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Title: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: DDGator on August 05, 2010, 10:10:14 PM: Check out this eBay auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290460831528&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

A Ron Graham elephant hide holster originally commissioned for our own Eric Rohrbaugh... Unfortunately, its for a Glock 17! ;)

I can vouch for the authenticity of this item -- it was made for, owned by, and used by Eric.

I was the first bidder, and will likely bid again.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: yankee2500 on August 05, 2010, 10:17:51 PM: Duane,
Very nice, I am a big fan of Graham holsters. You don't have to worry about me bidding my only Glock is a 19. I hope you get it.

John
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: DDGator on August 05, 2010, 10:27:16 PM: Don't worry about bidding against me -- I wouldn't have posted here if I was keeping it a secret. ;) If its meant to be, its meant to be. ;D
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Post by: Brenden on August 05, 2010, 11:12:13 PM: Nothing wrong with a G17!!

It's a nice holster for being used..

Good luck on it Duane!!
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Post by: kjtrains on August 05, 2010, 11:28:13 PM: Nice holster, Duane. Good luck!
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Post by: Richard S on August 06, 2010, 10:36:07 AM: Duane:

So youre the one I'm bidding against! Don't hold it against me, but this could get interesting. ;D
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Post by: kjtrains on August 06, 2010, 10:39:55 AM: Richard. Didn't even know you had a Glock. Excellent!
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on August 06, 2010, 11:00:26 AM: I don't, although I've been considering a Glock for a "truck gun." However, at a recent range session "Herself" shot a G17 carried by one of her court officers and liked it. I'm going to get one for her.
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Post by: kjtrains on August 06, 2010, 11:09:21 AM: Now that's a good idea. Like those Glocks!
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Post by: yankee2500 on August 06, 2010, 11:39:34 AM: I have 25 to 30 thousand rounds through my G-19, (over 20+ years) never had an issue other than a couple of FTFs that were dud rounds and just wouldn't fire.
I did put a new Wolf barrel on a couple of years ago, good as new.

John
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Post by: DDGator on August 06, 2010, 12:32:43 PM: Richard! That is pretty funny. ;D

The good news is that I am about out of steam on the bidding. Not that its not worth it -- I know that was pricey when new. Its just that I don't have a lot of use for such a nice "bar-b-que" holster for my G17. My 17 is an old Second Gen that is a great game gun. I never cared for the finger grooves on the newer frames -- they don't fit my fingers. I have a 19 for carry.

I hope you win the auction. I know your affinity for Graham hoslters, and it will be the perfect excuse to buy a Glock 17!
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on August 06, 2010, 03:08:02 PM: Duane:

Win or lose, it would appear that this faithful disciple of John Moses Browning is being dragged into the 21st Century. ;)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: DDGator on August 06, 2010, 04:41:48 PM: I have a love/hate thing with Glock.

I love the simplicity and the fact that they just plain work. Taking the Armorer's class last year really helped cement my appreciation of the platform.

I don't care for the looks. I don't like the whole "perfection" attitude either. Nor do I like that the Glock appears to be a cult favorite of gangsta rappers and such. I don't really care for the grip angle, but I get used to it.

That being said -- I have three of them. I have sold Glocks just to re-buy them again. The darn things just work.

Someone I know said it well. If I have to arm myself from my own safe, I will take a 1911. If I have to arm myself from your safe -- I will take a Glock. Good point.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on August 06, 2010, 06:52:06 PM: Duane:

I have a young friend who is a physical therapist and who helped me regain the use of my right arm after I had torn up my rotator cuff a few years ago. I used some of the boring hours required by repetitive exercises on the weights and pulleys to discuss the wonders of the 1911 dsesign. As a result, he purchased one and declared it to be his dream gun.

I happened to run into him at one of the local shopping malls a few weeks ago and asked him how he and his 1911 were doing. He stammered a bit before saying, "I've had a Glock epiphany."

My response was, "Say it isn't so!"

And now my little wife . . . ! ::)

Perhaps old dogs can learn a new trick or two. :-/

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Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Reinz on August 07, 2010, 02:34:09 AM: Like going from a BMW to F-150 :P

They both get the job done
but
one makes me limp.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on August 07, 2010, 09:52:49 AM: Quote
Like going from a BMW to F-150 :P

They both get the job done
but
one makes me limp.

Yes, and that reminds me that I probably should have one of those so-called "New York Safeties" installed on the G17 I get for Joyce. :-/
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on August 09, 2010, 11:10:53 AM: This was my lucky day! Joyce is going to have one beautiful Graham elephant-hide holster for that G17.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: yankee2500 on August 09, 2010, 11:19:39 AM: Richard,
Congratulations, I love the Graham Ostrich pocket holster I have for my pup.

John
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Post by: kjtrains on August 09, 2010, 11:28:31 AM: Quote
This was my lucky day! Joyce is going to have one beautiful Graham elephant-hide holster for that G17.

Congratulations Richard, for Joyce. I know she's going to really like that Graham. One fine holster, for sure!
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Post by: Dino on August 09, 2010, 01:55:02 PM: Congrats Richard beautiful holster!

Richard you could put a safety on the Glock or how about a New York trigger, it breaks around 8lbs and is easy to install?
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on August 09, 2010, 02:28:36 PM: Quote
Congrats Richard beautiful holster!

Richard you could put a safety on the Glock or how about a New York trigger, it breaks around 8lbs and is easy to install?

Thank you, Dino.

I was giving thought to either a "New York trigger" or a Cominolli Safety for her G17 since she is accustomed to a DAO or 1911 design.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: kjtrains on August 09, 2010, 03:53:14 PM: That Cominolli safety sounds good. If Massad Ayoob likes it, it has to be good. :)
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Post by: Dino on August 09, 2010, 04:57:41 PM: I agree and feel better knowing she already is familiar with a safety.

My wife was issued a S&W 65 when she was in law enforcement and is still very much commited to revolvers.

I just can't get her to carry a Glock or anything else for that matter. So it's a Ruger LCR and a J frame for her.

However she loves to shoot just abut anything I put in her hand at the range.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: DDGator on August 10, 2010, 11:03:00 AM: Nice grab, Richard. I am sure the holster sold for more than that when new.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on August 10, 2010, 03:11:14 PM: Quote
Nice grab, Richard. I am sure the holster sold for more than that when new.

Thanks, Duane. There was another bidder who placed a number of bids. Anyway, I was prepared to go where he wanted to take it. Toward the end, I doubled down and activated one-click bidding in case there was a final "bidding frenzy" or what the eBay community calls a "sniper" [last-minute bidder] lurking in the bushes. ;D
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Post by: Richard S on August 12, 2010, 04:26:02 PM: Well . . . this morning I laid my money down and my FFL ordered a Glock G17 (Generation 4), with delivery expected next Tuesday. Then it's immediately off by FedEx Overnight for some of Teddy Jacobson's "magic" and the installation of a "N.Y.1" trigger.

A Gen4 G17 upgraded by TJ and wrapped in a Ron Graham elephant-hide holster. . . I think my little wife is going to love this rig!

And thanks to Tracker, Duane, and Eric for the valuable advice and assistance in getting this old 1911-type started on the right path into the complex and mysterious "Land of Glockdom." 8)

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Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: DDGator on August 12, 2010, 04:47:07 PM: Richard -- I recently look the Glock Armorer's course. I am one of the least mechanically inclined people I know -- and I could understand, disassemble, reassemble and fix any Glock after about 4 of the 7 hours of instruction. You gotta appreciate that kind of engineering -- even if it is ugly.
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Post by: Brenden on August 12, 2010, 04:58:05 PM: Very nice being able to do that Richard!!

The G17 is a fine gun,and being a Glock is nearly indestructible!!

I carry a G26 on a regular basis,and never worry about it going bang!!

Kinda like the Pup!!! ;)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: kjtrains on August 12, 2010, 05:35:27 PM: Quote
Well . . . this morning I laid my money down and my FFL ordered a Glock G17 (Generation 4), with delivery expected next Tuesday. Then it's immediately off by FedEx Overnight for some of Teddy Jacobson's "magic" and the installation of a "N.Y.1" trigger.

A Gen4 G17 upgraded by TJ and wrapped in an elephant-hide holster. . . I think my little wife is going to love this rig!

And thanks to Tracker, Duane, and Eric for the valuable advice and assistance in getting this old 1911-type started on the right path into the complex and mysterious "Land of Glockdom." 8)

Once again, congrats Richard. The Glock is one fine gun. I certainly enjoy the Glock 33. It keeps right on going. I'm sure Joyce will be proud, for sure. :)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Aglifter on August 12, 2010, 08:41:22 PM: I hate glocks, despise them... Own, carry, and have written bad poetry about several, though... :-[

They work, and they take abuse, and I'll never shed a tear over a scratch, or scuff, or rust spot, or anything else... My nice guns, which I love to carry, I take off before I get into something... I just leave the Glocks in their plastic holsters to go along...
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Post by: Reinz on August 13, 2010, 12:55:07 PM: I don't hate Glocks, they have their place.

I wear mine when I'm in the woods as a backup to my long gun.
That way I could give a rip if it gets scratched up, beat up, muddied up or even gets blood on it - hell it's a Glock.

If it was one of my Smith's, Wilsons, or Baer's I'd have a coronary!
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on August 13, 2010, 01:56:37 PM: One thing I've learned from all of this is that I should never say "never." My affinity for carbon fiber, stainless steel, aircraft aluminum, chrome, ivory, sterling silver and such is well documented on the Forum. Who would have thought that my own little wife would provide the impetus for my entry into the world of what one of my old acquaintences used to call, "The Black Guns." ;D
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Post by: kjtrains on August 13, 2010, 02:25:17 PM: Richard. Now you will have to get a Glock of your own. I know the wife will let you borrow it once in a while, or will she? ;) I'll say she will; just nice to have yours! :D
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on August 13, 2010, 02:48:02 PM: Quote
Richard. Now you will have to get a Glock of your own. I know the wife will let you borrow it once in a while, or will she? ;) I'll say she will; just nice to have yours! :D

I could say "never," but I just learned not to say that -- so I'll just say, "maybe."

That Subcompact Slimline .45 ACP G36 did look interesting as an indestructible "truck gun." ;)
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Post by: Dino on August 13, 2010, 02:58:38 PM: Richard my son has just that gun and loves it. I shot it a number of times and the recoil is very manageable.

I have a 32c that I keep in my car and turned my 22 into a race gun.

I do love Golcks.
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Post by: tracker on August 13, 2010, 03:26:42 PM: I also own the G36 and love it. I was very surprised at the accuracy. ACP, as I recall, also owns of those.
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Post by: Reinz on August 13, 2010, 04:46:13 PM: Richard - I have to agree with your feelings about "never".

When I was younger I saw no use for engraving and thought it gaudy. And thought I would never want or own an engraved gun.

Now I enjoy, appreciate, admire other's and even own such.
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Post by: kjtrains on August 13, 2010, 09:44:35 PM: Just thinking about it, I used to think the Glock was very undesirable to look at and then decided I wanted a .357 Sig. Then with some helpful advice from tracker, Dino, and ACP, the deal was sealed for the Glock 33.

Never have regretted it one bit. That thing spit out a box of 50 in nothing flat as I had preloaded 4 mags; did have to reload mags, of course. The ammo was Federal UMC which was the only ammo I could find at the time.

The 33 didn't mind whatsoever the name that was on the box. Now this is one fun gun to shoot. :)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Reinz on August 15, 2010, 01:48:39 AM: Quote
Now this is one fun gun to shoot. :)

That's what it is all about! ;)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on August 15, 2010, 07:27:54 PM: Just returned home from Critter Creek to find the Ron Graham elephant-hide holster waiting. It's absolutely beautiful. Also received notice that the G17 will be ready to collect on Tuesday morning. Photos to follow before the Glock heads off to Texas for some of TJ's magic.
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Post by: kjtrains on August 15, 2010, 08:08:55 PM: Very good Richard. Sounds like you have an adventure of your own going on. Congrats again on the Graham holster.
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Post by: Richard S on August 17, 2010, 11:31:08 AM: As promised, photographs of "Herself's" new Glock G17 (Generation 4) wrapped in Eric's elephant-hide holster by Ron Graham:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/aug1701.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/aug1702.jpg)

The project is coming together. 8)
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Post by: kjtrains on August 17, 2010, 11:33:25 AM: Richard. I'm sure Herself is proud, for sure! Nice.
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Post by: theirishguard on August 17, 2010, 11:58:09 AM: Richard, Nice looking under the robes carry rig for HERSELF ;D Tom
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Post by: Brenden on August 17, 2010, 02:01:44 PM: Very nice,as usual,Richard!!!
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Post by: Richard S on August 17, 2010, 08:20:09 PM: Thank you, Gentlemen!

The rest of the project involves "internal refinements."
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Post by: Reinz on August 17, 2010, 08:24:01 PM: Nice!

Thanks for the great pics.

What a treat for Herself. ;)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on September 13, 2010, 11:12:31 AM: Project complete! My wife's Glock Gen4 G17 has now been upgraded by Teddy Jacobson ("Actions by T"), who gave it a complete action job, polished the breechface and feed ramp, polished and contoured the chamber, modified all engagements including the extractor, and installed a "New York Trigger #2" with a Wolff trigger spring. The action of this G17 is now as smooth as glass, and it has a silky trigger pull that breaks crisply at the requested 7-1/2 pounds.

Joyce finally has a primary weapon of the type she found she could shoot most accurately. With Eric's elephant-hide holster made by Ron Graham, she now has a rig she can carry with great pride as well as complete confidence. (And the Seecamp .32 with old ivory grips that she "requisitioned" ::) from my gun safe can now assume its proper role as her backup gun.)

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Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: kjtrains on September 13, 2010, 11:20:05 AM: Excellent completion, Richard. I'm sure your wife is pleased!
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Post by: Dino on September 13, 2010, 11:34:43 AM: Great job Richard!

You might as well sell me that Seacamp! I'll give it a good home, don't forget the box please.
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Post by: theirishguard on September 13, 2010, 11:59:15 AM: Richard, it's always good to keep HERSELF happy. ;D Tom
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Post by: DDGator on September 13, 2010, 12:35:08 PM: Richard -- I though Teddy semi-retired five or more years ago? Is he still taking new work and turning it around that quick?
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on September 13, 2010, 01:52:30 PM: Duane:

I was fortunate in having a mutual friend who was willing to provide me with an introduction -- for which I am extremely grateful.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Brenden on September 13, 2010, 03:02:28 PM: I was wondering about that myself(the Jacobson action)I always have "something" that can be made better from such a gentleman!!

Very nice set up Richard!! 8)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable? Sort of?
Post by: Richard S on September 13, 2010, 07:08:16 PM: Quote
Great job Richard!

You might as well sell me that Seacamp! I'll give it a good home, don't forget the box please.

Dino:

The only time I get to handle that Seecamp is to clean it following range sessions. I'm then expected to return it forthwith and post haste. I think I'll let you handle the negotiations. ;)
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Post by: Dino on September 14, 2010, 10:24:46 AM: I understnad Richard.... and I think I'll pass on that.
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Post by: cooperr1234 on September 14, 2010, 10:52:32 AM: Thats a real nice holster there....
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Post by: Richard S on September 14, 2010, 11:36:00 AM: Update: I presented the rig to Joyce last night. Her eyes widened, she took a deep breath, and then said something rather personal. Next, she read through the owner's manual and studied TJ's list of upgrades. Then she removed the pistol from Eric's elephant-hide holster, racked the slide to lock, insuring that the pistol was unloaded, dropped the empty magazine, released the slide, looked around the room for a "target," selected one of my trophies on the wall, sighted the pistol, and dry fired it. When that silken trigger broke crisply at 7-1/2 pounds, a big smile crossed her face and she again said something rather personal.

"Happy wife, happy life." 8)

I've now loaded three magazines with Winchester Supreme Elite PDX1 +P 124-grain JHPs and it's off to the range this weekend.

And thus endeth the story, with my thanks to all who provided advice and assistance. (Now, if I can just figure out a suitable follow up for Christmas . . . .)
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Post by: tracker on September 14, 2010, 12:15:04 PM: That may be the beginning of that love story.
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Post by: kjtrains on September 14, 2010, 12:19:44 PM: Richard. You did well. I knew Herself would be pleased! :)
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Post by: birdman on September 14, 2010, 03:41:44 PM: Beautiful holster, beautiful photography and a beautiful wife! What more could a man ask for? Congratulations Richard. Gene
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Post by: Richard S on September 26, 2010, 07:13:50 PM: Update:

For any of you purchasing a Generation 4 Glock, I can now confirm that the following Pearce Grip Frame Insert (sometimes called a "backstrap plug") fits the Gen4 G17:

[size=10]GLOCK Mid and Full Size model Grip Frame Insert. This unit installs in the bottom rear cavity of the frame utilizing the lanyard hole for retention. Fits Glock Models 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 31, 32, 34, 35, 37, 38
Part No. PG-GFI[/size]

I had been told by one who claimed to know that the Gen4 would not accept some of the after-market backstrap plugs made for earlier generation models. However, the above-described Pearce Grip Frame Insert, one of which I just received by mail, snapped perfectly into my wife's Gen4 G17.

http://www.pearcegrip.com/glock_pricing.htm
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh collectable?  Sort of?
Post by: kjtrains on September 26, 2010, 07:52:57 PM: Good info, Richard. I noticed on the link that grip extensions were offered for the Glock 33 adding grip length. Good to know! Thanks!