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Miscellaneous => The Water Cooler -- General Discussions => Topic started by: Calvin Cooledge on March 25, 2006, 04:47:37 PM
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With apologies to Tom Petty and his fans everywhere, I offer up this morsel for you to digest. This is typed directly from today's Atlanta Journal & Constitution and it has been edited for brevity.
Feel free to move to Georgia. Enjoy!
Your pal,
Boy Georgia
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Georgians would be free to shoot muggers, carjackers, and other attackers without fear of being prosecuted or sued under a NRA-backed bill that won final legislative approval Friday.
Called the 'stand your ground' bill by supporters and the 'shoot first' measure by opponents, Senate Bill 396 is patterned on a law enacted last year in Florica and is similar to measures sweeping through legislatures in at least 15 other states.
The Georgia House approved the bill 115-42 on Friday, after the Senate approved it last month. It now goes to Gov. Sonny Perdue, who is expected to sign it into law.
The bill extends Georgians' right to use deadly force to defend themselves, now restricted to a person's home and car, to public places such as parks, sidewalks, and parking lots. The bill requires that the person justify that they were at risk of serious bodily injury or death. It also indicates that citizens have no duty to retreat if attacked, a matter upon which the law is currently silent...
Andrew Arulanandam, Director of Public Affairs for the NRA, said the bill was sound public policy. "All it does is provide victims of crime an option to either stand their ground and defend themselves and their loved ones or retreat," Arulanandam said. "We believe it is important that the law be on the side of victims rather than criminals."
OK, now Steve is talking (that'd be me;^)
I couldn't type the whole article, but I almost could not believe that this bill actually passed. I was SURE that it would be defeated, but much to my surprise and delight, I was WRONG! You heard it here first, Steve has admitted that he is wrong on something. That's almost as good as this bill being passed! At least the leaders of our State realize that most of us believe in freedom. I give them credit for listening.
Ya'll be good, now.
Steve
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Good on you Georgia guys.
I live in Michigan, which is a shall-issue state. Even Ohio has finally seen the light. Illinois (home state of Hillary Clinton), New Jersey, & New York (adopted state of the Clintons) - forget about defending yourself. Just read an article in the paper about Mayor Bloomberg of NYC saying that guns are flooding into wonderful N.Y. from states like Pennsylvania where guns are readily available. Governor Corzine of New Jersey snivels the same clap trap.
Do they ever look at the crime rate in "shall-issue" states and conclude they are blaming the wrong people? Nah! Just mention the word "gun" to Bloomberg, Corzine, Daly and you immediatly notice the smell of a runny tummy. Can you imagine those guys in charge if - when - the next terror attack hits.
Sorry for the rant, but our thinking of our good fortune in living in enlightened states makes me feel really bad for those who don't.
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This all gives me hope that the trend will continue thru other states.
IMO it is necessary - and for sure the one thing that really yanks my chain is the thought of some scumbag or his family, feeling they can sue me in civil court! If a BG is killed or injured and it is deemed a good SD shoot then all bets are off re litigation - the perp has (should have) his rights cancelled on that score - and so too by default his family.
I just cringe at the cases where ''loving lil' Billy'' - the son who was so wonderful, decided to go rob a five and dime, shoot the clerk but then get a bullet from another employee. After which he and or his family, file suit against the legitimate defender, possibly ruining his life.
Sorry - rant getting better of me!
[size=13] but our thinking of our good fortune in living in enlightened states makes me feel really bad for those who don't.[/size]
Steve - 10:4 on that - I am constantly almost in despair for some of our fellow Americans in some areas. Where is the level playing field I wonder. :(
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TX will hopefully get a protection from civil suits eventually, otherwise we're pretty pro-gun...Shudder's in horror of the idea of an election between and anti-gun RINO and the Creature known as Billary...
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I've heard it said that the experienced street punks and convicted criminals really don't fear the law or prison all that much. They know the ropes and what they can do to deal with the "knowns". What is feared more is a CCW citizen with a little training. We don't have the training and the repetition of "testing circumstances" that LEOs have...thus, less restraint. IMO, if a "stand your ground" statute existed here in Ohio, a significant drop in attacks outdide of the home might well occur. I'd sure like to find out.....even down here in good. old backward Ohio...Mr.SSlater. I know....we deserve it. Brian
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TX will hopefully get a protection from civil suits eventually, otherwise we're pretty pro-gun...Shudder's in horror of the idea of an election between and anti-gun RINO and the Creature known as Billary...
You mean the Hildebeast? Hillarious Clinton?
I think that the bad guys better get in all their badness now while they can. Once Uncle Sonny signs the law into effect it's curtains for the criminals...
Jim and Jane Curtain
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IMO,
The "Castle Doctrine" will sweep the country.as the "shall issue" laws have!! 8)
As they are passed,some will be "better" than others-main thing is that they get PASSED..
Over time,bit by bit,we will gain.. ;D
MI has the "Castle Doctrine" law being thrown about at this time,with any luck.we will be # 4!!
After our shall issue law passed,dire predictions were stated-NONE occured,and over time a few things have improved in the law!! :)
We will prevail,if we pay attention to who we elect!! :o
Brenden
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The south rises again with common sense laws that protect their citizens, I hope it spreads northward! :-/
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Many of us would certainly welcome that, Newt. By the way, I really like that holster. Thanks again.
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While I will admit that I am not qualified to speak on this matter, It has never hindered me in the past. :D
The surviving BG would not likely *sue*, if The BG was required to pay a filing fee of some type, or pay up front to the Attorney to start the suit. In UK the loser of a suit pays all court costs, this would help as well.
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Congratulations to the Georgia legislature!
Tennessee's "Stand Your Ground" Bill was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee last week and now goes to the Senate Calendar Committee.
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Thanks Hedrok, glad it worked for you! 8)
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If not posted previously, just to let you know, Florida passed the castle law last year. Oh the press predicted all kinds of killings and mayhem. One group even printed up posters for the tourist telling them to be careful or they could get shot in Florida.
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yah, the Bradies :P
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Georgia has passed it-Awaiting Govs signature..
Way to go!! ;D
http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=2106
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Congratulations to the fine people in Georgia.
Bill
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I wish NY would take the hint! Living part time in both VA & NY is like night & day.
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Besides all the pro-gun, anti-gun discussions how do
you guys figure N.Y. City has such a low violent crime
rate for a metropolitan area with such a high population?
BTW, I am in your camp.
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Here are some recent figures...
Judge as we can...
Looks like 04 is about the most recent..
http://www.morganquitno.com/met04a.pdf
I have walked Brooklyn NY at night,I know I would not want to do so again..
Have done the same in Detroit-At least I could legally be armed.. ;)
I cannot "splain" the #s, anymore than I can explain why gas prices just went up 20 cents-again!! ;) :o
Brenden
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I'm inclined to attribute much of the improvement in New York City's crime rate to the law-enforcement policies instituted by former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani during his tenure. Here is one link to an unofficial source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Giuliani#Crime_control
http://www.whitehouse.gov/fsbr/crime.html
And this is another interesting link on nationwide trends issued by the White House:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/fsbr/crime.html
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Looks like the new NYC mayor wants to change things, by not putting bad guys in jail for a long time and go after gun dealers and other states.
Tom
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Looks like the new NYC mayor wants to change things, by not putting bad guys in jail for a long time and go after gun dealers and other states.
Tom
Yes, it does. Some people never learn.
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Mississippi just signed "Castle Doctrine" into law!!! ;D
Way to go!!! 8)
Brenden
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Mississippi just signed "Castle Doctrine" into law!!! ;D
Way to go!!! 8)
Brenden
You know, common sense isn't all that common. If it were,
more people would have it;^)
This is a clear cut case that had no defense (gun pun?); a person
can't be expected to only protect themselves sometimes. If we're
gonna be in charge of our destinies, then darn it, let us be in charge!
It's one big DUH!
I think the final straw for all was realizing our government cannot
be everything to all people and was never meant to be. New Orleans
showed us that chaos could rule, if we let it. Perhaps this is our return
to polite society again. Who'da thunk it?
Steve
PS-I was told a really long time ago (perhaps it was a Tuesday;^), that the Soviets NEVER considered invading the USA because we were all armed to the teeth and they could never defeat us. I kind of admire that common sense thinking...
Steve
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I heard it was the Japanese who decided not to invade the U.S. West Coast because of all the weapons in the hands of the "well regulated militia".
The Japanese could invade San Francisco now that those 'sheeple' have voted to outlaw privately owned guns.
Some people really never learn... >:(
The other Steve
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MO doing the castle doctrine too.. ;D
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060406/NEWS01/604060370
And it GROWS... 8)
Brenden
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Go MICHIGAN....
Uphill without some support!!!
http://by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg?curmbox=00000000%2d0000%2d0000%2d0000%2d000000000001&a=4d5d878dfd57326716d48d9e5b6439e5d7dc52f0e5f1eabb19bdf8241ccddddb&msg=E08A7700-DFCE-4219-A459-EE4EFE5985AA&ShowImages=1&AddToSafeList=1
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Having lived on Long Island all my life (40 miles from Manhattan) I thank all of you who feel my pain. Mayor Gulliani cleaned up the big city by enforcing the laws on the books. I saw a drastic change for the better under his administration. Now I fear we are going back to it's those evil guns that are killing people so we have to stop those guns. By the way, how did we end up with Hilary??
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She is a reverse carpet bagger with residual
fodder from bill. What we need to figure out
is how to send her packing back to her origin.
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One needs to expose her for what she is................
Tom
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Good news today - Idaho has passed Castle Doctrine.
The march of progress continues - want to see that in PA now and other states too.
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Michigan go's forward..
http://Michigan "Castle Doctrine" Package Moving Forward!Your Help Is Needed! This week the House Judiciary Committee passed HB 5142, sponsored by Representative Tom Casperson (R-108), HB 5143, sponsored by Representative Rick Jones (R-71), HB 5153, sponsored by Representative Leslie Mortimer (R-65), and HB 5548, sponsored by Representative Tim Moore (R-97), which make up the important "Castle Doctrine" package. This legislative package will help the citizens of Michigan by clarifying the rights and duties of self-defense and the defense of others within ones home and/or occupied vehicle and provide immunity from civil liability for self-defense actions. The "Castle Doctrine" package is scheduled to be heard by the full House on Tuesday, April 25. Please contact your State Representative and ask him or her to support HB 5142, HB5143, HB 5153, and HB 5548 as passed by the House Judiciary Committee. The general phone number to the House of Representatives is (517) 373-0135. If you need help identifying your State Representative please use the "Write your Representatives" feature at www.nraila.org/.
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I'm pretty excited about this one, and have sent several emails.
Bill
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In general; I am of the sort that has had enough real world; Real Bad Confrontation(S) to last a lifetime. That being said, I assure you that any of us hopefully still "Sane Folk" out here, that know what they are talking about would "Much rather ease or believe you me; RUN our way (& OUR LOVED ONES...) out of a bad situation, than have to raise the uses & levels of force to far, far, above comfortable & easily forgotten levels..!" Don't get me wrong; I will shoot someone in a heartbeat if they're in desperate need of it (i.e. - no other option is presented, but I will drag "My ***", and my Loved ones along with me FIRST; (running if necessary!) to avoid such an unpleasant repeat of events for me, not to mention something I would wish my Loved ones the opportunity to NEVER have to witness, ever..! (Cowardly some may say; Damn smart would others likely say; (meaning those of us out there that already know "real life is not like a movie..!) Take this statement for what it is; I dunno, just had to get out my .02 cents worth.
(PS): My appologies for the need to (**) my colorful language; I'll remember this is a family friendly site, and try to express myself accordingly in future; I hope not to have offended anyone prior to the "purging" of uncalled for language.
Eric
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Eric,
I agree. It's far better to take off as quickly as possible.
Bill
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Castle Doctrine for Michigan. This is a good thing!
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I've often thought of the propensity to not shoot, because of overwhelming concerns about lawsuits and all the trouble that will come from the incident.
I'm sure many police officers have lost their lives because they waited too long.
If it is the absolute last resort, then we should be able to shoot with impunity.
Bill
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Bill - I had a fund-raising call today from NRA - and made a small donation.
This is to do with their ongoing pressure to get Castle Doctrine spread to as many states as possible. He said they are trying to push this in 17 other states currently. I asked him if PA was on that list and it is - I certainly want to see it here.
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Thanks, Chris. I sincerely hope you will have it in Pennsylvania.
I'm on my first year's membership with the NRA and remain very impressed with all they have done.
I'm pretty mad about telephone marketing in general, but certainly am a big NRA fan. I think the hoodlums are less apt to bother us, and we can directly thank the NRA for much of this great privilege of carrying a handgun.
Bill
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Arizona signs Castle Doctrine law!!! :)
http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=2165
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Brenden,
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Michigan. I think they were presenting it to the full house today.
Bill
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Brenden,
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Michigan. I think they were presenting it to the full house today.
Bill
Bill,
Here you go.... 8)
April 25, 2006
Jones seeks to assure victims’ rights to self-defense during attack
Law-abiding Michigan residents who actually and reasonably believe they are facing imminent death, great bodily harm or rape at the hands of a violent criminal are justified in using force to defend themselves and their families. They are no longer required to retreat from a violent attacker in their own home under a package of bills sponsored and spearheaded by state Rep. Rick Jones. The measures were approved today by the Michigan House of Representatives.
“One of Michigan’s most basic values is that a person’s home is their castle,” said Jones, R-Grand Ledge. “This legislation makes it clear that not only do you have the right to stand your ground and defend yourself, but you will not be prosecuted or sued for defending yourself or your family in your own home.”
The “castle doctrine” is enshrined as a sacred right in English common law. It holds if you’re wrongfully threatened or attacked in your home, you may meet force with force.
“One inspiration for this law is the historical account of Dr. Ossian Sweet’s 1925 trial for defending his home against the Ku Klux Klan in Michigan,” Jones said. “His attorney, Clarence Darrow, successfully used the ‘castle doctrine’ to defend Dr. Sweet from prosecution for murder.”
House Bills 5142-43 eliminates the duty of law-abiding citizens to retreat in a home or occupied vehicle and establishes a presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters intends to cause death, great bodily harm, or rape. House Bill 5548 would amend current law to make anyone who lawfully defends themselves immune from civil liability. House Bill 5153 creates immunity from criminal prosecution.
“This will prevent criminals or their families from suing victims for injury or death,” Jones said. “It’s common sense and good law.”
Jones says this law is necessary to protect the law-abiding.
“As a former sheriff, I can tell you there are times when action needs to be taken before it is physically possible for law enforcement to get there,” Jones said. “This will give the average resident in Michigan the confidence to know that they can act to defend their life and their family without threat of a lawsuit or criminal prosecution.”
The provisions of the legislation do not cover persons engaging in criminal acts.
The bills now go to the Senate for consideration.
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Thanks very much, Brenden. That's great news. I had been trying to find out what happened.
Bill
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My wife said that she would learn to shoot a gun when Michigan passes the "castle doctrine".
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Capt,
Excellent news. I hope my wife will do the same.
I have been slowly working up to it. She is not balking so far, but there is still a little way to go.
She seems to be in favor of a "castle doctrine". I think.
Bill
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Brenden,
I found this upbeat post about the Castle Doctrine bill in Michigan. It was on Glocktalk in the States section.
Leslie Mortimer (who sponsored one of the bills) and Rick Baxter were at our meeting last night in Jackson and they expect it to pass through the Senate sign, and that the Governor will quietly sign it.
http://www.firearmsalliance.org/
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MICHIGAN
The House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed important self-defense legislation on Tuesday, voting in favor of the four-bill "Castle Doctrine" package that had broad bi-partisan support. HB 5142, by Representative Tom Casperson (R-108), passed on a vote of 91-15. HB 5143, by Representative Rick Jones (R-71), HB 5548, by Representative Tim Moore (R-97), and HB 5153, by Representative Leslie Mortimer (R-65), all gained House approval on a vote of 90-15. This legislative package allows law-abiding citizens to defend themselves in places where they have a right to be without fear of criminal prosecution or civil liability. The four bills have been assigned to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Please call your State Senator at (517) 373-2400 and ask him or her to support the "Castle Doctrine" package.
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I sent an email to my state senator. Hopefully, that will also have the desired effect.
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Bill,
All is good...
Sometimes though they "measure" snail mail response and also phone response!! If the Anti's are heard from more,"who knows"..
I always try to call and E-mail at minimum..On the very important bills-I do ALL 3.. ;D
I am doing all 3 this time-again.. 8)
Brenden
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;D
OKLAHOMA GOVERNOR SIGNS
NRA-BACKED "CASTLE DOCTRINE" BILL INTO LAW
Today, Oklahoma Governor Brad Henry (D) signed HB 2615, the NRA-backed "Castle Doctrine" self-defense bill, into law.
"I want to thank Governor Brad Henry for signing this victims' rights bill into law," said NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox. "When you're confronted by a criminal, you don't have the luxury of time. This bill states that if victims choose to stand their ground and fight, their decision will not be second-guessed by the State of Oklahoma. The ability to protect yourself, your children, or your spouse from harm is important, whether you're in your home or outside."
HB 2615 simply states that if a criminal breaks into your home, your occupied vehicle or your place of business, you may presume he is there to do bodily harm and you may use any force necessary against him. It also removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a legal right to be.
Further, HB 2615 provides protection from criminal prosecution and civil litigation for those who defend themselves from criminal attack. The "Castle Doctrine" bill met with overwhelming, bipartisan support, passing 96-2 in the state House and 83-4 in the Senate. Oklahoma joins eight other states that have signed similar legislation into law this legislative cycle.
"On behalf of all NRA members in Oklahoma, I want to thank Governor Brad Henry for signing this important bill into law. I'd also like to thank the bill's chief sponsors, Representative Kevin Calvey (R-94) and Senator Harry Coates (R-28), for their leadership in passing this vital measure," concluded Cox. "The 'Castle Doctrine' bill is about putting the law back on the side of the victim, the way it's supposed to be."
;D
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MI up on the 16th..
http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=2218
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;D
OKLAHOMA GOVERNOR SIGNS
NRA-BACKED "CASTLE DOCTRINE" BILL INTO LAW
Today, Oklahoma Governor Brad Henry (D) signed HB 2615, the NRA-backed "Castle Doctrine" self-defense bill, into law.
;D
As a transplanted "Okie," I can testify that we always assumed that to be the law anyway. Still and all, it's good to see the "Castle Doctrine" finally codified into Oklahoma law. :D
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I am out of state and have heard no news about Michigan's "Castle Doctrine". Has there been any movement?
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Capt,
It was passed in the House, and is in the Senate now.
Bill
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An update on MI from the NRA...
http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=2231
Calls will help with the full Senate...
Brenden
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Thank you for the update.
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UPDATE ON MICHIGAN....
June 6, 2006 - 3:19PM
LANSING (AP) - The Michigan Senate has approved legislation aimed at fortifying and clarifying self-defense rights.
The measures would allow people to use deadly force -- with no duty to retreat -- if they reasonably think they face imminent death, great bodily harm or sexual assault.
The legislation also would protect people from civil lawsuits if they have used force in self-defense.
The six-bill package is backed by the National Rifle Association but opposed by anti-gun groups.
Critics say the legislation is dangerous and not needed because prosecutors don't charge a person who has justifiably used deadly force to protect themselves.
Supporters say some people have been sued by people who tried to break into their homes.
Back to the House because of Amendments!!
Politics - Politics... ;)
Brenden
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Great news, Brenden. Thank you for the update.
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Just returned to Michigan. Thanks for the update.
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Heard this today - "SC Gov. approves and signs SC4301 Castle Doctrine "
Other stuff -
Arizona Governor Signs Right-To-Carry Enhancement
Daily Courier
Governor Napolitano signed House Bill 2076 which says the state may not prohibit firearms in public buildings unless those buildings provide secure but readily accessible storage for firearms carried by people using the building.
http://prescottdailycourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=36&SubSectionID=73&ArticleID=40015&TM=25733.64
Florida Governor Jeb Bush Sets Record by Signing Six-Pack of Freedom
We are very pleased to tell you that yesterday, Governor Jeb Bush (R) signed into law, SIX pro-gun and pro-hunting bills supported by NRA and Unified Sportsmen of Florida. That is a record number of major pro-gun & and pro-hunting bills passed in a single Florida legislative session under any Senate President or Speaker of the House and signed in one ceremony by any Governor in Florida.
Read More: http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=2262
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Bit of an update..
MICHIGAN
HB 5192, by Representative Scott Hummel (R-93), which would lower the hunting age from 14 and 12, to 12 and 10, for big game and small game respectively, has passed the Senate and is now in the House awaiting concurrence. The companion bill, SB 1105 by Senator Michelle McManus (R-35), passed the House Natural Resources Committee yesterday and now moves to the House. The House "Castle Doctrine" package comprised of four bills - HB 5142 by Representative Tom Casperson (R-108), HB 5143 by Representative Rick Jones (R-71), HB 5153 by Representative Leslie Mortimer (R-65), and HB 5548 by Representative Tim Moore (R-97) - is awaiting concurrence by the House. The two Senate "Castle Doctrine" bills, SB 1046 by Senator Alan Cropsey (R-33), and SB 1185, by Senator Ron Jelinek (R-21), are on second reading in the House. All the bills listed above are expected to be up for a vote in the House this coming week. Please call you State Representative and ask him or her to support HB 5192, SB 1105, and the House and Senate "Castle Doctrine" packages. The general phone number for the House of Representatives is (517) 373-0135.
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1st thing that comes to mind... "COOL..!" Although I've never concerned myself with this matter prior to...
Eric ;D
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MICHIGAN
The House "Castle Doctrine" package comprised of four bills, HB 5142 by Representative Tom Casperson (R-108), HB 5143 by Representative Rick Jones (R-71), HB 5153 by Representative Leslie Mortimer (R-65), and HB 5548, by Representative Tim Moore (R-97), is awaiting concurrence by the House. The two Senate "Castle Doctrine" bills, SB 1046, by Senator Alan Cropsey (R-33), and SB 1185, by Senator Ron Jelinek (R-21), are on second reading in the House. All the bills listed above are expected to be up for a vote in the House this coming week. Please call your State Representative and ask him or her to support the House and Senate "Castle Doctrine" packages. The general phone number for the House of Representatives is (517) 373-0135.
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Going to the Democratic Gov...
Expected to sign..It is an election year!! ;)
Legislature sends self-defense bills to Granholm
6/27/2006, 7:25 p.m. ET
The Associated Press
LANSING, Mich. (AP) — The state House signed off on legislation Tuesday aimed at fortifying and clarifying self-defense rights in Michigan.
The bills would allow people to use deadly force, with no duty to retreat, if they reasonably think they face imminent death, great bodily harm or sexual assault. They could use deadly force on their property or anywhere they have a legal right to be.
The legislation also would protect people from civil lawsuits if they have used force in self-defense.
The package, mostly approved on a 90-17 vote, now heads to Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who is expected to sign it.
Critics have said the legislation is dangerous and not needed because prosecutors already don't charge a person who has justifiably used deadly force to protect themselves.
But a sponsor of one bill, Republican Rep. Leslie Mortimer of Horton, said the bills "put to rest any ambiguity regarding our protection against intruders."
One bill would require judges to award attorney fees to those who are sued when it's determined they had reasonably used force to act in self-defense.
Another bill would create a "rebuttable presumption" — a legal advantage that assumes, unless there's strong proof to the contrary, that people honestly and reasonably believe they face death, rape or great bodily harm when someone breaks into their home.
The presumption, however, would not apply in certain domestic violence situations, disputes involving the police, and if the person using force is breaking the law.
Supporters say the legislation is needed partly because current law requires people to first retreat, which supporters say puts them at a disadvantage.
Critics worry the legislation could spark a shoot-first, ask-questions-later mentality that ends with innocent people getting shot.
Democrats who voted against the bills were Marsha Cheeks of Detroit, Brenda Clack of Flint, Paul Condino of Southfield, George Cushingberry of Detroit, Morris Hood III of Detroit, Tupac Hunter of Detroit, Chris Kolb of Ann Arbor, Gabe Leland of Detroit, Alexander Lipsey of Kalamazoo, Bill McConico of Detroit, Andy Meisner of Ferndale, Michael Murphy of Lansing, Alma Wheeler Smith of Ypsilanti, Virgil Smith of Detroit, Steve Tobocman of Detroit, Aldo Vagnozzi of Farmington Hills and Mary Waters of Detroit.
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The self-defense bills are House Bills 5142-43, 5153 and 5548, and Senate Bills 1046 and 1185.
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On the Net:
Michigan Legislature: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/
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That's wonderful news, Brenden.
Thanks for posting it. We have been on a little vacation and did not know the status.
Good for Michigan.
Bill
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Brenden, thank you for keeping us apprised.
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Monumental "Castle Doctrine" Package Heading to Governor's Desk!
On Thursday, June 29, the "Castle Doctrine" package........ passed overwhelmingly by the State Legislature and are en route to the desk of Governor Jennifer Granholm (D).
It's a great time for Michigan!
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Now if we could just put a sock on Senator Carl Levin.
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Now if we could just put a sock on Senator Carl Levin.
It's hard to take Senator Levin seriously -- until you remember that he is the ranking minority member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. That's just a thought to bear in mind for those of us who will be voting for candidates seeking election to the United States Senate next November.
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Chris, Dave, Bill, and other Pennsylvania members of the Forum:
Heads up! http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=2302
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Texas is also working on the Castle Doctrine. It should be the standard deal thru out our land. The hell with the bad guys.
Tom
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Since I started this thread, I had no idea it would generate such a response. Now that I think of it, though, it's no surprise.
It is my GREAT PLEASURE to note to you all (or ya'll, in this case) that
Georgia has a new law that took effect on July 1st, that finally allows us to "Stand our ground!"
I can only say that there is hope for America. I wasn't so sure a while back. I'm still staying on my toes.
Congratulations to Georgians everywhere;^) We should all be like us...
Hayword N. Edgewise (um, Gunwise;^)
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Richard - thx for the link - I have been watching this and actually get daily NRA-ILA email updates.
Very handy when trying to stay in touch with PA legislative moves.
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Get Calling MICHIGAN people..
She doesn't have the bill yet but her staff is "polling" callers.
Please call and voice your support for this set of bills.
Governor Jennifer M. Granholm
P.O. Box 30013
Lansing
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Michigan
48909
PHONE: (517) 373-3400
PHONE: (517) 335-7858 - Constituent Services
FAX: (517) 335-6863
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She has it on her "Desk" as of the 6th of July..
Please make the calls as you feel.. :)
Brenden
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Made the call. Now to wait.
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I made the call, too.
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Michigan's Governor signs Castle Doctrine Package into Law!
Positioning herself for maximum press exposure may have delayed her signature, but the Governor did finally sign the 'Castle Doctrine' into law today. 8) ;D
Will post more details later!!
Brenden
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NRA-Backed Castle Doctrine Bills Become Law in Michigan
Thursday, July 20, 2006
Fairfax, VA-Today Governor Jennifer Granholm signed into law a package of six self-defense bills backed by the National Rifle Association (NRA), bringing “Castle Doctrine” protections to law-abiding Michigan citizens.
“I want to thank the Michigan Legislature and Governor Jennifer Granholm for working together in making this victims’ rights bill into law,” said Chris W. Cox, NRA’s chief lobbyist. “When you’re confronted by a criminal, you don’t have the luxury of time. This Castle Doctrine package states that if victims choose to stand their ground and fight, their decision will not be second-guessed by the State of Michigan. The ability to protect yourself, your children, or your spouse from harm is important, whether you're in your home or outside.”
The six-bill Castle Doctrine Package passed with bi-partisan, supermajority support in both houses of the Michigan legislature:
Ø SB 1046, sponsored by Sen. Alan Cropsey, outlines rebuttal presumptions for justified use of self-defense. The bill makes it clear that there is no “duty to retreat” if a person is in a place where they have a legal right to be.
Ø SB 1185, sponsored by Sen. Ron Jelinek, allows for the award of court and attorney fees in civil cases where it was determined a person acted in accordance with the Self Defense Act and where civil immunities apply.
Ø HB 5548, sponsored by Rep. Tim Moore, gives civil immunities to persons acting in accordance with the Self Defense Act, preventing criminals and their families from suing law-abiding citizens.
Ø HB 5153, sponsored by Rep. Leslie Mortimer, puts the burden of proof on the prosecutor to show that a person acted unlawfully in the application of force, rather than the person using the force having to prove they acted lawfully.
Ø HB 5142, sponsored by Rep. Tom Casperson, expands the definition of “dwelling” to include a person’s garage, barn, backyard, etc.
Ø HB 5153, sponsored by Rep. Rick Jones, creates the Self Defense Act and specifies that it is not a crime to use force or deadly force to defend oneself if that person is not breaking any laws when defensive force was used. The person must be facing imminent threat of death or great bodily harm.
“On behalf of all NRA members in Michigan, I want to thank each of the bills’ chief sponsors for their leadership in seeing these measures become law,” concluded Cox. “The Castle Doctrine is about putting the law back on the side of the victim, the way it’s supposed to be.”
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YES!
I returned to Michigan yesterday to find this excellent news posted by the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.
I thank everyone involved in this successful outcome.
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Wonderful news for Michigan. Thanks to all who made it possible.
Bill
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I have been delighted to hear about this - and wait patiently for PA to go the same route.
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Hey!
I reported the same news for Georgia, and no one congratulated me! (Or Georgia, to be more exact!)
Can a Brother get a moment?
Calvin Cooledge
(BTW-I travelled for the first time with the R9S, and it was a breeze. More on that later.)
Wonderful news for Michigan. Thanks to all who made it possible.
Bill
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Calvin,
Congratulations to the Great State of Georgia. I'm delighted that the law makers recognize our need for self-protection.
Bill
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Hey!
I reported the same news for Georgia, and no one congratulated me! (Or Georgia, to be more exact!)
Can a Brother get a moment?
Calvin Cooledge
(BTW-I travelled for the first time with the R9S, and it was a breeze. More on that later.)
Calvin,
Please forgive as I believe we were all looking out for "ours"!!
Thank you my Georgia brother!! ;D
We are all in this together..As it has been said by the wise ones,if we do not stand together,we shall most assuredly hang together... ;)
This appears to be a "sweeping" mandate in the FREE STATES.. 8)
Brenden
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I am SO glad to be out of the People's Republic of Massachusetts (where I had a CCW and a Machine gun permit) and would get into very serious caca if I defended myself or my family. Here in Florida my CCW is now accepted in 27 states with more to come. It's a great thing BUT, if you are fortunate enough to live in similar circumstances, make very sure you check the local laws before you cross that state line with a weapon. It might be legal, but you had best know exactly how that state defines what you can and can't do if you like your freedom.