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Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: scar2783 on November 19, 2013, 12:15:57 AM
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...is now on pre order. Still can't find anything on their site about it. Would like to see the specs before plunking down $1200 big ones.
https://www.facebook.com/bobergarms
Mark
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http://store.bobergarms.com/collections/firearms?utm_source=webstore%2Bmenu&utm_medium=firearms%2Bpage&utm_campaign=home%2Bpage
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To my knowledge, I don't even think there is a firing prototype yet.
All you are doing is getting on the order queue to get in line to order. When your name comes up, you decide then to jump or not.
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...is now on pre order. Still can't find anything on their site about it. Would like to see the specs before plunking down $1200 big ones.
Yikes, that looks like something I need!
:)
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Heck yeah you need one.
http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2013/11/boberg-xr45-s-now-available-for-pre.html (http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2013/11/boberg-xr45-s-now-available-for-pre.html) For the OP, just under the comparison picture is a link to a previous article with the key specifications of the pistol outlined.
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It looks like a winner. Hope it proves so.
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Arne has a prototype of his XR45s now. He is supposed to test fire it this weekend. it is supposed to come in at 20 oz.
http://community.bobergarms.com/forum/topics/xr-45-micro?x=1&id=2312567%3ATopic%3A48460&page=51#comments
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Neat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ztrme6pMSg
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Boberg was at the NRA meeting in Indy this weekend.
Here is a review of the pre-production model. I found it very interesting. Watch the lack of muzzle flip while they are shooting it.
Mine should be delivered in about 6-7 weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJkG3g-4-UU#t=14
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If I sent in my $ tomorrow when would I recieve one?
Anyone have an educated guess?
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You would have to call Boberg to be sure, but they were quoting 12 weeks when I ordered mine.
I will warn you, I put 50% down when I ordered mine. I was glad to help Arne Boberg with this project.
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Cool. What other gun is the same size MRC? Or how does it compare to the solo in size?
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I suggest you go to the Boberg wesite. It is quite a bit bigger than the Solo, but remember, it is a 45 ACP, 45 ACP +P, and a 45 Super.
Here is an overlay with a Kahr PM45
http://community.bobergarms.com/photo/xr45-kahr-pm45-overlay?context=latest
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That was perfect, thanks for the layover comparison MRC.
Side note: the Kahr products are +p rated as well.
The Boberg looks to have the main advantage in being shorter. I wonder how they compare in width.
Thanks again for the info.
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I really do not consider either of these pocket pistols. The PM45 is a lot lighter because of the polymer frame and a .07" narrower across the slide. The barrel on the Boberg is .5" longer. Below are links to the specs.
Josh, remember that the first XR45 pistols out will be "Test Guns" in my opinion. I am willing to help and take that chance as I like what Arne Boberg is doing.
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-PM45.asp
http://www.bobergarms.com/#!products/c6ae
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Point well taken MRC.
I will look forward to reading your first impressions of the pistol.
Not really a pocket piece to me either.
Really neat design from the looks of it though.
Thanks for the info.
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The 45 is just a whole new ballgame when it comes to ultra-compact pistols. It can only be scaled down so far and still function reliably.
But when you compare the Boberg XR9-S shorty to the R9, the XR9-S is taller, and a lot heavier than the R9:
Rohrbaugh R9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.9 in
Length: 5.2 in
Height: 3.7 in
Slide Width: .82 in
Width at thickest part of pistol: .95 in
Weight: 13.5 oz, magazine 1.6 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds
Boberg XR9-S (Shorty)
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.35 in
Length: 5.1 in
Height: 4.2 in
Width: .96 in
Weight: 17.5 oz
Capacity: 7+1 Rounds
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No doubt Count that the R9 wins the size game every time.
For me, performance is the key and in my hands at least, the Solo, the PM9, and the XR9 all beat the R9 by a large margin.
All of them still fit in my pocket, but the XR9 is about my limit. In my estimation, the R9 is the best backup made period, but I do not need that.
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Here is a quote from Boberg's head Gunsmith. This explains some of the recoil reduction. I have seen videos of Arne shooting his 9mm with no recoil spring in it. He just "flips" the muzzle down and forward to return the slide.
"the XR series does not use a recoil spring... the spring that runs the length of the slide is simply a slide return spring. you could toss it in the trash and shoot he pistol the rest of your life, you would just need to slap the slide forward manually.
in the XR series, the recoil is being absorbed by the lift mechanism and the rotating barrel mechanism. these are FAR more efficient at absorbing energy than a simple heavily packed recoil spring and a bunch of extra weight on the slide could ever do. that is how we are the softest felt recoil .45 and 9mm subcompact out there!"
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Sounds quite ingenious.
I've read where you prefer the overall design of the solo over the boberg 9mm MRC.
That being said, do you feel like this will win a spot of EDC on your person or will it be relegated to safe and range time only if it's 100% reliable and very shootable?
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It is not a pocket gun, at least not for me, so i will just have to see how it turns out.
Let's face it, this is not a proven design for the 45 yet. I will make my mind up after a few months of shooting.
It really is the most revolutionary pistol design to come out since the Glock.
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Here is a write-up on the XR45-s.
I talked to Arne Boberg and parts have been slow coming in, but they should start shipping in 2 weeks. Mine are in the first batch to go out. It should be interesting.
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/05/27/boberg-arms-xr45-subcompact-45-full-sized-performance/
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Smaller than the XDS, less felt recoil and hols one more round???
Wow. Wonder how reliable it will be.
Looks awesome MRC. Thanks for the link
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Anybody doing the preorder deal? Received an email today.
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I just saw a post on the Boberg Forum that the first batch of XR45's are leaving Minnesota on Monday.
Mine should be in that group.
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Please let us know your first impressions MRC.
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I guess I jumped to the conclusion that since I ordered mine on the first day that sales opened, I would be in the first batch delivered. I ordered the platinum version and Boberg is waiting on those frames from the plater.
Here is a link showing the first shipment, all standard models. Shucks!
http://community.bobergarms.com/forum/topics/xr45-roll-call-who-has-placed-an-order?x=1&id=2312567%3ATopic%3A68009&page=14#comments
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It has been so quiet around here I thought I would add this.
I received word today that my Boberg XR45s will arrive at my Dealer's shop tomorrow. Only two months late. I ordered the platinum and the frames were delayed at the plater's until now.
Hopefully I will get out to the range in the next couple of days.
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Hope to hear range reports.
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yes please give us a range report/review
love to hear more about it
thanks
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Hopefully I will get out to the range in the next couple of days.
Cool Bob. Very interested to hear what you think.
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I finally got out to the range today to try my new XR45 platinum.
I will start by saying that I am not fond of compact 45 ACP’s, so I was somewhat leery of my new purchase. The first pull of the trigger changed that. I found the pistol much easier to shoot than I anticipated, reliable for a first time out gun and more accurate than expected. All in all I am quite pleased for a first time out.
I first shot 40 rounds of Speer Lawman, 185 gr TMJ (#53654). No problems with either magazine.
Next up I shot 20 rounds of Liberty Civil Defense +P 78 gr. I had one round which did not go into battery. It was the last round in the magazine. I tried to eject it and could not pull the slide back so I hit the back of the slide with my hand and it went into battery. The round fired but did not eject but pulled out of the chamber enough that I had no problem clearing it. I loaded the same magazine again and had no problems. I really do not know what the problem was but that is the only problem I had all day.
Next I tried about 40 rounds of Federal Premium Law Enforcement 230 gr HST (#P45HST2). All rounds fed and fired perfectly. Very accurate also I might add.
I then fired my XR9s for a comparison with Federal HST 124 gr +P. Actually the recoil was not much less than the 45 ACP standard pressure to my amazement.
I did not find the magazines hard to load, but different. The spring in one of the magazines seemed to be trying to come out the back of the magazine. You just have to be careful and observe what’s going on and you will have no trouble. The magazines are very tight in the magwell and take more force than I am used to pull out. A long ways from “drop free”.
I was very impressed with the XR45 and plan on getting some +P self defense type ammo other than the Liberty to try.
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Thanks for the range report MRC. I have the Boberg XR9S and the L, both are high quality, accurate, easy to shoot with low recoil and as long as you use crimped ammo it works every time (some non-crimped are disassembled during the rearward extraction from the magazine during firing I have heard). To my surprise, the XR9S is an easy pocket carry in loose khakis or cargo pants, but will certainly never be a back pocket carry IMO. I hope to eventually fire the .45, but doubt I can afford one in the near future; besides I really like my Ultra CDPII. Keep us informed about future range trips.
John
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I went to the range with the XR45 today to shoot some Gold Dot 200 gr +P and take some "bullet pull" measurements.
Tested the Federal 230 gr HST and the Speer Lawman and had no "pulls" to be concerned about and then started having magazine problems. I called Boberg's head Smith and he said these problems have been popping up and Arne is working on a fix and it will be shipped to me.
I really expected some problems with the pistol being in the first hundred produced.
It really is a soft shooting 45ACP. I am going to have to try my Dealer's XDs in 45. He really likes it. (Half the price too)
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These guns have my curiosity high...even being over a year old