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Administration => Forum News and Feedback => Topic started by: imthduke on January 25, 2008, 01:44:18 PM
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There is a slaming of the R9 on this forum that concerned me that I think it would serve to inform the uninformed about the R9.
Well, I got a big surprise today. I work at a gun shop and we sell the Rohrbaugh R9 pistols. They're very small and slick pocket pistols and very expensive too. Last week 2 different customers brought back their R9's for repair. One had just bought it the day before and the trigger wasn't working, and the other one had had the gun for a while and had shot it quite a bit and was having the same problem with the trigger. They wanted the guns sent back to the factory for repair, which we were glad to do, but we were surprised as they were the first ones we've had come back.
The factory was closed until this week, so we shipped the guns off on Monday, but apparently the owner of the gun who'd had it for a while also called the factory Monday to talk to them about his problem. He told us that he had mentioned to whoever he spoke to at the factory that he had fired 150 rounds through the gun when it stopped working and was told that the gun shouldn't be fired that much as it was meant to be a carry gun and not a regular shooting gun!
To be honest, we assumed that the guy either misunderstood what he was told or outright made it up. It didn't make any sense that a gun that finely made and expensive wasn't made to be shot a lot. Except that today the head of Rohrbaugh, Karl Rohrbaugh, called us about the guns we had sent and during the course of the discussion he confirmed that the gun was not intended to be shot a lot and that 150 rounds was too much. He said that every few months he shoots a magazine full through his gun, cleans and reloads it, then puts it back in his pocket. Of course, he's going to fix the guns and send them back to us, but that still doesn't explain the crazy limitation on shooting.
I certainly don't mean to offend anyone who has or likes the guns, nor am I saying that it's a bad gun, but I thought this information should be shared since nowhere on the company's website does it say anything about this important restriction. Also, I have to admit that I have not read the gun's manual and don't know if this matter is mentioned there, but even if it is it's very likely that a buyer would not see it until after purchasing the gun. I have to say that I'm very surprised and disappointed by the whole matter and I just wanted to pass on the information to anyone interested.
the link is here...probably have to be registered
http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-guns/39426-lowdown-rohrbaugh-r9.html
This caused a pile on effect and trashing of the R9 as total junk. I have an R9 and that has not been my experience. Think someone from Robrbaugh needs to respond.
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I have some customers that own R9s and have shot over 4,000 rds and no problems. Tom
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Duke:
Welcome to the Forum, and thanks for the heads up regarding that other board. When I checked the site I found that Duane, Chris, Roc, and you had just about said it all.
The R9 and the P7 have several things in common, including 9mm caliber, superb quality, thousands of satisfied owners . . . and a few detractors who just don't understand. But as we used to say in the Army, "There will always be five percent who don't get the word." ;)
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Richard,
We were worse in the Navy because 10 per cent didn't get
the word; this was less excusable because of the captive
audience and more confined space aboard ship. One sailor
told me one time that being in the Navy was like being in
prison and serving aboard ship was like being in solitary
confinement. I advised him to go back to South Carolina as
soon as his enlistment expired and I think he did just that.
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those folks in that report need to get their facts straight. They mis- quoted what was said period. Tom
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I agree, Tom; it was taken way out of context in addition
to being bad wrong.
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tracker,
As a 6 year Navy vet myself I can honestly say that if I were giveing advice to a family member on which branch to join that I would tell them f*** the Navy, join the Marine Corps before you join the Navy. I am an Air Force brat myself and did 3 years of ROTC in high school to boot(not a popular crowd at that time). FTN Never Again. Join any service except the Navy. MHO.
Mike
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why not the Navy? I know its hard on the service folks and the familys being out to sea, but I think it is way safer than being in the street waiting for someone to shoot you or blow you up. Tom
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I think that point went through my original thought process;
as it turned out, carrier flying was a bit dangerous also.
Some of the finest and most intelligent people I met were
career Navy. It is a very classy service branch, but, indeed,
the Marine Corps is a branch of the Navy Department--here
we go again.
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Hey....why didn't someone tell me this....the Marine Corps is in the dept of the Navy? Say it ain't so. I think the Navy is a part of the dept of the Leather Necks ;D
Semper Fi...do or die. USMC Vietnam 67-68. Btw, when I left Vietnam we were winning. 8)
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Good on you, Duke.
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rifraff:
I'm going to take a bit of exception to your FTN statement. Having spent 20 years in the USN, I can understand where that statement is coming from, but I don't know that the Navy is far different from any of the armed services. I also served with a Marine Infantry Regiment.
My family has had a long standing connection with the Navy. Between my father, myself, and my two brothers, we gave nearly 100 years of combined service. In addition, there has been a ship named (three times) after one of our family members (from way back).
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K-Man,
I know your comment was not directed to me, I was just bustin your chops ;D
Anchors away and Semper Fi.....we face a common enemy and it aint each other.
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K-Man,
You wouldn't happen to be a retired Officer, would you?
Mike
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I addressed the misunderstanding on that thread at DefensiveCarry and it seems to have run its course. ;)
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Yes Sir. :)
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K-Man,
You wouldn't happen to be a retired Officer, would you?
Mike
No, I'm not a retired officer.
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Retreaded USMC....officer here ;D
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Naval Officer here, I am proud to say. :)
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>>My Dad was a West Point 35 year career Maj. General, and after he retired he publicly noted that if he were to do it all again, he would have joined the Marines.
As an Army brat, having experienced Dad being gone for a year or so at a stint (he was Army intelligence or CIA for most of his career), I decided on a career as a professional Snake & Dragon wrangler, which allowed me to be home with my family most of the time, except for an ococcasional month long trip to Europe, Asia, or Australia training others of my kind in the languages and ways of these creatures. But that's just me. I honor and respect all members of our Military Services for their willingness and sacrifices in serving our Country and it's people.
In a similar light I respect and admire folks like the R-Bros who have dedicated their lives, families, and resources in developing and making available such specialized defensive tools as the R-9. Like our Country, IMO the Rohrbaugh company is among the of the best of their kind - maybe not for everyone, but producing product which they stand behind.
In regards to the specialized nature of the R-9 as a tool to be carried a lot and shot a little - as a life savor, not a range toy...in my experience having done a little homework before purchase this was very clear to me...TW<<
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So, nobody addressed the issue of whether or not the Rohrbaugh has oficially said that the R9s is designed to withstand thousands of rounds. What is Rohrbaugh saying oficially?
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I believe that Eric and Karl Rohrbaugh have fired over 5,000 rds in their own R9s. I also have a customer who has over 5,000 rds thru his pistol, no problems. Warranty is life time. Tom
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>>Splashspot, welcome to the Rohrbaugh Forum. I think you will find the more questions and thoughts you post here - the more fascinated you will become with the R9...TW<<
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Of course, if one of them discussed this with you (as their emissary/contact/designee/insulator) it would not be bad PR for YOU (as their emissary) to post it.
Sorry to be a bother. I'll just go get a life and try not to be rude back to you.
(PS, I removed my immediately prior post that TW is responding to.)
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Sorry to be a bother - won't happen again. I assure you.
First off Splat - you are NOT a bother.
The important point which I did such a poor job of relating to you is that all the subjects you brought up...what the R-9 is intended for and what it is not...communications to and from the factory...thinking this website is run by the Rohrbaugh brothers like Larry Seecamp does for his forum...all of these issues have been hashed and rehashed here and are now archived for you and everyone else to read up on, and my suggestion is that you take advantage of these archives and learn from them before coming across with one of your first posts to the forum as huffy puffy as you did.
For my poor attempt at communicating with you, I apologize, and I wish I had done a better job of it. And I very much hope you will stick around. To that end I would like to welcome you, which is the more typical hello you will get from forum members to new folks when they introduce themselves. As for the points and facts I was trying to present to you - I stand behind them.
Again, I hope you will stick around and participate on this forum because despite me there are a lot of really great guys around here, and this place is THE wealth of knowledge on everything unofficial about the R9.
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Understood, and agreed.
I've spent a lot of time reading posts here, and the participants and information of this forum are solely responsible for my willingness to part with over 1000 hard-earned clams for a weapon I want, but do not "need." Never heard of these until I stumbled on them while researching a Kel-Tec after a friend let me shoot his.
I will report back once I have run a few hundred rounds (once it arrives...) It is for my wife, but I have to wring it out, of course.
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slashsplat:
Welcome to the Forum, and congratulations on selecting as a gift for your wife what I consider to be the finest pocket pistol yet made. I predict that once you wring it out for her you will be wanting one for yourself as well. I've been carrying my R9 No. 132 on a daily basis, with regular "wring-out" sessions, for the past 4-1/2 years. It has shown no vices.
Again, welcome!
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My greatest fear is that I will want one also. These things are captivating. I swore I would stick with the Glock 19 that I carry everyday - forever. And then a little Kel-Tec got me looking at something smaller and lighter. Then I had the brilliant idea to replace her alloy S&W 642 .38 with something lighter since her heavy purse is going to kill me one day when she swings it at me. Selfish, I know. Now reading about this R9, it looks SO perfect for me to carry, as I always carry a shoulder pouch that is weighed down with First Aid gear and stuff. Be prepared and self-sufficient.
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Just wanted to chime in here......The reason I bought my R9 is from the sound advice and recommendations I rec'd from folks here on this forum........
I bought one even before I had actually seen one in person. I trusted the guys that posted alot and who seemed to know alot about the pup. A few pm's to members to ask specific questions to. And that was all it took. :)
Theres some good folks here willing to help others 8).....
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BTW...seems defensive carry forum has gone belly up, however, here is a very honest test and report on the R9 spring issue.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312390&highlight=R9
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The reason I bought my R9 is from the sound advice and recommendations I rec'd from folks here on this forum... I bought one even before I had actually seen one in person.
Me too. Only looked at pix and read posts. Come to think of it, I didn't quite realize how daring that was.
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BTW...seems defensive carry forum has gone belly up, however, here is a very honest test and report on the R9 spring issue.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312390&highlight=R9
Duke:
Thanks for that link. Even though I wince a little at the thought of putting a Rohrbaugh R9 through a torture test such as that which the "Playboy" conducted, the results confirm what I have long suspected about the quality of the pistol's design.
I haven't seen the "Playboy" around this campfire for the past few months. Tell him we've been saving his seat for him.
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Roger that.
He is a happy R9 owner, but I agree, I'm goin let him test his not mine. ;D
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I'm pretty certain he's done with his testing....If I recall correctly he got 600 rds out of a single spring before it started to show any wear.....check it out on the Seecamp forum :)
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I think we could hash this subject to death. Let's face it gentlemen, we all paid a grand for our gems, paying a lousy five bucks for a spring every 150 rounds is a very small price to pay for not seeing our guns turning into little pieces of Rohrbaugh. I can say that obviously nobody here is going to put that many rounds through the gun all in one session any way.
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agreed Tom