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Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: JoshA on November 28, 2014, 02:43:12 PM
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I am somewhat interested in this cartridge. I like the fact that it has been counted as a very potent handgun round as well as being offered in a small frame handgun. I like it better than the 45 conceptually because you can get more rounds in a small package.
I'm not the biggest double action /single action fan and really like the Glock format.
It seems there is not a single stack .357 out there except for a Sig 239. Is that correct or is anybody else have an answer for this? I've looked into a 357 sig barrel for a shield 40 or other single stack 40's, like a Kahr to no avail.
If Glock would make a single stack 9 then perhaps they will also make a 40 and then someone will pick up on the 357 sig barrel for the 40. It would actually fill two gaps in the market out there. The single stack glock as well as a single stack 357 other than sig.
Any other ideas on how to get to a single stack 357 sig.? Anyone have any experience carrying a 329? I am afraid of the weight quite frankly. And the trigger.
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I think you mean the Sig 239, which is an excellent pistol.
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Also, you can easily convert your G-27 to a .357 Sig caliber with an after market barrel from Storm Lake Barrels, for example. I own several Storm Lake barrels, one for a G-22 and one for a G-26 in the same 9mm caliber and like them very much. Storm Lake makes a specific .357 Sig barrel for your G-27.
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I think you mean the Sig 239, which is an excellent pistol.
I guess I got lisdexic. Sorry ::) You are right. 239. I changed it on the original post. Thanks Tracker.
I have a bunch of German sigs, but have never gotten super confident with the double action single action. I do have the 357 barrel for my Glock 27. It is quite a handful in the little, light polymar gun IMO. Very accurate but it tends to send a shockwave through the body when running a box through. I like the idea of the heavier stainless steel slide and alloy frame of the 239.
I've been eyeing one for a while.
Hmmmmmmmm.
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You can't have it both ways with a .357 Sig and a lightweight concealed carry gun. As has been previously mentioned your hearing will be damaged if you fire a .357 anything without hearing protection.
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It's an interesting piece to me. It would be about the equivalent of toting a officer sized 1911, but a few more rounds and potentially better ballistics.
I do always practice with hearing protection, but realize .357 sig is excessively loud.
It seems to fill a niche that I would like to have in the collection.
Hmmmmmmmm.
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It looks like the big boys in Texas law enforcement like the .45 or the .357 Sig.
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Texas DPS SOG Picks the SIG SAUER 1911 TACOPS
By Dan Zimmerman on October 19, 2012
No, the caps lock isn’t stuck. DPS SOG? That’s Department of Public Safety, Special Operations Group to you and me. And SIG wants you to know that the Texas Rangers won’t be carrying some plastic fantastic on their appointed rounds. Instead, they’ve decided to pack SIG’s big boy tactical 1911. Press release after the jump . . .
EXETER, N.H. (Oct 17, 2012) — SIG SAUER®, a U.S.-based leading manufacturer of law enforcement and military firearms, has been selected by the Texas Department of Public Safety’s (DPS) Special Operations Group (SOG) to provide .45 Auto 1911 TACOPs as the agency’s official sidearm.
The SOG is the tactical unit of the Texas DPS that includes the Texas Ranger Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) Team, the Texas Ranger Reconnaissance Team, and the Special Response Team.
“SIG SAUER has a long history of service with the famed Texas Rangers, and are honored to see it continue,” said Gary Wade, SIG SAUER vice president of law enforcement, government and military sales. “It’s fitting that such a renowned agency has selected what many consider the all-American handgun in the 1911.”
The intensive testing process began when the group sought out a large-caliber handgun capable of making fast and accurate follow-up shots. After intensive endurance and environmental testing was concluded, the SIG SAUER 1911 TACOPs pistol was selected by the Texas Ranger SWAT Team. Since then, DPS SOG has authorized officers the option of carrying either the 1911 TACOPs or their duty issued SIG SAUER P226 DAK in .357SIG.
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Now you have my wheels turning.
I saw this gun on sigs web site a while ago and think it's a really cool concept.
http://www.ammoland.com/2012/01/sig-sauer-tacops-1911-357sig-full-size-pistol/#axzz3KQ22AXZR
Here is a brief article on the 4 varieties they offer in the 1911/.357 sig combo. 2 of them are compact carry models.
Thanks for the article about the Rangers Tracker.
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http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/1911carry-nightmare.aspx
Very cool gun, but it is approx 9 oz heavier than the 239. I have a 511 sig 1911 fastback that doesn't get carried due to weight. Slim enough and I think I could get along with the cocked and locked concept of carrying a 1911 with the help of a training aid to always rest the thumb on the safety when firing a 1911, but that weight is a stopper for me.
If I fall in love with the .357 sig cartridge perhaps I would talk myself into one for a bedside or a car gun.
It is a beauty. And such a neat idea to couple the 1911 with such an innovative, powerful round. I think I will add this to my top 10 reasons NOT to mess with a Ranger ever, ever, ever. Those are some bad dudes. Glad to be on the same side of the law as them : )
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I have always liked he 357 sig and have had conversions for all my Glocks and my 229 Sig also.
In my opinion, the Glock 23 is the best platform for the 357. You have 13 +1 capacity of a very accurate, easy to shoot, and devastating round on a DAO Glock format. Suits me fine.
I also put a 6" BarSto barrel chambered for 9 X25 Dillon in my G20. That makes quite a combination. A 125 gr bullet at 1700+ fps with 15 + 1 capacity.
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I think I will order a conversion barrel for my G23 and I may end up with the 239 as well. I'm just such a sucker for an older German Sig at a fair price even though they are heavy and have "the trigger". Maybe I can carry the single stack model. If not I will entertain the 23 and try the 27 a little more. It was a lot of juice for the little 27 IMO.
An interesting thing about the recoil was that my shots were as accurate or more accurate than running the 9 mm barrel. It's like the shock went out in all directions rather than a muzzle flip from the 40 or a push back like a 45. Quite an interesting little round.
I was also entertaining getting a model 29 and looking at the conversion barrel for the 9 x 25 Dylan. I guess I just figure that the 357 sig is my next logical step to evolve in. I really like .357 sig conceptually. A buddy of mine carries one in a Glock 32 in North Carolina. He has black bear problems around his campsite quite frequently and feels very confident in that round for Black bear. I think he does not load hollow points though. I'm pretty sure he loads it with heavy cast lead or some sort of hardball.
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Several years ago I asked a Texas State Highway Patrolman why they switched from the .40 S&W to the .357 Sig and he told me that the .357 Sig groups were considerably tighter than the .40 S&W. So, you have the desired combination of stopping power and accuracy. The cost of ammo and availability may be a different matter for the average gun toting citizen, however.
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I am thinking that a .40 conversion barrel or Georgia arms will help this guy get enough time behind the trigger so that we don't break the proverbial bank trying to get good with the pistolé.
Also, on ammunition depot I have been buying 50 round boxes of .357 sig in Ranger T and HST for about $35 a box. Not bad IMO. Lawman is also not too bad either.
I also found that 124 gr 9mm Lawman on Lucky gunner for about .25 per round. Stocked up for the R9's, Kimber Solo and whatever else I may want to shoot quality 124 grain out of. I think i was paying about .21 per round for junky 115 gr tulamo. Glad to see availability up and prices down-ish.
Stocking up before prices and availability get iffy again.
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If I fall in love with the .357 sig cartridge perhaps I would talk myself into one for a bedside or a car gun.
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Fire that thing in a car and immediately research hearing aid options!
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If I fall in love with the .357 sig cartridge perhaps I would talk myself into one for a bedside or a car gun.
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Fire that thing in a car and immediately research hearing aid options!
This is a good insight. Thanks backup.
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Ok I've got sig fever again. Had the 224 9mm extreme out today with the R9. Sweet shooter. Working on that DA/SA transition as well as negotiating the extra weight for winter months so when my 239 gets here I will be ready to break it in and slap it in a holster 😁
I found what appears to be a very nice 239 in .357 sig and a .40 barrel made in Germany for $610 shipped.
Looking forward to the slightly heavier gun for the livlier .357 round. Currently only have the G27 with conversion barrel for 357 sig.
Looking at it now I'm wondering if I should have gone with a 224 in 357 sig as the 239 and 224 are virtually the same weight, but the 224 holds a few more rounds. We'll see.
Of course I'll keep anyone interested posted.
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Excellent choice.
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Excellent choice.
👍
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Well I was able to take my new sig 239 in .40 and .357 to the range today.
VERY NICE shooting pistol.
I started with 50 rounds of .40 to just check it out and it shot like new.
Then I ran 85 rounds of .357 sig through it. Very hot round, but the recoil was very tamed by the heavier 239. The last time I ran it through my G27 and it did well and was very accurate, but it also had quite the recoil.
Well I left the range with the thoughts that my favorite G27 may be dethroned. I love the polymar frame for the 9 mm and 40 and even the 45 (G36), but the small frame was quite lively with the 357 sig.
I feel this is an excellent cartridge and that the heavier 239 may be my colder weather gun. I really like the pistol.
One other thing I really like is the mags are very slim so they ride well in the pocket. I don't like Glock mags in the pocket. I don't like a 1911 mag in the pocket. I have several belt mag pouches, but it's too much of a pain for me to deal with. If I'm carrying single stack I want a spare mag in the left front pocket. This one works well for that.
All in all I really like my new purchase. I have added yet another sig to the collection and I just love the quality of it.
I am thinking I will justify heavier CCW to fire a larger round, but my 9mm preference would be a polymar or micro gun since the recoil isn't hateful.
I would post pics but I'm afraid tracker will make fun of me 😁
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Oh no; you did well on this one.
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Oh no; you did well on this one.
Thanks. I will put some pics up but this one is not a looker. It is an all business -black on black model. It doesn't go well with the fiesso boots I normally wear. Lol. Thanks for the input on it prior to purchase. It is a real nice piece.
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Depending on your hand size Sig sells a short trigger that really suits me well. You may want to look at it.
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Depending on your hand size Sig sells a short trigger that really suits me well. You may want to look at it.
That is actually a feature of the sweet shooting 224 extreme that I own. I would like to fit the 239 with the SRT. What is the best way to go about that in your opinion Tracker? Is that a gun smith project?
Thanks for the advice. I think that probably pushed me over the decision making process on this one.
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The SRT is definitely a gun smith project but not a difficult one; just shop around and find one with many references who has a track record.
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The SRT is definitely a gun smith project but not a difficult one; just shop around and find one with many references who has a track record.
👍 thanks Tracker.
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Here is my plane Jane rocket launcher.
I just received 550 rounds of 357 sig to work through this winter.
I really like this sidearm. Now I just need to get more training time on the DA/SA and get used to the weight. I think it will work great as a winter gun, but I imagine the solo, R9 and G27 will be back at it again in summer.
My next range time I will stack it side by side with my G33 (really just a 27 with the LW .357 sig conversion barrel) and see how much the DA trigger pull complicates things.
Anyway, here is the plane Jane pic before I get my new extreme piranha grips. Then, I can wear my wide brim, dogg pound shades and my Fiesso boots. Lol.
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There is nothing wrong with plain Jane when she breathes nothing but fire.
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Lol! Very true sir, very true.
Speaking of which, I am reading up on the double tap and perhaps gold dot or HST (can't remember) and they are saying that their muzzle flash is almost nonexistent for this round. I found that pretty impressive since I know that FLASH and the BANG are the 2 biggest critisisms of the .357 sig round that I have read (now that ammo is available for the price of .45 again)
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With your firearm and ammunition inventory I think you can hold off the first wave without resupply.
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JoshA: I just read on one of the forums that the metal used in your Sig is a hybrid metal that was obtained from the Roswell crash...interesting.
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Haha. Nanu nanu. I had to google that to even know what Roswell was. Yer killin me cargaritaville.
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New grips look good to me, but I'm not sure 'ol tracker will approve. Not really the classic look. I'll post the pics anyway. They are the Hogue G10 like sig puts on their extreme pistols. Now all I need is the SRT you recomended Tracker and I will have my own extreme Sig 239 in .357 Sig- it's definately a rocket launcher. Kinda fun to shoot actually.
The G10 surface is a definite advantage for gripping.
The moe special finger extension fits, works and looks good on the R9 IMO for what it's worth; however I'm not a fan of the looks of the extension on the solo, but it makes it much nice to shoot as well.
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Whatever floats your boat or engages your drill bit. Those after market grips remind me of Jo Ghost Italian loafers.
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Yeah everybody has their own tastes I guess. Mine tends to be a bit odd I guess, but somebody had to buy those grips!
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Somebody has to buy Jo GHOST also:
http://www.dellamoda.com/Jo-Ghost-Shoes-Mens-Copper-Distressed-Leather-Loafers-JG1510.html
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You did it again! Jo Ghost!?! Where do you get this stuff? Haha. Whatever whatever. You're a funny man Tracker.
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Josh
Where did the extension for the Solo come from?
Which pistol has better accuracy for you in rapid fire, the R9 or the Solo?
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Josh
Where did the extension for the Solo come from?
Which pistol has better accuracy for you in rapid fire, the R9 or the Solo?
Amazon for the solo extension.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_3_12?k=kimber+solo+magazine+extension&sprefix=kimber+solo+
As for rapid fire I would say the 239 MRC. Haha. But between the solo and the R9 for rapid fire, I would prefer the solo. It wins in about every category except pocketability and collectability for me. I usually carry mine IWB though. R9 for pocket carry.
That's not really a knock on the R9 as much as it is a compliment to the solo. The solo is slightly larger, thicker and heavier too. It is a work of micro pistol genius IMO. They both are.
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I carried my R9 for about 6 months before I got the Solo. Once I knew the Solo was going to perform, I guess I conducted "range trials" on the four small 9mm's that I had. I really did not realize how hard it was for me to get all 7 rounds off with speed and accuracy with the R9. The first 3 to 5 rounds were fine, but then I started losing my grip. It is just a physical problem I have I guess, but I feel much better with the Solo in my pocket.
Sig's are great guns. The 239 is in a different class though from the R9 and Solo. I have a 229 in 40 and 357 and it is in my car a lot.
The R9 is really in a class by its self. I really do not think a Corporate Gun Maker like Remington will ever put one like it on the market. Rohrbaugh was a "Boutique Type" gun builder and really pushed the design awfully close to the limits.
JMO
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I was just thinking the same thing today about Remington and their alleged R9. It is not likely to replicate the Rohrbaugh. The Seecamps, on the other hand, look to be in good company for the continuation of the known Seecamp quality.
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And so goes another great American product down the corporate tubes.
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I was just thinking the same thing today about Remington and their alleged R9. It is not likely to replicate the Rohrbaugh. The Seecamps, on the other hand, look to be in good company for the continuation of the known Seecamp quality.
The new company is taking it slow and easy to start. They have not shipped any of the Southwick pistols yet. They are meeting with Larry Seecamp in the next few days to test and go over what they have made and prepare to ship. A very good plan I think.
The one problem is that the LWS32 was designed back in the mid 80's around the Winchester Silvertips, the only self defense type 32 ACP ammo made then. Although the 32 ST's are still made, they have not been the same round for close to 20 years now. They like, all ammo, evolved with new technology.
The LWS32 needs to be upgraded to utilize "today's" ammunition. I have had LWS32's, a Beretta Tomcat, and a P32 Keltec. The Seecamp is by far the fussiest about ammo.
I am waiting to see what the Whalley's will do.
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Ammo and the Seecamp
The only bearable ammo today is the Speer Gold Dots. The old Win Silvertips had a smaller bullet, a thicker case, and an aluminum coated bullet. Most custom gun makers (Bill Wilson) have developed custom ammo. 99% of any gun is dependability.
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Well i ran another 100 rounds of 357 sig through the 239 with the new and improved G10 grips. Wow. Nice grips. I really like the 239. I still stagger and stumble a bit on the more complex trigger system, but it's coming along. Not a deal breaker. It's a nice winter sized gun for me. And very accurate.
Notice on the one photo how and where the G10 prints the palm. It really grabbed just right and in the perfect part of the Palm IMO.
Also, after noticing Richards post on the precision cartridge I thought I would give a shout out for Double Tap. I'm sure most of you guys are familiar with it but I was impressed to see 1400 FPS out of a 3.5" barrel and I like the fact that they use bonded Gold Dot bullets.
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Ran 200 more through this little gem between Sunday and Monday. It's a great pistol for winter carry for me.
Really enjoying it.
For anyone that's interested in .357 sig the Georgia Arms is about as good of a deal as can be found at $165 for 500 rounds.
Their 9mm etc isn't a great deal, but the 357 sig is considerably under market value IMO.
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More great Tracker concepts coming to life (like the FrankenGlock)
Well I finally picked up the SRT for my 239 in .357 sig.
I haven't installed it yet but hopefully that will be coming really soon.
Also, went to Georgia Arms (another Tracker idea) and picked up 500 rounds of ammo to work through this spring.
I should be working on some pretty good carpal tunnel after loading and firing all of those rounds in addition to the FrankenGlock.
Do any of you reloaders know if the already once fired brass from Georgia arms is still worthy of being reloaded again?
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Even a high pressure load like the 357 Sig should be good for 4 or 5 loads. The pressure goes up with each loading as the brass work hardens.
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Even a high pressure load like the 357 Sig should be good for 4 or 5 loads. The pressure goes up with each loading as the brass work hardens.
Great. Thanks MRC.
Good info. Fat boy here will bend over and pick it up then : )