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Title: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes/ it's back : ?
Post by: JoshA on November 18, 2014, 10:07:38 PM: Well I received a very nice R9 from cargaritaville today. Looks very new. Thanks Norm!!

I took it apart and frog lubed the entire pistol and it really looks new inside and out with only the slightest wear on the aluminum where the mag slides in. Truly a fine looking piece.

So now I'm left with a similar dilemma that I've heard several others post about.

Do I keep this one pristine or use it? I guess if the other one comes back and it is 100% then I can just SQ this one as a backup. I'm really not wanting to holster this one. Just seems a shame at this point anyway.

I do think I will take it to the range and see how it runs a box of Lawman 124 grain first though.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: cargaritaville on November 19, 2014, 07:16:44 AM: I am now down to one safe queen. From now on, they all go to the range for a workout. My father once told me that if I was going to be happy in life, that I'd better make peace with imperfection real soon. I think that I'll follow that route.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: wildmanwill on November 19, 2014, 10:05:35 AM: Two threads. Did you receive two? ;)

(Guessing you were having an issue with attaching the photo perhaps)

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7546.0 (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7546.0)

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7547.0 (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7547.0)
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: JoshA on November 19, 2014, 05:25:51 PM: Quote from: wildmanwill on November 19, 2014, 10:05:35 AM
Two threads. Did you receive two? ;)

(Guessing you were having an issue with attaching the photo perhaps)

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7546.0 (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7546.0)

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7547.0 (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7547.0)

Yes I was. I tried to go back and remove one of them but it wouldn't let me.

Well it was a busy day and I wasn't able to get to the range... Maybe tomorrow.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: backupr9 on November 19, 2014, 10:51:13 PM: They were meant to be used Josh. Unless it is purely an investment (and even then) if you put it away most likely your widow will let some "old friend" buy it for 1/10th of its value. Take it from an almost retired intensive care doc, life is too unpredictable to "save it" for some future that may never arrive...Carpe diem!
John
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: cargaritaville on November 20, 2014, 07:17:35 AM: if you put it away most likely your widow will let some "old friend" buy it for 1/10th of its value

My biggest fear in life is that when I pass away, my wife will sell all my toys for what I told her I paid for them!
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: BlueC2 on November 20, 2014, 09:32:30 AM: Quote from: cargaritaville on November 20, 2014, 07:17:35 AM
My biggest fear in life is that when I pass away, my wife will sell all my toys for what I told her I paid for them!

This is great!
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: backupr9 on November 20, 2014, 09:45:39 AM: Great my ass...now I have to hide the link to this thread in case my wife sees it! >:( ;)
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: BlueC2 on November 20, 2014, 10:52:10 AM: Quote from: backupr9 on November 20, 2014, 09:45:39 AM
Great my ass...now I have to hide the link to this thread in case my wife sees it! >:( ;)

My wife still thinks there is only one gun in my giant safe ::)
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 20, 2014, 02:06:32 PM: There is a part of me that wants to put the R9 on a nice cushy pillow in a dry safe, but then I walk around for a few days carrying a CM9 and the Rohrbaugh goes back in the pocket
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: Richard S on November 20, 2014, 06:48:40 PM: Quote from: BlueC2 on November 20, 2014, 10:52:10 AM
Quote from: backupr9 on November 20, 2014, 09:45:39 AM
Great my ass...now I have to hide the link to this thread in case my wife sees it! >:( ;)

My wife still thinks there is only one gun in my giant safe ::)

It's dangerous to let your wife look into your gun safe. The last time I let my wife look into mine she "requisitioned" this as her own:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/lws32withhedleyholsterandcaptainsso-1.jpg)

::)
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: backupr9 on November 20, 2014, 08:17:14 PM: It's dangerous to LETyour wife look into your gun safe. The last time I let my wife look into mine she "requisitioned" this as her own.
_________________________________________________________

Well Richard, your problem is your open permissiveness...you must really love that girl!
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: Richard S on November 20, 2014, 08:49:29 PM: Quote from: backupr9 on November 20, 2014, 08:17:14 PM

It's dangerous to LETyour wife look into your gun safe. The last time I let my wife look into mine she "requisitioned" this as her own.
_________________________________________________________

Well Richard, your problem is your open permissiveness...you must really love that girl!

John:

That's for sure! I crashed and burned at first sight, gave her my card (a gesture she did not return), then spent a month working to identify and find her. Having finally accomplished that, I devoted the following year to "hot pursuit." 😎
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: JoshA on November 20, 2014, 11:00:06 PM: I agree. It would t be such a quandry, but my other one is a scratched gun. If it becomes 100% I may carry it and save the stealth for a time in the future, but I am fine using it.

Now, more about that. I was able to run 50 124 gr lawman through it today.

Yipee. 50 rounds. 50 bangs. No clicks or FTE/stovepipes. Yes!!!!

I even ran 5 left handed/one handed and 5 right handed/one handed

Finally a working R9. I'm very pleased with it.

I didn't let it cool between mags either.

I will clean the lil machine and try some 115 gr silver tips so I know how it functions and then to the recommended carry much and occasionally fire off the 2 mags i have been walking around with for a while.

Sound like a reasonable approach, or should I just carry it now and forget the 115 gr? Thoughts?

Thanks again Norm. Great lil giant.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: Richard S on November 21, 2014, 08:35:14 AM: Quote from: JoshA on November 20, 2014, 11:00:06 PM
***

Finally a working R9. I'm very pleased with it.

I didn't let it cool between mags either.

I will clean the lil machine and try some 115 gr silver tips so I know how it functions and then to the recommended carry much and occasionally fire off the 2 mags i have been walking around with for a while.

Sound like a reasonable approach, or should I just carry it now and forget the 115 gr? Thoughts?

***

Josh:

Congratulations. That is a reasonable approach. And your new R9 is typical of nearly every one of the thousands that came off of the line. It is typical of the R9s that I and many others around here have been describing for years.

You say that you didn't let the piece cool down between strings of fire. That is pushing the envelope for the smallest and lightest pistol ever designed for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge. For what it is width, now that you have done that once, I wouldn't do it again if the pistol were mine. The chances of having to fire a rapid string of 50 or so rounds during a self-defense situation in civilian life are slim to none.

Enjoy your new masterpiece.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: BlueC2 on November 21, 2014, 09:08:13 AM: Quote from: Richard S on November 20, 2014, 06:48:40 PM

It's dangerous to let your wife look into your gun safe. The last time I let my wife look into mine she "requisitioned" this as her own:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/lws32withhedleyholsterandcaptainsso-1.jpg)

::)

Richard,

That case is astounding! Is that something you made? 132 has a very nice home.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: Richard S on November 21, 2014, 09:17:00 AM: Thank you! I did not make that case. It was made by a craftsman in Michigan. And while that piece does have old ivory grips it is not "R9 132." It's a Seecamp LWS .32. My wife saw it and said, "I want it, Darling." Now what is a man to do under those circumstances? :-\

_{[Edited typo.]}
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: BlueC2 on November 21, 2014, 09:19:00 AM: At least she did not take the R9!
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: Richard S on November 21, 2014, 09:33:30 AM: Thank Heaven for that!
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: BlueC2 on November 21, 2014, 09:52:16 AM: I think a case like that would be a fitting home for Karl's #R9. If you still have the makers contact info would you mind PMing it?

(http://www.electrawatch.com/R9/Kennel/KarlR9.jpg)
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: Richard S on November 21, 2014, 10:24:33 AM: I'll look for the contact information and post what I find here later today.

______________

Here is a link to the profile of Doug Walkner ("captains_son" on the Seecamp Forum) who made the box pictured above. He is from Wisconsin, not Michigan as I had mistakenly recalled. I contacted him by the e-mail link on the profile:

http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=captains_son

Doug's last post on the Seecamp Forum appears to have been back in 2012. He was suffering from a serious illness at the time and I don't know his current status. It was a sad situation to see his health decline so dangerously.

Here is a link to a thread on the Seecamp Forum that discusses Doug's work and has references to other sources for custom pistol boxes:

http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1170861479/0

I hope all of this helps.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: JoshA on November 21, 2014, 04:07:58 PM: Quote from: Richard S on November 21, 2014, 08:35:14 AM
Quote from: JoshA on November 20, 2014, 11:00:06 PM
***

Finally a working R9. I'm very pleased with it.

I didn't let it cool between mags either.

I will clean the lil machine and try some 115 gr silver tips so I know how it functions and then to the recommended carry much and occasionally fire off the 2 mags i have been walking around with for a while.

Sound like a reasonable approach, or should I just carry it now and forget the 115 gr? Thoughts?

***

Josh:

Congratulations. That is a reasonable approach. And your new R9 is typical of nearly every one of the thousands that came off of the line. It is typical of the R9s that I and many others around here have been describing for years.

You say that you didn't let the piece cool down between strings of fire. That is pushing the envelope for the smallest and lightest pistol ever designed for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge. For what it is width, now that you have done that once, I wouldn't do it again if the pistol were mine. The chances of having to fire a rapid string of 50 or so rounds during a self-defense situation in civilian life are slim to none.

Enjoy your new masterpiece.

Thanks for the good advice Richard. All future firing will be more civil on the little guy.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Need your input please
Post by: JoshA on November 30, 2014, 05:03:34 PM: ok so I have some good news and some bad new from today's range report.

I was able to run 20 Winchester silver tips through the stealth today.

Good news: no FTE. No FT Feed. So the 115 doesn't seem to be an issue. That's wonderful even though I will likely stick with 124 for carry.

Bad news that I would like some input on: there were a couple of rounds that took multiple squeezes to get to fire. One took 3 trigger pulls. Are the Winchester silver tips hard primered or do you guys run them well through your R9's?
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: tracker on November 30, 2014, 05:26:18 PM: I haven't heard of hard primers on Winchester or Federal. The problem seems to lie in foreign made primers but if I had light strikes with anything it would be the end of it.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: MRC on November 30, 2014, 06:00:51 PM: I can tell you what I have always been told about primers for reloading. A lot of the makers of progressive presses and the hand held priming tools recomend Winchester or CCI primers as they have the "hardest" cups of the domestic producers. Federal has the softest cups. Remington is in between.

That said I have not had any trouble with Winchester or CCI primers going off. I do know that my R9 has the lightest strikes of any pistol I have owned. This includes a Colt Pony and a Colt Pocket Nine which were notorious for light strikes.

To get the nice, soft, and smooth trigger pull that the R9's are famous for, you have to give up something in the "striking power" category. Also Rohrbaugh used a very heavy firing pin spring to try and make the drop test. This is also a contributor to light hits.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: Griff on November 30, 2014, 06:53:44 PM: Josh,
My stealth has run every type of 9mm fed it except for Hornady Critical Defense, which did what yours did with the Winchester. It would fire off some rounds first trigger pull, some took multiple strikes, and some others only fired when recycled through a Glock.
I learned that the Critical defense does indeed have hard primers, and relegated it to other firearms.
Mine did fine with Winchester "white box" fmj.
I have since decided to only use my chosen carry ammo even for practice. I have been using the recommended Speer 124 grain Gold Dot.
After Shooting the Bull got the best results in his short barrel 9mm ammo quest with Federal HST 124 grain, I bought up a supply of it, and may switch to it if it runs well. His videos are on YouTube.
I recommend finding a good quality hollow point that runs perfectly in your personal r9 and using it exclusively.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: tracker on November 30, 2014, 07:42:44 PM: I have come to the same conclusion about only shooting the ammo you carry in the R9--no extended Lawman or WWB sessions are necessary if you are confident in the Pup's functionality. I only fire about two mags every two or three months of Federal HST 124 gr. There was never any concern about 115 gr. in the R9 except a matter of preference. The Solo is the only one I know that recommends the heavier bullets.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) More input please fellas.
Post by: JoshA on November 30, 2014, 08:48:43 PM: Ok, well I'm good with just running my carry ammo and that only 2 mags every month or two.

I guess the next question is...

Federal HST,

Golden Sabers

or Gold Dot?
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: tracker on November 30, 2014, 08:59:10 PM: My two preferences are HST and GD.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: backupr9 on December 01, 2014, 08:23:59 AM: Quote from: tracker on November 30, 2014, 08:59:10 PM
My two preferences are HST and GD.

+1
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: JoshA on December 22, 2014, 08:13:22 PM: Well let's add 25 rounds of 147 grain gold dot to the new Cargarittaville stealth.

So far that makes

50, 124

20, 115 ST

25, 124 GD

I did have another problem with a couple needing a few squeezes to get the primer to fire.

I wonder if I ought to send it in for light strike issues. Thoughts?
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: MRC on December 22, 2014, 08:45:22 PM: R9's have an extremely light hammer spring in order to get the nice trigger pull. They also use a very stiff firing pin spring to aid in the muzzle drop test. Both could be contributing factors.

To me, a gun that has this problem is worthless for defense purposes. There are too many striker fired pistols that will never fail you.

If it were mine, I would talk to the Gunsmith at Williams and see what he says. Be able to tell him what ammo you had trouble with and what percentage of strikes fail on the first try.

Good luck.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: JoshA on December 22, 2014, 08:55:29 PM: Quote from: MRC on December 22, 2014, 08:45:22 PM
R9's have an extremely light hammer spring in order to get the nice trigger pull. They also use a very stiff firing pin spring to aid in the muzzle drop test. Both could be contributing factors.

To me, a gun that has this problem is worthless for defense purposes. There are too many striker fired pistols that will never fail you.

If it were mine, I would talk to the Gunsmith at Williams and see what he says. Be able to tell him what ammo you had trouble with and what percentage of strikes fail on the first try.

Good luck.

Sounds smart MRC. Thanks.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: tracker on December 22, 2014, 08:57:40 PM: Which ammo had the light strikes?
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: JoshA on December 22, 2014, 09:54:58 PM: So far gold dot 147, Winchester and I THINK the gold dot 124 MAY have, but I can't swear to it.

I shot 1/2 of the box of 147's in each of the R9's. The stealth struggled again with the 147's like it did with the 115 and maybe a round or two of the 124's.

The one that just came back from Williams didn't have an issue with light strikes.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : )
Post by: JoshA on January 13, 2015, 09:16:03 PM: Well the stealth is officially going into Williams for some tweaking after the aforementioned light strikes. Shipping tag on the way.

Not sure what the issue would be as it did look almost perfect when it arrived from Cargarittavile.

Oh well, still glad I got it. Last I checked there were no more R9's on gunbroker except for the $5000 special forces piece. At least we have a place to send them if needed.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: JoshA on January 14, 2015, 05:30:03 PM: Shipped it off today. I'm very confident it will be a 100% pistol when it returns.

I almost wonder if it just sat dry too long in a safe and needs lubed or worked in areas I can't get to readily. It ran 100% except for the light strikes and just looked so good inside and out. It's gonna be a winner like my other one now that the ejector is repaired.

I'll keep you fellas posted.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: JoshA on January 26, 2015, 08:32:10 PM: Well they called me Sunday afternoon to tell me in 20 rounds with two different types of 115 gr ammo they couldn't get it to malfunction.

They were going to take it down today and look deeper into it and then perhaps run some more rounds.

So far they are not experiencing what I did. The fellow did say there were no failures to eject or feed.

I guess that's good.

Just an update.

I opted to not discuss the one they already fixed that needs to go back (for the same repair after just 109 rounds) until I get this one back For what it's worth.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: tracker on January 26, 2015, 08:38:38 PM: Is it possible that this sequence of events could be attributed to operator error?
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: JoshA on January 26, 2015, 08:58:35 PM: Possible. Do you recomend pulling the trigger harder Tracker? ;D

In case you are being for real I would honestly say...

I don't think so. I was testing the 3 types of ammo with both guns. Only one gun had light strikes. Only one gun FTE. All with multiple types of fresh, quality ammo.

I was being fairly methodical as well.

Don't blame you for asking. I always start with the human error possibility when trying to troubleshoot for work especially when I know the guy I'm dealing with is a Bozo. You must know me better than I thought ;D
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: tracker on January 26, 2015, 09:52:24 PM: No offense but it takes one to know one.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: JoshA on January 26, 2015, 10:27:20 PM: Quote from: tracker on January 26, 2015, 09:52:24 PM

No offense but it takes one to know one.

Haha. Yep good call. I've probably made most of the mistakes to be made around here.

None taken whatsoever sir. Good to have someone to bounce stuff off of when trying to figure out issues. Getting offended over someone asking if i could be the problem wouldn't be helpful on my part.

Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: JoshA on January 27, 2015, 11:45:49 AM: Well Bob at Williams ran another 15 rounds and never experienced an issue.

3 types of ammo. All 115 grain and no problems. Hmmmm

Well he said that Rohrbaugh had an improved trigger bar that the hook pulled the hammer back a little further which he did install for the little stealth.

The other theory he and a fellow smithy had working was that considering the muzzle rise on such a small pistol it is possible that if I didn't grip it good enough it may have not cycled the slide properly and perhaps wasn't returning all the way forward.

At this point I think it remains a bit of a mystery.

I will get it back and do an occasional 2 mag test and see where we end up. The mag extension really helps! I highly recommend it.

Well so far I can definately say my 2 have been finicky, but it seems as though we are making progress towards reliability.

I think I will be much more aware of any mistakes I may be making.

I did mention that the other one needs to come back for repair again. They without question are sending a pickup box out tomorrow.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: JoshA on January 27, 2015, 11:46:12 AM: Well Bob at Williams ran another 15 rounds and never experienced an issue.

3 types of ammo. All 115 grain and no problems. Hmmmm

Well he said that Rohrbaugh had an improved trigger bar that the hook pulled the hammer back a little further which he did install for the little stealth.

The other theory he and a fellow smithy had working was that considering the muzzle rise on such a small pistol it is possible that if I didn't grip it good enough it may have not cycled the slide properly and perhaps wasn't returning all the way forward.

At this point I think it remains a bit of a mystery.

I will get it back and do an occasional 2 mag test and see where we end up. The mag extension really helps! I highly recommend it.

Well so far I can definately say my 2 have been finicky, but it seems as though we are making progress towards reliability.

I think I will be much more aware of any mistakes I may be making.

I did mention that the other one needs to come back for repair again. They without question are sending a pickup box out tomorrow.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: backupr9 on January 27, 2015, 04:47:11 PM: Take is apart and lube it when you get it back. I still use EEZOX and have simply had no problems with either R9, nor with my Seecamps and various other pistols and revolvers. Lube right, grip tight.
John
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: JoshA on January 27, 2015, 04:52:17 PM: Quote from: backupr9 on January 27, 2015, 04:47:11 PM
Take is apart and lube it when you get it back. I still use EEZOX and have simply had no problems with either R9, nor with my Seecamps and various other pistols and revolvers. Lube right, grip tight.
John

Will do Backup. I have a can of eezox I use regularly as well. Also, it will be 2 mags per outing per the doctor's instructions.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes
Post by: JoshA on February 05, 2015, 03:43:24 PM: Stealth is back.

Now to test fire it and see if I can reproduce the great results that Williams had with it.

Will post asap.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes/ it's back : ?
Post by: JoshA on February 16, 2015, 08:20:39 PM: Come on weather. Need some range time.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes/ it's back : ?
Post by: backupr9 on February 17, 2015, 08:56:03 AM: Patience my friend...brings to mind a favorite quote from the Bible, "It came to pass...".
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes/ it's back : ?
Post by: JoshA on February 17, 2015, 09:48:53 AM: Quote from: backupr9 on February 17, 2015, 08:56:03 AM
Patience my friend...brings to mind a favorite quote from the Bible, "It came to pass...".

Good call backup : )
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes/ it's back : ?
Post by: MRC on February 17, 2015, 09:55:53 AM: I am going to the indoor range today.

-Run a couple of mags through the Solo

-More testing with a XDs 45

-Try out a new to me Coonan 357 with a factory compensator (not really a good
indoor gun but, oh well)
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes/ it's back : ?
Post by: JoshA on February 17, 2015, 10:21:29 AM: Quote from: MRC on February 17, 2015, 09:55:53 AM
I am going to the indoor range today.

-Run a couple of mags through the Solo

-More testing with a XDs 45

-Try out a new to me Coonan 357 with a factory compensator (not really a good
indoor gun but, oh well)

Smart man. I should go to the indoor range this week.

You should consider the pierce +0 extension and talon grips for your XDS IMO MRC. I shoot mine 10-15% better with those two additions. I was surprised at the difference they made for me anyway.

Happy ear protecting with the .357. Haha
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes/ it's back : ?
Post by: JoshA on March 15, 2015, 08:40:46 PM: Going back again.

They installed a new trigger bar thingy I believe and it still is light striking and after 2 mags the hammer is not being actuated properly.

Well as they say... "Back to the drawing board" and "if at first you don't succeed try try again".

I'm sure there are other sayings that pertain to this situation, but I will leave well enough alone with those two ;D

We ought to know something more in a few weeks. I'm sure we will get this fixed. It seems like an easy fix IMO.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes/ it's back : ?
Post by: JoshA on April 18, 2015, 08:06:12 PM: Well I just got the stealth back and it barked out 12 of the silver tips for me.

These were what it struggled with most on the light strikes before the whole hammer failure.

This one has never failed to eject anything. Just some light strikes, so I'm encouraged to see it start out so well.

I will slowly and gently build some confidence it and then safe queen it as a backup to my 2 tone.

So far so good. Looks to be a winner. Good job Williams.
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes/ it's back : ?
Post by: MICHPATRIOT on April 23, 2015, 02:41:33 AM: Just curious..does this R9 have VZ grips? When I installed VZ grips on mine the trigger was sloppy and had a tiny bit of freeplay that might have gone easily un-noticed to some. Upon inspection the grip needed a little dremel work to match the stock Rohrbaugh grip at its thinnest area in the rear of the grip where the dished out area is at its thinnest near where the web of your hand rides..so the spring would act properly on the trigger bar...wonder how many light strikes are caused by VZ..My trigger acted sloppy and the trigger bar wouldnt reliably reset on the sear..I didn't shoot it with the VZ grips until I had taken out a fair amount of material..then they worked perfect..Disappointing to have to dremel on $75 G10 grips before they were useable.. :o
Title: Re: New R9 stealth : ) Shipped to williams for light strikes/ it's back : ?
Post by: JoshA on April 23, 2015, 09:12:32 AM: Quote from: MICHPATRIOT on April 23, 2015, 02:41:33 AM
Just curious..does this R9 have VZ grips? When I installed VZ grips on mine the trigger was sloppy and had a tiny bit of freeplay that might have gone easily un-noticed to some. Upon inspection the grip needed a little dremel work to match the stock Rohrbaugh grip at its thinnest area in the rear of the grip where the dished out area is at its thinnest near where the web of your hand rides..so the spring would act properly on the trigger bar...wonder how many light strikes are caused by VZ..My trigger acted sloppy and the trigger bar wouldnt reliably reset on the sear..I didn't shoot it with the VZ grips until I had taken out a fair amount of material..then they worked perfect..Disappointing to have to dremel on $75 G10 grips before they were useable.. :o

No they are a set of the blue carbon fibre grips. That being said it could have been due to a less than perfect grip.

In the end, if we have finally arrived at perfection I will say I'm happy.

It seems as though my 2 R9's and the 380 are humming like a sewing machine now.

Of course I need some more rounds through the stealth and 380 before I will know for sure, but they are seemingly doing great.

This whole hammer issue took place AFTER the grips were replaced; however it was light striking with the stock grips.

Thanks for sharing your experience. You may be on to something there.