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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh Wish List => Topic started by: jarcher on March 17, 2005, 01:56:59 AM
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A special tool that is a punch for tear down and a grip screw wrench all in one. And, if its really good, it would also have a vice to compress the recoil spring during reassembly!
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I agree, plus with a compass in the stock and a thing that tells time (Ralphie's red ryder bb gun description from A Christmas Story)! ;D
You are in good company on that recommendation. I think that anyone who has ever taken apart an R9 truly appreciates the need for such a tool. Not that it's an impossible task, mind you, but it's a small gun, and the parts are only smaller. Mix in a little superlube or oil when in reassembly mode, and you quickly find yourself wishing for a third hand or a vice.
There is a lot of pent up demand for anyone who could bring this to market. When the R Bros catch their breath, this would be a good thing for them to develop and put on their web site for sale. They already know the measurements and have the CNC machinery, -it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch.
Here's hoping!
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Maybe one of the forum members could make this take down tool. Then go and have a bunch made off the original and offer them for sale to forum members. Tom
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Tom - problem is - for most - time! I am an engineer - I still have my one old lathe left but - to get from prototype into production is never easy - or come to that very cost effective on a small scale.
The ideas are good - Shelby's tool from way back was good - but it just ain't so easy. Needs IMO a youngish guy - entrepreneur - with patience and some ability to take risks. I am too old to want that route any more! ;D
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Shelby....
Are you out there?? ;)
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Pending Shelby's return with a supply of that nifty tool he invented, I'm still using a third hand for reassembling my R9s. The hand is very well manicured and belongs to my patient and loving little wife. All in all, we've become pretty good at putting the "pup" back together.
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Another good thing would be if it would also hold the slide open so the pin can be punched out. It occured to me to place something in the breech and let the slide close of it, but I don't want to damage anything.
To me, that's the hardest part: holding the slide open while the pin is removed.
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I believe that is what Shelbys set up proposed to do.. 8)
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JArcher - I daresay you haven't seen threads from way back but when we started talking about this strip problem, I discovered that the end of a chopstick works well - the taper end - that allows for adjustment until pin alignment is just right.
I still use a chopstick - plus practice too helps with pin replacement - there is a hold that allows for a brief one hand hold with slide back - as pin is started back in.
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>>Many of us have come up with tools to help in the take down/reassembly tasks. I use a small section of PVC dowel rod which has been sized (for width) to fit in the breech...holds it open perfectly so that the take down pin can be removed while not under pressure. The only time I've really struggled with reassembly was when I put in a new recoil spring - needed a locking wrench for that.
The most effective tool I have seen (in pics) is Shelby's take down tool...and sweet it is...! I would pay good money for one of those jewels - Shelby...you listening...?...!
**Shelby...Shelby...Shelby**...TW<<
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SEE http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Accessories;action=display;num=1119102502
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>>Hi RJ...
As of this morning my check is in the mail...!...thanks...!!...TW<<
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I'm beginning to wonder if we need a reassembly tool.
Does anybody have a tool they are using, or any special techniques.
I would gladly pay for something that makes life easier when the new R9S arrives in a week or so.
Bill
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I saw somewhere, a pair of Channel-Lock pliers being used to re-install the recoil spring assembly.. That seems to be fairly straight forward.. But, as a "Certified Tool Nut", I would like a ''special tool'' for that...
But, that would lead to the next thing ! A special tool for the replacement of the small captive recoil spring... For that , the assembly must be returned to the Factory for a replacement spring... Oh well, we must accept limits !
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RJ, I would be inclined to purchase a tool which you develop.
Meanwhile, I hope others will describe their experiences.
If you have any special tips about reassembly, or special mechanical aides you've developed, please help us new people avoid scratching the R9S.
Bill
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The most effective tool I have seen (in pics) is Shelby's take down tool...and sweet it is...! I would pay good money for one of those jewels - Shelby...you listening...?...!
**Shelby...Shelby...Shelby**...TW<<
I agree, that design of his really looked promising. The last I heard from Shelby was in April. I had PM'd him about potentially helping out with development costs to get his tool going. He indicated he was going to be focusing more on the tool, but I haven't heard anything since.
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Wayne,
Trying to "wake" him up.. ;)
Resurrected an older thread.. 8) ::)
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Cleaning;action=display;num=1091208985;start=60#60
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At long last, I have come up with a tool to re- install the sometimes difficult *Spring assembly*.
Will have a demonstrator photo sometimes next week..
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RJ, I want to order one and get a brass stop stick also.
Tom
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RJ,
I'll be watching for it, too.
Bill
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I'd like one as well. Please PM me where and how much to send.
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I'm in for one also RJ - PM the info when ready.
Dave
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RJ, I want to order one and get a brass stop stick also.
Tom
The nice part is the Stop Stick and the Spring assembly Installer will be combined into ONE TOOL. In Brass Only.
This project rose to the top of the pile Thursday as I tried to get that cursed Assembly back in place ! #&%%#@**
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The nice part is the Stop Stick and the Spring assembly Installer will be combined into ONE TOOL. In Brass Only.
RJ,
Sounds like I need one!! ;)
Please consider one sold at this end!! ;D
Thanks..
Brenden
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Add another name to the list.
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Ditto! Make it two - I have a buddy who's on the waiting list for a new R9s who will need one. PM me...
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>>Myhobbit one too, please...TW<<
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2, maybe 3 if I can convince my brother to buy a Rohrbaugh, please.
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RJ, the excitement is growing about the new assembly tool.
Bill
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RJ:
Please add my name to the list.
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RJ, Please count me in on the special tool, I'll place it beside your excellent pocket holster. ;D Thanks, 9mil.mouse
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RJ ....I'd like to get in line for this little helper as well....Thanks :D
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Please include my name on your list of requests for your new tool.
Thanks and Best Wishes,
LeonB570
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A simple tool. and it works well.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/rhedley/Takedown-reassemblyTool009.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/rhedley/Takedown-reassemblyTool007.jpg)
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A simple tool. and it works well.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/rhedley/Takedown-reassemblyTool009.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/rhedley/Takedown-reassemblyTool007.jpg)
I agree.... ;D
RJ,I do not want to run out-please consider me for another tool-payment on the way.. :)
Thanks again,
Brenden
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This tool really works! In my opinion, it is worthy of being included as an accessory with each Rohrbaugh pistol shipped.
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That is an excellent idea. I hope they order a bunch from RJ.
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I really don't expect the Rohrbaugh Bros to be interested in the "TOOL". They don't have a problem installing the Spring assembly. ;)
And even if the Pliers they use were to slip and parts go flying, ....they have bins full of parts and pieces.
The "TOOL" is for those that have trouble with the re-assembly, like me. :D
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My biggest problem is getting the pin back in the hole and putting the pup back together again. Take down, cleaning & reassembling parts are all OK but putting the top to the bottom & getting the pin in can be an hour long job.
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cordy. You may have seen this video. This may or may not help as a good deal of hand strength is involved with no tools. The video does show how to grasp the slide and hold it back, and it is all in the grasp.
Works for me, hope it does for you. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrAdj-WEBig
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Practice makes perfect. In time you will be able to put the pup back together in the dark. I just finished taking 3 pups down all the way and cleaned them then put all back together in less than 5 min.
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The best solution to cordy's issue is the pvc pipe tool that locks in the pin hole for takedown and reassembly but I can't find the link to it. Maybe someone can help with this one but he isn't looking for a manual resolution.
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I agree with the practice part. Really, when you follow the video or the manual and do it several times, it becomes easy. Some may disagree, but I find it to be not a problem.
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Cordy,
What may be causing you problems is that the spring assembly must be lined up perfectly after you pop it back in the slide. Before you remove the spring assembly pay close attention to the alignment on the aft end and duplicate it when you reassemble. It has to be aligned both vertically and horizontally to work right.
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The best solution to cordy's issue is the pvc pipe tool that locks in the pin hole for takedown and reassembly but I can't find the link to it. Maybe someone can help with this one but he isn't looking for a manual resolution.
This may be the link:
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Cleaning;action=display;num=1165943631;start=
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That's the one: Steve Bedair's tool (no longer made by him) but can be cheaply put together. Thanks, Richard.
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I got it now, I'll use the PVC fitting to hold the hole open & get the pin out (I use a cut off q-tip to remove the pin) The fuse pullers work fine on getting the spring(s) off & on & I'll be careful on squaring up the spring assembly to the barrel base. I slide the top on, use the PVC to get the pin started, turn the pistol right side up, grab the slide and the pin slides in with little effort. To be sure it worked I did the tear down 6-8 time. Thanks for all of your input & good ideas. This forum is the best, I got the tear down problem fixed, I found the grip extensions & I got a really nice pocket pistol... life is good right now.
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Good on you, mate.
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I got it now, I'll use the PVC fitting to hold the hole open & get the pin out (I use a cut off q-tip to remove the pin) The fuse pullers work fine on getting the spring(s) off & on & I'll be careful on squaring up the spring assembly to the barrel base. I slide the top on, use the PVC to get the pin started, turn the pistol right side up, grab the slide and the pin slides in with little effort. To be sure it worked I did the tear down 6-8 time. Thanks for all of your input & good ideas. This forum is the best, I got the tear down problem fixed, I found the grip extensions & I got a really nice pocket pistol... life is good right now.
Excellent. cordy. Glad it all worked out for ya! Continue to enjoy!
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cordy,
Congratulations on mastering the pup. ;D
John
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A special pair of pliers to compress the recoil spring assembly shouldn't be too hard to come up with, rather than Vice grips. You might be able to use a Vice Grip welders clamp and cut it out to fit. Or a pair of medium slip joint pliers with a fitted plate for each end of the assembly welded on each jaw. It's not like it's rocket science...oh bad example... read auto computer electronics instead.
A tool to compress and disassemble the entrie assembly so you wouldn't have to send it back? Take a peak into a Brownells catalog and look at the compression tool made for dismounting the firing pin on a Remington 700. It won't work but the idea might if someone wanted to try and make one. It's simply a spring compression device and some version of it is probably used at the factory for assembly/disassembly.