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After buying a p7, I look at my keltec p-32 and it seem awfully cheep. It shoots well, etc. but the quality isn't there. I think the R9 will soon be the little brother
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A wise choice pilgrim, and welcome to this forum. :D
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dam8,
Welcome to the forum. Please come back often.
Bill
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dam8, welcome to the forum, also a good choice.
Tom
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P7M8-R9 combo is what I carry daily. And +1 on the welcome. Cheers!
(http://rcfalcon.com/stuff/P7M8/1.JPG)
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I think the R9 will soon be the little brother
Good decision. And welcome to the Forum!
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Cuteo:
Just about the time I talk myself out of adding a P7M8 to my arsenal, you post another picture of one and I have to start all over again. :-/
By the way, great combo! 8)
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Richard: I'll make sure to remind you often! :D
(http://rcfalcon.com/stuff/P7M8/5.JPG)
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I too have anquished over wether to add a P7 to the arsenal or not but keep going back to the fact that it requires a whole new firing discipline. Lately I have been leaning toward a Para Hawg 9 but don't know much about Para's quality. :-/
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I use the same discipline for all handguns: a firm two-hand grip-hold and the 1911-firing procedure (by swiping the imaginary P7 thumb safety.) This habit allows me to switch between guns.
The P7 requires minimal grip pressure to initially cock the hammer and then very little presure afterward to maintain condition-1. A standard firm-hold is sufficient.
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They are nice guns with great proof marks. However, they are too heavy for a 9mm.
Tom
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Tom, I hear you. But at 780g emptied, I find the P7M8 quite attractive when comparing it to other 9mm steel guns:
975g Beretta 92
960g Taurus PT92/99
900g Walther P88
885g Browning HP
860g CZ-99
795g Walther P5
780g H&K P7M8
775g Sig P239
720g Walther P99
Of course, an all-steel P7M8 can't stand a chance against tupperware guns in terms of weights. The same can be said for the Colt M1911A1, 1080g emptied! But plastics got no soul! :-/ and heavy 1911s seem to be making a popular come back.
The little pocket Rohrbaugh R9S weights nicely at 405.4gr BUT we pay dearly when pulling that trigger! :)
How light can an all-steel P7 be to be right?
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Teddy Jacobson says the P-7 is the best 9 mm. on
the planet--period.
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But plastics got no soul! :-/ and heavy 1911s seem to be making a popular come back.
Amen! Tell it, Preacher! 8)
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Hello Folks,
+1 on the P7. I picked this one up reasonably priced, sent it to Tripp's for the hard-chrome job, and night sights. Then added the wood grips. Very high on my favorites list. Before after photos
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d85/dctfn/DSCF0810.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d85/dctfn/DSCF0855.jpg)
Fred
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Fred, now that is a good looking gun, thanks for the pictures.
Tom
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Fred,
I did the same thing with one; where did you buy the grips?
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tracker,
I purchased the Nill grips on line at MacTec Interprises.
http://mactec-militaryarms.com/nill_grips.html
Fred
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Fred,
Thanks; that looks like a bottom mag release. I have
one of each: a PSP and a p7-M8 with the higher mag
release.
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tracker,
My PSP is the later version with the flush release, as opposed to the original PSP that has the protruding bottom release. There is a difference when considering purchasing the Nill Grips.
Fred
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Fred,
Mine is a flush release also. Which set did you
put on yours?
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tracker,
From MacTec Enterprises stock # HK0358 Nill Grips.
Grips + shipping $114.30
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Thank you.
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Fred:
I somehow missed your post until now. That is absolutely, positively, one beautiful pistol!
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The "after" picture is outstanding. Very beautiful pistol.
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Somebody say P7s?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/P7s.jpg)
Sorry -- it was a good excuse to bring them all out for a family photo! ;D
(Two P7s, Three P7M8s [2 Jubes], Two P7M13s, and Two P7M10s)
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Teddy Jacobson says the P-7 is the best 9 mm. on
the planet--period.
I like the P7; and do withdraw the rest of my former statement as "rude & entirely uncalled for..!" 'Trying to rise above all that nonsense..!
Eric 8) ;D
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I feel quite certain that T.J. is not bothered
in the least by that statement.
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Somebody say P7s?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/P7s.jpg)
Sorry -- it was a good excuse to bring them all out for a family photo! ;D
(Two P7s, Three P7M8s [2 Jubes], Two P7M13s, and Two P7M10s)
Fly:
Now that's just showing off! ;) But as "Broadway Joe" Namath, would say, "If you've got it, flaunt it." 8)
Great "family photograph"! Thanks for sharing it.
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Somebody say P7s?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/P7s.jpg)
Sorry -- it was a good excuse to bring them all out for a family photo! ;D
(Two P7s, Three P7M8s [2 Jubes], Two P7M13s, and Two P7M10s)
Good Grief - Now I gotta figure out how to convince my wife that one of these would be a great "Cute Little Pocket Pistol..!"
Thanks alot you guys... (By the way, they're beautiful. Also,
isn't, or wasn't there a .380/ smaller version available?
Eric ;D
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Yes, the P7K3 was produced for a short time. I was not a gas retarded action -- but required an oil filled buffer for proper function. The buffer failed frequently and replacements are not available. Therefore, the few P7K3s that I've come across have been strictly safe queens. They also carry a premium price tag due to their scarity -- and weren't that much smaller than the P7.
Another feature was an interchangable .32 ACP barrel, and a complete top end in .22 LR. -- having a complete kit allowed use of the pistol in all three calibers.
http://hkp7.com/p7k3.htm
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Hi Fred,
did you know that your P7 was carried by the West German GSG9? Remember Mogadischu? The BMI stands for "BundesMinisterium des Inneren" or ministry of interior.
Nice gun, how much was the hard chrome and night sight job?
Regards
PiMo
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Hi PiMo,
No, and I appreciate the history lesson, and the BMI meaning.
The chrome job was $175 which included brush-finish complete pistol, less barrel. The mags were $15 each. Night sights installed $120. I do remember Virgil had to do some machining to install the rear sight. Shipping and handling $48.
Fred
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I conducted a range test with the Corbon 9mm+P DPX load in the P7M8 today...
Good stuff! Range report here:
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=009592;p=1#000000
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Why do P7 owners in particular it seems like to have their guns hard chromed?
What is the allure of hard chrome?
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Two reasons for me:
The P7 finish is its only weak point.
Virgil Tripp does hard chrome and I like and respect Virgil.
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Two reasons for me:
The P7 finish is its only weak point.
Virgil Tripp does hard chrome and I like and respect Virgil.
I have NEVER seen a magazine more prone to rust than the P-7's. I have two "PSP"s, one of the early protruding magazine releases, and one of the flush mounted with night sights.
PursuitSS
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Teddy Jacobson says the P-7 is the best 9 mm. on
the planet--period.
tracker:
I could be mistaken, but didn't TJ say "AFTER" the Walther P5 the P7 is the best 9mm on the planet--period?
;D
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
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I also thought he said HK P7.
He was very gracious to answer a couple of emails from me. I bought my Glock 36 and HK USP compact .45 based on his advice.
Bill
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I also thought he said HK P7.
Well, you can't blame a guy for trying?
;D
J. Pomeroy
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I can't find a reference to support my theory.
I did find: "Case in point...the HK P7 M8 is the finest 9mm on the planet and is "SUPER" accurate right out of the box, and sadly it is no longer made but people are still paying $1250.00 for a P7 that is new when they can find it."
This he posted on the NAA message board.
http://www.naaminis.com/discus/messages/2/3357.html?1155253990
Bill
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Laserlips,
I have never heard him mention the Walther P5 during
numerous visits I have had with him but I will ask. The
p7 is definitely at the top of his list.
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Teddy did some work on a couple of my guns in the past. At that time, he was carrying an HK P7 in a custom made Alessi holster. He spends quite a bit of time in a wheel chair, so he needed a holster for use when seated.
I like Teddy and he's definitely very knowledgeable (although extremely opinionated), but I don't think his opinion is necessarily the final word on a given subject.
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Laserlips,
I have never heard him mention the Walther P5 during
numerous visits I have had with him but I will ask. The
p7 is definitely at the top of his list.
tracker:
I'm just yanking you P7M8 guys chain. I have no doubt that that TJ indeed considers the H&K P7M8 at the very top of the heap of 9mm pistols.
I have always lusted after a P7M8 myself, but it's hard to afford a Lexus on a Yugo budget... ;D
I did manage to acquire (recently) a used German Gov't Walther P5 and I am amazed at it's quality and accuracy compared to the other pistols I've owned and enjoyed over the last 50 years.
In my little part of the redneck world (SE GA.) you would find H&K P7M8's or even Walther P5's few and far between.
Let me see now... I really want a nice P7M8.. And I really want a Porsche 911.
What I have is a (for my needs) nice used Walther P5, and an 1986 El Camino.... I can live with that.
It's just fun for this old senior citizen to have a neat old pistol, with a great history and reputation for quality, and a neat old El Camino with real "chrome" bumpers..
I don't get too excited about plastic.. In firearms or vehicles. Getting old can get'cha real "opinionated", but fortunately nobody pays you any attention anyway.
Contratulations to all you folks with the H&K P7M8's... Neat pistols.
Best Wishes
J. Pomeroy
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Laserlips,
I appreciate your humor and your insight; God bless.
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I, too, lust for a P7M8 and am certain that there is one lurking around in my future. My problem is that my little wife and I have this arrangement -- for every new gun I purchase she gets to purchase some antique of undetermined but definitely greater value. That kind of arrangement makes a man cautious. :-/
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In that regard I have had some limited success with
"hold-out funds" that were not subject to budget approval.
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In that regard I have had some limited success with "hold-out funds" that were not subject to budget approval.
Tracker:
Unfortunately, I revealed and played that card too early in the pursuit of my lady. :(
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I understand that, too; priorities can ebb and flow.
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I carried the P7 on and off duty for years and love it.I carry it now on occasion but a HK Tactical .45 or one of my Wilson`s genereally accompany me since I retired.Back up was a Seecamp or custom NAA .22 Magnum.The back up will be the R9 on TU when it arrives.I found the P7 took a little more getting used to due to the operating system.I also have a P7K3 in .32/.380 and love it.
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I am really disappointed that the P7 has been discontinued. I had the chance to shoot a rental P7M8, and it is one of the easiest to shoot guns I have ever shot. I have also shot one of the rental USP's, and was nowhere near as impressed.
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Richard: I'll make sure to remind you often! :D
(http://rcfalcon.com/stuff/P7M8/5.JPG)
Well... Just to make you feel MUCH better; My NIB P7 M8, will be here this Wednesday...
Oh yah, it's coming in W/ it's Big(!?) 'Lil Bro. my new S&W Custom Shop 3" Carry Comp., 629...
I would say "Neener-Neener..!!", but that would be childish..! ;D
Sorry; Love you Guys (& GAls...) but I "Had" to share..! (LOL..!)
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[glb]Eric:
Congratulations!
(Forgive me for being green with envy.)
[/glb]
:-/
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Saw one in a gun shop NIB $1408.00.I bought my last one about 5 years ago for $750.00.Times HAVE changed. :'(
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Teddy Jacobson says the P-7 is the best 9 mm. on
the planet--period.
I MAY agree w/ "T_j's" assessment, and he does "Beautiful trigger work", but he's +++ I've withdrwn this jibberish to make peace & stop being rude... T_j; Sir, Once again, I appologize... Truth be known; "I'd love the chance for some 1 on 1 w/ you to learn a thing or 2..." I may be able to surprise you as well..! :) ;D
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I have read many similar comments about TJ and many, no
doubt, have some validity; however, after knowing him for
over 10 years both as a friend and a gunsmith, I can honestly
say nothing but good things about him. His work is first-rate
and his integrity is beyond reproach. I do know that he
responds very directly to adverse or disrespectful comments
or behavior. This is my experience and opinion and I do not
wish to engage in any arguments about it. Eric is right: we
can't all bat 1000 with our personal and professional
relationships.
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TJ is one of the very best there is at what he does. That is about as high an amount of praise as a man needs in his lifetime. He's right up there with RJ in his craft. They've both earned the right to be slightly cantankerous. I'm becoming that way myself, and with less justification than they have to do so.
As you get older, life gets better -- mainly because you don't have to care as much as you once did about what other people think of you.
I've said it before. I'll say it again. Life is good! 8)
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Very well said, Richard; the independence of spirit that is
gained after years of trying to please others is sweet indeed.
It seems that after all the noise we just need to be
accountable to ourselves, the harshest critic.
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Well I went ahead and did it, new P7M8 "Chantilly", it will be here next week. Do I need the Nills? ::)
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Newt:
Congratulations! (I'm keeping a slot in my gunsafe reserved for one of those.) 8)
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Newt - congrats on you P7! As far as the Nills, I would think you would have to recover from the cost of the P7 first. I know I would.
But after seeing how great they look, it sure is tempting. Now, do I get a set for my M8 or M13?
You guys are a bad influence!
Reinz
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Thanks Reinz! Richard don't wait, the P7M8 is the sweetest shooting 9mm I've ever had. I've got another on the way and a P7 PSP. H&K Trussville, Alabama still services them and the last production run will be at dealers in a "few months". Very acurate! www.HK-USA.com.
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There seems to be a trend here with the ownership of R9s' and the P7's. 8)
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It's called exquisite taste.
Reinz
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It's called exquisite taste.
Reinz
Ditto! And don`t forget Seecamps too.
;D ;D
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Ditto! And don`t forget Seecamps too.
;D ;D
Speaking of which, I've just put a .32 LWS on lawaway.....another link in the trend of P7/R9s ownership!
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It's called exquisite taste.
Reinz
Not only in R9s, P7s, and Seecamps but also in automobiles, women, and the other fine things of life! 8)
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Not only in R9s, P7s, and Seecamps but also in automobiles, women, and the other fine things of life! 8)
I`ll cosign on that!
;D ;D
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Yes, all around finer things in life. ;D Tom
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8) ;D
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Bringing the ol' P7 thread back to life...
If any of you are sitting on the fence -- wishing you had a P7 in your collection, the time to act is NOW!
A fresh batch of German Police Trade-ins have arrived in country and places like CDNN have (or had) a nice stock of them.
They come in three Grades -- A through C. The A-graded guns are essentially LNIB. The B-graded guns have slight finish wear and the C-graded guns include the rest. However, even the C-graded guns were carried much and fired little. Some of the internals I've seen look LNIB making these great refinish candidates.
At prices beginning just over $500 -- now is the time to grab up one of these fine pistols. Quite possibly you'll feel like many of us -- that they are the sweetest shooting 9mm pistols on the planet!
Enjoy!
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+100 on what Fly said. I got a grade A and it's like NIB. I now have 3 P7M8's, 2 P7's, & 2 P7M13's! ::) Best 9mm made IMO!
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Tom, I hear you. But at 780g emptied, I find the P7M8 quite attractive when comparing it to other 9mm steel guns:
720g Walther P99
Just my old fart opinion, and from what I hear the H&K P7M8 is argueably the finest example of the 9mm pistol ever manufactured..
My problem with the H&K P7M8 is that it's heavy, and has limited capacity.
My plastic Walther P99/AS is lighter, and offers 15+1 (or 16+1) capacity. I'm an old dude and my vision is declining, so the extra rounds are a real plus for me.
Not trying to be confrontational, just expressing my opinion. ;) Here is my cc choice & backup..
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_6805_01.jpg)
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
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Hey, if we all liked the same things this world would be in alot of trouble! :o
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Just when I'm ready to spring for a well-worn standard P7M8, I see this on the Collectors Firearms web site:
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=13504
(http:// http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/HKP7M8.jpg )
To paraphrase Rick's line in Casablanca, of all the computer monitors in all the world, she had to show up on mine. :-/
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Alittle over the top for me, I say buy the one you can & will shoot. Or you could get both :o ::).
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Richard - why did you have to show us that ? That really hurts.
Newt - it's not just the looks, it's also how it Feels in the hands as well - that engraving Feels Awesome!
Reinz
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Newt:
Thanks! I needed that!
I came to my senses and made an offer for one of the "Grade A" P7 imports.
Reinz:
She certainly is a piece of "eye candy," isn't she? 8)
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Ich habe einen HK P7 Polizei Selbstlade-Pistole gekauft. 8)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/HKP7PSP.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/HKP7PSPCaseLockManual.jpg)
At long last, I've got a P7 in my stable. Thanks to "Flyandscuba" for the heads up on the importation.
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Glad to have you as part of the Cult!
I've heard as many as 13,000 of these were de-commissioned by Germany. I predict that in the coming months we'll see importation of quite a few ex-police P7M8s and possibly even P7M13s from Europe... ;D
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I'll be picking mine up on Saturday - it's waiting for me at one of the local gun shops. ;D
I heard rumor that they've imported a huge number of these....
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Nice Richard and welcome to the , I got a grade A the other day myself! :D
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My "new" (recently retired from service with the German Police) HK P7 arrived today. Here it is ready to head to the range with another 9mm near and dear to my heart (and usually in my pocket).
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/hkp7r9.jpg)
I've ordered a monogrammed black Paddle Defender holster trimmed in shark skin from K&D Holsters for this A-Grade "squeeze cocker." Now . . . I keep looking at it and thinking about how it would look dressed up in hard chrome and grained walnut. 8)
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Congrats! An R9 in the pocket and a P7 on the belt -- makes a great CCW combination!
Looking forward to hearing some range reports and first firing impressions from these new P7 owners.... ;D
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Good deals on the P7s right now for sure!!
I traded off my BMI last year,I should pick one up,but too many other "irons in the fire" at the moment!!
I have a P7M8,so I am not lonely though ;)
But seeing how nice the P7s are..... :-/
Must resist temptation... :o
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Good deals on the P7s right now for sure!!
I traded off my BMI last year,I should pick one up,but too many other "irons in the fire" at the moment!!
I have a P7M8,so I am not lonely though ;)
But seeing how nice the P7s are..... :-/
Must resist temptation... :o
Now, Brenden . . . you know you deserve it. ;D
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Richard - that is a nice looking P7. The finish looks really nice. Is that Grade A used or new ?
If it is one of the used trade ins from CDNN, then you got me going on another one now.
Reinz
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Reinz:
It's one of the Grade A used imports that showed up on Gunbroker.com. The only marks on it are some minor "dings" on the right grip panel looking as if the butt of the holstered pistol was banged up against a door frame or something of the sort. I've ordered a replacement right grip panel from HK USA while I wait on a pair of walnut grips from Nill-Griffe in Mössingen, Germany.
The internals of this pistol appear to indicate that it saw very little use. After I've had a few months of familiarization with it, I think I'll send it and its magazines off for hard-chrome plating.
I had never tried a "squeeze cocker" before and now understand why they have acquired such "cult" status.
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And speaking of P7 PSPs, just take a look at what is currently being offered at Collector's Firearms :o :
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=14429
Brenden, this one's just to whet your appetite . . . ;) :
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/HKP7PSP.CollectorsFirearms.jpg)
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Richard ,I just sold 4 of the P7s yesterday. They all looked new. Tom
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Tom, Do you have any more?
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>>Because of the positioning of the mag release on the P7 (causing premature mag drop) I have been having a heck of a time finding a nice holster for my gun. I would love to see and hear what some of the rest of you guys use to carry your P7 - especially CC. Thanks...!...TW<<
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>>Because of the positioning of the mag release on the P7 (causing premature mag drop) I have been having a heck of a time finding a nice holster for my gun. I would love to see and hear what some of the rest of you guys use to carry your P7 - especially CC. Thanks...!...TW<<
Del Fatti!!!!
ISP-LP.. 8)
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HK P7 Import Makeover - Phase I (Karl Nill Oiled Walnut Rhomlas Grips)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/aug22_02.jpg)
Now for Phase II (Hard-Chrome Plating)
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i use a Jackass shoulder rig,Kramer belt slide and a Galco SOB.
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Phase II initiated. My HK P7 Lower Saxony state police retiree is at Virgil Tripp's "spa" for a bath of hard chrome and a little buffing around the edges. As RJ says, "Watch this space." 8)
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Virgil Tripp does great work, as you well know, Richard, and
also is one fine gentleman on a personal basis.
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Virgil Tripp does great work, as you well know, Richard, and
also is one fine gentleman on a personal basis.
Tracker:
You're absolutely right, as usual. As an example, when I called Tripp Research to give notice of my intent to ship the pistol to the company for plating, Virgil Tripp was the one who answered the telephone. He was very cordial and informative, taking the time to discuss various options for the plating process of which I had not been aware.
I enjoy doing business with companies whose CEOs are willing to deal directly with the customers . . . companies such as Tripp and Rohrbaugh, for example. 8)
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Also, Virgil makes some of the finest 1911 magazines that
I have had the pleasure to use, without a doubt.
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Also, Virgil makes some of the finest 1911 magazines that
I have had the pleasure to use, without a doubt.
Tracker:
I've been looking at those magazines on his web site. ( http://www.trippresearch.com/mags/mags.htm )
I didn't think there was anything left to do with my "tricked out" 1911 -- except maintain proficiency with it and keep it clean. In light of your recommendation, though, I think I'll order a supply of the Tripp magazines for it as soon as I complete this P7 makeover project in which I'm now involved.
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Neal, I think my source still has some, call me. Tom
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Thanks, Richard, for calling attention to Virgil's new
website. I hadn't seen that on the magazines but it
is very impressive and reflects the high quality of his
products and services.
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The plan has come together.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/InsuredbyHK.jpg)
Thanks to Virgil Tripp of Tripp Research for the following work:
· Plating the entire pistol, including barrel and magazines, in Cobra Chrome, with brushed flats
· Removing mill markings from each side of trigger guard.
· Removing engraved warning from bottom of trigger guard.
· Squaring off irregular stippling on frame back strap.
Thanks to A. Herzig-Zug of Karl Nill Massgriffe & Holzverarbeitung GmbH for selecting the matched pair of grained walnut Rhomlas grips.
And thanks again to "Flyandscuba" for the heads up on the P7 imports. As he has previously observed, having a P7 on the belt and a R9 in the pocket makes an excellent CCW combination.
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Richard, very nice looking P7. Did he chrome the bore? Tom
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Tom:
Only the outside of the barrel was chromed.
For anyone thinking of having a pistol plated with hard chrome, I highly recommend Tripp Research. The turnaround time on this P7 was under two weeks, and the work is flawless -- absolutely flawless!
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DVC:
Congratulations on an excellent purchase, and welcome to the growing club of R9/P7 owners.
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Nice gun.I have only one now.Had a nickel gun a few years back too.
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While waiting for some custom holster designs, including a K&D Paddle Defender and perhaps a "prototype" cargo-pocket rig from RJ (if I can convince him to try it) for my newly acquired and refurbished P7 (Tripp Cobra Chrome and Nill walnut Rhomlas grips), I'm finding this LCSII holster from Law Concealment Systems to be a practical and comfortable IWB carry option for the piece:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/HKP7LCSIIHolster.jpg)
http://www.handgunconcealment.com/
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Like a hand in a glove, Richard.
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Kevin Manley at K&D Holsters has just sent me this beautiful, monogrammed, shark trimmed, adjustable cant, "Paddle Defender" holster and matching magazine case for my HK P7 "Nds" retiree refurbished by Virgil Tripp:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/HKP7withKDHolster.jpg)
http://www.kdholsters.com/owb-defend.php
Life is good! 8)
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Richard, now you are in tall cotton ;) 8) Tom
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;DRichard it don't get much better than that, beeeeeeutiful rig. ::)
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Richard,
A very nice re-work you've had done on that P7! So, tell me -- how do you like the way it shoots???? ;D
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Richard,
A very nice re-work you've had done on that P7! So, tell me -- how do you like the way it shoots???? ;D
Thank you, Sir!
As for the way it shoots . . . this P7 is just about the most inherently accurate shooter I've ever owned. As a matter of fact, it was this post of yours which first sparked my interest in the P7 line of pistols:
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Other;action=display;num=1091833953#1
8)
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Wow! Time really flies...
I remember reading about the P7 trade-ins and was on a business trip in early 2004 where I stopped in at Kevin's Sporting Goods in Tallahassee. Browsing the case, I saw a couple of the P7s. The guy behind the counter recognized me as I use that gun store as a frequent "pit stop" while traveling down I-10. Always much to see in the store (I eyed a NIB Galil 7.62 for a year until someone else bought it) -- but the prices are not the best for bargain hunters.
Anyway, I conversed with the chap for a bit -- looked at both P7s and selected the one with the best finish. I think it had a $725 price tag on it. The guy produces a plastic bag from behind the counter that has the original issue (mint condition) German holster with the two swivel attachments and a couple of mag pouches, and an obligatory gun lock. We settle on $650 for the works and a box of Federal American FMJ ammo thrown in and the deal is done.
I spent most of the evening in my hotel admiring the gun (trying to make sense out of the manual printed in German) and searching the internet for anything I could find (discovered the "Cult's" website). The next day had me down in Hollywood, FL. I was staying in the Courtyard next door to the Bass Pro and low and behold they had an indoor range. I took my new prize with me after dinner and decided to try it out. The photo of the target in that referenced post was the first mag full of ammo during the very first range session with the gun.
I remember the first shot... I took my time and focused on the front sight and ever so consistently squeezed the trigger. The first shot was a surprise and when I looked at the target and saw it in the center of the 10 ring -- it scared me! My thought was "what luck". I then fired off the remaining 8 rounds -- slightly pulling the last two to the bottom of the group.
I knew at that moment I had found my CCW weapon for life. Yes, it was 9mm in a day where everyone promotes bigger/heavier/larger mag capacity/etc. But I knew after that range session that should I need to pull the trigger in self defense -- the bullet would strike home. Better to hit consistently with the 9mm (especially with my normal load of Winchester Ranger T 127gr. +P+) than to have a near miss with something else.
Don't get me wrong. I own many other guns that I like too -- some that I am pretty darn accurate and consistent with (the Kahr P45 for one) too... However, when I strike out with attire that will conceal a belt carry firearm -- it almost always is a P7 or P7M8.
That original P7 is still my favorite CCW. In fact, I've got a nice set of Nills for it -- and after seeing your "spa" treatment from Vrigil Tripp, I may have to let it take a vacation (I've got another I can use).
All I really need is the hard chrome with the polished sides of the slide. No other real issues to deal with...
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Hey Richard - you are the only one I have ever seen with a "Law" holster. I have been using them for over 15 years when they were called the "Shadow".
I have 4 or 5, all sizes.
Great generic for revolvers or autos to use anywhere along the waist when you don't have your custom rig yet.
Reinz
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Flyandscuba:
I enjoyed the recounting of your having to use a German owner's manual for instruction on your initial P7. After years of shooting and carrying primarily 1911s and DAO pocket pistols, I found it to be an entirely new experience to learn the manual of arms for these "squeeze cockers" -- and my original owner's manual for the P7 was printed in English. I've since obtained every P7 manual I can find, factory and after-market, English and German, even including the armorer's manual. Those German versions are a real challenge, even for one who used to have passable proficiency in the language.
Reinz:
I agree with you on the Law Concealment holsters. Their "marsupial" design for IWB use is an excellent example of the old "KISS" principle in operation. When on travel, even if I'm not wearing the LCSII, I usually pack it in my bag just in case I need to change belt holsters. It lies flat and takes up no appreciable space when packed.
In that photograph above of the LCSII, the P7 is sitting rather low in the holster. I've since started holstering the short-barrelled P7 a little bit higher when using the LCSII. To take up the unused space below the barrel, I just insert a small piece of silicone cleaning cloth in the bottom of the holster's compartment. That not only helps to stabilize the holstered pistol but also provides a handy cloth to wipe down the entire rig at the end of the day. 8)
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Laserlips,
I appreciate your humor and your insight; God bless.
tracker:
Hey, I'm good at "eating crow" too....
;D
I got my first HK P7 PSP a week or so back and I'm ruined I tell you, ruined....
My "A" grade P7 PSP (seems some regular PSP folks get testy if you leave the P7 part out) came "as new" from CDNN, and to say I am well pleased with it is an understatement.
Awesomely accurate right out of the box, and it "feels" in the hand very close to as good as Mary S. did in the back seat of my 1953 Chevy at the drive-inn theatre in Waycross, Ga. wayyy back in 1961.. Note the "almost" ;)
I'm so pleased with my first P7 PSP that I'm saving my pennies as fast as possible to buy another just like it... Then I want one of them "Tripped" and "Nilled", and, and .. Well you get my drift.
Seriously, a fine firearm, and I'm just sorry I came so late to the dance... But, better late than never, and I'm here to stay..
Best Wishes,
JPomeroy
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I was just looking at one of these at one of the local guns stores but did not ask to many questions and just remembered about some people ranting how much they like the gun.
So I figure I will ask what is so specila about this gun and the way it works and is it worth picking one up? Not sure how old the one they have but it was all black. Thanks
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The p7 is one you buy and ask questions later. Some people
cannot do that, however; then, there are those who have
paralysis by analysis. I fell into the first group and have been
happy ever since.
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Richard,
Two questions please.
1. Are Nill grips on the P7 thicker, thinner or about the same as original HK grips? (I have smaller hands, don't want a thicker grip).
2. I notice there are basically two Nill models for the P7 PSP (w/recessed mag release). One, as yours, has checkering 3/4 of the way from the bottom of the grip up, while the other seems to have "old style" fuller checkering. Any particular reason most of the chromed pistols seem to have the same style grips as your pistol?
Thanks!
Jesse
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Jesse:
My wife and I just returned from spending the weekend at our mountain cabin and I have only now seen your post.
The Nill grips are a little thicker than the factory plastics, but I don't find them to add too much girth to the butt. (My hands are on the smaller side of medium in size, and I am also missing the first joint of my right ring finger as a result of some past unpleasantness. Even so, I am able to control my Desert Eagle .50AE, so the P7 with Nills grips presents no problem.)
Here is a cut-and-paste from the Nill web site as to the choices which the company offers for the P7 with the 18mm-wide mag holder and flush heel mag release (the model which comprises the bulk of the recent imports):
HK035 Ergonomic symmetrical basic version / pp.18-22 B ST stippled, laquered Walnut 102.00 D
HK0358 Ergonomic symmetrical basic version / pp.18-22 B ST Rhomlas, oiled Walnut 102.00 A
HK037 With thumbrest / pp.22-23 R ST stippled, laquered Walnut 118.80 D
HK0378 With thumbrest / pp.22-23 R ST Rhomlas, oiled Walnut 118.80 B
http://www.nill-griffe.com/
I ordered my Nill grips direct from the factory in Germany and found them to be very responsive and helpful.
Let me kow if I can provide any further infomation.
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Richard,
Thanks for the reply.. Rather than consider refinishing my 1st P7, or adding Nills to it I decided instead to order a 2nd P7, and I did that yesterday, again w/Neal at CDNN.
After I have both pistols to compare I'll start saving my pennies all over again for a "Trip to Tripp" & Nills for at least one of them.
Thank you again for the input, and JoAnn said to please leave the keys to the mountain cabin someplace we can find them.
;D
Best Wishes,
Jesse
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Jesse:
That sounds like a plan!
As for the keys to the cabin, it would be harder to find the cabin than the keys. Its location is so remote that you really have to want to get there to get there. And once you're there, this bandit and his gang of thieves are waiting:
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;)
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;)
My wife would go thru those coons like corn thru a goose, but I'm too old to face such adversaries. :)
Congrats to you tho for having such place.
Best Wishes,
Jesse
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The P7 is wonderful to shoot. The CDNN grade A's are a wonderful deal. I was thinking of hard chroming but the addition of dark Nills grips would be equally wonderful.
Enjoy.
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It's a sickness I tell you.......... :o
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Now that I'm completely out of money... Guess it's time to start saving for Nills? (X3)
Jesse
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Ok I still do not understand the hype about this gun, can someone let me in as I was looking at one at a local store price was 1200 which though was high but I know nothing about this so please spill it. Thanks
G
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Ok I still do not understand the hype about this gun, can someone let me in as I was looking at one at a local store price was 1200 which though was high but I know nothing about this so please spill it. Thanks
G
gm: First, let me fess up I'm a newbie HK P7 owner, but I'm NOT a newbie when it comes to wanting one..
I believe the pistol you saw was more than likely a P7M8.. The P7M8 is the series after the P7, which is basically the same pistol as the P7 with subtle differences.. The M8 has a larger triggerguard and a plastic heat shield in the top of it to retard heat from the barrel to the trigger finger.. The M8 has the "Americanized" magazine release in the grip.(ambi). I've heard the sights are slightly different in width of gap, etc. and I think the firing pin comes out in a slightly different, easier, or more difficult way.. (don't know for sure about that.).
The HK P7 pistols I bought from CDNN are from the batch recently released by the German Government, and came from the armory (or coffee shop, or someplace) of the Lower Saxony Police. (I think Lower Saxony is like a "state" would be here.)
These P7's were graded by HK people in Germany prior to shipment and rated according to INTERNAL wear. I believe the three grades were "A,B,C".. I've never seen any "C"s, but there are lots of "B"'s (very good to excellent), and fewer "A"'s, (excellent to like new). Apparently you can see some "B"'s that appear nicer than some "A"s, but again the pistols were graded on internal wear, not visual appearance.
If you care to research you will find the HK P7 series of pistols are considered by knowledgeable firearm experts as one of the very best 9mm pistols ever manufactured..
The pistol is made of the highest quality materials, has a reputation for fantastic reliability, and amazing accuracy. The photo below was taken of the results of the 1st mag (8rds) fired from my first surplus P7.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8654.jpg)
The target was shot from only 7 yards as I was just trying to determine poa/poi. I'm a senior citizen, shaky hands, crappy eyes, and an average shot. I was quite amazed when the first round impacted in the X ring, as did all the rest of them. (I've posted this before, so I apologize to those folks having to read it again).
The squeezecocker HK P7 has an amazingly light single action trigger pull.. Every time.. The design of the pistol makes it capable of unusual accuracy if the shooter will do his part.
The Cons of the P7 series are they will get hot quickly if more than several mags. are fired thru them rapidly. The pistols are heavy as they are all metal. The mag capacity is 8.
The Pros of the P7 series are they have the reputation as the "safest" 9mm pistol, (squeezecocker), top reputation in both reliability and accuracy, and have a great resale value.. Even tho once you buy and shoot one you won't have the desire to part with it. In fact chances are you'll buy more..
I did not intend to buy three of these suckers.. But after shooting my first I wanted more.. (This sickness is known as "HK P7 fever).. :)
The prices of these surplus P7's run $599.95 for B grades at CDNN and $674.95 for A grade pistols. These same pistols are sold elsewhere for varying amounts + or -..
All three of my A grade P7's appeared to my uneducated eye as basically unused. I'm not saying they were, but they have that appearance, and that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
All three are amazingly accurate, a pleasure to shoot, and you need to buy one and see for yourself.
Hope this helps.
Jesse ;D
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I've finally found a Chantilly P7M8 that hopefully will be here by the end of this week. For those of you who don't know, the P7M8 imported when HK was in their Chantilly, VA facility is probably the most sought after P7M8 by P7 afficionados.
These guns were imported in the mid to late '80s. '83-'88 IIRC. The overall fit and finish of these imports are considered to be the best HK has made. The serial number etching and other stamping are clearer than other models. Early Sterling, VA imports are probably the next desirable of the guns.
I've been looking for one for a while now. I finally found one when the cash was available. I'll be sure to post pictures when I get it.
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Thanks, I guess I will have to start looking, always liked HK as an overall brand.
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I think the firing pin comes out in a slightly different, easier, or more difficult way.. (don't know for sure about that.).....
The Mxx models have a firing pin assembly that can be removed by pressing your thumb onto the assembly and rotating it while the squeezer is slightly depressed. The standard P7 requires a key to remove the firing pin assembly.
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Ok I still do not understand the hype about this gun, can someone let me in as I was looking at one at a local store price was 1200 which though was high but I know nothing about this so please spill it. Thanks
G
Gary:
All I can say is that I found the the P7s to be addictive -- just like the R9s.
In addition to the JB's excellent summary above (he's one of the moderators over at PCT under the handle "HK45C"), here's a link to another review of the pistols which has been saved in PCT's FAQ section:
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/pct_faq.htm#9
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dct:
What is your overall opinion of your P7 after having it Tripp Cobrachromed and with addition of Nill grips?
I mean as in a before/after comparison?
No doubt the pistol is beautiful hardchromed, and the Nill grips really add the look of class to the P7, but would you do it again, and would you do anything different?
I bought my first P7 with the intentions of performing the very same refinishing and Nill grips because I was so taken with the appearance of the P7 after having it done, but I got stuck buying two more P7's instead..
I don't plan to buy any more P7's so now I can reconsider whether or not to have one "beautified", what's you opinion on that?
Thanks!
Jesse
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Jesse:
I haven't seen "dctfn" here at the campfire for a little over a year now. If he doesn't see and respond to your post, you might try sending it to him by PM through his Forum profile page.