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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: ArnelO on August 24, 2005, 01:12:14 AM
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Hi all,
I am new here and wanted to say hello and also ask for your opinion. I live in Florida and usually wear dress slacks for work and jeans or shorts on the weekends. I need an extremely concealable gun and the R9s looks like it could be perfect. I'm heading to a gun show this weekend in Miami and plan to sell some guns to get the $900 or so to hopefully pick up an R9s also at the show.
Which of the guns below would you choose to sell and why? (I'm leaning toward selling the Glocks but probably won't get enough for them to afford the R9s)
Here's the list:
S&W 340pd - slightly sticks out of dress slacks pocket and has a serious kick shooting 357s
HK P7 (european mag release) - too heavy for pocket carry but what a great gun!
Glock 27 - too bulky for pocket carry
Glock 23 - definitly way too big for pocket carry
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
Thanks,
Arnel
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Keep the P7 (they're not making any more) and sell the others.
BTW my R9s does quite well in business casual attire pocket carry here in NW Florida...
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>>I agree with Fly...only I think you should give me a steal of a deal on that S&W, see...
And welcome to the forum...!...TW<<
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ArnelO:
Welcome to the Forum.
I agree with Fly and TW. (Besides, if TW wants that S&W enough, you might turn a real profit. ;) )
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Thanks for the welcome :)
Currentyl, I carry the 340pd in a custom leather ankle rig. I've had it for about a year and love how light it is. I usually forget that it's even there... unfortunately, it looks a little funny while wearing shorts :P
TW, let me know if you're serious, and we can work something out...
I do like my G27 a lot since I'm able to shoot pretty well with it am qualified to carry through my office. The wife likes the G23 but she doesn't shoot that much so I don't think she'll miss it ;)
I probably will keep the P7 since I love the unique design.
From what I hear, the R9s is a little picky with ammo. I usually use Pro-load, which hopefully should be fine. Will using higher power rounds be ok? Many of the cops I work with tell me to stay above 9mm.
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Welcome to the forum, ArnelO.
The one special restriction is that +P is not permitted.
Bill
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Arelno, Welcome to the forum. I also think its wise to keep the P7 and sell the rest. Later, if you want one of those again you can just go out and buy it. I use Gold Dot 124 gr, no problems. Tom
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Thanks everyone.
Your advice makes a lot of sense. All of the other guns are still currently being produced so it won't be difficult to buy them again later on.
Another question I have is if you think it's worth it to wait and see what the new Rohrbaughs will be... maybe another R9 that can handle +P ;D I'm not really in a rush and am concerned about carrying standard 9mm instead of the .357 rounds. I'd hate to get the R9 if something better is released somewhat soon.
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I'm betting that the new Rohrbaugh(s) will be in a different caliber than 9mm -- possibly .380 ACP, or .45 ACP or GAP. I would recommend that you go ahead and order one of the R9s.
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Arleno, On another thread, the difference in 9mm ammo and 9mm +P is only about 50fps out of a 2" bbl. So why go to +P? It is not the end all to end all. A bad guy is not going to know the difference between the 9mm and the +P. Any new Rohrbaugh models are going to be down the road a bit. The R bros may show new models at the SHOT SHOW in Feb 2006. The shipment of new models will happen some time after that, perhaps months. I would just get a R9s now, put it in your pocket, feel safe and go about your business. Tom
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I guess the consensus is sell everything except the P7 and buy the R9 now... hopefully, I can find one at the gun show to see and feel ;D It's a shame that I can't rent one to shoot first!
My major concern is stepping down from the .40 and .357 to a regular 9mm and also that the R9 is a little picky with ammunition. My Glocks and 340PD are extremely reliable. I hope I'll be able to say the same about the R9.
Thanks again for everyone's advice :)
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I guess the consensus is sell everything except the P7 and buy the R9 now... hopefully, I can find one at the gun show to see and feel ;D It's a shame that I can't rent one to shoot first!
My major concern is stepping down from the .40 and .357 to a regular 9mm and also that the R9 is a little picky with ammunition. My Glocks and 340PD are extremely reliable. I hope I'll be able to say the same about the R9.
Thanks again for everyone's advice :)
>>ArnelO...
Where do you live...? I ask because on more than one occasion we have been able to hook up folks, like yourself wanting to see and try an R9, with R9 owners from this board. I live in Northern Virginia, and my main shooting range is about 45 minutes away in Maryland...and you are certainly welcome to try out my R9(s) if you like...TW<<
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arnelO - late to the thread - but welcome to you:)
The others have said all that needs said really. I would tho suggest some browsing thru this site and if of interest - take a peek at my FAQ mini site (link in my sig).
Once you have read up more info then I think you'll be better placed to make decisions - I do know that selling off guns is always traumatic, even if for good purpose. I need to ''thin my herd'' a bit if truth know - partly cos I want a Smith 460!!
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TW, I appreciate the offer... that's very kind of you. I'm down in Miami, Florida so it's just a little far :(
R9SCarry, I'll definitely take a look at your FAQ mini site. I've been feverishly reading through the site and am learning a ton of information! It definitely is traumatic selling almost all my guns but I also know that I need to have a good, reliable gun with me at all times, which is why I am really interested in the R9s.
Thank you all for your warm welcomes and for taking the time to help this poor newbie... you guys are great ;D
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I would sell the Glunks and keep the P7 and 340pd if it's a pre-lock model.
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R9SCarry, that's an awesome FAQ site!!
PsychoSword, unfortunately, the 340pd has the lock.
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I know I'll regret asking this, but how much do you want for the G27?
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Hey Jarcher,
I'd like to get $350 obo for each of the Glocks and $450 obo on the S&W 340pd or use them to trade for a R9s ;D BTW, the G23 comes with 3 10-rd mags. I also have holsters that I can throw in.
I haven't put them up for sale yet because I was hoping to pick up the R9s this past weekend to have a carry piece but unfortunately, our weather didn't cooperate :'(
Let me know if you're interested. Thanks!
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The 340PD is over $600.00 now.I think like $650, and that's a good deal.
However, my good friend who owns, and shot both the R9, and 340PD said that firing the R9 is much more comfortable.
I just hope that you get good return on the 340, don't give these great guns you have away just to get an R9.
I'd sell one of your Glocks, put the money in an envelope in the safe, and add to that every chance you get.
If you give the dealer the down payment, you would have several months to get the balance up.
I just realized that I own a R9, and a 340PD, but I have shot neither.
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Chameleon, thanks for looking out :)
I did pay a lot for the 340pd and love how light it is! My only problem with it is that it's a little bulky for my pocket. I really don't want to sell it but I need a good pocket gun and I'm not very comfortable with a .380. If I can sell the Glocks, then I'll probably just keep the 340pd. I'm sure that that the R9 is much more comfortable but there's nothing like the rush of firing the .357 and watching the big flame coming from the barrel :o
You should definitely shoot those toys ;)
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So after some very wise advice (Thanks TW and Chameleon!!), I've decided to rescind my offer of selling the 340pd for now and just sell the Glocks... whew, that feels better :D
It didn't feel right selling such a wonderful gun at such a low price!
Thanks again guys ;D
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>>So ArnelO...
Where do you now stand in pursuit of your R9...?...and selling off other guns to finance it...? Have you decided to give me that Smith 340PD to save yourself from doing something silly with it...?...**widegrins**
Keep us posted on your R9 excitements...!...TW<<
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Hey TW,
I took the S&W 340pd, my Glocks and the H&K P7 to the range this past weekend to help me figure out the next step in my quest for the perfect CCW. I had not fired the P7 previously and all I can say is WOW !!! That gun is amazing... I've never shot more accurately in my life so the P7 is definitely a keeper ;D In fact, I've joined the "Cult of P7" and I feel this overwhelming urge to get another P7 :o I can't believe how addicting that gun is!
The 340pd was still a lot of fun to shoot and can't be beat as far as being the most powerful in the lightest package... so it's probably going to stay as my ankle gun. I appreciate your concern so I'll let you know if I decide to do something silly like sell it later ;)
I'm planning on selling the Glocks and if I can find a good deal on a R9s, then I'll probably pick one up but that P7 is like a drug calling to me :-[
Thanks again for bringing me back to my senses ;D
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R9SCarry, that's an awesome FAQ site!!
PsychoSword, unfortunately, the 340pd has the lock.
Then I'd sell the 340 too.. ;D
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>>OK guys... Call me naive, but there are a couple things I don't know about... Like the lock on the new Smiths - why do people shy away from them...?...does it degrade the trigger action / other functions of these guns...?
Also, what the heck does "OBO" stand for when people list an item for sale...?
Finally, ArnelO...what's the big deal about your P7 compared to other quality guns...? Maybe I should have THAT gun - lol...! Face it...you need the R9, so go sell the Glocks and go buy one...! Seems there are several for sale here on the Classifides site.
You know, it's fun to watch folks squirm over buying the R9... Eventually most of them end up buying one (or more). And now the folks at the factory have made it so easy as they are now putting out something like 50 guns a week. I pity the folks who decide NOT to buy an R9...after all - they are only fooling themselves. LOL...!...TW<<
Thanks in advance for the education
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...what's the big deal about your P7 compared to other quality guns...? Maybe I should have THAT gun - lol...!
I, too, just bought a P7M8...yesterday. WOW is the right word. I love it! If you like thin trim profile of a gun, like the R9, you will love the P7. Elegant is the theme throughout! And the engineering design is so unique that you just have to see one in person to truely admire it. After an amazing session at the range, I opened her up for a cleaning session and the details inside just took my breath away....If you like QUALITY (and expensive ;D ) toys, a P7 should be up there on your list! Just ask FlyandScuba.... ;D
Cheers!
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[size=13] what the heck does "OBO" stand for[/size]
TW - ''Or Best Offer'' - usually means the seller will ''negotiate'' - if you however are seller and put that - chances are your asking price will never me met!!
I have no major prob with the locks - dislike them on principle I guess cos of what they stand for!! I have them on my M629-6 and M625-6. Neither gun is used for carry so the ultra remote chance of anything ''binding up'' does not worry me, tho I know it does concern some folks.
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>>Chris O Noble One...
Thanks for the clarifications and educations. I should have known to go to you straight out.
So here's one for you... Ha...!... What is your opinion of the Iver Johnson M-1 Carbine Pistol remake...? See... I LOVE my original M-1 Carbine for a bunch of reasons = all parts same manufacturer...great condition...tack driver...swell defensive weapon...a hoot to shoot.
I'm now looking at this Pistol version (the remake), which looks to be in fine condition, comes with box and all papers, and also looks to have potential as a fun gun all for ~ $320 clams. What I don't know is if this gun's parts are interchangeable with the original version or other M-1 Carbine variants...however - I'm not sure that I care. I've seen only one other Pistol variant and that was an original WWII version at a gun show...so I have no idea how hard it is to find these clones, much less the originals.
So, my Noble all knowing friend... When you (or anyone else for that matter if in the know) get a moment...please consider enlightening me about this weapon.
Of course...then there is the P7 which folks here are raving about - lol...! I have an H&K Compact .45 which is a charm to shoot...so I can only guess about the P7 for now.
So many guns...so little room left in the safe (wife says if it doesn't fit in the safe...it doesn't come in the house...of course my solution is to just buy another safe).
P.S...ArnelO...sorry for going off topic here...seems I just got carried away...so I'll be quiet now...TW<<
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I believe that one of the reasons the P7 is such a good shooter is that the design encourages a strong grip. A good strong grip makes the trigger finger less likely to "jerk" and pull the gun off target when shooting. Next time at the range try holding the R9 with a tighter-than-usual grip and see if your accuracy improves. I know this worked for me.
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One can not have too many safes. Tom
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TW - as ever you flatter me! :)
I'll be totally honest - I know squat about the M1 pistola remake dealie. I have heard of it and no more. Could be if you posted a request for info over on THR there might be some useful input.
The P7M8 - buddy has one and - it is without doubt a great shooter but know what - I have not yet been over enthused even tho I have shot one. Sure it's nice and handles well but despite what we spend on our pups, somehow I wouldn't go that high for one of them. Just me.
I love my SIG! 8)
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Chris: It would complement your R9s very well! ;D
(http://rcfalcon.com/stuff/P7M8/1.JPG)
(http://rcfalcon.com/stuff/P7M8/2.JPG)
(http://rcfalcon.com/stuff/P7M8/3.JPG)
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The P7 and a R9s look like they belong together ;D
I've got the P7 PSP with the European mag realease so it is very slim with nothing on the sides to get in the way of a quick draw and it is the most accurate gun that I've tried so far. I was able to get a non-refurb P7 for much less than what a used R9s is going for!!
I don't understand why the R9s used is still being priced at the same or close to the same price as a new one, especially with production being ramped up ??? I may wait until more used ones enter the market and the price goes down a bit ;)
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If nothing else the H&K P7 has great proof marks. It is also worth buying it for just that. It is a good looking gun and shoots well, but is a little heavy for the caliber. Tom
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>>Not meaning to be disrespectful to P7 owners, but I find the gun looks kinda funny with that pistol grim cocker thingie...reminds me of those toy guns which shoot sparks out the barrel when you grab on to a similar looking grip part. But that's just me, never having shot a P7 before...TW<<
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I really like the proof marks!
We should have a couple on the R9S.
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TW, You just read too many space age fiction comic books..hahah Tom
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TW,
I like watching my P7 shoot sparks after I pull the trigger ;D
Seriously though, i think that the accuracy is directly related to the pinned barrel in combination with keeping one focused on a good grip :)
If you're ever down in the Miami area, you can try it out for yourself.
BTW, I still want a R9s 8)
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>>Hi ArnelO...
Thanks for the invite to try out your P7 one of these days. Although I go to Florida once or twice a year on business - haven't been down to Miami in 20 years. Perhaps the P7 will give me reason. I'll probably be carrying an R9 as I have a Florida CC permit...so if you haven't gotten one of your own by then you can at least try one out.
Likewise - if ever you make it up to the Northern Virginia area you have an open invite to try out my R9 and other guns...and if our guest room is unoccupied you are welcome to it for your stay. I just hope you aren't a wacko cause then I might have to introduce you to the business end of my R9...see...?...lol...!...TW<<
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If there is a city that one needs a carry permit, it's Miami.
Tom
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TW, thanks for the offer and the warning :o No worries... I'm the one usually putting the wackos away ;)
Tom, what do you mean?! Miami is such a warm and fuzzy place ::) Well, at least I don't have to shovel snow any more ;D
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I am such a new owner of a R9, I keep forgetting the only other nine milimeter handgun I own is a P7.
I didn't give it much thought until Tom mentioned it, but the P7 is much heavier than the R9....but then again what nine isn't heavier than a R9?
The R9 offers accuracy, concelability,and reliability in a very light and small package. That is awful hard to beat.
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amen Tom
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You guys are making it very hard to resist getting an R9s !!!
There's going to be another gun show in my area in a few weeks so I'll be able to see one in person. If I can find one at a good price, I'll probably sell my Glocks at the same time ;D
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I have all of the pistols you have, except the HK P7, which you should definitley keep. I think you should also keep the Glock 23. My G23 loaded with 14 .40cal Speer 165gr GDHPs is my primary home defense pistol. My wife's gun is a S&W 342 loaded with 2 rounds of .38spl 148gr lead WC, then 3 Speer .38spl 135gr +P GDHPs. I figure that if the first 2, low recoil 148gr WCs, (which she shoots well) don't get the job done then she won't notice the recoil of the +Ps if she has to fire them. So it looks like that leaves the Glock 27. I really like my G27, but it is a little too large to carry unless you have a jacket on to conceal it. Enjoy your Rohrbaugh.
Ed
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Welcome, ArneIO!
I am like you in some ways, I had WAY too many different caliber
guns and it was driving me meshuggenah (pronounced "meshuggenah")
So I got real and whittled it down (wish I could whittle down my knife collection;^) and now am at the sane 2 calibers to mess with, 9mm and .45ACP. I figure I need at least one Hi Cap .45 in case of Armegeddon (as in Armegeddon Outta Here;^) and a stable of 9mm "other" guns. (This doesn't include shotguns, now, hear?)
So, get rid of the stuff you don't need and concentrate on that which you do need. Whittle it down. I have some great knives for that...
Hayword N. Edgewise
I guess the consensus is sell everything except the P7 and buy the R9 now... hopefully, I can find one at the gun show to see and feel ;D It's a shame that I can't rent one to shoot first!
My major concern is stepping down from the .40 and .357 to a regular 9mm and also that the R9 is a little picky with ammunition. My Glocks and 340PD are extremely reliable. I hope I'll be able to say the same about the R9.
Thanks again for everyone's advice :)
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cuteo100,
Great pictures of the HK P7 and R-9. What camera did you use?
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Calvin,
Great word, meshuggenah. I to have a meshuggenah of guns and calibers. I think the .45 and .40 S&W calibers are the best all round self defense pistol rounds, but are often hard to conceal. So I still use my .380 and 9mm pistols. My main home defense pistol is a Glock .40cal model 23, but my main defense "weapon" is a Winchester Pump 12ga shot gun.
Ed