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Title: super lube on other guns
Post by: matthew on January 04, 2006, 01:03:06 PM
hey guys got another question for you all.  Should I use SuperLube on my LB TRS?  The reason I ask is that the Rohrbaugh team seems to think that this is the best stuff out there otherwise they would not strongly recomend it.  I shoot mainly lead swc through my TRS, and when I go to the range I shoot anywhere between 500 to 1000 rounds.  My worry is that the Super Lube might be too thick and gum up my gun over that many rounds.  Does anyone have any suggestions.  Right now I use Wilson Combat Ultima-lube grease and oil. thanks
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: Michigunner on January 04, 2006, 01:36:52 PM
matthew, I'll offer an opinion, for what it's worth.

I think a thin layer of SuperLube on the frame and slide would be perfectly fine.  I'm sure it would be as good as anything else.

I'll certainly use it on my pistols.

I also requested a free sample of militec via emai. l purchased a bottle later.  You apply it using a hair dryer to "set" it into the metal.   Then, the SuperLube could be used.

They also send a free sample of militec grease, I think.

Bill
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: tracker on January 04, 2006, 05:53:04 PM
Miltec does have grease samples also; it is quite good.
Also, at someone's suggestion here I ordered a tube of
"Slide glide" and it is outstanding; seems to be a lot less
viscous and, some might argue, just as effective.
Title: tRe: super lube on other guns
Post by: FB3 on January 04, 2006, 08:59:57 PM
There is an abundance of excellent lubricants available for firearms now.  Petroleum engineering has advanced significantly in the last decade.  Synthetics are quite common, and do a great job.  

Really, pretty much any of the major brands of gun lubes will work quite well for any application.  I use Brian Enos "Slide Glide" on the frame rails, slide, barrel hood, bushing, and slide stop on my 1911's and really like it.

FP 10 is a great low viscosity all purpose lube and protectorant (is that a word?) for firearms.  Bottom line is, there are a lot of good products out there and there is no excuse for not using a good high quality lube on your guns.

I am sure that we all have our favorites, and they all will do the job.  Just don't use the 30 wt non detergent lawn mower oil on your nice gun!
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: BlueGrips on January 04, 2006, 09:15:23 PM
Militec-1 stuff rocks and I've been using it on all my firarms. Recently, I've read about the Eezox and saw this picture. Don't know what to believe...

(http://rcfalcon.com/stuff/eezox-rust-test.jpg)
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: Brenden on January 08, 2006, 02:33:10 AM
Quote
Militec-1 stuff rocks and I've been using it on all my firarms. Recently, I've read about the Eezox and saw this picture. Don't know what to believe...

(http://rcfalcon.com/stuff/eezox-rust-test.jpg)

Wow..
Do you know who performed these tests?

I most always on general use, used Rem-oil,for ages with no apparent problems..

As of late I have been using CLP,due to shooting ARs a bit,and they seem to love it..

Thanks for those pics-makes you think!!

Brenden

Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: sslater on January 08, 2006, 06:31:06 PM
I've been using EEZOX since 1992, and it is really good.  Don't where that photo came from - couldn't find it on the EEZOX website.  http://www.eezox.com/index.html

Because of the somewhat unique features of the R9S, I've followed the Rohrbaugh recommendations to the letter re: Superlube grease and Mobil 1 oil.  But I did treat the exterior of my R9 with EEZOX.

A personal experience with EEZOX:  I had fired my Glock 22 and then ran afoul of the local police department.  My uncleaned Glock was confiscated and held for six months before I was able to retrieve it.  The Glock had been treated with EEZOX, but I expected the bore to be scrap.  Surprise!!  ;D
It looked as good as new.  There was no rust or fingerprints on the slide either.  I've been sold on the stuff ever since.

Steve
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: harrydog on January 10, 2006, 01:35:46 PM
I don't think Militec-1 can be beat as a pure lubricant. It's not the best rust preventative as those photos show, although I've never personally had a rust problem with any of my guns while using it.
I think some of the other products that excel at rust prevention probably give up a little bit in the area of lubrication.
Seecamp applies a mixture of Militec and Eezox at the factory. The best of both worlds I guess.
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: BlueGrips on February 11, 2006, 11:44:18 PM
I found that picture here:
http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html

Also, Gunzone did a test involving a bunch of lubricants. It is also a good read:
http://www.thegunzone.com/rust.html

Another good read regarding Militec-1 and the military:

http://www.militec-1.com/articles/md.html
http://www.militec-1.com/articles/md1.html
http://www.militec-1.com/articles/md2.html

Cheers!
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: R9SCarry on February 11, 2006, 11:59:00 PM
I have no prob with Superlube but do consider with tribology where it is today that there many choices that are all good.  I also feel that because of the ability of grease to hold crud, it is tho persistent which is good - a potential problem if cleaning sessions are too extended - I have proved that with my SIG.

I have also used Tetra grease and Militech grease on semi's.

I am not too concerned with who wins the ''anti-corrosion race'' with the R9 but am concerned that SS running on aluminum is very effectively assisted by good lube.  More and more I have to say, despite having been a ''grease'o'phile'' I am tending more toward a good oil for semi's.  Militeck1 is up there IMO.

Best of all is regular maintenance and lube schedules - but applying too ''less is more'' in particular with internals like trigger groups - lot of compromize.
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: Michigunner on February 12, 2006, 10:12:45 AM
I have used Militec for quite a while.  All my guns have received a good coating applied with a hair dryer.

Tomorrow morning, I'm picking up a new HK USP full-sized .45 auto.  While doing advance reading of the owner's manual, I see they recommend a medium oil.  Then, they concluded with the following comment.

"Do not use lubricants that boast of their ability to penetrate metal  as these substances may deaden primers.".

My technique is to freely apply Militec, use the hair dryer, and wipe completely clean.   Then I apply conventional gun oil, such that the primers should not be affected.

Still, I have to pay attention to HK.  This is not their first cruise.  

Bill

Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: R9SCarry on February 12, 2006, 02:26:55 PM
Bill - congrats on HK - nice piece. :)

I think the warning re primers would realistically only be for those folks who put their guns in a lube ''bath'' ;D  To be honest - using the ''less is more'' approach I could not see that as a risk.

IMO mags should be internally all but free of lube, except maybe for a trace of dry lube, so no probs there.
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: harrydog on February 12, 2006, 05:02:16 PM
I've used Militec-1 for 4 or 5 years and have never had a problem with the primers and that includes a USP9 and USP45 Tactical. Like you guys said, as long as you use Militec as it's intended to be used and don't leave the gun wet with oil, it shouldn't be an issue. I think Militec-1 is the best lubricant available.
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: Michigunner on February 13, 2006, 09:07:23 PM
I picked up my HK USP .45 full size today.  I am just extremely pleased with it.

It has the best feel of any firearm I've every owned.  It fits my small hand just about perfectly and requires only the slightest stretch to reach the trigger.

It is a real humdinger.

Bill
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: R9SCarry on February 13, 2006, 09:52:35 PM
Bill - your HK is similar in size to my SIG - and I have certainly liked the feel of USP's I have handled.

Nice aquisition - I think you will derive great pleasure from ownership and shooting it.
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: Michigunner on February 14, 2006, 12:01:51 AM
Thanks, Chris.  I'm very excited about it.

You know, it is a great mountain of a gun.  Someone on another forum used that expression.   It seems like a giant to me, after handling the P239 and R9S so long.

My order is already in for the Summer Special 2 in black horsehide.  It typically takes 12-13 weeks now.

It really is big.  I hope it will carry IWB OK.  Otherwise, it will have to be a house gun.

I was going to ask you:  What do you think would be the typical increase in waist size for trousers to carry IWB something that big?  Maybe I'll wait and carefully measure it and get pants 2-4" larger.

Your Sig .45 looks very large, too.  I bet it is comfortable to shoot.  

Someday, let's talk about the best .45 Auto ammunition.  I ordered some Golden Saber, and some Federal Hydro-Shok.  Sorry, if bad spelling on that.

Also sorry about hijacking this thread.

Bill

Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: R9SCarry on February 14, 2006, 12:32:51 AM
Bill - well only a temporary hijack ;)

I guess yes, it'll seem big!  2" is an average most folks allow for pants but hey - I carry large and heavy (so used to it from choice) but - also carry OWB.  I find IWB irritatingly uncomfortable and was never prepared to get pants just for that either!  In my 220 I choose GD's - 185's - many reckon they are better than H Shocks too for flash as well as on balnce IMO better feeders.  Mind you, the HK should eat about anything!

Just for ref (and sorry again folks for me and Bill drifting here, badly!) - this is my rig - wife took quick pics of it in situ.  ignore the old belt - it is replaced and they were old jeans too!, tho in fact even with slight sag all was A1.  You'll notice how tight in this sits, altho I am fairly broad up top and so outer garment always covers it well with no printing.  Your dress choice may of course preclude this.



(http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot6/sigrig-side-02.jpg)



(http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot6/sigrig-rear-15.jpg)
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: Michigunner on February 14, 2006, 10:44:59 AM
Yes, that good-looking Sig is mighty big.  Well, I never even considered OWB.  That would certainly make the task easier.

My worry is that the untucked shirt would suddenly jump up and reveal the giant.  I guess everybody worries about it, and it probably "never" happens.

Also, my Summer Special 2 order has been placed.  One writer called it the immortal Summer Special.  Every shootest should have at least one immortal holster.

Anyway, I'll check out Milt Sparks again.

I hope others will comment about carrying these large pistols concealed.

I'm beginning to think about using much less  grease on my R9S, and use more medium oil.  Since it will be rarely shot, I can't see it would make much difference.  Back on topic.  :D
 
Bill

Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: Michigunner on February 14, 2006, 11:20:44 AM
Chris,

Thanks to your wise guidance, I chickened out about the IWB, and switched to the Milt Sparks 55BN, with a slight muzzle to the rear (FBI cant).

Without hesitation, he said that people with the USP full size choose the 55BN.

Bill

Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: R9SCarry on February 14, 2006, 03:22:56 PM
Bill - (drift nearly over folks and again apologies!) - re the lifting shirt worry.  It  can be a problem, windy weather etc but - easy to fix.  Invent subtle ploys to prevent it and one of the easiest when carrying 3 to 3.30 - is tuck elbow in a bit against gun.

Other things - beware the shirt gape when bending/reaching - easy to control if aware - and pick up items by bending at knees.  Also a thumb hooked in pants pocket can be handy to control shirt opening - just dream up less than obvious every-day things that folks will never notice - but do NOT make obvious ''adjustment'' moves - those shout carry sometimes ! :)
Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: Michigunner on February 14, 2006, 04:33:39 PM
Excellent ideas.  This little discussion was most  productive.  Thanks again.

Apologies to all.

Bill

Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: Michigunner on April 11, 2006, 05:15:34 PM
I'm really glad about listening to Chris regarding a belt holster.

My Sig P239 9mm is not even felt when it goes in the 55BN holster.  It is vastly better than the IWB.

The only trade off is having to have the shirt untucked, and maybe slightly longer to prevent detection.

I haven't yet received the 55BN for the HK USP .45.  That may be a different story.

If anybody needs a holster fast, Lightning Arms Sports is terrific.  Mine came in two days.  Craig and Audrey get the job  done.

Bill

Title: Re: super lube on other guns
Post by: R9SCarry on April 12, 2006, 01:45:32 AM
Good work Bill - it's pretty easy really - as so often is the case and when we can anyways - ''dress round the gun'' :)