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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: TW on February 01, 2005, 02:47:57 AM
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>>Just out of curiosity - are there any women out there who own an R9, and if so...any comments about your guns...?...use...?...shootability...?...carry options...?...general thoughts to share...?...TW<<
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If I could only get my wife to shoot my R9S...........then I can get another and say it's for her! ;D
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>>Hi Sharp...
How about surprise her with a fancy dinner out on the town, flowers, and an R9...?...!! Wife-type Womens always like presents, ya know. Just a thought...TW<<
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American Handgunner featured a picture of karl's mom shooting the R9. However, I doubt that most women would want to deal with that much recoil in that small a gun.
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I sold a R9S to a young and small woman, who is about 5'5" and 110#. She has a shooting background of shooting both a HiPower and 1911. She is shooting 2-3" groups with the R9S. She told me the recoil is there but not bad. She likes it better than the .32acp in a Seecamp. Tom
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Not too surprised Tom - that sorta ''shootin gal'' has already learned the art of semi's ... and if even small ladies get their grip and technique right - no problem. Good for her :)
My wife got her CCW very recently and for now she is ''equipped'' with my ol' trusty M85 38spl .. she is good with wheel guns (her house gun is M66). However, I'd not be disappointed to sometimes lose my R9 to her if she could become familiar and happy with it. Remains to be seen - she is due some more range time soon.
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Gentlemen:
Since we're on the topic of women shooters - When I first got my Glock 36, (single stack .45), I let three (3) plaincloths detectives (from Hudson County, NJ) shoot it.
Of the three detectives, two were burly guys and the third was this cute little girl, less than 100 lbs.
The two burly guys thought the Glock 36 was stout and did not like it, preferring their service isssue 9MM Glocks.
The little female detective? Blam, blam, blam, blam; bullseye, bullseye, bullseye.....
This girl had what it takes. If I were a plain cloths law enforcement officer, I'd have wanted the girl as my partner.
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My wife likes the R9 but prefers her Glock 23. It's big enough to scare the bad guys coming out of her gun purse and she shoots it well. The recoil isn't the problem. If she can't get all her fingers on it with comfort, she doesn't feel she has complete control.
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Most women can handle recoil but can not handle-holding a heavy gun up for long because of the lack of upper body strength. Tom
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Tom:
Okay, I won't rely on the 100 lb. female detective, that I mentioned above, to carry a Ruger Blackhawk, but lookout for her Glock! ;)
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Maybe a RugerSP101!!!! Tom
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Tom,
Excellent choice!
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I'll put in another vote for SP-101 as a possible. I like mine, it is often carry - and with CT grips a versatile and reliable piece.
(http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/cb_gun2/sp-101-s.jpg)
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Chris,
Is there no end to your toys?
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>>Hi Chris...
I like your SP-101 a lot...! What do you load it with...? Also...do you know if Ruger makes an SP-101 .357 snubbie with a recessed hammer...? That, plus the CT sight, is something I would like to have. I currently have a S&W 349 (...I think?) set up that way...but I like the more rugged build of the Ruger...TW<<
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TW:
When you say "recessed hammer" do you mean "bobbed hammer"?
If so, the answer is yes; it's a DAO.
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My speed six,.357 or SP101 has a Ruger spurless hammer. It is checkered at the top,so one can pull the trigger a little and then pull back on the hammer to cock it single action. The action is also polished. It is my car gun. Tom
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My car gun is a copy of the latest gun magazine. It's the only legal carry in my state.
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If W really wants freedom to ring around the world, he should do something about a national 50 state and DC carry permit!!!Why are private citizens with CCW any different than retired cops??? Tom
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Tom,
You the man!
Article IV, Section 1, Constitution of the United States addresses this matter as follows: Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records and judicial Proceedings of every other State.
The Civil War was predictable, based upon matters not resolved in the ratifying congress of Sept 1787. The Full Faith and Credit portion of the constitution was despised by the South who strongly advocated State's Rights.
In NJ, State's Rights means what the state has a right to withold from its citizens; to include carrying a gun. As much as I would enjoy Full Faith and Credit for CCW, I'm not holding my breath for NJ.
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Phil - sorry re ''toys'' ... yeah, they are to me parallel to what I imagine your knives to be!!! A Smith M19-3 is soon to be added too! ::) ... oops.
TW ... as I think has now been mentioned yeah - an SP with spurless hammer is available. I am an old traditionalist and so like the spuured hammer - does not cause me any snag probs.
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Full faith and credit doesn't apply here. A license issued by a state is an exception to the laws within that state.
However, Congress could do a great deal to restore our Second Amendment under Article I, Section 8, Clause 16 (providing for the militia). They could simply find that having an armed population is beneficial for the security of the country and its citizens, and on that basis pass laws nullifying any state law that exceeds certain boundaries. Congress could, by the authority granted by this clause, supercede all state laws infringing on the Second Amendment.
Maybe the simplest way is for Congress to pass a law requiring any state (or political subdivision thereof - cities, etc.) to recognize any license issued by another state provided that the application process for the license meets certain requirements (criminal background check, proof of some minimal level of training). Yeah, I know, residents of states like PA that don't require training wouldn't benefit from their home state licenses and would have to get nonresident licenses in other states, but that is really the most likely way to get the statute passed. Worded this way, a NJ resident wanting to carry in NJ could do so by getting a FL or VA license.
For those of us who live in states with relatively friendly laws, it might be a mixed blessing to have these issues decided on the federal rather than the state level, especially if we end up with the Demagogic Party controlling both houses of Congress and the White House. However, given the current trend towards more relaxed gun laws just about everywhere other than the People's Republic of Kalifornia, such a statutes just might be the best way to bring the sure holdouts like DC, CA, NJ, MA, MD, IL, NY, etc. into line with the rest of the country.
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Chris,
Custom knives was a diversion, as a told you, in response to the insufferable NJ gun laws. There is a big crossover from gun world to custom knife world, as told by the response I would get to a flight jacket I wore to knife shows on which I had certified pistol instructor patch and other gun regalia.
The R9s will be the first handgun I have purchased in four years! I used to buy a dozen handguns a year or more, got tired of gun laws, and crossed over to knives. I have a good knife collection but I'm trying to go back to my first love with the R9.
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Billinpittsburgh:
Thank you for your response. I stand by the merit of my argument but yield to you if, in fact, Full Faith and credit does not pertain, for the reasons you gave. Surely you will concede the Federalist vs. Whig debate that echos to this day.
You are also correct to warn the progressive gun law states to watch out for a national policy. Government does not add value; it adds cost and misery.
I'd rather move out of NJ than to a favorable gun law state only to have rights overturned or watered down. I do not want to leave the hot place only to land in purgatory instead of gun heaven.
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Oh TW - forgot to answer one question you put, sorry. re what I carry in the SP ...... well, altho I can use .357's I have opted for the Corbon +P offerings ... 110 grainers. They don't shoot quite as accurately as std 158's for instance but at closer ranges I am not too bothered, plus - they are sufficiently docile as to allow a quicker and easier follow-up. 357's in a snub are just a bit too much recoil and flash, tho manageable.
Actually, when this time of year, clothing permits it - I am quite comfortable carrying something much, much bigger. Like 629-6 Mountain Gun, 4" ... or M28-2 4" ... both have CT grips and I can stoke those with full house stuff.
Then of course we have the capacity aspect ... and much as I like revo's (love em in fact) ... I am just now breaking in my Dillon rig for the newish SIG 226 ... now that is ''only'' 9mm of course but will digest +P happily. This with a 17 round mag does have it's appeal - just for sheer capacity! :D
Guess I need to carry three or so guns - just to have the choice in all departments!! ::) :P
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PCA As I see it you have 2 choices: 1. Move yourself and your father to greener pastures 2. become a politician in your left wing state, then do what you want to.!!! Tom
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>>PCA...
I stand corrected... The hammer on my Smith Snub is like the one on Tom's Ruger - a "spurless" hammer, checkered on top with allows for DA/SA.
Chris...thanks for the ammo info. Like yourself - I'm not keen to carry .357, but rather +P .38...which is very manageable in my Smith and super accurate out to 25 yards with CT grips...TW<<
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TW:
Not sure I understand. Chris' SP101 has a hammer. I was addressing the bobbed hammer, in which the hammer has no spur.
Thought that was a DAO but I am wrong. The little Ruger was a great gun and I'm sorry I sold it. I used to do what Chris does which is +P .38 instead of .357.
Love little 5 shot snubbies. I've owned 4 of them but sold them, along with a lot of other guns, to get into custom knife world, as related above in this string.
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Hi PCA,
The purpose of "full faith and credit" is basically so that when plaintiff sues defendant in NJ, and defendant moves to PA after plaintiff obtains a judgment, PA honors the NJ court decision between plaintiff and defendant, and allows plaintiff to begin proceedings to execute on the judgment, instead of requiring plaintiff to relitigate the suit in PA. Or, husband and wife are married in NJ, and move to PA, PA recognizes the marriage without requiring a new ceremony.
The purpose is not so that if PA decides you can drive 65 mph in PA, then a PA resident with a PA driver's license can drive 65 mph in NJ even though NJ has 55 mph speed limits (been awhile since my last trip to NJ). Rather, the PA resident can drive in NJ subject to NJ laws because NJ law recognizes the PA license.
I totally agree with you re: the crossovers between guns and knives. A knife is often your best option when a gun is inappropriate. I am a fan of Cold Steel, Benchmade (primarily axis locks), Mickey Yurco, Bud Nealy, and the Jones Brothers. Emerson's LaGriffe is also a favorite, and his wave feature is NICE, although I don't trust his liner locks.
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BillinPittsburgh:
You must be an attorney. In criminal matters, states have reciprocity, notwithstanding extradition issues.
I believed full faith and credit vs. state's rights was germane to discussion of gun laws. That's why I negotiate corporate contracts instead of spending time in court. Thank you for your clarification.
Emerson has $millions of dollars of equipment and 29 employees. $2000.00 for a semi-production knife? No way.
I am collector but not tactical. Have some semi custom Microtechs but that's about it. My best knives are made by Don hanson III, autos by Warren Osborne, Joe kious, et.al.
Please take discussion private if you wish further dialog.
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Just a little back on track. . . . :)
My father and his wife came into town and loved my R9. She is in the market for a small carry handgun and really loved the quality (especially the trigger pull). Price isn't a concern.
The issue she has is that she lacks the hand strength to chamber a round, so she will probably end up with a small revolver for carry. This may be a big turn off for some of the "older" women shooters, -she shoots regularly (and very well), but the recoil spring is just too much resistance for her. I hope the Rohrbaugh brothers think of this when they come out with a .380 version.
Dad may be getting his own R9 soon, though. ;)
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Wayne - you touch on a very valid point. One reason my wife carries a snub revo is - exactly for this reason. She has shot many of my semis but - when it comes to dealing with the mechanics and strong springs - just too much of a problem.
I think even my P3AT would or could defeat her - and she ain't that feeble either. Just seems to be one of them things for many ladies. I would doubt a .380 (R380?) would be a lot easier than R9 - the smallness of slide does not help that either.
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I have a couple of lady customers who like the R9 and shoot it well after some work on the grip. It sure is time for any of the ladies to speak up and tell us what they like and don't like. Tom
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My wife doesn't do discussion boards so she's not going to post here but I can't get her to move above a .380ACP. She's adopted my Browning BDA380 (below top) as her home defense gun ...
(http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/guns/f18.jpg)
... and my NAA Guardian in .32ACP (above bottom) as her CCW and she even keeps my S&W 332 (below top next to the NAA Guardian below bottom) in .32mag ...
(http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/guns/f71.jpg)
... as a car gun but I can't get her to move up to the .38special & 9mm range because she VERY recoil sensative.
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>>Hi Fudster...
Your wife certainly seems to know what she likes - gotta give her credit for that. As a good shooter with light recoil in .380...one of the favorites in my collection is a Sig Sauer P323 SL with rubber grips and night sights...! Only given my big fat hands the slide tends to chew up the web of my hand. Still, I like the gun so much that I shoot it anyway...usually with a shooting glove. Your wife has smaller hands than me - so I suspect she would love this gun...! Of course, when the Rohrbaugh .380 hits the streets there will be no matching it's presence>>TW<<
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If your wife has found something that works for her, then go with it.
That said, I was really suprised that she doesn't like 9mm but likes the NAA .32. I actually find the recoil of the NAA .32 to be worse than the recoil of the NAA .380, which is itself about as comfortable as shooting my Taurus 3" .44 magnum. There just isnt enough to hold onto to keep it from twisting back into the web of my hand. It never fails to amaze me how individualized recoil perception can be.
My Kel-Tec P-32 is a very soft shooter. My own recoil-shy wife can shoot quite well with a 4" Springfield XD 9mm.
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... I was really suprised that she doesn't like 9mm but likes the NAA .32. I actually find the recoil of the NAA .32 to be worse than the recoil of the NAA .380, which is itself about as comfortable as shooting my Taurus 3" .44 magnum ...
Exactly! I think her recoil issues are more a psychological barrier than a physical barrier.