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Title: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: FloridaCCW on December 26, 2009, 12:15:38 AM
Pros and Cons of each?

Felt recoil?
Size?
Reliability?
Resale?

Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on December 26, 2009, 10:30:44 AM
Welcome to the Forum FloridaCCW.  I'll have to defer to others here on the Forum as I don't own a Seecamp .380; do own a Seecamp .32.  

If you're thinking of a Rohrbaugh .380 contact Tom Watson of the IrishGuard here on the Forum.  He actually sells both and probably has the Rohrbaugh .380 in stock.  He'll be glad to answer your questions and help you any way he can.

Send him a PM.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: FloridaCCW on December 26, 2009, 03:52:57 PM
Thanks! I have a .32 Seecamp also. I may buy two more .32s today or get a .380 Rohrbaugh or Seecamp. Even considering the Rohrbaugh 9mm.  Just not sure about the additional recoil :) Have about 1000 to spend on a pocket gun or guns....
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 26, 2009, 03:56:30 PM

Although I don't own either one people who have compared the two say that the Seecamp's recoil is considerably more pronounced than the Rohrbaugh .380.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on December 26, 2009, 04:36:36 PM
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Even considering the Rohrbaugh 9mm.  Just not sure about the additional recoil :) Have about 1000 to spend on a pocket gun or guns....

Agree with tracker.

I would go with the 9mm Rohrbaugh, if I had to choose.  That's just me, though.  Everyone is different and should decide what's right for them.  I just like alot of power in small and large packages.

Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 26, 2009, 05:12:29 PM

No doubt about the superior ballistics on the .9mm vs. the .380 for self-defense.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: FloridaCCW on December 26, 2009, 05:47:40 PM
Thanks for the info. 9mm would work for me, but I don't think my wife would enjoy it much in a pocket gun. Maybe she will take my.32 Seecamp and I get the Rohrbaugh :) Decisions...
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on December 26, 2009, 06:20:12 PM
That would work!  Good luck with the decision.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: FloridaCCW on December 26, 2009, 07:43:59 PM
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=R9S;action=display;num=1258576373

Found this thread. Looks like I am going with the R9s.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 26, 2009, 07:56:26 PM

Excellent decision.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on December 26, 2009, 09:56:05 PM
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Found this thread. Looks like I am going with the R9s.

Excellent choice.  Be sure to use the recommended ammo on this Forum and it will save you alot of grief.  You may have to look hard to find it, but it will be worth the wait.

Again, excellent choice!
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: FloridaCCW on December 26, 2009, 10:37:22 PM
Sure will. I found 115g Speer Gold Dot for 15.99 at Cabela's tonight :)  147g is 19.99 too.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on December 27, 2009, 08:54:13 AM
A very good price, these days!
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: theirishguard on December 27, 2009, 11:56:34 AM
Here are my thoughts in a nut shell... if the pistol is for someone who has problems with recoil then the Rohrbaugh is the way to go. if the pistol is for someone who wears tight jeans with smaller pockets then the Seecamp is the way to go. bottom line, I can get Rohrbaugh .380s after 1-4 and Seecamp has stopped taking orders for their .380.  Tom
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: FB3 on March 14, 2010, 10:03:25 PM
Been away for a long time, but thought I would reply to this old thread.

I have a R-9 and had a Seecamp 380 which I got shortly after they were released.  The Seecamp is probably the most uncomfortable pistol that I have ever fired.  I do not have a problem with recoil and shoot lots of 45 3", 44mag, ect., but that little Seecamp was brutal.

Granted, none of these pocket pistols are meant to be used for extended target practice and the R-9 is no exception, but it is much more comfortable to me than the Seecamp.

I am not knocking the Seecamp.  They are wonderful high quality guns and I still have a .32, but the 380 was a beast to me.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: theirishguard on March 15, 2010, 12:10:23 PM
FB3, I agree  Tom
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: birdman on March 15, 2010, 05:20:41 PM
   I would never buy a Seecamp .380, I fired one that a friend had, and as FB3 said it was brutal. I told my buddy he should have saved his money. He could have just bought a hammer for 20 bucks to hit himself in the hand. A hammer is cheaper, quieter and you don't have some liberal p---- looking over your shoulder trying to figure out a way to  take it away from you.     Gene
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on March 15, 2010, 06:27:28 PM
I do have the .32 Seecamp and really like it.  Came very close to getting the .380, but the wait time was too long, 14 months, last March, so got the R9.  Couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Ljutic on June 16, 2010, 12:06:30 AM
I could make the case for having both the R9 and LWS380, but you probably don't need to hear it from me.   ;D

Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on June 16, 2010, 08:21:39 AM
I kept wanting the .380 and kept calling Seecamp, until finally they put me on the waiting list to be called when they would be taking orders again.

It worked out and now I have three.     ;D
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: yankee2500 on June 16, 2010, 06:15:14 PM
  I like the size and the quality of the Seecamp 380, and although the recoil doesn't bother me, I just don't really enjoy shooting it, and some of that may come from the absence of sights on the gun. I know for it's intended purpose sights are not needed, but I like having them just the same.
   I didn't like the R9 I had without sights either. I guess I'm just an old fart who has always had a gun with sights, and don't think I want to get used to one without them.

John
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on June 16, 2010, 07:04:23 PM
I like the Seecamp just because it's a Seecamp; always wanted one and for that reason only.  Now am a happy camper.  

I'm with you on the sights though, and any other gun, I have to have 'em.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: AmmoToad on July 04, 2010, 09:26:28 PM
Folks, not to be a smart a$$, but the 9mm is far superior to the .380 in every regard and the R9’s give you the opportunity to have 9mm punch in a .380 package.  The R9S I have is less noticeable in recoil than my P3AT and of similar size.  Never fired a Seecamp so cannot speak smartly on it.  But, I am a career solder and have fired thousands upon thousands of rounds of ammo from everything imaginable.  I carry a P3AT when running but otherwise, as of today (fired my R9S for the first time) will carry my R9S for every other purpose.  Don’t be worried about “felt recoil.”  By the time you feel the recoil, the round has left the chamber, and if you prepared properly, will be on target.  Even the ladies can learn to deal with that, it’s that first instinctual point and shoot that will save lives, recoil is just an afterthought.  For the ballistics and life saving potential of the 9mm vs. the .380, the choice is easy.  We don’t conceal carry because it is cool, we do so because we may potentially have to save our life or that of a loved one.  Choose wisely.  If Rohrbaugh made the same size gun in .45, I’d carry it and not worry about the recoil.  Just my $.02 for what it’s worth.
Title: TRe: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 04, 2010, 10:50:13 PM
With all due respect, AmmoT, no one here thinks the .380 is superior to the 9mm.  Most of us that have the Seecamp have the R9 as well.  As I stated above, wanted a Seecamp just because it's a Seecamp; no other reason.

We love the R9 and usually in multiples; also like the early Farmingdales with the blue grips; carbon fiber grips, if you will.  Oh!  And someday, hopefully, there will be a Rohrbaugh .45.  Some of us even have made a deposit on it already.

There is room for other guns in one's life, and they certainly don't take the place of the R9; the finest 9mm pocket pistol made on the planet, as Richard would say and I agree.

Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on July 05, 2010, 12:03:20 AM

Toad,
If you really want to feel some recoil try firing the Seecamp .380. KJ is right; no one here ever rated the .380 superior to the R9. We have a wide and deep range of experience on this forum in military and law enforcement, even some who stay current in sniper qualifications. They rarely talk about it but we are grateful when they share their expertise and knowledge.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 06, 2010, 05:46:15 PM
As I have said before, unless you are going "Deep Cover", The Rohrbaugh R9 has made the 380 Seecamp obsolete.

Reinz
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 06, 2010, 07:53:58 PM
It's just cool to have both!    ;D At least, for me!    :)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: yankee2500 on July 07, 2010, 01:28:19 AM
Here is my take on the Seecamp LWS 380 from my short lived experience with it.
 First, the gun is very small and very well made, the fit and finish are in the same class as the Rohrbaugh. Did I mention it's small. (almost looks like a toy)
 It has noticeably more recoil than the R9, mainly due to less to hold on to, and anyone who is the least bit recoil sensitive, will not want to shoot it.
  It could be concealed when nothing else could be, it is beyond a doubt the limit on size that anyone would want to shoot in a 380, and beyond the limit for many.
  I sold mine because I wanted to buy a bullpup rifle and not spend any out of pocket cash, no other reason.
 I decided the Seecamp was what I could do without. I don't have any deep cover carry needs, and when I need to carry something light and small, I have a Kahr P-380.

John
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 07, 2010, 07:53:36 AM
Yep!  Just a matter of wants, for sure!    :)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 08, 2010, 04:58:10 PM
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Here is my take on the Seecamp LWS 380 from my short lived experience with it.
 First, the gun is very small and very well made, the fit and finish are in the same class as the Rohrbaugh. Did I mention it's small. (almost looks like a toy)
 It has noticeably more recoil than the R9, mainly due to less to hold on to, and anyone who is the least bit recoil sensitive, will not want to shoot it.
  It could be concealed when nothing else could be, it is beyond a doubt the limit on size that anyone would want to shoot in a 380, and beyond the limit for many.
  I sold mine because I wanted to buy a bullpup rifle and not spend any out of pocket cash, no other reason.
 I decided the Seecamp was what I could do without. I don't have any deep cover carry needs, and when I need to carry something light and small, I have a Kahr P-380.

John


Sounds very logical to me.

Reinz
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 08, 2010, 05:00:19 PM
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It's just cool to have both!    ;D At least, for me!    :)


Sounds logical to me ---

if you can afford it -  and/or

justify it.


Reinz
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 08, 2010, 05:46:01 PM
I think it just comes down to wants!    ;D  And, of course affordability comes into play, for sure.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 08, 2010, 07:38:48 PM
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I think it just comes down to wants!    ;D  And, of course affordability comes into play, for sure.

Of course HOW BAD one wants it.

If bad enough, we usually find a way.

Just like yankee2500  wanting an Aug/Microtec bad enough to sell his Seecamp to obtain it.

Quite the sacrifice I might say.

As kjtrains says "it just comes down to wants"


Reinz
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 08, 2010, 08:22:29 PM
John never really liked his Seecamp; I could tell.    ;D  However, I like 'em!
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Ljutic on July 10, 2010, 10:01:13 AM
Seecamp over Rohrbaugh 380 for the following reasons:
Size
Cost - comparing retail to retail
Custom serial number option

If purchasing a gun built on the Rohrbaugh platform, I think 9mm is the right choice.  
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: yankee2500 on July 10, 2010, 07:22:14 PM
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John never really liked his Seecamp; I could tell.    ;D  However, I like 'em!

  I liked the LWS just fine, but when deciding what to let go, it was the one gun that was almost new in the box and had a resale value that was more than I paid for it. Also I thought I may get another, but will order a custom serial number.

John
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 10, 2010, 07:36:00 PM
I hear ya, John!   ;D  My Seecamp .380 from Phil is a fairly low serial no. but not a custom one.  How's the hunt coming on the MicroTech?
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: yankee2500 on July 10, 2010, 09:25:46 PM
I have a guy looking into getting one for me, and if that doesn't pan out there is a dealer on Gun Broker who sells them for $950
and $20 shipping. I have done a lot of reading and the Microtec gets positive reviews and good feedback from everyone.
  The standard version is what I'm going to get it takes MSAR mags, which can be had for about $20-$25, the E-4 model that takes AR mags is around five to six hundred dollars more. I can buy more mags than I would ever use for that amount of money.

John
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 10, 2010, 10:28:14 PM
Sounds like a winner to me.    :)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Ljutic on July 11, 2010, 11:11:20 AM
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I have a guy looking into getting one for me, and if that doesn't pan out there is a dealer on Gun Broker who sells them for $950
and $20 shipping. I have done a lot of reading and the Microtec gets positive reviews and good feedback from everyone.
  The standard version is what I'm going to get it takes MSAR mags, which can be had for about $20-$25, the E-4 model that takes AR mags is around five to six hundred dollars more. I can buy more mags than I would ever use for that amount of money.

John

If you are stuck, let me know.  We have a local MSAR dealer who has a few in stock.  Not sure if it's the model you are looking for or not.  Also not sure of his pricing.  I too would love to have one of these, but I can only safely/securely store a few long guns and I'm full.  
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 02:11:43 PM
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If you are stuck, let me know.  We have a local MSAR dealer who has a few in stock.  Not sure if it's the model you are looking for or not.  Also not sure of his pricing.  I too would love to have one of these, but I can only safely/securely store a few long guns and I'm full.  

Ljutic - the cool thing about the Microtec/AUG is with the press of a button the barrel slides out.  I have mine sitting on the top shelf of the safe with the pistols.

Reinz
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 04:50:50 PM
I wished they made the MicroTech in .308.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: yankee2500 on July 12, 2010, 05:01:29 PM
They do offer a 6.8 mm Remington SPC barrel.

John
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 05:18:20 PM
I know, but for some reason, I want the .308.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 07:40:42 PM
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I wished they made the MicroTech in .308.

I'm right with ya there, that would be so awesome!

I wonder how loud that would be?  

Being closer up to your face and all.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 07:45:14 PM
I don't know, however, I would have the good ear protectors on.    ;D
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 07:46:39 PM
Double - ear molds AND ear muffs! ;)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 07:51:05 PM
I think the regular ones work well; the Barrett doesn't phase mine.    :)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 08:00:39 PM
Wow, I fiqured double for sure with the Barrett.

I'm impressed!
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 08:03:41 PM
They do work really well.  
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 08:11:02 PM
Somebody told me that recoil was similar to a 12 ga.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 08:14:48 PM
If you watch the video, you can judge for yourself.  It's not that bad.  I shoot all sorts of high power stuff and like it all.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 08:27:07 PM
If you posted a video, It did not come through.

But come to mention it, I  have seen guys and even gals shoot them on the Outdoor channel and the recoil did not seem to be harsh.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 08:33:18 PM
The video was on another thread I posted awhile back, but here it is again.  Amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXbUkDyUNRk&feature=related
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 08:42:11 PM
Thanks KJ, that was quite enjoyable.

I can see that recoil is managable.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 08:45:48 PM
Really is.  I like it.  Short reply, but fits the need.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 08:54:37 PM
Being an addict, I've tried to talk myself into one for years now.  But the main thing that holds me back is where can I find a place to shoot 1/2 mile - 1/2 plus?  

I mean, that's why I don't shoot the rifles I have, I get bored with 100yds.

That's why I consider myself more of a pistolero, you can shoot them anywhere.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 09:04:41 PM
Fortunately, I have a range I can shoot without any problems.  The berms are arranged for such a weapon, plus I can shoot on my own land in Ga.  Works.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Reinz on July 12, 2010, 09:23:42 PM
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Fortunately, I have a range I can shoot without any problems.  The berms are arranged for such a weapon, plus I can shoot on my own land in Ga.  Works.


Yeah that's the key for Big Daddys

Pretty rough for us addicts without a venue
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on July 12, 2010, 09:27:26 PM
Like you say, being a pistolero, you can shoot them anywhere.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: musician on August 27, 2010, 04:42:15 PM
OK, I'm gonna jump this thread back to its title: LWS380 v. Rohrbaugh 380.

I acquired a Seecamp 380 when it was a new item.  After shooting it, I sold it because of the painful recoil.  I immediately got seller's remorse and ordered another one.  After a year, it came in and I took it to the range.  The recoil was still hot, but manageable.  My point?  I was not mentally prepared for the LWS380's recoil the first time around.  But then my brain had a year to percolate on the subject (in the background), and when I took my second one to the range, I found the recoil to be manageable.  My first experience shooting my R9s was similar.  I didn't shoot it again for several months, and the second time around, the recoil was manageable.  So, perhaps the best thing to do, if you are lucky enough to have an LWS380, is to keep it for several months after your first range session, then try it again and re-evaluate the recoil intensity.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on August 27, 2010, 08:51:27 PM
musician.  You make a good point.  I haven't shot the Rohrbaugh .380 as of yet, however, the Seecamp .380 is one cool little dude.  Due to the fact that I shoot large calibers often, the recoil of the .380 seems minimal.

Someone not used to recoil, a different story.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on December 30, 2010, 11:53:18 AM
My friend and I took my LWS 380 and R-Nine for a walk through the range some time back. We shot the LWS 380 for quite a few rounds. Then I pulled out the R9 and we didn't even notice any recoil on that R9. We both commented on the snappy recoil of the LWS, but knew what a great little package it is. He never bought either, and opted for a KelTec nine.
Reciol was not any reason why he chose what he did, and I know he has the financial means to buy both the R9 and the LWS 380, it is just what he wanted.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 30, 2010, 12:16:05 PM

Did he buy a Kel-Tec P11 or a PF-9?
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on December 30, 2010, 12:28:49 PM
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Did he buy a Kel-Tec P11 or a PF-9?

If I could have remembered, I would have written the model number, and I was right there next to him when he bought it.
I am sorry I do not know.
I am thinking it was the higher capacity model though.
He bought it for less then three hundred dollars.
I will e-mail him now, he lives less then a half a mile from me, if I have to, I'll see him in person, that is if he's not off on a tour somewhere. He likes going to Canada snowmobiling.
A link to his Book.
http://www.amazon.com/Survive-Fight-Life-High-Sierras/dp/0743270061#reader_0743270061

Here he is after shooting the R-Nine

(http://www.fototime.com/46695303E9EDB87/standard.jpg)

Here is his Snowmobile

(http://www.fototime.com/DE915781DD9340B/standard.jpg)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 30, 2010, 12:47:34 PM
Thanks for sharing that amazing story about Peter. I flew out of NAS Lemoore and we had many flights over the High Sierras in the same area of his incredible survival experience. One of our pilots was the only one who wore a winter survival flight suit. He had previously bailed out over the Sierras in mid winter in a summer flight suit and crawled a few hundred yards through the deep snow to the only road within 50 miles and hitched a ride home.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on December 30, 2010, 01:05:32 PM
If any one could have survived it is Peter.
Your pilot did learn a valuable lesson, as Peter did.He'll always have a few extras with him while flying from now on, and I think a pistol may be on his list.
He told me that the rescue planes were so close to him three different times he could look into the cockpit and see the pilot's face and headphones.
Peter is an adventurous person and needs that thrill almost daily. He took that motorcycle trip and I am waiting for that book to come out.

Thanks for checking the story about Peter out.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 30, 2010, 01:56:06 PM
He is one of the rare exceptions to the law of old pilots and bold pilots but no old, bold pilots; better to leave the bold part on the ground.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on December 30, 2010, 04:40:57 PM
Yeah, it is the P-11, he reminded me that it will hold twelve rounds in total. He now has a pocket holster for it. I asked if MECO made one for it, and he didn't.

Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 30, 2010, 06:09:18 PM

It is probably heresy to say this here but that is a lot of value in a gun.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on December 30, 2010, 07:06:36 PM
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It is probably heresy to say this here but that is a lot of value in a gun.

 Peter looked at all the options, as he would and he studied every aspect of each pistol he had on his list. He didn't shoot from the hip as he knew all about the P-11 when we went to the dealer.Ironically the dealer had a slightly used R-9 in stock for a reasonable price of $850. I remember that price because I worked on getting a buyer for it, however that particular deal fell through, it did sell shortly after.
So did you commit and act of blasphemy? I say you did not, to people like us we look toward the quality of devices we choose to purchase, and pistols like the Rohrbaugh and Seecamp have such great qualities. I could not convince Peter to spend that amount of money on a pistol of the same caliber to do the same job as his P-11.He got a 9mm pistol that as he says, holds 12 rounds.
Peter has a very small frame, looks like he wears clothes sized for middle school students, and the pockets in his pants can not fit my LWS 380 in a pocket holster.He can fit the P-11 in a jacket pocket, and that is where he totes it.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 30, 2010, 07:41:21 PM

I notice he has his snowmobile saddle bags packed, just in case of engine failure, I presume. Your description of him explains a lot.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on December 30, 2010, 08:57:07 PM
His exploits are really writable and should be published. I am hoping he writes another book on his almost two year motorcycle trip to South America.

The saddle bags on a racing type snowmobile is typical for him, he wants to go as fast as he can as long as he can, he is a full throttle guy all the time.

He has left here at 11pm, after his wife falls asleep( she does know he is leaving) and then he gets in his truck, no particular plans in some cases, and heads to Canada. He'll get there, sleep in his truck, then get up, find a couple few guys interested in taking a week long trip through the trails. That is the saddle bags purpose in life.He also has an attachable bladder for extra fuel.Then he goes for it, living life at full throttle, those of us that know him, know he'll survive any encounters.He has his misfortunes, like the guys he has traveled with had their engines blow up on the trail, and last year, his motor blew.

Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 30, 2010, 09:33:49 PM

Amazing; what is that unit between his snowmobile and motorcycle in his garage? Sorry for the severe thread drift here but this is quite interesting, at least to me.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on December 30, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
I don't think it is anything, you may be looking at the top of the snowmobile.
He has a racing street bike, and two different dirt bikes. He competes in the older classes now.

Neither dirt bike is in the picture, that street bike has been replaced with a new one.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on December 30, 2010, 10:22:38 PM
A different angle.

(http://www.fototime.com/0AFCAB30DD4B9C2/standard.jpg)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 30, 2010, 10:23:39 PM

Thanks, you're right.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: yankee2500 on December 30, 2010, 10:57:42 PM
I hope he never forgets he has the P-11 in his pocket and heads to Canada. :o  that wouldn't turn out good.

John
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on December 30, 2010, 11:03:18 PM
I hope he doesn't do that either.
I'd never see him again.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 30, 2010, 11:21:59 PM

I was cited for speeding in Montreal once and asked someone if I should pay the ticket. They wisely advised me not to pay only if you never return. I paid the fine.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on December 30, 2010, 11:28:55 PM
The P11.  Interesting and low price.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on December 30, 2010, 11:37:42 PM

Here is some discussion on it. It sounds like a bit of tweaking would make it an excellent weapon.


http://www.ktog.org/reviews-p11.htm
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on December 30, 2010, 11:45:42 PM
The price is really good.  One in stock here.  Says clearance.

http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?PID=4989&w=PQ%2BJDyOLrQE%3D
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on December 31, 2010, 09:32:05 AM
Unreal price, don't you think, I mean for a pistol that shoots a 9mm cartridge. Close to the cost of a Rings Blue gun lol.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on December 31, 2010, 10:11:58 AM
I was really suprised at the price..  Seems, as tracker says, a little tweaking or just a break in period, and it's good to go.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on January 01, 2011, 10:45:15 AM
Turns out I spent a little time with Peter last night, he loves that P-11. I ended up at my friend/dealers shop and he has the P-9 in stock as well as the new Ruger 9mm and the new S&W380. I am actually considering the P-9.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on January 01, 2011, 11:05:00 AM
P9 or PF9?   I like the PF-9 for the money.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on January 01, 2011, 11:19:33 AM
Me, too; There have been quite a few enhancements since 2007. I don't care for the short space between the trigger finger and guard, however. Also, as has been noted above, the P-11 holds five more rounds.





http://www.mouseguns.com/pf9rev/pf9rev.htm
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on January 01, 2011, 12:14:32 PM
There has been quite an evolution in the development of the PF-9. Maybe they have it right by now.



http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1173985819
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on January 01, 2011, 02:14:07 PM
I'd try the PF-9, single stack over the P-11.
However, my friend Peter made a good point last night that he had his P-11 and one extra magazine and he had 21 rounds of 9mm ammunition with him.

I am thinking slim and easily concealed.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: yankee2500 on January 01, 2011, 04:07:08 PM
   I guess if you end up at the OK Corral you may need 21 rounds, But from any self defense shooting I have read about or could imagine it seems a little excessive.
   Unless your attacked by a gang, if fire that many rounds you are looking for a law suite because you probably hit some bystanders. :o

John
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on January 01, 2011, 04:18:45 PM

Peter is probably thinking wilderness not urban survival. Very few lawyers go to his natural habitat.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on January 01, 2011, 04:23:10 PM
Peter's thought on that is he can unload the first magazine just for the sake of shooting back, basically he has ammunition to waste. :)
We talked about the advantages of having enough ammunition with you at the time you are in a shoot-out.
You can run scenarios all day long.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: yankee2500 on January 01, 2011, 04:29:07 PM
Quote
Peter is probably thinking wilderness not urban survival. Very few lawyers go to his natural habitat.

Wilderness if there are bears he may want a few more mags with a 9mm. ;D

John
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on January 01, 2011, 06:13:19 PM
Or maybe a .454!    ;D
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: chameleon on February 04, 2011, 06:52:11 AM
I called Peter last night to take a trip to the dealer, he wanted to go, but had a project he was working on, so I went solo. Looked at the P9 once again in awe, sub-three hundred dollar pistol shooting the 9mm cartridge. I didn't fondle it at all, but the dealer and I fondled my R-Nine with the new VZ Grips and he loved it.
We talked about the new Kimber SOLO.
I had brought all the brochures he asked me to get him at the SHOT Show and we mulled through some of those, talked about the Governor from S&W and Kel Tec's shot gun.

Bottom line is I like the R-Nine the best. I think the dealer will be getting an R-9 for himself.

While I am at it, I hope a few of you get to see this as I value your opinion.
I have been having a hankering to get a carbine. I looked at the H&K in 45acp but felt that any of the carbines I was looking at in that caliber suffered from low capacity.
I started looking at 9mm carbines and at the SHot show ran across  http://www.thureondefense.com/
I like it and it has an MSRP of just over $600.00.
I'm thinking of getting this one.
I'm n no rush to buy anything at this point, I just know there is something I need to buy.

(http://www.fototime.com/1440A65135F617F/standard.jpg)
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on February 04, 2011, 08:35:18 AM
I like their advertising!    ;D

http://www.thureondefense.com/
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: tracker on February 04, 2011, 08:25:07 PM

Me, too. Whoever is in charge of hiring is very good at it.
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: Richard S on February 04, 2011, 08:28:32 PM
If that's an indication of a trend toward the "New Army," I think I was born too early.  ;D
Title: Re: Rohrbaugh 380 versus Seecamp 380
Post by: kjtrains on February 04, 2011, 08:38:44 PM
I'll second the above two!    ;D