The Rohrbaugh Forum
Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: riffraff on September 30, 2008, 08:09:33 PM
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Hey Guys,
I got a reply E-mail!
Production was supposed to start this October. Due to metal supplier problems, production will be delayed. It was jokeingly stated that due to such problems, production might not begin untill this time next year.
I think we might see something by early 2009 but nothing sooner.
I personally am really, really intreqed-? -interested by/in this pistol.
I want the original full size design myself.
Mike
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This is about the only pistol I'm interested in adding to my collection..........patiently waiting 8)
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This is about the only pistol I'm interested in adding to my collection..........patiently waiting 8)
I don't doubt that with all the Seecamps you have hidden away. ;D
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;DHenry- Although I love the LWS line, I own just one.
A custom s/n trigger lock .380.
The R9 is about the only other mouse gun that I feel is in the same league as the Seecamp 8)
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I got an email from Arne yesterday. I had inquired about how things were going on getting the XR9 production started. He has just finished up some testing on the Shorty model. The slide had not been heat-treated and after a couple thousand rounds of various ammo including +P and +P+ some peening started. He will be making a new slide for the test gun and then heat-treating it to see how it will hold up then. He noted that with all the testing he has done this past summer he has worked out any durability issues.
He also said "My new goal is to launch some time in Q2, but it will be worth the wait. I want this thing to be dead solid before it gets out there, so I really appreciate your patience."
I for one can't wait!
Corey
PS. Does anybody know when "Q2" is? ???
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I got an email from Arne yesterday. I had inquired about how things were going on getting the XR9 production started. He has just finished up some testing on the Shorty model. The slide had not been heat-treated and after a couple thousand rounds of various ammo including +P and +P+ some peening started. He will be making a new slide for the test gun and then heat-treating it to see how it will hold up then. He noted that with all the testing he has done this past summer he has worked out any durability issues.
He also said "My new goal is to launch some time in Q2, but it will be worth the wait. I want this thing to be dead solid before it gets out there, so I really appreciate your patience."
I for one can't wait!
Corey
PS. Does anybody know when "Q2" is? ???
Q2 is second quarter. April. May and June.
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He's is going to start taking orders in a couple weeks. First guns will be shipped out in June! I for one am looking forward to this gun.
Corey
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Looks like introductory pricing will be $849 for the XR9 Shorty based on an email of April 14, 09. They will have a web site, BobergArms.com, that will be up around 5 weeks from April 14, and will be taking preorders then. I am looking forward to this as well.
UPDATE: Just got an email from Arne saying first shipment to be in August, and web site to go live in July and taking preorders then from the website.
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OK I give up, can someone direct me to a picture of this Boberg XR9 tried but can't find one online.
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Sorry I found it or should I say my son found the Boberg website. Nice gun both long and short.
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OK I give up, can someone direct me to a picture of this Boberg XR9 tried but can't find one online.
http://bobergengineering.com/
(http://bobergengineering.com/_borders/mini_gun.jpg)
(http://bobergengineering.com/ABB-Shorty2-paint2.jpg)
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Thanks very, very, nice.
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I want one!
I WILL have one! :o
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I had never heard of this gun prior to finding this string. It looks impressive in the long version (as soon as you eliminate the picitinny rail). In the short version, I don't get it. It looks like a first cousin of the Micro Desert gun.
I will look forward to seeing one at a future show or gunshop. It appears to be made of high quality.
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One significant difference is the barrel length. The Boberg short
has a 3.3" barrel compared to 2.9"on the R9 and just 2.2" on the
Desert Micro.
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Two features I really like on this gun are 1.) Frame mag release button and 2). Takedown lever which looks "Sig like"
Simple is Good.
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A very unique design and has a lot of promise if it delivers.
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I would hope to give it a fair chance if I get one in my hand but I would have to get beyond that picitinny rail. I know I am beating a dead horse on this and other strings but I don't like "doo-dads". Give me simple.
The picitinny rail, for me, is unnecessary on so small a gun and detracts from its appearance in my view. Strike that, I hate picitinny rail on all guns, regardless of size.
However, I reiterate that this gun has a lot going for it and quality seems to be clearly evidenced
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Absolutely.
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This gun has a very interesting internal feed/extraction method which I read by going further into an internet search.
However, it is now mid July. Did this product launch in June as was predicted?
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Sent Arne an email just now to see if we can get an update. We'll see.
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kjtrains,
Boberg is very near me and I would love to come see what he is doing. Ask him if he allows someone to come in and tour and I will give everyone a review.
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I just received a response from Boberg. They state "we have 600 pounds of steel to convert into jigs and we are not making any predictions."
I have been involved in many product launches in my career. Invariably the company wants to feed the desire of customer expectations but not launch until it is ready.
I find this personally disappointing because this gun (in long version) has strong appeal.
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Got the same response. Hopefully it won't be long. States they still have 600 lbs of steel left to process, down from 900 lbs.
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kjtrains,
Boberg is very near me and I would love to come see what he is doing. Ask him if he allows someone to come in and tour and I will give everyone a review.
FB
Email Arne at Arbomatrix@aol.com. The website, so far, is Bobergengineering.com. for information.
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done and done, thanks
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Keep us informed if he lets you tour. That would be really good if you can tour the factory.
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Boberg factory tour would be a nice good will gesture but I would not count on it. Boberg has failed their projected launch, is clearly hedging at the present time and a factory tour would be regarded as a distraction.
That is my guess. Feel free to contradict my statement.
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Boberg's response to me on May 13 was first guns to ship in August, web site to be up in July (no date in July) and orders would be taken on the web site. Expected to have some brochures in July. New web site, BobergArms.com to be up in July. He hasn't missed a launch date yet; does remain to be seen if the web site comes up in July.
Don't be too hard on this guy. I do believe he's trying.
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How is it that you conclude I am being too hard on this guy?
My posts include the following:
1. Personal fact based experience as to product launch
2. Expression of disappointment which is only an opinion.
3. Conjecture regarding Boberg's reception to a tour; a matter presently not in play, to which I politely invited dissenting points of view.
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Ok, lets see.
1. He says first guns should be ready to ship in August.
2. You shouldn't be disappointed about something that hasn't happened yet.
3. Conjecture regarding Bobergs' reception to a tour is neither here nor there.
Get a grip. Let it drop and lets see what happens.
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"You shouldn't get disappointed about something that hasn't happened yet"(?)
Is this not a departure with reality? Are we called upon to suspend belief that anticipation is not germane?
Please refrain from useage of my posts as a mechanism to defend Boberg. If you are closer to this matter than I am, fine. I wish Boberg well but reserve the right to post observations regarding events in which I have a reasonable interest without your attempts to dissuade my opinions.
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My appologies.
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Here is the response I recieved.
"The XR9 has already been developed, so there is nothing to see there. What is being created here in White Bear Lake is the manufacturing process which is highly proprietary, which you may understand as it is extremely difficult to make guns inexpensively. So, for now, tours are not possible.
Thanks for asking!
Arne Boberg
President
Boberg Arms Corp."
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Good information. Thanks!
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Heres another follow up email.
"David,
Don't feel too bad - we have turned down several trustworthy individuals for a tour. The way we look at it is that if some big company steals our patent, we can still beat them in manufacturing cost. That being said, we are getting security screens for the critical areas, but the assembly areas will be available for tours once we are up and running. I'll let you know.
Arne"
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I received this today after asking about when the shorty will be on the market.
We have been slow on status updates because we have been busy building our gun factory. Also, our meeting with the ATF on Wed did not go well. The soonest they will issue our license is some time in October. So hang tight!
Arne
John
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Thanks FB and John for the update.
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I went through many government audits during my career and found that they are good people. But: do not go to an audit unprepared.
My guess as to why the meeting with ATF did not go well is probably due to Boberg's being so busy on startup issues. This is only speculation based upon relevant experience.
I hope Boberg rebounds from this matter as I believe they have a highly marketable product.
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Looks like the dummy guns are out. Must mean that the guns a are getting closer!! The link has some comparison pics with a R9. Im still VERY much looking forward to getting my hands on one of these.
http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1256652149/4#4
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The Boberg has a lot going for it externally: there is a lot of trigger finger room and apparently adequate grip length for a positive grip purchase instead of dropping off the little finger which drives some of us crazy.
However there is a long road between prototypes and a functioning, marketable, reliable weapon.
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tracker's point is valid. I wish Boberg well but it is untested.
Wake me up when they come out with the version that actually has a barrel. That short version, to me, is awful.
The short version Boberg does have some merit. It makes me admire my R9 with all the more zeal.
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the barrel there but hidden, so to speak, with the unique design? I can understand if you just have to see a distinct barrel but that is a different problem. The proof will be in its functionality and accuracy; kind of like a Glock's acceptance: pretty is as pretty does.
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Rare moment: I disagree with tracker!
Of course there is a barrel but the short version is ugly, in my view. There is not a right or wrong answer, which is why we participate in a forum.
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Thanks, ACP; I respect and value your judgment and comments, also. We can and should disagree but I think most all of us appreciate quality.
Sometimes, there are some nuances along the way. This forum is a model for expressing our views in a "collegiate" fashion, as I think you stated very well.
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Has anyone seen any reviews on the Bobergs, even at this early stage?
Chief
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No is the short answer. I don't think Boberg is at the stage where a test gun is ready to go for review.
I will defer to someone who may know differently or better than me.
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I LOVE the way the shorty looks. CAN'T WAIT TO GET MINE!!!
(http://bobergengineering.com/boberg_XR9S_8077.jpg)
If you have not already check out the 4 new videos that have been posted of the xr9 firing. Click the four small pics (to play videos) under the big picture.
http://bobergengineering.com/
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Corey. Good information. Thanks!
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Well, I've got a XR9 front pocket holster (thanks www.mecopocketholsters.com! ) now all I need is a XR9!!!!!! Man I want one of these things. I hope they make the market soon.
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/holsters/xr9.jpg)
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Corey. Good looking holster. You're now ahead of the game.
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Yes, it is amazing that there are holsters for a weapon that does not exist yet.
Chief
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I've read, somewhere, that dummy models have been made.
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Yes, they have the "Blue" guns they made the molds after, but concidering the backlog that the quality Holster makers seem to have, it is quite something that they made time to manufacture a holster for a model that has not been released yet.
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I wonder, in a stress situation, how many fingers I would shoot off before I remembered how short that barrel is? Aren't they making a version with a longer barrel? It is cute and I'm sure I'll buy one. Tom, are you going to sell these? Gene ps Great looking holster Corey and robert!
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Correy
That is a very nice holster. Robert did a great job with the new gun.
The company was nice enough to loan Robert and I their dummy gun to try out. Lets hope the real thing is ready soon.
Jim 8)
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I wonder, in a stress situation, how many fingers I would shoot off before I remembered how short that barrel is?!
The main reason I can not get into the Desert Eagle 380.
It's set up the same way.
Reinz
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Concur, as I have previously stated. For me, the "shooting trigger guard" (short version) is distasteful, while the long barrel version has some serious appeal.
Further, the design of the long version Boberg appears to be very innovative and, as I have previously stated, I wish Boberg well because I think they have an interesting proprietary design.
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I surely agree as the Boberg does have distinctive characteristics.
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I'm with you ACP.
If I ever do have to opportunity to buy one, I'm sure it would be the longer barrel - for safety.
Reinz
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I'm thinking longer barrel as well. Like the look better. Like the look of the Rohrbaugh, even better!
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Every time I see that short barrel it reminds me of a "Downsizer" even though it is a totally different concept and design. I would like to compare the two Boberg guns together.
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It's different,and I think I like it ;D
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Every time I see that short barrel it reminds me of a "Downsizer" even though it is a totally different concept and design. I would like to compare the two Boberg guns together.
tracker. An overlay is shown of the two guns in the bottom image. You may have seen this before.
http://www.bobergengineering.com/which_one.htm
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Thanks, KJ; I had seen it before but it has been awhile. It would be fun to handle them comparatively. The longer barrel would be perfect for one of the new miniature laser sights. There is the new Stingray SR1 from Armalaser and a new one due out this year from Viridian, possibly green.
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It's different,and I think I like it ;D
The more I look at it, the Shorty, the more I like it as well. This may be one gun where you have to have both. ;D
http://www.bobergengineering.com/boberg_xr9shorty.htm
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It could very well qualify as an overdose item.
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I agree. I'm going to have to stop looking.
http://www.vwatch.tv/video/WFcnmf0L9js/Boberg-XR9S-Shorty.html
http://www.vwatch.tv/video/gXJtYpNUsHg/Boberg-XR-9-9mm.html
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Boberg (Arne) states he would be happy if they were producing guns by June, but not to hold him to that. They still have 100 lbs of steel that needs to machined into production fixtures.
This is a response from my email to Arne, 1/3/10.
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100 Lbs or 100 Tons?
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His reply was 100 lbs. I didn't question him back.
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Action Hero for the 22nd Century: He carries an R45 and a Boberg.
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Could be!
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My intent was one of sarcasm. News regarding R45 and Boberg is WAY too advanced compared to product availability. That is why I stated "22nd Century".
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I know. It's probably going to seem like that long and is why I stated, could be.
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Arne got his site up!
http://www.bobergarms.com
(Fixed link, thanks Arne)
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I see we can preorder a Boberg shorty at a nice savings as well :) Wonder if the Rohrbaugh Brothers are going to do that with the R45.......... (Fingers and toes crossed :) )
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Arne got his new site going!
http://bobergcommunity.ning.com/
Corey. Thanks. Signed up to his site. Hope Arne will give us regular updates now. It's a positive thing for sure.
And the Boberg can fire +P ammo!
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Good for Boberg. They appear much further along than the mythical R45.
Still waiting for the long barrel version but this gun has a lot going for it.
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This should be interesting to see in person. Price is very appealing and +P is obviously a plus.
The R9 is pretty slick looking though.
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I agree. A good thing is that the Boberg can fire +P ammo, although, I know the +P may not add any more engery due to the short barrel, the longer barrel, maybe.
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The R9, for me, is the definitive gun that goes with me everywhere. However, I am sick and tired of behaving myself, remaining content with my Robar R9, holding my breath for the R45 and not buying any guns.
I would preorder the long barrel Boberg today if it was within a reasonable event horizon. 7+1, frame mounted mag release...what's not to love? (Picitinny rail is the answer to this question).
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It is definitely hard to hold the contentment, though I am remaining patient. I think the R45 and Boberg are in the near future, if you can call, within 6 to 8 months for the Boberg and a year + for the R45.
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(Picitinny rail is the answer to this question)
You are right - we will be eliminating the rail for the XR9-L (full size). The original reason for it was to compete against larger pistols that do have rails. Imagine a bedside gun with a flashlight that is small enough to hide under the corner of your pillow... As it turned out, the rail was too short for 90% of the accessories out there. We really need to focus on the concealed-carry market for now. If a laser is desired, we may bring on a laser-grip maker in the future.
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I agree. A good thing is that the Boberg can fire +P ammo, although, I know the +P may not add any more engery due to the short barrel, the longer barrel, maybe.
As tested, the 3.35" barreled XR9-S (Shorty) has delivered 484 fpe with Cor-Bon PowRball (tm) 100 gr JHP, the 4.20" barreled XR9-L (full) has delivered 539 fpe.
So you see, +P ammo can deliver excellent power in a pocket pistol. Based on gun reviews, the most energy I have seen an R9S deliver is 321 fpe (using standard pressure ammo).
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Just a correction on the web link to Boberg Arms Corp. It should be http://www.BobergArms.com
Many new videos and overlays!
Note - not ready for ordering yet.
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I am impressed. Do you have any idea when you can accept pre-orders? I know it's probably a little too soon. Just thought I would ask.
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At this point I would be guessing since it is on the manufacturing department at this point. I have told them to be done this Spring, but we will see if that happens. Building a gun factory is no small task!
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I wonder, in a stress situation, how many fingers I would shoot off before I remembered how short that barrel is? Aren't they making a version with a longer barrel? It is cute and I'm sure I'll buy one. Tom, are you going to sell these?
Well, the shooter "Melody" did dangle her finger, but it is still there (see video link). We are still coaching her on proper grip...
http://www.bobergarms.com/video/melody-boberg-xr9s-closeup-2
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Thanks. I know, it's got to be huge. We now have an idea. Again, thanks!
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Yes, it is amazing that there are holsters for a weapon that does not exist yet.
Chief
Well, I've got mine... ;D
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Arne. Perks! ;D ;D
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I sent Boberg an email and PM regarding longer barrel version. What can I say? The R45 is a myth and the flesh is weak.
If I understand correctly, we can't preorder the long barrel Boberg yet but I think it is important to let these people know we are interested.
Perhaps they will listen to us and, unlike the R45, actually make this piece within a reasonable time frame.
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I think they will. I'm interested in both and interesting to see Arne here on the Forum.
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Well, I've got mine... ;D
Me too ::)
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It appears that Arne has plowed a fertile field here. Good on you, Arne.
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Just a head's up to those of you who may care. Those who don't please ingore my post.
The Boberg forum in its current iteration reveals full names of anyone that posts. For professional or personal reasons, some of us would rather not have gun sites show up when our names are Googled. I learned about this in a harmless way when several months after I posted on a woodworking website, someone I didn't know that well asked me how my woodworking was coming. I asked how they knew I was a woodworker and they told me they Googled me. I recommended to Arne that he switch to a system of usernames, perhaps much like this website. I had a post on that forum, but have since deleted it.
I am sorry if this post better belongs on the Boberg forum, but since some of the users of this site are likely to benefit by reading this before posting there, I think this post should be OK. Also, I can't post on that Forum just yet. :-[
I hope to have my new pup ( Special Forces) in the next 7-10 days and hope to post a range report within the following week.
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Kayaker. Thanks for the heads' up.
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Kayaker:
Dittos for your advice. I have zero problem sharing my name and address with persons of good will on this forum or elsewhere. However, that is a volitionary act and a whole other thing compared to being involuntarily hacked.
I had $2700 of identity theft against my debit card about 2 years ago and I DO NOT trust the internet. Big hint as to the culprit: They were no "Pal" of mine.
Fortunately my bank, with which I have a substantial investment, accommodated me and funds were quickly restored. In retrospect, it is comical. My bank asked me if I had been in London recently buying $400 worth of Iron Maiden memorabilia. Uh, no. That was just the start of what the hackers did with my card in a 36 hour period.
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Good and timely advice.
I personally maintain a special debit-card account which I use for Internet purchases. That account never has any more funds in it than I need at the time. So far, so good . . . .
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I'm interested in both and interesting to see Arne here on the Forum.
Of course, I will be expecting Karl and Eric to be snooping around in my forum... ;D
My first forum was THR. When signing up it asked for "username", so I just used an abbreviation of my name with middle initial. What I didn't know was that it would be displayed as my handle, and I thought it looked kind of dumb and hard to pronounce. Well, just to be consistent, I have used that same username on all the forums where I am a member, just so people know I'm the same person. I guess I am stuck with it. :(
By the way, you can enter a "handle" name on the Boberg Forum. I have no way of changing the description of the sign-up field to something else (like "username"), but I did put a note in the blog section at the bottom of the home page apprising users that you can enter any name in the "full name" field.
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If I understand correctly, we can't preorder the long barrel Boberg yet but I think it is important to let these people know we are interested.
Perhaps they will listen to us and, unlike the R45, actually make this piece within a reasonable time frame.
The more I hear about it, the more I'm thinking of the XR45 instead of the XR9-L. Naww - just kidding - the .45 will have to wait... :)
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The XR45! Nice sound.
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Well, I've got mine... ;D
I wish I had mine!! :D :D I'll get the holster, in black.
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Good and timely advice.
I personally maintain a special debit-card account which I use for Internet purchases. That account never has any more funds in it than I need at the time. So far, so good . . . .
Ditto on that...I do the same thing and recommend the same to perps who do internet dealings. The only thing I would add is: don't use a debit card from a bank that has other accounts you have and try and get away with using your middle name instead of your first name. Some banks will allow this if you tell them what your doing with it like RichardS is implying. Oh, one more thing is, use the same card setup for gas purchases. I have had a few people tell me about how the card was hacked somehow by some jackazz sitting in a car hacking stuff if the station has a wifi or other "wireless" system.
Another two to three cents from an amateur (did I spell that right? ;D)
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Good advice from Richard and P7. The bad guys are trying everything from a to z these days and dreaming up stuff that doesn't even fit the alphabet. Have to stay ahead, for sure!
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Ditto on that...I do the same thing and recommend the same to perps who do internet dealings. The only thing I would add is: don't use a debit card from a bank that has other accounts you have and try and get away with using your middle name instead of your first name. Some banks will allow this if you tell them what your doing with it like RichardS is implying. Oh, one more thing is, use the same card setup for gas purchases. I have had a few people tell me about how the card was hacked somehow by some jackazz sitting in a car hacking stuff if the station has a wifi or other "wireless" system.
Another two to three cents from an amateur (did I spell that right? ;D)
More excellent advice. I should have mentioned that the debit-card account I maintain for Internet purchases is the only account I have in that particular host bank. I usually keep a couple of hundred Dollars in the account under the assumption that losing that amount wouldn't cause much damage except to my anger-induced blood pressure. If I plan to make a significant Internet purchase I'll just deposit the required amount into the account and proceed immediately with the transaction.
As I mentioned before, so far, so good . . . .
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The business acumen of each individual has to surpass those who are trying to take advantage. If not, those who don't, will pay the price.
Just my nickels' worth. :) ;)
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kjtrains;
Don't be so modest. I think you post represents a profundity.
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"Assume nothing; trust no one; check everything."
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kjtrains;
Don't be so modest. I think you post represents a profundity.
ACP. Thanks. Just my thoughts.
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"Assume nothing; trust no one; check everything."
All of the above are a must!
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Just checked Boberg's website on the availability of the XR9. Arne states "Our retail launch is scheduled to happen yet this summer"; yes, he used the word, "yet".
http://www.bobergarms.com/forum/topics/how-does-the-xr9s-short-fit-in?page=1&commentId=2312567%3AComment%3A2823&x=1#2312567Comment2823
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I checked there site several days ago also, and didn't find any encouraging information. And the last time I contacted Microtech about the Archangel, they e-mailed me back saying they were working on it. ::)
John
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I was hoping for some good information as the last time I heard anything was, hoping for production to start, July.
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Hello friends.
As I live only 20 min from Arne and Boberg Arms in White Bear Lake MN (I'm in Stillwater, MN), I've had the pleasure of corresponding with him frequently, and meeting and having lunch with him once. Some things to remember, please:
This is a small, start-up company, with some people having left their previous jobs to do something they really love and believe in -- and have years of experience both in firearms and computer-aided design, milling and production. Some of the parties involved have other jobs but are so dedicated to this endeavor that they sleep on the 'factory' floor (hey, this is one room, basically) in sleeping bags overnight, to gain more time.
Remember, they are designing and programming the CAM machine to make the tools to make the tools to make this product - it's quite amazing, but this is what these guys have done for a living in other capacities for their whole professional lives.
I am NOT speaking for Arne, but really 'tours' of the 'factory' are really difficult: it's a very small operation with no secretary, PR person, 'office with a front desk' etc. and the owners of the facility are I believe 'concerned' with non-employees accessing or going into the site. (I'm not entirely sure they are comfortable with an 'arms manufacturer' even being there -- remember this is Minnesota which is very divided on most gun-related issues. The parties involved in Boberg Arms are funding this entire operation personally out of their own funds and are not seeking partners, investors, etc. so that they can control themselves the product they want to produce and guarantee the quality and operation of that product. So they'll release it and sell it 'when it's ready' and not before. All the questions about 'well, when will production begin, when will the first units be shipped', etc. cannot really be answered accurately -- it'll be ready when the good and honest people I personally know to be involved in this, say it's ready -- no shortcuts, quality deviations, etc.
I had the pleasure of bringing my Rohrbaugh R9s over for Arne to examine (but not shoot :( ), and I he was VERY impressed with the quality and manufacturing: this is exactly the level of machining and fit they intend to achieve.
So, all in all friends --- please be patient: this is a labor of love as well as a wager -- on their part -- on the future livelihoods of good, honest, experienced professional people with families and children to support. It's no scam - I know this to be the case.
PS: Arne's had long conversations with Bob Cogan of APW about, well, nearly everything. You can't really talk to Mr. Cogan without doing that :) ONE MORE PERSONAL PLUG:
APW (http://www.apwcogan.com).
Corey (the guy who wears the 5.11 TAC pants all the time so he can carry 27 Rohrbaughs every time he goes to lunch) can also testify for them.
Anyway, the main thing I wanted to leave you with was: patience. "Ripeness is all." Things will happen when economics, personal situations, unforeseen manufacturing or raw material supplies, landlord actions, etc. dictate.
I hope everyone joins me in wishing for the best for this new venture and all the good people involved.
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Great report! Thanks for sharing and yes Bob does fantastic work. I can't wait to have my XR9('s)!!!
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Corey, I'm looking forward to the XR9's as well. Hope we'll get that letter soon on the starting of production and our confirmation on the order.
Bill. I do understand about the startup and am in no hurry, really, just still hoping it will be soon.
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Hmmmm,
This sounds familiar.
I believe the R brothers dealt with these similiar situations!! ;)
Wishing the Boberg Arms Co. the best of luck in their endeavors!!
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I'm sure all kinds of problems are encountered, and am confident they will work out in due time. :)
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I spoke to MicroTech about the ArchAngel at SHOT 2010 and got a very lukewarm -- we are not sure there is a market for a pocket 9mm -- type response.
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Thank for the good review, Bill (and reminding me to drop in on this forum once in a while). While our facility is only one room right now (except for the restroom), we are planning on creating "cozy" office space when we start earning revenue. Although, the high ceiling is starting to grow on me and some companies pay extra for that!
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I just want to see a video of the Microtech Archangel in action.
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Duane,
I heard from unofficial sources that Microtech may have overreached into their firearms venture and it could be causing them some financial difficulty.
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Tracker -- that wouldn't surprise me. Clearly they can't be serious that there is no demand for a pocket size 9mm pistol. ;)
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The Ruger LCP really kicked off the pocket gun surge, and everyone followed suite with a 380. If there had been a well made pocket 9mm in the five hundred dollar range (as the Micro Tech is said to be) available, they would have had sales that companies can only dream of.
John
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http://www.tactical-life.com/online/products/microtech-archangel/
A link to an older write-up.