-snake.htm
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 02:49:56 PM
Thanks Richard, I enjoyed that info and video!

I remember Bill Cosby's skit where he said " wait till the kids in the Chevys get a load of these piiiiiiipes! "

That was an interesting vignet how he had one and took it back.

Thanks again

Reinz
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 02:59:10 PM
Just thought of a Cobra/Carroll Shelby story you all might find interesting.
In the mid-eighties I think it was, a guy walked into the boat dealership I was running to buy some special wax that was hard to find.  After talking a while it turned out he was the caretaker of Carroll Shelby's personal Auto collection.

He told me that there was a warehouse/barn in Mckinney, TX with one model of every car that Carroll Shelby made and/or had his name on it.  
And his job was to start the cars up and run them once a month and drive them so often.  There were so many cars that it was a full time job for him.

Talk about the ultimate Dream Job!

I have since heard that the warehouse site has moved.  If that is true or not I do not know.


Reinz
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: tracker on July 12, 2010, 03:03:45 PM

I am from McKinney and still have a lot of ties there. That is probably true because I know Shelby owned some property just north of town but can't confirm the presence of those cars.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
The guy told me he did not "drive them around".  Just drove the cars 1/10- 1/4 mi  to keep the tires in shape and keep shift the grease and such.
Since the cars are obviously collectibles, they did not want to put miles on them, but did not want them to rot either.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Richard S on July 12, 2010, 03:19:50 PM
More. Watch for the 427.   8)

http://www.carrollshelby.com/welcome.html
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 03:31:55 PM
Cool site, I added to "favorites".

Thanks Richard
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 12, 2010, 04:39:27 PM
Reinz:

Back in '76 in Denton, TX? That was me in that Cobra. I took off from Scottsdale, shifted into second gear, New Mexico whipped by when I was in third gear and I ended up next to you in Texas. Small world.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 06:47:48 PM
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Reinz:

Back in '76 in Denton, TX? That was me in that Cobra. I took off from Scottsdale, shifted into second gear, New Mexico whipped by when I was in third gear and I ended up next to you in Texas. Small world.


Man, I believe it!

I thought I knew and saw it all until that thing took off.  It was like a mini- funny car.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 12, 2010, 08:52:15 PM
Couldn't resist myself as it was, in fact, 1976 when I was in Arizona with the Cobra.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 13, 2010, 02:21:19 PM
Man I could use a rush right now, in the driver's seat of a Cobra!
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 13, 2010, 06:17:28 PM
1976 was a long time ago. Therefore, is my recollection of having driven the Cobra credibile, or is it a case of applying the obvious to faded memory?

Correct answer is "who cares?" Two things I distinctly recall is that Shelby Cobra had the heaviest clutch I had ever experienced and acceleration was measured in gforce.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 15, 2010, 11:17:37 AM
Having such a heavy clutch I would assume you were driving a big block?

Must have to handle so many horses.


Ahhhh , gforce - the RUSH!
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 15, 2010, 11:27:37 AM
If, by "big block", you mean the 427 engine (vs. 289), the answer is Yes.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 15, 2010, 02:11:50 PM
OOOOHH  YEEEAAAHHHH!!!!! :D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 15, 2010, 03:23:39 PM
Reinz:

I read the fine print on your blog and, if true, you also own an "oh yeah!"

What is meant is the Bren Ten. I, too, like the unconventional but I have never owned, (or seen for sale), a Bren Ten. I have owned a 10mm and that round is the "Cobra" of pistol cartidges.

(Yes, I know; .454 Casull, 460 & 500 S&W Magnum...But still).
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 15, 2010, 03:44:03 PM
Yep!  How well we know those!  except the 460; went for the 500.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 15, 2010, 05:35:43 PM
A pistol is distingusihed from a revolver in the context of my reference to the 10mm cartridge.

I have read the posts about the monster revolver cartridges and I must admit that they have a lot of appeal.

I have fired the .454 Casull but not the two S&W cartridges. You could really get crazy with big bore cartridges besides those mentioned.....475 & .500 Linebaugh; you know the rest.

For myself, .45ACP is the cartridge, although a hand cannon would certainly come in handy if a moose or grizzly bear came knocking at my door.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 15, 2010, 07:44:54 PM
ACP - this will make you sick, I have 6 or 7 Bren Tens.  One of them is a Factory 45, called the Marksman.
I got hooked on them after the company went belly up in the 80's.  
It is the Rorhbaugh of all the 10mm pistols made.  Each basically hand fitted- but due to factory flaws.  But still the best shooting one out there except maybe a new modern longslide by nighthawk, I don't know without trying.

I have other tens as well, auto and revolver, but the Brens rule! ;D
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 15, 2010, 07:54:13 PM
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Yep!  How well we know those!  except the 460; went for the 500.

I'm glad the 460 , 500  wasn't around when I was shooting the 44 Auto Mag, 45 Win Mag Wildey and 475 Wildey.

Since then I have developed severe nerve damage from the tips of fingers to tops of my shoulders.  All from too my magnum handgun shooting.  
Also developed carpel tunnel in each wrist as well. (I thought I would go blind first)
So had to give up big bore shooting about 15 years ago and it just kills this gun addict not being able to buy a 454 Alaskan, a .460. .500. etc.  
For I love big bores! :D
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 15, 2010, 07:58:20 PM
Yep!  You're really missing something.  Sorry you have that problem.  I can see where that would limit stuff like the .500.  However, there's plenty of other out there.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 15, 2010, 08:10:05 PM
I manage to keep myself busy.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 15, 2010, 08:26:49 PM
Reinz

I'm here to help. Why don't you make yourself busy by sending me one of those Bren Tens? Having one is great. Two is too many. 4 or 5 is showing off.

Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: tracker on July 15, 2010, 08:28:32 PM

He said you could have one without a magazine.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 15, 2010, 08:29:56 PM
I guess I'm the "ccoorreey" of the Bren 10s  ;D
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 15, 2010, 08:32:06 PM
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He said you could have one without a magazine.


Ah Tracker, you must remember the Bren 10 days!  

All those folks receiving guns with no mags,
  
Touche'   :D
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: tracker on July 15, 2010, 08:37:31 PM
Indeed, what a bummer; talk about anticlimactic--that must have been the worst.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 15, 2010, 08:38:31 PM
Thanks for clarification guys. I didn't get tracker's cleverness until I read the bit about shipping without magazines.

No wonder Dornaus & Dixon went out of business.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 15, 2010, 08:52:07 PM
That was a big part of it.  

The mag supplier really screwed them over with delays and  mags out of spec.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: tracker on July 15, 2010, 09:18:36 PM

Maybe they were Mussolini heirs extracting payback for WWII.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ccoorreeyy on July 15, 2010, 09:24:02 PM
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I guess I'm the "ccoorreey" of the Bren 10s  ;D


 ;D
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 15, 2010, 09:29:04 PM
My dream is to become the "ccoorreeyy" of the R45. But; oh, never mind.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 16, 2010, 09:55:41 AM
Ahh, yes; the R45.  It's coming.  We just know not when.  
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 16, 2010, 03:39:13 PM
When our Administrator advised us "maybe" Shot Show 2011, for the R45, I lost faith of ever seeing one.

 I wish the factory well but I will become a believer when the R45 rises above the level of myth.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 16, 2010, 03:41:12 PM
Phil.  Time flies, you know.  2011 will be here in a heart beat, so to speak.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 16, 2010, 04:11:30 PM
I have faith the R45 will be worth the wait.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 16, 2010, 04:13:47 PM
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Maybe they were Mussolini heirs extracting payback for WWII.


Yeah they got 'em good.

Who knew those  "I" talians would be the premeir mag suppliers now.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 16, 2010, 06:30:52 PM
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I have faith the R45 will be worth the wait.

The R45 will be a jewel, for sure; and you are right, certainly worth waiting on.    :)


Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 16, 2010, 07:02:12 PM
Hey ACP - looky here, not an ASP, but close - a DEVEL---

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=179289843

Gotta pretty hefty "buy now" price


Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 16, 2010, 07:48:31 PM
Reinz:

This is my moment of revenge for all those Bren Tens you have!

The Devel on gunbroker is the base model. I own a Full House Devel, S/N 267. Original box, micarta see-thru grips, excellent condition, factory catalog and letter, dated 12/23/91, from Charles Kelsey to the original owner.

It is an archive/investment which I do not shoot.

I hear you guys on the R45. It makes no sense to grumble on the wait but that is where I am.

Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 16, 2010, 07:51:32 PM
Well, it doen't hurt to vent once in awhile.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 16, 2010, 07:58:42 PM
Awesome dude!

Can you post some pics for us.
  
Gotta Gotta see!

http://www.aperfectworld.org/clipart/cartoons/cartoons08f.gif
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 16, 2010, 08:01:05 PM
Phil doesn't post pictures!  
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: tracker on July 16, 2010, 08:17:18 PM

We all like to see photos but I can see Phil's wisdom. I don't trust the gub'ment, either.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 16, 2010, 08:21:42 PM
He doesn't own a camera!
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: tracker on July 16, 2010, 08:30:47 PM

That may be but even if he did he probably wouldn't post photos. This is a public forum and subject to other eyes.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 16, 2010, 08:35:08 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: birdman on July 16, 2010, 08:57:49 PM
 The guy (Vito) that's has the asp on GB is the same person that has the Elite that Corey posted. Also on GB. He is certainly not bashful about asking some big prices! Oh well more power to him. That Asp is nice, but I don't think it's THAT nice.      Gene
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 16, 2010, 09:42:17 PM
Thank you all for your comments. It is true that I don't have a camera but if I did I wouldn't mind posting pictures.

I am a little confused as concerns regarding the government. Something I am missing here?

 I would not post the price, if asked,  I paid for the Full House Devel. I found the gun on a website of a prominent gun guy,  I threw a Big number at him and he said yes.

I did try to bid on that base Devel, on gunbroker, model but failed as his reserve is too high.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 16, 2010, 09:51:42 PM
OK ACP, my big question, have you shot the Devel?

And the bigger question, does it shoot?, ie, well?

The reason I ask is, while I have never met a gun I didn't like,
I'm afraid to say that I have met a gun (genre) that doesn't like me.
That would be S&W autos(except Sigmas of all things).
I haven't tried the M&P yet.
But those autos from the 80's suck in MY hands.
I can't hit squat with them.

So did Devel improve the hit-ablity along with all the cool bells and whistles?

This inquiring Redneck wants to know. :)
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 16, 2010, 09:55:36 PM
Reinz.  He doesn't shoot the Devel.    ;)  It is a archive/investment!
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 16, 2010, 09:59:47 PM
Yeah but he had one before this one that he had to sell when hard times fell upon him.

I just want to know if they shoot.

It is a Smith afterall.
(souped up)
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: kjtrains on July 16, 2010, 10:03:17 PM
OK.  Well, then!
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 17, 2010, 07:32:41 AM
Yes to the ASP; No to the Devel.

When I shot the ASP I couldn't hit anything; primarily due to confusion with the guttersnipe sight. Devel has excellent sights but I don't shoot it for the reasons given above.

As to Reinz's comment regarding S&W, I agree. My understanding is that Charles Kelsey tried to do a deal with S&W, with the Devel concept,  and they blew him off. S&W then went to their own version of a scaled down Mod 39 with the 1980's "wonder nines", such as Mod 3913.

S&W revolvers are great, whereas their metal frame autos are not. In my view, the best production guns out there are Sigs and Glocks.

Does this mean pride of ownership does not exist for my Devel? Of course not. Custom treatment of both ASP and Devel, apart from their rarity, are both improvements over the stock gun from which they were created.

Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 18, 2010, 12:11:47 PM
I understand totally and agree as well.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 18, 2010, 12:26:51 PM
Reinz,

The best S&W production auto, ever, was the Model 39 with steel frame!

They did not make many of them and you can expect to pay a premium if you find one.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 18, 2010, 12:39:38 PM
I don't believe I ever shot one of those, but I believe you.

I remember this friend of mine had one that he absolutely loved.  Well, when he introduced his wife to shooting, she took it away and then he was looking for another and was willing to pay dearly for one.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 18, 2010, 04:58:12 PM
I had a problem with my wife because she hated guns. For a while, antiques and collectables became a surrogate for gun collecting.

The cure for my wife's hatred of guns was divorce.

As to the steel frame Model 39, I had opportunity to get one but I was selling at the time for the reasons given earlier.

Steel frame guns are what every collector/shooter wants and what manufacturers are loath to produce. Problem, as I understand it, is one of cost and processing.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ccoorreeyy on July 18, 2010, 06:20:47 PM
If anyone is looking to buy a ASP I saw 6 of them for sale a few months back at K5 in Milford CT.   Cool little guns for sure.   They are the only ones I've ever seen in person.  Weird that they had so many.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 18, 2010, 08:20:42 PM
There are two ASPs. The original one and the "ASP 2000" which was dedicated to Theodore Paris. He was to the ASP what Charles Kelsey was to the Devel.

The ASP 2000 is a customized S&W model 3913. However, if you saw 5 original ASPs, that would be very unusual. Thanks for the heads up.

BTW: Where is the ASP on gunbroker? Has it sold or been taken off? When I type "ASP" in the search block I get an error message.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ccoorreeyy on July 18, 2010, 08:54:44 PM
I'm pretty sure they were the orginals.  Worth calling about for sure!
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 18, 2010, 09:38:21 PM
I will follow up on this and thank you again. I went to college near Milford, Ct. (which is where the Seecamp is produced).

Are you a New Englander like myself?
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ccoorreeyy on July 18, 2010, 10:53:51 PM
No, I'm a Georgia boy.  I went up there to visit the Seecamp factory and enjoy the tech session Larry and Art put on.  Robert (Meco holsters) and I went up a few days early and visited lots of gun shops and even went to a huge gun show over in Springfield.  Good luck with K5.  I bought a couple Seecamps from them and they were very nice and shipped quickly.  
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 20, 2010, 06:56:06 AM
That Devel on gunbroker did not sell at $1750.00 and it has been recycled. I went up to $1650.00 and stopped. It is the base model and does not have original box or papers.Too rich for my taste.

gunbroker is a commitment I take seriously so I will keeping my fingers off the bidding window, But I will be curious, if it sells, what it will go for.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 20, 2010, 11:52:36 PM
That's what I call gun control !  ;D
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: ACP on July 21, 2010, 07:29:06 AM
There are no bids on the base model Devel so far. I am not sure about relisting a gun so soon after $1750.00 has failed to make reserve price but that is the owner's call.

Value needs a price and price needs a buyer. These are difficult times and the gun market is no less impacted than the stock market, or any other commodity, during this regime's war on prosperity.
Title: Re: Broomhandle Mauser
Post by: Reinz on July 21, 2010, 04:04:14 PM
How true.