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Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: Ljutic on June 28, 2012, 04:07:39 PM
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So far, I like it.
http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/06/sig-sauer-p938-sneak-peek-at-my-first.html (http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/06/sig-sauer-p938-sneak-peek-at-my-first.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/BDSBruce/Blog%20Photos/e86804a8.jpg)
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Me likes! :)
If it runs like their 380, it should blow the Kimber Solo out of the water!
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+1 from me.
Nice looking Sig!
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She's a looker! Are those G10 grips?
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She's a looker! Are those G10 grips?
Yes they are. Made by Hogue for Sig. I'm not overly fond of them, but they aren't as bad as the set installed on photo gun on Sigs website. I've asked VZ if they plan to make G10 grips in the Frag pattern. A set of those in black and I will be all set.
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Me likes! :)
If it runs like their 380, it should blow the Kimber Solo out of the water!
It ilooks like a fun gun to own and shoot, but it is still single action and I am not ready to carry a pistol that size "Cocked and Locked" especially in my pocket. I will keep my Solo. JMO
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I'm Picking my 938 up this afternoon. ;D
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I'm Picking my 938 up this afternoon. ;D
You will love it. I did the first part of the review last night and updated the blog. Probably best if you didn't watch it since I don't want to ruin the surprises.
I'm doing the cocked and locked pocket carry thing with a full mag and an empty chamber today just to see if the unthinkable happens. The safety detent is quite strong so I would be very surprised if it moved, but we'll just see what happens. I'm not advocating pocket carry for the 938, but I think people will ask about it as part of the review.
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I'm doing the cocked and locked pocket carry thing with a full mag and an empty chamber today just to see if the unthinkable happens. The safety detent is quite strong so I would be very surprised if it moved, but we'll just see what happens. I'm not advocating pocket carry for the 938, but I think people will ask about it as part of the review.
I'll look forward to reading your report.
Back in the day when the single-action Colt Mustang was my EDC, its lack of a grip safety combined with my extreme concern for the "family jewels" ( :o ) persuaded me not to carry it in Condition One. A beaver-tail grip safety makes all the difference for me in that regard, and my 1911 is always carried cocked and locked.
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Back in the day when the single-action Colt Mustang was my EDC, its lack of a grip safety combined with my extreme concern for the "family jewels" ( :o ) persuaded me not to carry it in Condition One. A beaver-tail grip safety makes all the difference for me in that regard, and my 1911 is always carried cocked and locked.
I went through a similar epiphany with the Pocket-lite. Started out with C&L then changed over to hammer down and locked. Finally just swapped it out for something else.
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Back in the day when the single-action Colt Mustang was my EDC, its lack of a grip safety combined with my extreme concern for the "family jewels" ( :o ) persuaded me not to carry it in Condition One. A beaver-tail grip safety makes all the difference for me in that regard, and my 1911 is always carried cocked and locked.
I went through a similar epiphany with the Pocket-lite. Started out with C&L then changed over to hammer down and locked. Finally just swapped it out for something else.
I loved my Mustang but never carried it. It prompted me to buy a Pony Pocketlite and then on to a Pocket Nine. Both good guns with bad triggers. My Gunsmith got in touch with Teddy Jacobson about trigger jobs which he declined to do. He told us that in his opinion the hammers on both guns were too light in weight to drive the friring pin if the spring was any lighter. I believe him.
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I got a chance to get out to the range today and shake out the 938. It appears that my results were slightly different than Yankee's.
http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/06/sig-sauer-p938-review-and-range-time.html (http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/06/sig-sauer-p938-review-and-range-time.html)
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Thorough review.
I hope you work out he trigger pinching issue. You may need to Dremel the sharp edge?
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Good review, glad I didn't have the trigger finger issue. :D
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Final Review update is up on the blog along with two more videos. I'm 50/50 as a beta tester and this one falls into the bad half. Let's hope Sig can get it squared away on the first trip home.
http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/07/sig-sauer-p938-review-final-thoughts.html (http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/07/sig-sauer-p938-review-final-thoughts.html)
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That doesn't sound good for an $809 MSRP pistol. Thanks for your review and post.
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So far no issues with mine, I haven't gotten into a large variety of ammo yet (it's been 100 degrees every day since I got it) I did put another 25 rounds of Blazer Aluminum through it yesterday. 8)
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I stumbled upon my P938 at the local Academy Sports yesterday. $699 8)
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I got mime off GunBroker for $690 shipped.
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I got mine back from service with a sweet 5 lb. trigger job. Unfortunately, it still FTEs about 10% of the time. Looks like a 2nd trip back to Exeter is in the pistol's future.
http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/07/sig-sauer-p938-review-part-4-back-from.html (http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/07/sig-sauer-p938-review-part-4-back-from.html)
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It's not one I intend to purchase, but for anyone interested here is another source that just appeared in my inbox:
http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-sauer-p938/
[Edit: Improved link.]
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That's a better price than I paid. Top Gun is where my extra mags came from. Super quick ship and nice to deal with.
Sig CS is taking the pistol back a second time after viewing my video and apparently reading my post on the Sig forum that I've attached below. The conversation today was so much different than the conversation we had on Monday when I posted the message below. Hopefully, my inconvenience will help other owners down the road.
"I did call earlier today and have to say the customer service situation has changed dramatically. I think I've gotten the same CS Rep for all three of my calls. Normally, he's very nice and helpful. He listened again today and looked up my information. Then the change came.
All this time, the FTEs have been my problem because I'm using Win White box 115 FMJ, Federal Champion 115 Grain FMJ, and Remington UMC 115 Grain JHP. The gun is fine, it's the ammo that's the problem! At this point I think I threw up in my mouth a bit. I was really hoping they weren't going to play the "must use premium ammo" card on the FTE problems, but it came out today. I did mention that the manual doesn't say anything about not using 115 grain ammo that costs less than $20 per box. He just kept pushing me toward Speer Lawman for practice. If ammo is the identified problem, why wouldn't they have included something about that when my pistol was returned from service last Thursday?
The next card in the "let's make excuses" deck is the operator error (aka limp wristing) card. He pulled that one too.
He completed the excuse tri-fecta of "gun makers that have problems that they have no idea how to fix", with the statistics that 90% of the 938s being returned are test fired by the smiths and no problems are found so they are returned without fixing anything.
I can see where this is going and I had really hoped it wouldn't end up this way. Sig has found 2 varieties of ammo that work wonderfully with the gun. Some nameless 100 Grain frangible and Winchester 147 Grain Ranger T. They test with that ammo. The CS Rep flat out told me that Sig does not have any Win or Federal 115 Grain FMJ or Rem/UMC 115 Grain JHP in their testing ammo stocks. That makes no sense to me since these are probably some of the most widely available and commonly used practice rounds. Since they don't have the "problem" ammo, they can't replicate the FTE issues. According to the CS Rep, if the smiths can't replicate the problem, they can't fix it. Not sure where your average shooter is supposed to find LE boxes of Winchester Ranger T's in 147 Grain. I don't remember ever seeing frangible ammo on the shelf of any local ammo retailer. I do know that Sig could drop in any local Sports or Mass Retailer and locate some of that Federal, Winchester, or Remington/UMC problem ammo.
I took the high road. I didn't lose my cool. I asked for a contact email address so I could send him a link to the testing video from this weekend. He said he would let the Smiths review it and he would get back to me on a path forward. That was hours ago, but I'll let it go until Wednesday and I will call them back and have them issue another return authorization."
I'll let you know how the second trip home turns out if you guys are still interested.
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Hornady and Sig seem to have a few things in common; they try to fix the blame instead of the problem. Additionally, they were both first rate companies with superior products. Now, it seems that their primary strength lies in the fine art of self justification.
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Since we're kinda' talkin' about imperfections
in pistols........has anyone heard of the 1911-
ISPT (Idiot Scratch Prevention Tool)?
When you reassemble the 1911 by locking
the slide back in place on the frame, you
can (will) scratch the frame in the process.
Heres the cure:http://www.idiotscratch.com/buy-now.shtml (http://www.idiotscratch.com/buy-now.shtml)
They make one for the P238 as well as other
models but not the P938, at least not yet.
Worth an eMail to anyone interested.
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Since we're kinda' talkin' about imperfections
in pistols........has anyone heard of the 1911-
ISPT (Idiot Scratch Prevention Tool)?
When you reassemble the 1911 by locking
the slide back in place on the frame, you
can (will) scratch the frame in the process.
Heres the cure:http://www.idiotscratch.com/buy-now.shtml (http://www.idiotscratch.com/buy-now.shtml)
They make one for the P238 as well as other
models but not the P938, at least not yet.
Worth an eMail to anyone interested.
Interesting. And here I've been using duct tape for that purpose all these years.
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Here is something you can do that will solve the problem and require no extra baggage while reassembling the gun.
It's called the Log Man Mod, I'm having it done on my Custom 1911 while it's at the shop.
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=214653
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I just live with the inevitable scratch. If JMB wasn't concerned, then I'm not either. ;D
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It looks like something that could be made
using an old credit card and a drill bit plus
an exacto knife. It wouldn't cost anything
to try.
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Ok, I take that back. From this day forward, I will add a used Fender ultra-lite guitar pick to my cleaning kit and promise to use it ever time I clean my 1911-like pistols that may be idiot marked. I may even throw a pick in my range bag too.
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You know now that you mention it, I had
an old friend that served in the army and
I think he mentioned something about
using a guitar pick.
I've been enjoying your Youtube target
practice, BTW.
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I've been enjoying your Youtube target
practice, BTW.
Thanks Bill. I'm getting more comfortable doing them now. I just wish it would rain and cool off a bit so I can get back to ballistics testing.
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I must say I'm impressed with your shooting skill.
Especially with such small guns. Editing out the
footage of you walking around on the range would
I think improve your videos just a bit.
I must ask, why the fasination with the DB9? Or
am I reading you wrong?
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Especially with such small guns. Editing out the
footage of you walking around on the range would
I think improve your videos just a bit.
I must ask, why the fasination with the DB9? Or
am I reading you wrong?
The DB9 1 year follow up review was intentionally long and left unedited because the pistol has received a bad reputation (justifiably so in many cases, but not all) for being unreliable. No edits means no tricks to hide reliability issues with feeding, firing, or extraction. 99 out of 100 was legitimate. I agree that it's way too long for what it is, but how else could you show the whole story?
Why I am fascinated by the DB9? There is no other 9mm out on the market that can compare to the DB9's size, weight, and width. I was also one of the first to review it so I've got a bit of vested interest in seeing if my predictions about the DB9, from June 2011, will come true or not.
I hope the videos continue to get better as I go. I'm currently up to running 3 cameras on some shoots and managing all 3 by myself. I'm actually pretty amazed I can hit anything most of the time with all the distractions about where to stand and trying to remember if all the cameras were filming before I started shooting.
Why am I fascinated by pocket 9's and other pocket guns in general? I have no idea. I just am. Maybe that will change some day, but for right now I'm enjoying myself.
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At twice the price and twice the apparent quality of the DB9 I think I'll stick with the R9.
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At twice the price and twice the apparent quality of the DB9 I think I'll stick with the R9.
I stuck with my R9 too. No sense getting rid of something that I've come to appreciate. I will say that I have over 1200 rounds through my DB9 and all I've changed is the mag springs for extra power replacements. I've had the R9 longer, but only have 200 through it so I just completed my first recoil spring change. Also the R9 is closer to 3x the price of the DB9 than it is to 2x the price.
Back on topic......my Sig should be back at some point next week. ;D
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Me likes! :)
If it runs like their 380, it should blow the Kimber Solo out of the water!
It ilooks like a fun gun to own and shoot, but it is still single action and I am not ready to carry a pistol that size "Cocked and Locked" especially in my pocket. I will keep my Solo. JMO
"Cocked and locked" in your pocket - an accident in the making
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"Cocked and locked" in your pocket - an accident in the making.
. . . an accident that could literally eliminate the "family jewels" a well as giving one a permanent limp. :o
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"Cocked and locked" in your pocket - an accident in the making.
. . . an accident that could literally eliminate the "family jewels" a well as giving one a permanent limp. :o
a 1911 design is a military pistol - it needs a holster - and they were only cocked and locked on the battlefield.