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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: DDGator on August 09, 2007, 11:12:29 PM
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[size=13]Breaking News, Rohrbaugh Fans…[/size]
Straight from the Rohrbaugh Factory – you heard it here first. Rohrbaugh has announced two new models/configurations of the R-9 for their most discriminating customers!
R-9 Elite
An R-9 with Diamond Black (DLC) slide with hand sanded sides as an accent. Frame is black. Polished feed ramp. All levers have machined look. G-10 grips. All parts are hand selected for perfect fit and finish! Retail: $1,395.
R-9 Elite Premium
Same as Elite, but all internal parts are glass beaded and polished by their in-house jewler to include: polished feed ramp, trigger, trigger spring, hammer, ejector, barrel top, and all pins. Magazine housing is glass beaded, then the backs are sanded to a satin look by hand. The magazine base plates are high polished by hand. Grips are carbon fiber (while they last). Other grip materials are being investigated for use after the short supply of CF grips is exhausted.
Rohrbaugh will also offer “Full Custom” R-9s built to your exact specs, with the price dependant upon the work requested.
Wow. It sounds like these pieces are going to be true works of art.
The other two models will continue, the Two-Tone and the Stealth. But, there will be a small price increase as of August 15 – the Two-Tone will retail for $1,150 and the Steath will retail for $1,195.
The Rohrbaugh website (www.rohrbaughfirearms.com) will be updated soon to reflect the new models.
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Here are some rough photos to show you some of the details on the Elite model. I hope these photos can accurately convey the level of detail and the painstaking extra work that is going into the Elite models to make them perfect jewels.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DDGator/P8080025.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DDGator/ElitePremrhft.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DDGator/ElitePremslidebottom.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DDGator/ElitePremRtsideopen.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DDGator/openlow.jpg)
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So what do you think? ;)
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Looks like like some more drool material!!
Did not think anymore CF grips were around?? :)
Wish the best for the R Bros....
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NICE! I like the look of the Slide...almost like Black Chrome. :D
With all that internal polishing, that trigger has got to smoother than it already is.
What are the R Bros trying to do? Improve on Perfection?
Any word on the R45?
Mark
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The carbon fiber grips are in short supply --- less than 20 pair left. :'( The remaining stock is being saved for these Premium Elite models.
However, Karl is working on some new materials for optional higher-end grips that sounds very promising... ;D
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* * * However, Karl is working on some new materials for optional higher-end grips that sounds very promising... ;D
My blood pressure just went up! Being a confirmed grip "junkie," I'll be waiting. ;D
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I have been able to hold the Elite , It is a work of art. The gun is beautiful. Dan
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How do I go about ordering an Elite?
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Give Maria a call at the factory -- 1-800-803-2233 or
631-242-3175. Have it delivered to me, and I will do the pre-delivery inspection for you. ;D
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Give Maria a call at the factory -- 1-800-803-2233 or
631-242-3175. Have it delivered to me, and I will do the pre-delivery inspection for you. ;D
Do I understand correctly that we could order one through the factory and have it sent to a ffa holder in our state. I am looking at getting a 2nd pup and that sure sounds like a hybrid pup.
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R9 Elite-Premium is $2245.00.
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WOHA! I'm out... :(
I'll save that for the R 45 that's coming.
Too Bad!
Mark
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Hello again everyone,
Yes, the special attention given to the guns is purty. I hate to rain on the parade but all that polish is not going to seem so special after you fire a hundred rounds through the gun and the frame galling that is normal and will appear on every R9 shows up. If you got the bucks then go for the top of the line. If you are like me and work for a liveing, stick with the "regular" R9.
Mike
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To order either, give Maria a call at the factory.
It probably goes without saying that either Elite model may be over-kill for a carry piece -- these are pieces of art that happen to be guns. ;)
By all accounts, the R-45 is a long time coming. Karl would love to do it, but I don't think its coming anytime soon.
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What would not be a long time comming would a SSt R9 frame. Which would sell now, and remove the unaesthietic galling, which for guns priced at this level, with the implied numismatic value, should be a given.
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pbwe,
I agree with you completly. For me weight is not a factor with this gun it is the size that makes it perfect. I would love to see a SS framed R9.
Mike
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I would sell a kidney (maybe even my own :D ) tomorrow to buy the SS R9 is they came out with it. :)
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Somebody bring me down to earth here, but an SSt R9 WITH bona fide +P ammo capability would obviate the firepower rationale for a short barrel 45. It would be an excuse for filling print space that the cojones hacks at the gun mags would eat up. A 45 draws way too much comparative fire. Rohrbaugh owns the pocketable 9mm market, why not build there?
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Gator,
I was told that the R45 would be introduced at the 2008 Shot Show, and be ready for retail sale by late spring, early summer 08. I already have a deposit on one with Irish Guard.
Mark
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pbwe and all,
Rohrbaugh seems to have fine customer service and their front office persona in Maria is good to deal with.
That said, I agree with you that there seems to be a couple of no brainers that Rohrbaugh should do but they don't seem to have any interest in doing them. They can run their business how they wish and we can also complain as we wish.
I am not sure a SS frame would help any with reliability with P ammo though. The gun is just so small. I personally don't care about +P. 9mm is fine. I have carried a 380, a 22lr and was carrying 32's before I got my R9. I am very satisfied with standard pressure 9mm.
Mike
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Galling?
I just did forum searches on gall and galling (going back 365 days) and the only two mentions of it are in this thread.
The new guns look good.
John
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It looks really cool and all, but I don't recall a demand for an even 1337er version of the already Elite R9.
There is alot of demand for a full stainless version which is hopefully being taken note of by the company.
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pbwe and all,
Rohrbaugh seems to have fine customer service and their front office persona in Maria is good to deal with.
That said, I agree with you that there seems to be a couple of no brainers that Rohrbaugh should do but they don't seem to have any interest in doing them. They can run their business how they wish and we can also complain as we wish.
I am not sure a SS frame would help any with reliability with P ammo though. The gun is just so small. I personally don't care about +P. 9mm is fine. I have carried a 380, a 22lr and was carrying 32's before I got my R9. I am very satisfied with standard pressure 9mm.
Mike
I agree with you. The slide may have to be beefed up a little since that is where alot of the cracks originated and the slide is of course stainless steel. I don't think that should be a big problem to do though. I'd buy an all stainless R9 in a heartbeat.
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I would have liked to have kept this thread to comments on the new "models" rather than complaints about what should have been made...
Obviously the new models are not "new models" at all -- they are different versions of the same gun that have had a lot of extra cosmetic attention to them for those who want that.
So, I am not sure discussions of different guns or different materials they should have used make a lot of sense in this context.
The brothers have their hands full cranking out R-9s right now, and my guess is they would like to start recouping some of their investment in R&D, equipment and years of working for nothing. Other models will be forthcoming at some point. The R-380 will be first.
I think the Elite models will be desireable for those who collect guns -- not those who are looking for an everyday carry pistol.
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PsychoSword,
You are right. The only structural failures to date have been the slide. For +P the slide would have to be widened or some better probably much more expensive material would have to be used. So a SS framed R9 with +P capeability would really be a totally new handgun. Even a regular SS framed R9 might probably be cost prohibitive. Casting and machineing SS would be quite a bit more expensive than alluminum alloy.
JohnBT,
If you have an R9 and have fired more than 100rds or so and you DON'T have any frame galling then I think you are in the minority of R9 owners.
Mike
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Have not heard of the frame galling issue myself. Where does this occur on the frame? Mine probably only has about a hundred rounds or so.
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DDGator,
Sorry to go off thread topic but that is the nature of message boards. Threads usually wind up going all over the place.
PsychoSword,
Look on the inside of the frame from just in front of the trigger the whole length all the way to the front. If you only have finish wear that is great. Many have more than just finish wear. It will be very evident. If you got it you will know. This only occours in certain places and seems to happen and then stop so it is not a progressively worsening thing.
Mike
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That's not Galling...The Pup's just telling you where she want's lube. ;)
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I did some searches and the pics I saw showed no evidence of galling. There was very heavy wear, but it didn't look like any galling I've ever seen. Heavy scratches - yes, galling - no.
John
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I agree ;D
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About the use of the term "galling". My use of the term is based on wear features that are reported, and the interpreted materials at the interface, i.e. some form of hardened stainless steel and some form of hardened aluminum alloy, and interpreting that the surface hardness of the stainless is greater than the surface hardness of the aluminum alloy (except for the aluminum oxide layer that forms naturally, but is quite thin). The reported wear is occurring to the frame material, and, ostensibly at an interface which should be designed as a flat bearing surface (to distribute design sliding load), so, if wear is occurring to one [flat interfacing] surface, and the appearance of the wear is "scratching", I would propose that the scratch appearance is due to a galling event whereby a particle of aluminum material becomes bonded [dynamically] to the stainless steel, under pressure and heat of friction, and subsequently "scratches" the softer aluminum frame material during slide movement subsequent to the galling event.
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I agree it's telling you where it needs lube. Keeping lube in the right spots, make a world of difference. PBWE do you own a Rohrbaugh firearm or are you just here to complain. Since you joined the forum you haven't had anything positive to say about anything. The majority of the members love their pups, and have respect for their fellow members.
You have a right to your opinion. John BT stated his opinion along with mshechte, myself, and others and you comeback with GALLING. It's their opinion so what. I will not comment again on this matter, nor will I respond to anymore of your post. Just had to give my opinion. WS6
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If you look at the Stealth models you don't see galling but the black diamond finish wearing off the alloy frame. Thats just from the tight tollerance and is a good place to put your lube at when cleaning. Really no more than blueing wear from a lot of holster use. You have got it WS6.
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Whooaahh, easy there WS6.
I keep up with the board pretty good and me thinks you are overreacting just a tad and being a little to harsh with pbwe.
Now I know that some of you guys want to keep everything happy happy joy joy, but with the gun like the R9 that just IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. At least not yet. Hopefully all future guns will not suffer from any the afflictions that past guns have but untill that happens. You want to read some complaining? Read some of my old posts.
Mike
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riffraff, I agree if you have a problem with your pup, you have a right to complain. I have read most of your post, I don't have a problem with MOST of them ;D Seriously if you have a problem with your pup send it back. If it makes you unhappy sell it and move on to a stainless steel frame or whatever. Why bash Rorhbaugh over and over on his guns and the way it is made. Mine is in shop now, with ejection problems. Did I like having to send it back no. I respect your opinion, and everyone elses, as I have said before. Don't bash me or anyone else for having one. If someone has a problem with their pup, I want to hear about it. and their opinion on it be it good or bad. Sometimes I think people come on the forum to stir up trouble. Anything I have just stated is not aimed toward you riffraff in anyway. WS6
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There is some new info, and some clarifications -- so I thought it would be best for posterity to close this thread and start a new one rather than post the new info here.
The new thread is at:
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=R9S;action=display;num=1187185787;start=0#0
Discussions on stainless and the R-45 are now here:
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=R9S;action=display;num=1187186182;start=0
To avoid confusion, this thread will be closed. 8)