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Miscellaneous => The Water Cooler -- General Discussions => Topic started by: MikeInTexas on May 21, 2016, 12:47:44 PM
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Decided to try something off the wall this week, submitted an electronic Form 1 for a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS) to the BATFE.
Once properly approved and I have in my grubby little hands all the paperwork necessary including that beautiful $200 tax stamp to start and complete my project, I will construct my first O/U 'sawed off' shot gun.
Starting with a Beretta Silver Pigeon in 20 gauge. I have the receiver with a youth adjustable stock on it, and have access to some damaged barrels.
The stock will be shaped into a pistol grip type configuration. The adjustable part sold...........so if anyone is interested? :D
The barrels will be bought (the seller is holding them for me). Then I will shorten them to about 11.5 inches to just clear the forestock, take care of the required engraving to be 100% legal, then install em'. Probably even add a magnetic Hiviz fiber sight to the front as a point of reference.
In the end the shotgun should be about 20 inches in total length.
If I remember this is the classic Italian Lupara configuration.
From what I read, the 20 gauge should be pretty easy to handle even with 3 inch loads.
So, now my wait begins. Bad news is that this is a just before new NFA regulations take effect, so Sara Jones is probably swamped with work. Guessing that the paperwork will take anywhere from 30 days to 7 months to process........................ugggghhhhhhh.
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Email from BATFE, paperwork accepted and it is in the first stages of processing.
For those that are interested, here is a picture of the adjustable stock.
I will soon have no use for it, so if you or someone you might know are interested please contact me about it.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/300Acera/Guns/BerettaSP_zps0plyu9z9.jpg)
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It would appear that you are covering all the required bases. Good luck! And please post photos of the finished project.
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Thanks, I will post pictures as soon as I am able.
Another update on the process, they took my money. No surprise they take care of that little bit of business fast, and long before anyone does any meaningful work on my application. :'(
Still trying to get rid of the stock parts.
Does anyone know of a good organization that teaches kids, or size challenged adults to shoot shotguns that might use this? Would love to donate it to a charitable cause.
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Stock no longer available......................
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And it begins again........................
Submitted another one this evening, nothing special just a common AR becoming a Short Barreled Rifle.
I will probably send them another two bills tomorrow asking for permission to build a can.
These BS procedural rule changes by the anti-gunners that are in charge at the BATFE is getting under my skin..........................
Going to stew on this until the stamps start coming in, then it's happy time. :D
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Quick reminder, tomorrow is the last day to file if you have a trust and want to avoid the issues with the new system. So if you want to make a Short Barreled Shotgun, Short Barreled Rifle, AOW, Silencer, or transfer one of those or a machine gun, today and tomorrow are good days to do it for folks who hold their NFA items in a trust.
For those that don't know, when filing to add an NFA item to a trust Wednesday or later, you will have to provide 2 sets of fingerprints and pictures of everyone on the trust to the BATFE. You will also be required to send a copy of the trust with all that information to your local chief law enforcement officer. (Something not required now. My CLEO has no clue to what I have in my trust and I want to keep it that way. None of his GD business.)
For those that want to file as individuals, the system is getting easier. You no longer need permission from the local chief law enforcement officer in your application. That permission will become a notification after Wednesday.
The eFile system is stressed out, lots of users pushing it past its limits. The system not working is common now. However, a postmark on a paper application tomorrow will work.
Those going in now, with the increased volume, I expect first of next year before approval arrives.
For those that don't follow this niche of the gun world, here is a graph sent out by the BATFE last week showing the increase in numbers of these items transfered.
I suspect that last year will be greater than the year before, and this year will blow the top off that with the semi-panic that is hitting due to rule changes.
(https://www.atf.gov/n/n/n/sites/default/files/media/2015/07/nfa-firearms-processed-chart-2014_0.jpg)
Hard to believe that gun owners are pumping more than quarter billion dollars into that department each year just in NFA tax stamps!!!
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I feel safer already. ::)
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/final-rule-41f-background-checks-responsible-persons-effective-july-13
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To give you guys an idea about how big this push got before the deadline, this is just from one shop in Austin. That is 10,000+ applications.
(http://i.imgur.com/YhPyUOa.png)
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Wow..those are some amazing numbers!
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Finally they said OK.
Approved today.
Been finishing it up this afternoon. Should have some pictures by tomorrow.
6 months 11 days.
27 weeks 6 days.
195 days.
139 weekdays.
0.53 years
Not that I been counting or anything 8)
Now I figure I got another few months to wait on those items I submitted back in July.
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Got all the woodwork finished, parts collected and assembled last night. Got a fiber optic front sight you can't see in the picture.
Going to try and get to the woods tomorrow and try it out. My shooting bag has a collection of 9 shot, buck shot and a couple of slugs. Can't wait to see how it performs. May try and figure out a holster for it to fit the 4-wheeler so I can ride with it securely.
(It is 100% legal, all necessary paperwork completed and approved for anyone on my trust to possess/use.)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/300Acera/Guns/Beretta%20SBS_zpsyq4u33y8.jpg)
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Nice work. Definitely not a dove gun....?snakes maybe?
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Friend of mine FINALLY got his stamps for his UZI, SBR and suppressor. It was 9 months and 3 weeks. :-* :-* :-*
kevinqjhps
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From NFA tracker, the guys that got theirs today waited about 8 months and a week for an efile return.
I expect the wait to get a bit longer as they get closer to the deadline packets.
Hopefully my next stamps will be in within the month.
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From NFA tracker, the guys that got theirs today waited about 8 months and a week for an efile return.
I expect the wait to get a bit longer as they get closer to the deadline packets.
Hopefully my next stamps will be in within the month.
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Did you use a trust?
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Yes, I converted over to a trust a few years ago. I set up a corp. years ago for my 1st NFA items, long before trusts were a option. Don't like paying for the $200 tax stamp? Imagine how I felt transferring items from the corp. to the trust (so I could give up the corp.) and paying the tax again for stuff I already had >:(
Good news on those was I did not GAF about the wait, LOL.
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Got an update, it's happy stamp day.
(Don't celebrate like quite a few others are on this 'special' day, but celebrating none the less.(https://cdn-w.eccie.net/images/smilies/modern/thumbup.gif))
After waiting 9 months and 15 days, got the SBR stamp. Finally.......................
30 seconds after the 10th copy of the approved Form 1 hit the floor under the printer, 4 pins pulled, uppers swapped, 4 pins pushed and the new baby has been delivered.
(Now I also have a goofy looking AR pistol with a 16 inch barrel and a rifle scope.)
Spikes Tactical "Crusader" lower, 10 1/2 inch barrel in .223 Wylde.
Aimpoint on top and a few Texas accents to make it a bit more personalized.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/300Acera/20170420_173209_zpswximltsj.jpg)
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Kong Rats.
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Mine just came in 9 months to the day. Awesome looking gun! Have fun with it!!!