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Title: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 13, 2010, 03:33:24 PM: Just for information. Called Seecamp and got on their list for calling when they will be taking orders again. This is not an order list, but one to tell you when they start taking orders.

They did say they would take orders again as soon as their backlog was caught up. Still, may be a very long time.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: P7Enigma on April 13, 2010, 07:02:53 PM: Must be a "Del Fatti' recording....
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 13, 2010, 08:47:20 PM: No recording. A really nice lady! She could have said no, not taking orders, however, she said I'll be glad to take your name, address, and telephone no. and put you on the list to be called when we're taking orders again. I was glad to even hear that. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 13, 2010, 09:19:41 PM: Buy a used one and sell in FOUR years when your new Seecamp .380 arrives ;D You know you want to...
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 13, 2010, 09:24:09 PM: You make a good point. Hmmmm, 4 years. :(
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 13, 2010, 09:25:08 PM: Not like the Seecamp .380 will depreciate. I will post some pics ;D My turn for peer pressure :D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 13, 2010, 09:46:39 PM: (http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7983/photod.png)

(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5719/photo9q.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 13, 2010, 09:46:57 PM: In a Hedley Merlin (Made by Lisa Hedley)
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/600/photo1vw.jpg)

Hedley Back Pocket (Made by Lisa Hedley)

(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4451/photo2kcz.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 13, 2010, 09:49:03 PM: Del Fatti Hippo

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5788/photo3wa.jpg)

Del Fatti Shark

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4995/photo5g.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 13, 2010, 09:54:33 PM: CCW. Really, really nice. I have a Seecamp .32 and could pretend it's a .380; but I would know it wasn't. I'll look for a really nice .380 used one until.............. Thanks for the pictures.

Now, whose a bad influence? ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 13, 2010, 09:55:13 PM: Del Fatti Back Pocket-Shark outer panel

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2378/photonb.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on April 13, 2010, 09:58:43 PM: OHAD in spades; kind of like a harem.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 13, 2010, 10:02:40 PM: Quote
CCW. Really, really nice. I have a Seecamp .32 and could pretend it's a .380; but I would know it wasn't. I'll look for a really nice .380 used one until.............. Thanks for the pictures.

Now, whose a bad influence? ;D

As far as cosmetics they are easily refinished using a scour pad. The finish is just organized scratch lines. Again, Larry warranties everything that is Seecamp so don't worry about buying used. Unlike Rohrbaugh they 100% stand by the gun regardless of who owns it.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 13, 2010, 10:05:13 PM: Again, really nice holsters. How do you decide on which one to carry? If one had trouble making decisions, you would be in a delima, although a good one to have! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 13, 2010, 10:07:38 PM: Seecamp .32 and Seecamp .380

(http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/1761/photow.png)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 13, 2010, 10:09:19 PM: Quote
Again, really nice holsters. How do you decide on which one to carry? If one had trouble making decisions, you would be in a delima, although a good one to have! ;D

It is tough to choose and that is why I want another .380 ;D Right now the Del Fatti front pocket shark is my favorite.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 13, 2010, 10:12:27 PM: I was wondering why you wanted another .380. Now, it comes out. Very good reason. Let's go alookin! :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 15, 2010, 07:06:37 PM: Quote
Seecamp .32 and Seecamp .380

(http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/1761/photow.png)

These really do go good together. Fuel for the fire! Now the desire is whetted even more. I, somehow, missed this photo the other night. Outstanding looking pair. Excellent. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 15, 2010, 07:27:33 PM: Resistance is futile.... I look forward to seeing pics of your new 380 soon ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 15, 2010, 09:38:59 PM: If you find an extra Seecamp .380, let me know! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 15, 2010, 10:08:36 PM: I feel lucky to have snagged this cool serial number 380 a short time back. It's not been shot since it left the factory.

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Conversion%20n%20Kurz/380.jpg)

P.S. if you guys looking for 380's find an extra one for less than MSRP give me a shout! ;)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 15, 2010, 10:49:49 PM: Very nice, indeed, Corey! We'll keep you posted if a 3rd one comes along. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 15, 2010, 10:52:43 PM: Lol
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 15, 2010, 10:54:52 PM: Quote
I feel lucky to have snagged this cool serial number 380 a short time back. It's not been shot since it left the factory.

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Conversion%20n%20Kurz/380.jpg)

P.S. if you guys looking for 380's find an extra one for less than MSRP give me a shout! ;)

corey,
I have 200 of the 380s, I'll trade you 25 for 20 of the R45s. ;D

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 15, 2010, 11:01:05 PM: John. You keep good secrets! ;D ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 15, 2010, 11:13:39 PM: Quote
John. You keep good secrets! ;D ;D

On all those .380's. ;D ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on April 16, 2010, 08:38:27 AM: Most of the pants I always wore had four pockets sewn into them, now with cargo pants and the extra pockets, I need more LWS 380s to fill 'em up.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 16, 2010, 09:12:12 AM: You're now in competition with at least two, for Seecamp .380's, unless John will part with one of his 200. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 16, 2010, 09:40:40 AM: Quote
John. You keep good secrets! ;D ;D

There was no secret, and I'm more than willing to part with one of my 380s. I never said I had 200 Seecamp 380s, I was talking about 200 rds of 380 ammo. ;D

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 16, 2010, 10:15:48 AM: Now, you tell us! ;D ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Richard S on April 16, 2010, 11:24:59 AM: Corey:

I had heard about that cool serial number issued by Seecamp but did not who had been the inspired mind behind it. Congratulations!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 16, 2010, 11:52:02 AM: Thanks Richard but I can't take credit for the mind behind the serial number. It was a Seecamp forum friend of mine. I have just been trying to talk him out of it for a while.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 16, 2010, 12:54:23 PM: Corey. Never had heard of that serial number, and you must be one good talker to talk that forum friend out of that one! You did good! :) :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: IOM on April 16, 2010, 06:13:31 PM: Ordered a Seecamp .380 1 year ago with a custom serial number, just before they stopped taking orders.

I'm hopeing I'll get it within the next 8 - 12 months. Time does fly, it doesn't seem like it was 12 months ago when I placed the order.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 16, 2010, 07:00:28 PM: I started to do that in March of '09 and the lady at Seecamp said it would be at least 14 months, so I thought I could find one sooner. Found one today. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 16, 2010, 07:03:12 PM: congrats!!!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 16, 2010, 07:13:53 PM: Many thanks! Now, it's going to be along week! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on April 16, 2010, 10:33:31 PM: Quote
You're now in competition with at least two, for Seecamp .380's, unless John will part with one of his 200. ;D

No, I really don't need a LWS 380, I do have one on order.

Congratulations on getting one for yourself.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 16, 2010, 10:42:37 PM: Thanks! I'm on the list to be called..... when Seecamp is taking orders again. That could be a long time. Then the wait after getting on the order list. Oh, well. Only time.

I'll enjoy this one until then. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on April 16, 2010, 10:46:08 PM: So, you'll end up with two?
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 16, 2010, 10:51:24 PM: Yep. At some point! Probably, four years or more from now, when I get the one from Seecamp. :(
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 17, 2010, 07:29:25 PM: I enquired about a Seecamp 380 from a shop that had a Seecamp 32 for sale.
Here was there reply
B&S Guns stocks the 32 cal Seacamp only, don't stock the 380 due to poor ammo feed problems, and super bad recoil.

Is there a bad ammo feed issue with the Seecamp 380 ?
I never pay much attention to people complaining about recoil because that is an individual issue.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 17, 2010, 07:45:36 PM: I've never heard of a feed problem with the Seecamp .380. I think as long as you use Silvertips or Hydrashocks, the recommended ammo, it will do fine. Recoil, I don't worry about.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: LAA on April 18, 2010, 03:09:55 AM: Unfortunately, I have had problems feeding .380 hydrashoks to my LWS .380. After talking with Larry Seecamp, it appears it is a rare problem but not unheard of. My .380 is on its way back to Larry to have him take a look at it. However, I sincerely doubt this is why your shop doesn't carry the .380's. In all likelihood it is because Seecamp isn't taking orders right now from anyone because they are 2 to 3 years behind on production.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 08:46:59 AM: LAA. Sorry to hear of your Seecamp .380 problem. Hope it gets cleared up. Now, I have heard of a problem and hope it is rare. I'll be using Silvertips, so we'll see.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 18, 2010, 10:43:54 AM: CLP worked well, but when I made the move to Eezox everything was very very very smooth... My 380 now feeds as smooth as my .32.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 11:52:13 AM: My .32 works like a charm. I'll start the .380 out on the Eezox and using Silvertips and feel like everything will be fine.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 18, 2010, 01:13:11 PM: Hydra Shoks ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GWihKd_GHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_O8BQxIyQY
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 01:35:43 PM: Impressive, for sure! :) :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on April 18, 2010, 02:07:31 PM: If we look long and hard at feeding issues in these little pocket guns we'll be finding fault with the ammunition.
The LWS 380 as well as the LWS 32 could have potential issues feeding if the proper suggested ammunition is not used. In the rare cases that there is an issue feeding it may be due the the differences in ammunition from the same factory.
We've gotten to a point where we would shoot almost one whole twenty round box of ammunition to test reliability and save enough for carry.

Recoil on any little pistol is snappy, I have always said it is mind over matter, if you don't mind, it won't matter.
I have found by experimenting with shooters of the LWS 380 if I hand them the pistol to try, they like it. If I fore warn it may be a snappy recoil, they have it in their mind it will hurt, and most cases they comment that it is a snappy recoil.I mostly hand my Seecamp 380s to those that shoot and recoil is not a factor.

I had recommended Gold Dots for both the LWS 32 and the LWS 380 and it so happened I'd use Gold Dots in the R9, so it was easy to remember.
No longer are the Gold Dots recommended for the LWS 380.
I have used Cor-Bon and Hydro Shoks when I can't get Silvertips.
I have checked here not that long ago and Gold Dot 115gr are still recommended for the R9.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 02:53:50 PM: Good information, chameleon. Looking forward to getting the Seecamp .380. I'm going to start it out on Silvertips, as it is one of the recommended ammos and because I like Silvertips for the R9.

Recoil is not an issue, as the .454 Alaskan, .44 Mag Ruger Super Blackhawk, and Taurus Judge Magnum, get an outing quite often, with the .500 S&W waiting in the wings, so to speak.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: hedrok on April 18, 2010, 06:54:04 PM: At least for me and a few others I've talked to, the primary difference with the 380 recoil is the very sharp slap from the trigger guard on the back of the trigger finger. It's not something that will stop anyone from firing a few rounds...but I've not heard of too many guys volunteering to run any more than a couple of mags thru, either. After about 8-10 rds. the "macho" look begins to disappear and the "Ya...that's a fine gun" and "here, you try it, ........(fill in the name of other friend who's been watching)..It's not bad at all." (liar)
;) I love the gun and have two...but, the R9 is a lot more comfortable to shoot.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: hedrok on April 18, 2010, 07:00:06 PM: BTW...There's a Seecamp BNIB on GB right now...last I looked the price was a little over $800.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 07:06:48 PM: I know. I've heard the same thing about the slap from the trigger guard. I plan on this being a defensive weapon only, with just a few rounds fired to see how it does.

Going to adopt the same principal as is used on the R9, carry a lot, shoot little.

So, you have two .380's? :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 18, 2010, 07:08:34 PM: The Seecamp 380 has an MSRP of 795 from 2003. I am surprised it has not increased to the 925-975 range when you take inflation and demand into account.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

I really believe if you find a Seecamp .380 for under 1000 you are doing very very well...
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 18, 2010, 07:10:46 PM: Quote
At least for me and a few others I've talked to, the primary difference with the 380 recoil is the very sharp slap from the trigger guard on the back of the trigger finger. It's not something that will stop anyone from firing a few rounds...but I've not heard of too many guys volunteering to run any more than a couple of mags thru, either. After about 8-10 rds. the "macho" look begins to disappear and the "Ya...that's a fine gun" and "here, you try it, ........(fill in the name of other friend who's been watching)..It's not bad at all." (liar)
;) I love the gun and have two...but, the R9 is a lot more comfortable to shoot.

I find the R9 recoil to be the same as the Seecamp 380. I have yet to have my finger slapped too... The only reason I don't shoot more than a couple mags is because of ammo availability. Nothing to do with hand fatigue for me ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: hedrok on April 18, 2010, 07:15:21 PM: Fortunately, yes. One that has a special serial nbr. notating the month my wife and I met and pet names for each other, swiped from a movie with Sean Connery and Catherin Zita-Jones. My wife carries a Seecamp 32 with the corresponding name & number.
The other, is still sealed in the box with another special serial nbr on it. It took 22 months from order to receipt.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 07:21:42 PM: I'm gonna find out soon, hopefully, and don't antisipate any hand fatigue either. I shoot a box of 50 .454 300gr. in the Ruger Alaskan with no fatigue.

I just like powerful stuff! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 07:27:14 PM: Quote
Fortunately, yes. One that has a special serial nbr. notating the month my wife and I met and pet names for each other, swiped from a movie with Sean Connery and Catherin Zita-Jones. My wife carries a Seecamp 32 with the corresponding name & number.
The other, is still sealed in the box with another special serial nbr on it. It took 22 months from order to receipt.

Sounds nice. I got on Seecamp's list to be called when they would take orders again which will probably be a couple years and then the order list which will probably be another couple years +.

If that comes into being, I'll have two as well. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: hedrok on April 18, 2010, 07:33:18 PM: How'd that go....??? "Patience, Grasshopper." Ya...I think that was it.
That's what I kept telling myself...then I forgot about it altogether and eventually got a call that it was in...Christmas all over again!!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Richard S on April 18, 2010, 07:47:48 PM: Quote
* * *
I just like powerful stuff! ;D

KJ:

Then you should really like the M109A6 Paladin self-propelled howitzer. 8)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/M109A6Paladin.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on April 18, 2010, 07:50:10 PM: Just keep ordering them, of course once they start taking orders again.

That's what I did.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 08:00:23 PM: Now there's a thought, Richard! I like the power!

This is not as powerful as the howitzer, though! ;D

(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/Barrett9929inch50BMG.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 08:01:57 PM: Quote
Just keep ordering them, of course once they start taking orders again.

That's what I did.

I'll be waiting for that call, for sure! :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 18, 2010, 08:04:39 PM: Might be a little difficult to pocket carry, but I like it!! ;)

Quote
Now there's a thought, Richard! I like the power!

This is not as powerful as the howitzer, though! ;D

(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/Barrett9929inch50BMG.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 08:10:33 PM: It is difficult. Hangs out the bottom of pants! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 08:21:52 PM: Quote
BTW...There's a Seecamp BNIB on GB right now...last I looked the price was a little over $800.

That bid is up to $855. now with six days to go. This same seller had one on Gunbroker on Thursday that went for $1150. I had called him that day and asked him if he had anymore and he said yes, one, for $1200 and that it would be going on Gunbroker next, and it is.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: hedrok on April 18, 2010, 09:11:32 PM: Wow....I guess that's the price of instant gratification. Let's see...
$400.00 (over msrp) divide by 22 months (at best) = $18.18/mo. or...approximately $0.61/day.
I dunno...tough decision. It was easy for me because I wanted special numbers. But, on other guns that did not have that option...I've been known to have a rather impulsive "safe sale."
Sometimes I regretted it....sometimes not. But it was always one hell of an adventure.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2010, 10:06:20 PM: I was definitely tempted, but knowing the msrp, just couldn't make myself say yes. It was tough to pass up, but then all of a sudden the one I will get popped up here; so it worked out.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 18, 2010, 10:28:53 PM: Quote

That bid is up to $855. now with six days to go. This same seller had one on Gunbroker on Thursday that went for $1150. I had called him that day and asked him if he had anymore and he said yes, one, for $1200 and that it would be going on Gunbroker next, and it is.

Just took it to 1000 for fun and I was instantly outbid from a max bid :D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on April 19, 2010, 07:45:09 AM: I'm not sure these LWS 380s will ever settle down in price as the LWS 32s did. Do you remember the 32s selling for close to a thousand dollars?
Then when the time comes these people that paid the inflated price ( I'm not saying that part is wrong) want to sell, they should expect to set the price for what the market value is, not what they paid.
There was a case on the Seecamp forum where the seller of a 32 wanted way over what you could get a nice used one or a brand new one, and he insisted that he should get that much as he paid too much for it back in the day.He wanted his investment back. Can't happen. Now with the LWS 380s getting up in price we may have the same issue, however, some one here stated that these MSRP prices for the LWS 380 are quite a few years old, and the Seecamp company could have an increase once they get caught up on orders.
So it is possible that some are paying today what tomorrows price will be, so resale wise you could get your money back.
Bottom line is you pay what you are willing to pay, and be happy that you bought one.

That being said, I would not sell any of my LWS 380s until the factory starts taking orders again and I see what a new one would cost me. The one I have on order is locked into that price, but I have ordered one every chance I had eventually the price will go up.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Richard S on April 19, 2010, 08:22:09 AM: KJ:

With a swivel mount, that should fit nicely on top of the Paladin. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 19, 2010, 10:08:07 AM: Richard. I suppose that could work. Now, for the Paladin! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 19, 2010, 10:11:57 AM: Quote
I'm not sure these LWS 380s will ever settle down in price as the LWS 32s did. Do you remember the 32s selling for close to a thousand dollars?
Then when the time comes these people that paid the inflated price ( I'm not saying that part is wrong) want to sell, they should expect to set the price for what the market value is, not what they paid.
There was a case on the Seecamp forum where the seller of a 32 wanted way over what you could get a nice used one or a brand new one, and he insisted that he should get that much as he paid too much for it back in the day.He wanted his investment back. Can't happen. Now with the LWS 380s getting up in price we may have the same issue, however, some one here stated that these MSRP prices for the LWS 380 are quite a few years old, and the Seecamp company could have an increase once they get caught up on orders.
So it is possible that some are paying today what tomorrows price will be, so resale wise you could get your money back.
Bottom line is you pay what you are willing to pay, and be happy that you bought one.

That being said, I would not sell any of my LWS 380s until the factory starts taking orders again and I see what a new one would cost me. The one I have on order is locked into that price, but I have ordered one every chance I had eventually the price will go up.

It will be interesting to see what the Seecamp price will be when orders are being taken again. I am glad this one came along, to ease the wait.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Newt on April 19, 2010, 02:03:35 PM: Quote
At least for me and a few others I've talked to, the primary difference with the 380 recoil is the very sharp slap from the trigger guard on the back of the trigger finger. It's not something that will stop anyone from firing a few rounds...but I've not heard of too many guys volunteering to run any more than a couple of mags thru, either. After about 8-10 rds. the "macho" look begins to disappear and the "Ya...that's a fine gun" and "here, you try it, ........(fill in the name of other friend who's been watching)..It's not bad at all." (liar)
;) I love the gun and have two...but, the R9 is a lot more comfortable to shoot.

I agree with this. My Seecamp 380 hurts my arthritis in my thumb joints very bad but the R9 is way more comfortable to shoot. :-/
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: hedrok on April 19, 2010, 02:33:02 PM: I guess us "more life experienced" guys are discovering what we thought would only happen to old folks...we're getting a little creaky in the joints, too.
That said, I'd much rather have a sore finger or two than be without our stainless companions. Either 380 or 9 is a whole lot better than throwing our keys at the BG. ::)

Besides...I can't throw worth a darn anymore.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 19, 2010, 02:39:40 PM: Like CCW says, this is a disease, with no cure! ;D I like that! Tells it like it is. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: hedrok on April 19, 2010, 02:52:59 PM: I've heard this "disease" includes all of the following (but not limited to) symptoms of buying, selling, trading, shooting, critiquing, loving, hating, altering, customizing, crying over (an entire sub-symptom category by itself), yearning and/or lusting for (that's when you REALLY have it bad)...and I'm sure you guys can come up with other phases of the ailment....Like the .50 cal. so nicely guarding the front door. :o
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 19, 2010, 03:10:53 PM: Well, just a good place for a picture, on the .50 caliber. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 19, 2010, 03:17:23 PM: My 380 arrives at the ffl tomorrow. Hopefully it checks out ;)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 19, 2010, 03:24:55 PM: Wonderful. Great when a plan comes together! These are adventurous times! :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 19, 2010, 10:10:13 PM: I am working on perfecting a system of finding Seecamp 380's for sale. Later this week I might share part of it. ::)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on April 19, 2010, 10:37:51 PM: Asking any of you who have fired one, is this like a cherry bomb exploding in your hand? I am having a hard time understanding the appeal other than the cult and rarity that fuels demand.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 19, 2010, 10:49:50 PM: Quote
Asking any of you who have fired one, is this like a cherry bomb exploding in your hand? I am having a hard time understanding the appeal other than the cult and rarity that fuels demand.

I don't find the recoil to be any snappier than the R9. When my pockets can not accommodate the R9, which is very often, the Seecamp goes in my pocket. The Seecamp is my everywhere firearm, whereas the R9 goes with me when it can fit. No matter what I wear, the Seecamp can always be with me when I go out. The Seecamp can easily fit in coat pockets, gym shorts, khakis, a camera case etc... The same can not be said for the R9.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: hedrok on April 19, 2010, 11:19:01 PM: IMHO, the Seecamp is as close to a perfect, small SELF-DEFENSE weapon as there is. Virtually anyone, regardless of body type, can find a place/way to carry it concealed; it's extremely reliable with proper ammo; smooth, consistent trigger. Add to that, excellent resale/investment value and you've got the whole package...pretty much the same as Rohrbaugh. Both extremely high quality firearms, made with the same kind of pride that used to be the trademark of US industry.
That said, I've carried my R9 almost every day...all day...in a IWB from KD holsters...Mini Defender, I think, for 4 or 5 years. The Seecamp(s) are for when I can't wear a concealment garment or want a back-up.
I wouldn't part with either one.

It's not as bad as a cherry bomb...but neither one is a target fun gun.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on April 19, 2010, 11:23:44 PM: Thanks for both of your excellent and descriptive replies.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: LAA on April 20, 2010, 02:51:45 AM: Quote
LAA. Sorry to hear of your Seecamp .380 problem. Hope it gets cleared up. Now, I have heard of a problem and hope it is rare. I'll be using Silvertips, so we'll see.

Silvertips, what are those ;) Wish I could get some . . . fwiw, some folks on the Seecamp forum have been in touch with Winchester and they were supposed to start a .32 Silvertip production run this week and will move onto .380's after they are through with .32's.

I'm confident Larry will tune up the .380 (and the .32 that I sent in with slide launching problems) and all will be good again. The great thing about Seecamp is that the quality of their guns is only exceeded by the quality of their customer service.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 20, 2010, 07:53:34 AM: I've got a backorder in for the .380 Silvertips from Cabela's. Received two shipments of .45 LC's 225 gr. Silvertips last week, so looks like something is happening. Now, for the other calibers. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 20, 2010, 08:13:16 AM: Quote
My 380 arrives at the ffl tomorrow. Hopefully it checks out ;)

CCW. Today's the day! Hope this little jewel meets your expectations. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Newt on April 20, 2010, 09:36:27 AM: Quote
Asking any of you who have fired one, is this like a cherry bomb exploding in your hand? I am having a hard time understanding the appeal other than the cult and rarity that fuels demand.

Even though I find the recoil of the LWS380 punishing I agree with the majority that it is the easiest carry pistol, due to its size, on the planet. I was very fortunate to have the great RJ Hedely make me a front pocket masterpiece for it.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 20, 2010, 10:12:43 AM: I agree on the carrying ease of the Seecamp. I carry the .32 everywhere, except banks. Now, soon, will graduating to the .380.

The Aker's front pocket holster I got when purchasing the .32 will, of course, fit the .380, so it will be ready for duty. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 20, 2010, 10:39:10 AM: Quote

CCW. Today's the day! Hope this little jewel meets your expectations. :)

Fed Ex overnight tracking says it is on the delivery truck and expected to be at the FFL before 10:30am ;D Will post pics tonight if it arrives before noon! Otherwise I will have to pick it up tomorrow.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 20, 2010, 10:49:18 AM: Fed Ex is usually accurate, so would think it will be there. Excellent! :) :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 20, 2010, 11:29:20 AM: Shows it as delivered! Fedex made it with 3 minutes to spare ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 20, 2010, 12:11:37 PM: It looks perfect! He even threw in a silver mag extension! Pics will be up soon:)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 20, 2010, 12:32:29 PM: Happy days are here! Excellent on the mag extension, too! Maybe Phil will throw one in on mine also. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 20, 2010, 12:50:41 PM: She is getting an Eezox bath and I am off to work!

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Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 20, 2010, 01:01:53 PM: Now, that is nice! You now have to go to work? I do understand, though. Somebody's got to do it! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 20, 2010, 02:49:28 PM: Quote
Now, that is nice! You now have to go to work? I do understand, though. Somebody's got to do it! ;D

lol! You are killin me >:(
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 20, 2010, 08:29:28 PM: I think I remember someone singing this.
I Owe- I Owe So Off To Work I Go

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 20, 2010, 09:02:22 PM: Quote

lol! You are killin me >:(

Just think! You're probably off tomorrow! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 20, 2010, 09:39:16 PM: hahahaha... Nice ;)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 20, 2010, 11:28:35 PM: Update:

My 380 is being returned to the seller.

It feeds Silvertips, but Hydra Shok do NOT chamber at all. Hydra Shok will not even hand feed and only make it about 3/4 of the way into the chamber. I notice there is a little dip in the chamber so I think that is causing the hang up. The seller has used not recommended truncated ammo and I am wondering if that may have caused the dip in the chamber. Maybe he even used high pressure rounds... Either way the seller is being nice about it and is refunding my money. I will post this on the Seecamp forum too. It was fun while it lasted lol... ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 20, 2010, 11:54:43 PM: Bummer, sorry to hear that. Glad the seller is willing to take it back.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: LAA on April 21, 2010, 02:32:53 AM: Florida CCW,

Sorry to hear about your problems. I too had probs with the Hydrashoks feeding but only with the last round. Mine is at Seecamp being looked at right now.

Have you considered talking to Larry? If you call the tech number on the Seecamp website, Larry actually answers the phone and is very personable and helpful. When I talked to him, he said he doubted it was a problem with the ammo because Hydrashoks have such tight manufacturing tolerances. However, now that I hear others are having the same problem, I wonder if it isn't an ammo manufacturing problem after all. By now, Larry may have spoken with Federal and found out one way or the other whether it is an ammo problem. Who knows, you may be able to save yourself the hassel of returning the gun and finding and winning the bid on another .380 by simply calling Larry.

If you got a good price on the .380, it may be worth it to send it in to Larry for a tune up rather than returning it to the Seller. They really do stand behind every gun for the life of the gun and the warranty transfers with the gun.

Whatever you end up doing, I hope it all works out for you.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 21, 2010, 07:44:53 AM: Quote
Update:

My 380 is being returned to the seller.

It feeds Silvertips, but Hydra Shok do NOT chamber at all. Hydra Shok will not even hand feed and only make it about 3/4 of the way into the chamber. I notice there is a little dip in the chamber so I think that is causing the hang up. The seller has used not recommended truncated ammo and I am wondering if that may have caused the dip in the chamber. Maybe he even used high pressure rounds... Either way the seller is being nice about it and is refunding my money. I will post this on the Seecamp forum too. It was fun while it lasted lol... ;D

CCW. Sorry to hear of this problem, for sure. Excellent that the seller is working with you and refunding your money. Still, I know it's hard to take.

LAA makes a good point. Good luck in getting this resolved.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 21, 2010, 08:58:02 AM: Quote
Florida CCW,

Sorry to hear about your problems. I too had probs with the Hydrashoks feeding but only with the last round. Mine is at Seecamp being looked at right now.

Have you considered talking to Larry? If you call the tech number on the Seecamp website, Larry actually answers the phone and is very personable and helpful. When I talked to him, he said he doubted it was a problem with the ammo because Hydrashoks have such tight manufacturing tolerances. However, now that I hear others are having the same problem, I wonder if it isn't an ammo manufacturing problem after all. By now, Larry may have spoken with Federal and found out one way or the other whether it is an ammo problem. Who knows, you may be able to save yourself the hassel of returning the gun and finding and winning the bid on another .380 by simply calling Larry.

If you got a good price on the .380, it may be worth it to send it in to Larry for a tune up rather than returning it to the Seller. They really do stand behind every gun for the life of the gun and the warranty transfers with the gun.

Whatever you end up doing, I hope it all works out for you.

Thanks. The seller is actually having me send it to Larry because he wants it fixed too. It is NOT the ammo. The same Hydra ammo easily feeds into my other Seecamp 380 just fine. The chambers are simply different. Is the chamber damaged...I don't know. Is there variability in the manufacturing process of chambers when they are made? Could be... We will see :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: hedrok on April 21, 2010, 09:14:46 AM: Tracker asked earlier "Why the passion.." (I'm paraphrasing)...and this is another example of the answer.
Not only is the seller assisting in solving the problem CCW is having, but so will many others including the fine man whose name is on the pistol.
The same passion for the trade exists with Carl Rohrbaugh, as everyone here knows.
Sure gives some of us confidence that the old "American Spirit" is still alive.
Makes me proud to carry these guns.

Ya, I know...corny....but true.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 21, 2010, 10:08:44 AM: hedrok. Not corny at all. I like that: the old "American Spirit" is still alive; and CCW. Good that you are sending the .380 to Larry and seller wants it fixed as well.

The passion continues and rightly so!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: LAA on April 21, 2010, 01:34:30 PM: Quote

Is there variability in the manufacturing process of chambers when they are made? Could be... We will see :)

In short, the answer is yes, probably. . .

My understanding from talking to Larry is that with the exception of a few stamped parts (such as the hammer strut) all parts are cast large and hand milled to fit each unique gun. I'm not a metalurgist so I don't completely understand the reasoning behind this process but I believe it has something to do with maintaining maximum randomness in the molecular structure which creates a stronger matrix than if there are defined margins to the cast that require no finish work. Thus, by definition there are manufacturing variations in every hand milled Seecamp part and each Seecamp has a unique "personality". In this regard, it is not uncommon for a Seecamp .32 to dislike a specific brand of ammo - this isn't too much of a problem because there are many varieties of ammo that work in the .32. However, the same issue in a .380 is huge problem since there are only 2 types of ammo and Hydra Shoks seem to be the most readily available of the two. As mentioned in my last e-mail, I'm sure Larry will make things right, even if it requires sending out an entirely new .380.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 21, 2010, 01:49:48 PM: There is quite a bit of hand fitting in them but no hand milling anymore its done by a CNC machine. Its an awfully cool process to watch it go frome two chunks to a polished gun. I have pics from a factory visit I was blessed with a month ago that I can post of some of the how to's when I get home. Larry did take me over to the old shop and show me the orginal machines that he got started with and that was real neat to see.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 21, 2010, 01:52:13 PM: CCW. I'm sure everything will be made right as well. I just picked up the .380 and it looks very nice. Won't have a chance to fire it until the Silvertips come in.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 21, 2010, 01:53:19 PM: Just spoke with Larry and he is stumped. He was very nice on the phone and aplogized for missing my call earlier in the day. He said this is a first and will figure things out.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 21, 2010, 01:57:03 PM: CCW. If Larry figures out the problem, do you keep it? Just wondering. My thought is, yes.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: LAA on April 21, 2010, 04:31:54 PM: Quote
There is quite a bit of hand fitting in them but no hand milling anymore its done by a CNC machine. Its an awfully cool process to watch it go frome two chunks to a polished gun. I have pics from a factory visit I was blessed with a month ago that I can post of some of the how to's when I get home. Larry did take me over to the old shop and show me the orginal machines that he got started with and that was real neat to see.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm not a machinist either. As I was talking to Larry, I was trying to contrast in my mind the process that, for example, NAA uses (electronic injection molding) which results in precision pieces that have a lower tensil strength. In my mind, I pictured the Seecamp milling process as a mechanical process involving human interaction, judgment and precision in operating the machinery rather than electronically designed and manufactured moldings and electronically controlled burnoff and injection. Either way, I think you still end up with manufacturing variances with the Seecamps but the trade off in light weight durability and strength is worth it. By contrast, the NAA Guardian .380, which is a fine precision manufactured gun for its price range, is significantly larger and dramatically heavier than the Seecamp .380 (even though it is a clone). NAA says that by increasing the size of their .380, they can accommodate a larger range of ammol; this may be true, but it is also true that it was necessary to beef up the NAA .380, to compensate for lower tensil strength steel.

Ok, I'm just rambling now and perhaps I have hijacked the thread . . . Sorry.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 21, 2010, 05:07:32 PM: Quote
CCW. If Larry figures out the problem, do you keep it? Just wondering. My thought is, yes.
If he can fix the issue then no problem exists. I would keep it then :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 21, 2010, 06:44:27 PM: Hope the fix is possible, and think it should be.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on April 21, 2010, 10:44:54 PM: I tell ya what, I'd buy it after Larry finished with it.
No doubt that it will be fixed, and heavily tested. Not just by shooting, Larry will do as CCW did and test the fit of various ammunition.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 21, 2010, 11:23:40 PM: Quote

Thanks for the clarification. I'm not a machinist either. As I was talking to Larry, I was trying to contrast in my mind the process that, for example, NAA uses (electronic injection molding) which results in precision pieces that have a lower tensil strength. In my mind, I pictured the Seecamp milling process as a mechanical process involving human interaction, judgment and precision in operating the machinery rather than electronically designed and manufactured moldings and electronically controlled burnoff and injection. Either way, I think you still end up with manufacturing variances with the Seecamps but the trade off in light weight durability and strength is worth it. By contrast, the NAA Guardian .380, which is a fine precision manufactured gun for its price range, is significantly larger and dramatically heavier than the Seecamp .380 (even though it is a clone). NAA says that by increasing the size of their .380, they can accommodate a larger range of ammol; this may be true, but it is also true that it was necessary to beef up the NAA .380, to compensate for lower tensil strength steel.

Ok, I'm just rambling now and perhaps I have hijacked the thread . . . Sorry.

Any machining on a production pistol today is done with a CNC (computed numerically controlled) machine. There is a programmer who writes a program for the machine and once it is set up the human factor doe's very little. The operator watches the machine make the parts and looks for any problems, but has no real control of the actual machining.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on April 22, 2010, 12:27:41 AM: I wonder where Larry buys his ammo.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 22, 2010, 12:58:34 AM: Quote
I wonder where Larry buys his ammo.

Wal-Mart ;D

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380ll
Post by: kjtrains on April 22, 2010, 07:21:02 AM: Quote
I tell ya what, I'd buy it after Larry finished with it.
No doubt that it will be fixed, and heavily tested. Not just by shooting, Larry will do as CCW did and test the fit of various ammunition.

When Larry is finished, I'll bet you couldn't pry it out of CCW's hand. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 22, 2010, 08:03:48 AM: Quote

Just took it to 1000 for fun and I was instantly outbid from a max bid :D

Bid is now $1050. May go to $1150. Three days plus to go. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 22, 2010, 09:05:15 AM: My bet is that it goes to $1194
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 22, 2010, 09:27:57 AM: Then I won't get it! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 22, 2010, 10:17:41 PM: Quote
CCW. I'm sure everything will be made right as well. I just picked up the .380 and it looks very nice. Won't have a chance to fire it until the Silvertips come in.

Great!!!
If you want silvertips, let me know. I don't mind selling a box at cost. I have around 350 rounds of Hydra so I don't mind parting with them.

On another note, a Seecamp forum member thought my Seecamp may have some brass or alum lodged in the chamber. Larry actually mentioned this in our phone conversation and I am wondering if that may have been the problem. I did not see any, but I really did not look all that thoroughly either. We will see :D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 22, 2010, 10:28:00 PM: I'll take the Silvertips and thanks. Just send me a PM with the cost and your address or do you take Paypal? Are these 20 or 50 per box?

On your Seecamp, sure hope it gets resolved soon!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 23, 2010, 07:08:49 PM: PM sent and thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 23, 2010, 09:13:20 PM: Thank you! The Seecamp .380 is looking forward to lunch! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 23, 2010, 09:56:51 PM: I just located a NIB Seecamp 380 at a gun shop out of state for $859, I need to call tomorrow and find out if the owner will ship, he was not there today. ;D

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 23, 2010, 10:10:57 PM: Quote
I just located a NIB Seecamp 380 at a gun shop out of state for $859, I need to call tomorrow and find out if the owner will ship, he was not there today. ;D

John

Good luck! I see you have posted WTB a .380 Seecamp in every single gun forum lol... ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 23, 2010, 10:11:22 PM: He only wants $200. to ship! ;D ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 23, 2010, 10:19:28 PM: Quote

Good luck! I see you have posted WTB a .380 Seecamp in every single gun forum lol... ;D

That's were I got the lead, a guy from one of the forums (one I'm pretty sure you are not on :D) I have seen your name on a lot of them.
I am a member on at least thirty forums. I list and sell brass to the guys who reload.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 23, 2010, 10:25:30 PM: Quote
He only wants $200. to ship! ;D ;D

That would be my luck, I found another shop who just received there three gun allotment, but they were all sold, he said it would be two to three years before he got more. Another shop told me they were no longer going to carry the 380s because they were too hard to get.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 23, 2010, 10:33:59 PM: Quote

That's were I got the lead, a guy from one of the forums (one I'm pretty sure you are not on :D) I have seen your name on a lot of them.
I am a member on at least thirty forums. I list and sell brass to the guys who reload.

John

At least 30 forums? :o I have found your listing on about 8 of them ;D Hope you get your 380!!!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 23, 2010, 10:38:55 PM: The one I got Wednesday is like new, so, pleased with that. Now, can just wait on orders to be taken again at Seecamp in about four plus years. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 24, 2010, 09:07:56 AM: Quote
I just located a NIB Seecamp 380 at a gun shop out of state for $859, I need to call tomorrow and find out if the owner will ship, he was not there today. ;D

John

Seriously, John. Good luck. Hope this guy is in today. If he is, and you don't want it, give me a call. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 24, 2010, 06:23:52 PM: I talked with them and the shipping is $25 ;D. I will send a money order on Monday. I figure even if I didn't like it, I wouldn't loose any money if I decided to sell it.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 24, 2010, 06:34:56 PM: Great, John. Does he have any more? ;D That really was a great buy. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 24, 2010, 08:51:54 PM: I asked them if they had any others and they did not.
I was contacted by a guy who has one for $1100 shipped, that has 20 rounds through it.
It was made in late 2005 and he got it in early 2006 and it has been in his safe except to show it off on occasion.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 24, 2010, 09:02:39 PM: I'm very satisfied with the one I got. There's another deal out there on a new one, somewhere, just have to find it. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 25, 2010, 12:15:57 AM: Bid has now gone to $1100. for the new Seecamp .380 on GunBroker with 2+ hours to go. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 25, 2010, 02:07:25 PM: Bump!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 25, 2010, 05:31:43 PM: All this talk about Seecamps the last few days got my mind spinning. Yesterday I stripped one down, checkered the front and back straps, painted the grips and Ceracoated the pistol black. I think for my first time cutting and coating on a gun it turned out pretty good. What do ya'll think?

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Custom%20Black%20Seecamp/corey-1.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 25, 2010, 06:00:07 PM: Well, I like a Seecamp better, stainless. Sorry! ;)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 25, 2010, 06:07:28 PM: New Seecamp .380 on Gunbroker sold for $1325.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 25, 2010, 07:48:47 PM: Quote
Well, I like a Seecamp better, stainless. Sorry! ;)

Its still stainless! Lol
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 25, 2010, 08:00:39 PM: Quote
All this talk about Seecamps the last few days got my mind spinning. Yesterday I stripped one down, checkered the front and back straps, painted the grips and Ceracoated the pistol black. I think for my first time cutting and coating on a gun it turned out pretty good. What do ya'll think?

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Custom%20Black%20Seecamp/corey-1.jpg)

Corey,
Fine job for an afternoons work. I guess being that good and that quick you can make some money at it, when mine gets here I'll send it to you for a one day makeover. ;D

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 25, 2010, 08:27:30 PM: Quote

Its still stainless! Lol

I should be more specific, right, Corey. ;D I like Seecamps better, stainless color, not black. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: JJ62 on April 25, 2010, 09:42:59 PM: Corey
Very nice Job 8)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 27, 2010, 09:56:35 PM: Quote
I am working on perfecting a system of finding Seecamp 380's for sale. Later this week I might share part of it. ::)

Ok here we go. It's really simple but works. Go to the Seecamp site and print out the dealer listing page http://www.seecamp.com/dealers.htm and start calling. Most will laugh when you ask if they have any Seecamp 380's instock or coming in soon BUT it just might payoff with a new gun headed your way! I found a couple last week when I called down the list and I only made it about half way through before hitting the jackpot!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 27, 2010, 11:56:36 PM: But Corey! How was the price? And thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 28, 2010, 09:13:58 AM: One fellow had one for $1200 and another had 2 for less than $900 each.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 28, 2010, 10:05:15 AM: I could live with the under $900. I'll start calling. Wouldn't want to PM me that phone No., would you? :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 28, 2010, 11:10:13 AM: I JUST GOT A NEW ONE FOR 910 SHIPPED IN TEXAS (Last one they had)!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 28, 2010, 11:30:27 AM: Now, that's nice. You can now locate one for me! I can tell you're excited about finding the new one. Hoping Corey would tell me that phone no. He's probably buying them both. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 28, 2010, 11:46:46 AM: Fantastic!!!! Told you it works.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 28, 2010, 11:48:19 AM: I still have a lot of emails out and will PM you anything worthwhile....
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 28, 2010, 11:55:54 AM: Quote
Fantastic!!!! Told you it works.
Thanks for the info! A few laughed at me and one just said no and hung up :D .... I am surprised by how fast some of the dealers responded to emails. I hit the east coast first and then bombed the midwest and west coast ;D I skipped some of the ones that did not list emails so there is probably another 380 around. A few even said they sell at 800 when they have them.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 28, 2010, 12:53:55 PM: Quote
Now, that's nice. You can now locate one for me! I can tell you're excited about finding the new one. Hoping Corey would tell me that phone no. He's probably buying them both. ;D

kj,
If Corey gives you the phone number you miss the thrill of the hunt, the personal satisfaction of knowing and saying
"I DID IT, I found the Holy Grail" ;D
Florida and I were both mentally satisfied when we knew we cheated the aftermarket vultures out of there $400 profit.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 28, 2010, 12:55:50 PM: Quote
I still have a lot of emails out and will PM you anything worthwhile....

CCW. Thanks for the help. I'll start calling this afternoon and see if anything else is out there.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 28, 2010, 01:21:15 PM: To be honest I really don't care about getting a new one. I am just happy to get another 380 for under 1000. One of the few solid investments left today ;)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 28, 2010, 03:36:42 PM: Quote

kj,
If Corey give s you the phone number you miss the thrill of the hunt, the personal satisfaction of knowing and saying
"I DID IT, I found the Holy Grail" ;D
Florida and I were both mentally satisfied when we knew we cheated the aftermarket vultures out of there $400 profit.

John

That's true. I'll go looking.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 28, 2010, 04:56:14 PM: If I do run across another one I will let you know, if your still looking at that time.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 28, 2010, 05:14:26 PM: Thanks. Thought I would have some time today to do that, but not the case. There's tomorrow, hopefullly.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 28, 2010, 11:08:34 PM: Did get around to sending out 11 emails this evening and got 2 responses. One saying he had 3 due in two weeks and his price $1500 each; the other saying not available.

I sent them late. Others may respond tomorrow.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 28, 2010, 11:11:19 PM: You gona get all three? :o
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 28, 2010, 11:13:19 PM: Not tonight! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 29, 2010, 01:06:23 PM: Struck out so far on the Dealer's list. Have called and emailed just about everyone. Did find a dealer that said if he had any his price would be $799, but he wasn't expecting any.

Two more replies; one for $1200 and one for $1250.

The hunt continues. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 30, 2010, 12:06:24 AM: kj,
Wow five for $6950 plus shipping and FFL transfer fees, what a deal. :o
I callad several places and had no luck, one guy told me they have given up on trying to order them :(, because they have to put money on them when they place the order and then wait two years to get them. :(

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 30, 2010, 06:39:17 AM: Yep! I've emailed or called just about everyone on the dealer list with no luck; $1200 to $1500 if they have one. :(
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 30, 2010, 08:43:31 AM: This is one of the responses I received. Do you think that new prices are in the future? I had another similar reponse from a dealer too.

Hello
Thanks for asking, but unfortunately, I do not have any 380 LWS Seecamps in stock or in the pipeline now. Just as soon as Seecamp opens up the order list for 380, I will be able to get a spot. They have not provided a tentative date or cost planned for new the list.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 30, 2010, 09:30:03 AM: I had that same email, also. It does make you wonder if prices are going up. However, one email, as I mentioned earlier, said if he had any, his pricie would be $799. So I just don't know.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on April 30, 2010, 09:33:06 AM: 799 is for orders already placed right? Did Sandi quote you a price for being on the waiting list of the waiting list too? Just curious...
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 30, 2010, 10:29:26 AM: No, and I forgot to ask. I was so surprised when she offered to put me on the list to be called that I forgot to do that.

On another note, one guy I called in Texas said he had two, just got them in on 4/25; one is on GunBroker on the link below, and he's holding the other one until he finds what the one on the auction brings. He'll then ask that price for the one he's holding.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=166679927

Just called Sue at Seecamp. Sandi is on vacation. I asked her about the Seecamp .380 price on new orders and she said $795. No price increase that she knows about and nothing has been mentioned about one.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 30, 2010, 11:45:25 PM: I'm wanting the one in that link you posted. His are consecutive to some I have already but his reserve is $1200 and my right and left hands just cant agree on that price. Well see what happens.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 01, 2010, 01:21:32 AM: Well, good luck! ;D The one in the link went for $1200.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 04, 2010, 12:04:20 PM: Hit pay dirt. Just checked my email, and had a message saying this gun shop had just gotten in two Seecamp .380's, which had been on order for 18 months, and just under $900 each and I mean, just under.

I quickly called. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: hedrok on May 04, 2010, 01:55:21 PM: WHY ? ?

;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 04, 2010, 02:10:01 PM: Just because! ;D And will deliver tomorrow, 5/5/10.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Quiet1 on May 04, 2010, 04:52:33 PM: Quote
Hit pay dirt. Just checked my email, and had a message saying this gun shop had just gotten in two Seecamp .380's, which had been on order for 18 months, and just under $900 each and I mean, just under.

I quickly called. ;D

Way to go! Congratulations! Your conscientiousness and hard work paid off. That's an excellent price for a NIB "instant gratification" LWS380. I'm surprised that you didn't grab them both. :D

You may want to be a nice guy and post the dealer's name and number if he still has the other one. It won't last long.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 04, 2010, 06:28:25 PM: Thanks and I did get them both. Good investment.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 04, 2010, 10:34:34 PM: Good deal! Looks like my little plan has helped a few out here. Glad I could help!

PS. Put me on a early Farmingdale and we can call it even. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 04, 2010, 10:45:29 PM: Yep! Corey, your plan does work. If I find an early Farmingdale, you'll get first dibs, even before me. Thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 04, 2010, 11:13:30 PM: Wow, that sounds great! Thanks kytrains and you are MORE than welcome. I'm glad it worked out for you. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on May 05, 2010, 12:26:40 AM: Quote
Wow, that sounds great! Thanks kytrains and you are MORE than welcome. I'm glad it worked out for you. :)

hmmmm- "kytrains" ?? I wont touch that one. ;D

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on May 05, 2010, 12:31:24 AM: kj,
Glad you were able to make a good find and a great purchase.
Very satisfying knowing your efforts paid off.
I will pick up my 380 on Thursday.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 05, 2010, 07:57:56 AM: Great, John and thanks. The .380's are here. The plan came together quickly once I discovered I had the email. Even though the gun store had just got them in, they hadn't tried to sell them to anyone else and that was nice.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on May 05, 2010, 08:15:02 PM: My Seecamp arrived today at my FFL, I will pick it up tomorrow, should have my Hidden Holster for it in the next day or two also also. :D

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 05, 2010, 09:06:01 PM: Great, John. Picked both mine up today, so am a happy camper. Already had the front pocket holster for the .32 so that will work nicely for the .380 as well. I'll use the one I got from Phil for duty purposes. It's as new, so pleased with that one too.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on May 19, 2010, 10:52:31 PM: Have you taken the 380 to the range yet? ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 19, 2010, 11:18:54 PM: No. Been raining here a lot. Hope it clears off soon. Did you get yours back from Seecamp yet?
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on May 20, 2010, 09:25:45 PM: Not yet, but hopefully it shows up soon. The seller said he will refund at any time. I plan to call Larry to get an ETA. If it is going to be much longer, I will just ask for a refund.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 20, 2010, 09:31:32 PM: Yep! It would be good to know what he is finding and what the prognosis is! Sure hope it won't be much longer.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on May 24, 2010, 09:32:52 PM: Spoke with Larry today about the .380. He was able to duplicate the hydra shok feeding problem, but was unable to figure out the reason. He decided to smooth out the chamber and the problem was resolved. In the end, he thinks that there was a burr inside the chamber that kept the round from properly feeding. It was fired with no problems and he stated that the firearm was functioning properly :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on May 24, 2010, 10:00:48 PM: Great news, and very good customer service.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 24, 2010, 10:33:55 PM: Quote
Spoke with Larry today about the .380. He was able to duplicate the hydra shok feeding problem, but was unable to figure out the reason. He decided to smooth out the chamber and the problem was resolved. In the end, he thinks that there was a burr inside the chamber that kept the round from properly feeding. It was fired with no problems and he stated that the firearm was functioning properly :)

Very good CCW. Now the .380 can come home. Definitely great news. Glad it didn't take much longer. Now enjoy!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 27, 2010, 03:29:40 PM: Well, here in Geroria, and just got in from firing the .380 Seecamp I got from Phil and wouldn't you know it, I forgot and left the .380 Silvertips in NC. I did bring a box of .380 Gold Dots which just happened to be in the ammo box and results were not good. Shot 20 rds and had 4 failures to feed.

I know it's not the recommended ammo, but thought I would give it a try. Most were on the last round. The Seecamp .380 is not a hard kicker to me and everything was good to that last round and one mag had the next to the last and last round wouldn't feed. Had to rack the slide.

So now, on to the Silvertips, when back in NC.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on May 27, 2010, 09:42:54 PM: There is a reason the Gold Dots are no longer on the .380 Seecamp list, they're just not healthy for the little pistol.
the bullet is actually too large and the weight combined with the size really changes the characteristics of the movement of the slide.There is absolutely no benefit coming out the muzzle end to justify using them.
Sorry they didn't work for you, but the Silvertips will probably work.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 27, 2010, 09:51:02 PM: Thanks, chameleon. I just had the Gold Dots in the box and thought maybe they would work. I meant to bring the Silvertips and just forgot them. Thanks again for the info.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on May 27, 2010, 09:57:16 PM: How did you forget them??? ::) ;)

Buy some hydra when you get a chance too. They are prettier than the silvertips ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 27, 2010, 10:02:54 PM: I had the ammo box so full, it was hard to lift, so I put the 9mm and .380 Silvertips in a different container for the trip to Georgia. Not done that before. So.......picked up the ammo box and loaded in the car forgetting the other container. Thought about it miles down the road.

I'm going to look for some Hydra Shoks tomorrow at Bass Pro Shops. There's a big one here.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 27, 2010, 10:29:57 PM: If you make it over to Griffin there are two places to check. Berry's Hunting and Fishing store on 5th or 6th street might have them and Daves Guns and Guy stuff on Old Atlanta Rd has 380 hp Aguila (I know a man that uses these in lots of Seecamp 380's). If you go there tell Dave I sent you.
corey
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 27, 2010, 10:52:13 PM: I was just in Griffin today and on 6th street. I'll go back and also look for Daves Guns. I will tell Dave you sent me. Thanks.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 27, 2010, 11:01:32 PM: If you want to call to see if its worth the trip

Berry's 770-227-3048

Dave's 770-227-7059
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 27, 2010, 11:07:42 PM: Hey, thanks. That'll work. Just had my wife looking up how to get to Dave's. The GPS will take us right there. Will call first. Thanks again.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 27, 2010, 11:29:04 PM: You did not happen to be in Berry's this afternoon at 5:15 ish did you?
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 27, 2010, 11:32:18 PM: If you have time to burn I HIGHLY recommend you make the trip down to Butler, Ga (about 50 min south of Griffin on Hwy 19) and go to Barrow Automotive. They have a HUGE inventory of guns (over 5000) and are great people.

478-862-5205 it there number
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 28, 2010, 07:11:19 AM: Quote
You did not happen to be in Berry's this afternoon at 5:15 ish did you?

No, I was going to Lowes and just turned down 6th street. Didn't even see Berry's. That was around 11:30. Thanks on the tip to Barrow Automotive. We do have some time.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on May 28, 2010, 10:37:55 AM: I gave Bernie a call. He didn't have any Hydra Shoks in and didn't know if he had any ordered. Didn't have his order form handy.

Called Dave. He does have the Aguila .380's for $26.00 for a box of 50. No Hydra Shoks. I told him I would be there in the next day or so and that you had steered me in his direction. Many thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 01, 2010, 04:38:37 PM: Hey Corey. Glad to finally meet you in person. Cool place, Dave's Guns. I've now tried the Aguila .380 90 gr. and got the same results. Fired 57 rounds with the first mag firing flawlessly. Then every mag thereafter had failure to feed on the last round.

Changed mags just to see if anything changed and got failure to extract on 3rd rd, and on another, failure to extract on 4th rd. Cleaned bore after each mag just to see, but same thing; failure to feed on last rd.

Called Larry Seecamp and he immediately said send the gun back to him along with some empty casings. I told him I would try some Silvertips and Hydra-Shoks first just to see and he agreed. So that'll be next week.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on June 01, 2010, 07:51:41 PM: It was good to meet you too. Dave's is just a whole in the wall but you never know whats going to be on the shelf from day to day and its fun to see what walks in the door. Dave has a huge collection of pocket pistols. He has done several shows on the History channel about pocket pistols. Anyway I hate to hear your still having problems with the LWS. I'd go ahead and send it to Larry and let him tweek it for you. That way you won't be burning your own ammo untill its ready. Like everyone else says, Larry will make it right!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 01, 2010, 08:06:14 PM: Sounds like a good idea. When I mentioned that the .380 had done the same thing with Gold Dots as with the Aquila, Larry quickly said, we need to get that gun back.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on June 01, 2010, 09:23:18 PM: http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php/cPath/23_59_115/products_id/1445
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 01, 2010, 09:34:24 PM: CCW. I've seen this at ammoto go and was wondering if this is OK to use as it says Tactical. I know it's 90 gr. same as the Hydra-Shok Personal Defense. Just had that question.

I meant to ask Larry Seecamp today about that and forgot as I had so many questions about why the .380 may be acting the way it was. You can get this man anytime you call. He answers his cell phone on the 1st or 2nd ring. Excellent.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on June 01, 2010, 09:39:15 PM: It is the same exact round/ammo. 50 round boxes are called Tactical since they are marketed to LE.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 01, 2010, 10:12:05 PM: Well, that's sure good to know, however, if you look at the boxes, the picture is different. The Tactical has a sharp point in the middle of the mushroom and the Personal Defense doesn't; or maybe I just can't see it on the Personal Defense box.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on June 01, 2010, 10:20:40 PM: Yes it does, you just cannot see it in the picture. The point is there to make sure denim or other material does not clog the HP and stop expansion at impact.

PS: I have both and they are the exact same ;D

The boxes are different for 9mm gold dots too when you buy 20 or 50 round boxes. They look different and some will even say LE. It is just a marketing strategy...
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 01, 2010, 10:26:20 PM: Whew! I feel better. Now I know which one to order. You got any ideas why this .380 is not feeding on the last round?

How's yours doing since you got it back?
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on June 01, 2010, 10:39:06 PM: You fired 57 rounds without a problem? Then you started having problems?

Did you just clean the bore when you started having problems? How about the slide etc...? If you did not clean the slide, I bet things got gunked up and slowed the slide speed down causing feeding problems. 57 rounds without cleaning is a lot for the Seecamp. Do you Eezox your magazines too?

I would ask your question on the Seecamp forum. Failure to feed on the last round is something that pops up from time to time. It is often caused by a weak magazine spring and the lack of round underneath to assist in the feeding process.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 01, 2010, 10:51:35 PM: No. I fired 57 rds total and as I said the first mag fired flawlessly, then every mag thereafter had the failure to feed on the last rd. The bore was cleaned after each mag and the slide, internals and all were cleaned with WD-40 after each mag. I didn't bring the Eezox with me to Ga.

The insides and everything was Eezoxed soon as I got it. Didn't seem to help.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on June 01, 2010, 10:59:06 PM: Ahhh, now I understand ;) I looked over some Seecamp threads and recommended fixes have been new magazine springs, to make sure the magazine springs are installed correctly, and to make sure the lip of your magazines are machined properly. Looks like the problem is easily fixed once you narrow down the reason.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 01, 2010, 11:14:38 PM: This gun was suppossidly fired only 10 rds. So......just don't understand, why it would have weak mag springs as each mag did the same, unless it came with weak springs. I guess that is a possibility.

Thanks for looking up the reasons. Gives some food for thought.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on June 02, 2010, 08:12:08 AM: Just a side not here that we should keep the rounds per session without a cool down period to fifty.This is mostly for the LWS 380, heat is the enemy.

Sometimes, as stated above, the magazine spring is the culprit for last round FTF. You would have to take your magazine apart and examine the orientation of the spring. It should appear backward from any other manufacture's orientation.
Reassembling the LWS 380 magazine is less tricky than reassembling the LWS 32 magazine.
Here is a video on reassembling the LWS 32 magazine, it is the same process for the LWS 380 only there is no spacer to contend with.
http://www.fototime.com/3686F5DB85231F8/conv.wmv
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 02, 2010, 09:05:47 AM: chameleon. The .380 had a cool down period between each mag as the gun was cleaned, bore, slide, and relubed lightly and then mag reloaded; second mag was also tried 3 times with same result with the addition of 2 failures to extract.

It does seem like the mag springs are the cause as CCW has pointed out as well. Thanks for the info and link.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Brenden on June 02, 2010, 02:28:44 PM: The mag springs can be a cause of the problems,"most" semi "problems" lead back to the magazines..

I just haven't heard of many with the Seecamp .380 though.

I personally would send it back to Larry,guarantee he will take care of it for you..

Good luck on the feed probs..
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 02, 2010, 03:00:22 PM: Thanks, Brenden. I've got something I'm going to try in reference to the mags before I send it back to Larry. Hope it works. I'll know in a little bit.

Well, didn't work. Tried a brand new mag right out of the box. Fired two mags, cleaned gun after each mag and got the same results; failure to feed on last rd; still using the Aguila as that's all I have for now.

So now it doesn't seem like a spring problem. This mag was from a Seecamp .380 NIB recently bought and from recent production.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: deercop on June 02, 2010, 04:51:54 PM: IIRC, Larry at one time said that the magazine capacity in that size gun is a compromise. A designer must choose spring weights that either favor the first or last round in the magazine, he chose to favor the first rounds feeding and the last round "maybe" feeding. Also, I recall him mentioning that he could reduce the capacity by one round and guarantee all rounds feed, but he elected to have the last round "maybe" feed instead of being eliminated.

http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1214194364/2#2

http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1260859344/17#17
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 02, 2010, 05:28:35 PM: deercop. Thanks for the links. I have two more things to try and that's the Silvertips and the Hydra-Shoks. Don't know how that would relate to the last rd not feeding. I still don't know why the first mag tried fed all seven rds.

I was a happy camper then. Should have just quit!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on June 02, 2010, 05:55:58 PM: If I had to make a choice I think i would go with the first round feeding option. Hello?
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 02, 2010, 05:58:48 PM: I'm still holding out for getting all seven to feed. If all fails, Larry wants it back.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Brenden on June 02, 2010, 06:11:41 PM: I also remember Larry talking about the last round compromise of feeding or not.

If the gun is meant to feed with the help of the following round helping things along,you may have gotten one that requires this more so.

Sending it back will probably be a foregone conclusion for that problem..

Or if you don't want the hassle,I'll take it off your hands,sight unseen,warts and all!! ;) ;D

Brenden
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 02, 2010, 06:46:51 PM: The first mag fed all seven rds like a champ and semi rapid fire, so I know it's capable of doing it. Larry is the one who suggested sending it back.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 03, 2010, 01:30:46 PM: The Seecamp .380 from Phil will be going back to the factory. Had another discussion with Larry this morning and he said send it back. So, next week, off it goes.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: deercop on June 03, 2010, 08:32:04 PM: If you have time to try something before sending it back, try scrubbing the heck out of the chamber area. The Seecamp has a "rough" chamber, that the brass expands into when fired, in order to slow down the slide in recoil (it is blowback operated, after all). If brass and carbon are allowed to build up (which can happen in relatively few rounds), these recesses cannot slow down the slide speed enough for proper function. I have had it happen with my 380 (after 50-75 rounds or so) and with my 32 (after several hundred rounds), during which time I thought I had cleaned the chamber well enough.

Also, use Silvertips, as they have a brass case, not nickel plated (I don't know if that matters, but it seems like it would, and Silvertips work better in mine).
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on June 03, 2010, 09:02:49 PM: I agree with the chamber polishing; other small guns of mine, not Seecamps, have functioned much better after a smoothing of the chamber.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on June 03, 2010, 09:07:45 PM: Larry said he fixed my .380 Hydra Shok feeding problem by polishing the chamber ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: deercop on June 03, 2010, 09:11:12 PM: The Seecamp 32 and 380 pistols require a rough chamber, by design. There are grooves/gouges intentionally cut into the chamber, to allow the brass (when fired) to expand into, thereby slowing the slide down. A buildup of brass and/or carbon can cause that to not work as designed, increasing slide speed, and increasing the risk of malfunctions.

The last round in the magazine is particularly at risk, as not only is there less pressure (from the mag spring/rounds) on the underside of the slide (which would slow it down), but the mag spring is at its weakest on the last round, and might not get that round into proper position in time.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on June 03, 2010, 09:11:36 PM: Which begs the question on a high dollar, high demand gun like the Seecamp, why didn't they do that in the first place and save everyone the aggravation?
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on June 03, 2010, 09:15:00 PM: deercop, you answered my question about the same time I posted it; thanks.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 03, 2010, 10:24:07 PM: Started to shoot a mag yesterday and fired the first rd and it jammed locking the hammer back. The hammer stayed locked back. Larry seemed to know exactly what was wrong and said, send it back, when I talked to him first thing this morning.

deercop. Thanks for the advice on scrubbing the chamber area. I'll sure do that in future cleanings.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 04, 2010, 12:03:33 AM: Quote
Larry said he fixed my .380 Hydra Shok feeding problem by polishing the chamber ;D

Hope he does that to mine, after he fixes the hammer! :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on June 11, 2010, 05:18:40 PM: Quote
Which begs the question on a high dollar, high demand gun like the Seecamp, why didn't they do that in the first place and save everyone the aggravation?

tracker:

Respectfully I don't think that many LWS380's have such problems.

My LWS380 came reliable and self defense accurate right out of the box. I've had it for about a year now.

If you care to peruse the www.seecamp.com forum on the sub-section dedicated to the LWS380 I don't think using the "search" function for LWS380 "problems" will get you many hits.

I will say that up to this point in my almost 68 years or life I've yet to find ANY firearms manufacturer who has a 100% reputation for "fault free" products, and that includes the fine little pocket rockets made by Larry Seecamp.

I don't care who makes it, or how much it costs.. IF a human is involved in the manufacture of whatever "it" is, then sooner or later one or more will be less than perfect.

As are humans..

Just personal opinion, no offense.

Best Wishes,

Jesse
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 11, 2010, 06:39:22 PM: Jesse. I agree. I don't know what happened to my .380. Larry knew what the problem was immediately. That doesn't change my opinion of the Seecamp at all. Stuff just happens. I have a .32 Seecamp and love it.

When I get the .380 back it will be just like new, so I'm not worried a bit.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on June 11, 2010, 09:31:40 PM: I do not believe that every Seecamp chamber needs more polishing then it gets from the factory. Something on that particular peace burred the chamber.
You wouldn't want to take off too much metal.
One of the areas to keep a watchful eye out is the chamber, and keep it cleaned and lightly lubricated.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 11, 2010, 09:37:31 PM: I did that with each mag fired, and still had the failure to feed on last rd. Then, the awful thing happened with the hammer.

Oh! Don't forget, with the first mag, all 7 rds fired, semi-rapid fire.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 14, 2010, 11:50:28 AM: The Phil Seecamp .380 is now on it's journey back to see Larry. Will be there 10:30 in the morning. I'm not in any hurry, but will be glad when it returns.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on July 07, 2010, 07:47:30 AM: Quote
The Phil Seecamp .380 is now on it's journey back to see Larry. Will be there 10:30 in the morning. I'm not in any hurry, but will be glad when it returns.

Nothing back from Seecamp? Just curious.
I'm sure it will be 100 percent when it comes back.
Let us know.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 07, 2010, 07:59:28 AM: Not yet. Probably will still be awhile. Mailed the Seecamp on 6/14, they received it on 6/15; I'm thinking 6 to 8 weeks. Definitely will provide an update when it returns.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on July 07, 2010, 03:21:29 PM: That seems like a long time for a company with small production numbers, I have sent guns to S&W, Colt and Ruger and had them back sooner than that.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 07, 2010, 03:44:52 PM: Quote
That seems like a long time for a company with small production numbers, I have sent guns to S&W, Colt and Ruger and had them back sooner than that.

John

I'm just guessing. Maybe it will be sooner. That would be nice. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on July 07, 2010, 06:44:36 PM: Be sure to follow up. Larry forgot he had fixed the one I sent in and it sat for 3-4 extra weeks. The person I bought it from ended up buying it back.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on July 07, 2010, 07:06:54 PM: That sounds like customer service, shop, Q/A, and shipping and receiving all wrapped up in one person.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on July 07, 2010, 07:21:44 PM: Quote
That sounds like customer service, shop, Q/A, and shipping and receiving all wrapped up in one person.

tracker:

Respectfully, you are close, but no "weo"..

The Seecamp Company IS pretty much a "one man" business, or more precisely a "one man", "one first sgt" setup, (the 1st Sgt. being the office manager, Sandi).

The fact that each Seecamp pistol is massaged at the later stages of production takes a lot of Larry's time, and he's only one man.. He does have others working for him, but he's the honcho, boss, whatever, and by his personal nature he's a "hands on" kinda guy.

Add to the fact that there is a tremendous demand for his product, in fact a back log for both the 32's and 380's (more so with the 380's) he pretty much has a full plate.

Despite all this I don't think you'll find very many unhappy Seecamp pistol owners.. I didn't say "NO unhappy Seecamp owners" because there will always be a few folks who simply cannot be made happy, about anything.

I honestly believe as far as customer satisfaction goes, if you could check it out I believe Larry Seecamp would have a very, very good rating.

I know you can call the President of the Seecamp Company almost anytime on his cell phone if you are having a problem with a Seecamp pistol and Larry will be available to listen to your woes.

Nothing made by man is ever gonna be perfect, and that will hold true with the fine Seecamp pistol.. But I honestly believe that no matter what problem you have with one of his pistols, Larry WILL be there for you.

If he's not "there" for you fast enough it's not because he's off fishing, or watching the new shows at Vegas I guarantee you that.

No offense to you, I'm a dedicated Seecamp "homer" so I'm not an unbiased person on this subject.

I will say my wife and I have 3 Seecamp pistols between us, and every one has been perfect from the get-go..

Best Wishes,

Jesse

;)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8585_02.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 07, 2010, 07:24:00 PM: Quote
Be sure to follow up. Larry forgot he had fixed the one I sent in and it sat for 3-4 extra weeks. The person I bought it from ended up buying it back.

WOW! I never would have thought that. I'll be sure and do the follow up. Thanks.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on July 07, 2010, 07:39:48 PM: Jesse,
Thanks for your take on it. Do you have a guesstimate as to how many Seecamps of each caliber have been produced?
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 07, 2010, 07:42:12 PM: Jesse. Thanks for that. I'm a happy Seecamp owner as well. Even though the .380 had some kind of a problem, doesn't phase my likes for the Seecamp.

I have a .32 Seecamp, three Seecamp .380's, two which are new in the box and the one I got from Phil, supposedly only had fired 10 rds when I bought it; so my likes for the little gun shows.

I have called Larry three times now and got him everytime on about the first or second ring. He always listens to what I have to say and always wants to help anyway he can.

The first time was about ammo, the second about failure to feed on last rd, and the third about the hammer locking up. Larry had said send it back on the second call.

Thanks again for the Seecamp comments. I am a satisfied customer and feel sure the Phil .380 will return as new.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on July 07, 2010, 08:30:11 PM: Quote
Jesse,
Thanks for your take on it. Do you have a guesstimate as to how many Seecamps of each caliber have been produced?

tracker:

Don't have a clue, but betcha' if you'll give Sandi a call at: 1-203-877-7926 she'll have the correct answer for you.
:)

Best Wishes,

Jesse

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_0145_01.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on July 07, 2010, 08:36:55 PM: Maybe I'll do that and glad to hear I am not a weo. I think that is similar to what my English friend calls a "Wanker" but maybe more of an instant expert through wikipedia. In any case a weo is not a complimentary designation. It's amazing what can be picked up on this forum; now I have a new zinger in my verbal arsenal.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on July 07, 2010, 09:14:28 PM: Quote
Maybe I'll do that and glad to hear I am not a weo. I think that is similar to what my English friend calls a "Wanker" but maybe more of an instant expert through wikipedia. In any case a weo is not a complimentary designation.

tracker:

Actually, I didn't imply YOU are a "weo", I said, "close but no weo"..

Many years ago there was a commercial (I have long since forgotten the details) where the punch, or "catch" phrase was "close but no weo", as in "close but no cigar"...

My attempt at wit was in that vein where I was implying "close but no cigar"... My apology to you if you misunderstood, I meant no offense.

I tried to "google" the phrase, but couldn't get a good answer, so I guess at almost three score and ten I've apparently outlived everyone who ever saw the commercial other than myself?

I did find out that "gwi yeo WEO" is Korean for cute, but I was making no comments on your personal appearance as we have never met.
;)

So, again, no offense intended with my "close but no weo" comment.

Best Wishes,

jesse
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on July 07, 2010, 09:20:20 PM: Jesse,
Absolutely none taken, thank you. I found out that it is "wikipedia executive officer" and loved it. Your implication of close but no cigar came through loud and clear.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 07, 2010, 09:35:03 PM: Quote

Best Wishes,

Jesse

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_0145_01.jpg)

And Jesse. Great photos of the Seecamps and this one. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on July 07, 2010, 09:40:23 PM: Quote

And Jesse. Great photos of the Seecamps and this one. :)

kj:

Thanks..

Here's one of my brides LWS32.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_6900.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 07, 2010, 09:44:36 PM: Excellent, Jesse, excellent!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on July 10, 2010, 12:03:48 PM: Quote
Excellent, Jesse, excellent!

kj:

Now let me show you a photo of the pistol my wife "prefers" to use as her cc choice most of the time.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1972.jpg)

And, truth be told, MY daily mousegun cc choice is the last one on the right... It's simply SOOOO much easier to shoot, painlessly, and accurately, than my beloved LSW380...

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1970.jpg)

The one in the middle of the above photo is just our "spare", but JoAnn has started using it for her "car gun". She was always afraid someone might break in the car and steal her Seecamp and she just didn't want to chance it.

If someone steals the LCP it's only $275.00 to replace it. ;D

I'll be honest with you, I've come to the conclusion (and I'm a gun "name brand" snob) that the excellent little Ruger LCP is a very, very good little cc pistol.

All three of our LCP's have been perfect right out of the box, easy to shoot (read: pain free) and all three combined (not counting the CT Laser on mine) cost less than my LSW380.

Not knocking Seecamps, we love 'em.. But I'd be less than honest if I said shooting the LWS380 was pleasant, or easy on the trigger finger.

JoAnn can shoot her LWS32 just fine, but she can shoot her 380 cal. LCP "finer", and more accurately (And, the 380 makes an ever so much larger hole going in than a 32cal....).. Go figure...

Just sayin'.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

P.S. But JoAnn still LOVES her Seecamp...

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1297.jpg) ;) ;)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 10, 2010, 12:28:13 PM: Jesse. More fine photos. I like the Ruger LCP and have one NIB, just never have taken the time to fire. That one of your wife's with the scroll work is outstanding.

I'm with you on the Seecamps; love 'em too. The recoil on the .380 Seecamp doesn't bother me, as I'm used to shooting the .454 Alaskan & .454 Freedom Arms both in .300 gr. and usually a box of 50 a time in each.

Recently shot 57 rds in the Seecamp .380 without feeling any hand fatigue, however the gun did have some problems, and finally locked the hammer back as has been noted in this thread.

Again, outstanding photos of all your Seecamps and LCP's. Thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on July 10, 2010, 02:14:14 PM: Quote
Jesse. More fine photos. I like the Ruger LCP and have one NIB, just never have taken the time to fire. That one of your wife's with the scroll work is outstanding.
I'm with you on the Seecamps; love 'em too. The recoil on the .380 Seecamp doesn't bother me, !

kj:

Honestly, shooting the LWS380 w/HydraShoks DOES bother me, but I'm an old "woose", who in my younger years was just a "younger woose"..

IMO the Seecamp trumps all other mouseguns (that I'm familiar with) in basically 2 areas.. 1. Tiny Size. 2. Quality of Construction..

Some of my jeans/trousers have smaller back pockets, and I simply cannot cc the LCP while I CAN still cc the LWS380.. So, there are times when it's the Seecamp or nuttin'.. IF the pants I'm wearing willl allow for concealment of the Crimson Trace equipped LCP logic tells me THAT's the gun to have in my back pocket.

I would never say bad things about the Seecamp, because we have 3, love 'em all, and I like to consider myself a "casual" friend (or acquintance) of Larry.. But I believe Larry would be the first to tell you that the Seecamp, by nature of it's tiny, tiny size, and no sights, NO matter how much we love 'em, simply cannot be compared to the LCP, especially when it's equipped with the CT Laser IN THE AREAS of practical accuracy, or pain free shooting comfort...

Or, it's like comparing "apples to oranges" and the LCP "orange" has the advantage of a laser sight too..

The Seecamp is great, but surprisingly I've found the LCP to be pretty darn great too...

And while a laser on your cc choice might not help, it WON'T hurt...

I've said many times, that IMHO, in a close up, quick confrontation, sights on ANY self defense weapon would basically be useless anyway, as you would be watching the threat, not looking for a good sight picture.. And in this situation the LCP is no better than the Seecamp, and no worse. It's the type situation the tiny Seecamp was designed for, and in a "point and pull" situation it does the job very well.

But I have been amazed in the little LCP because the sucker is just soooo accurate (with or without the CT), and it's like the virtual commercial for the Timex watch... It just "keeps on ticking", and the purchase price is so low.

I keep thinking about buying another one..

For the LCP you have in the box, IF you have the interest, from my personal experience, the addition of the Ruger fingertip mag extension, and the Crimson Trace Laser (@$164 or so) really make the little plastic gun a very, very good cc choice in a mousegun of 380cal.

I only shoot from THREE yards when I'm practicing with any of my mouseguns.. Other folks feel the need to shoot further out, but in a life and death situation I'm thinking 9 feet, more or less, is pretty much decision time..

So in my declining years, I've turned into a 9MM HK P2000sk kinda guy for my larger caliber cc choice, and I have a choice of either my beloved LWS380, or the CT equipped LCP to keep the left cheek butt company when I'm out and about.

Sorry to ramble, but it's what I do.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

P.S. In 2 photos below, of which most folks could care less, is of an "Exact Detail" 1/18 model 1967 Firebird 326 HO. An identical replica of the first new car I ever bought and what I was driving when I met my darlin' JoAnn, and the one shown in the other photo w/JoAnn and myself.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1981.jpg)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2001.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 10, 2010, 05:25:31 PM: WOW! Jesse, your taste in guns and cars are similar to my own. I had a '77 Trans Am bought new, and recently sold it; really liked that car.

I do have the finger extension mag for the LCP as you have pictured. I do like it; adds feel to the gun. I do get it out once in awhile and look at it as I do others.

Great model of your first car, the '67 Firebird 326 H.O., and picture of you and your wife with the original car; and look in the back ground, a Volkswagen Bettle; had two of those.

Bringing back memories. Thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on July 10, 2010, 05:36:07 PM: Jessie,
   I agree the LCP is a fine little 380, I had on that had to be returned for the recall work, I never had a problem with it but wanted it brought up to the latest revision.
  I did sell mine after purchasing a Kahr P-380, it is an excellent
pocket pistol in the 380 category. Pleasant to shoot and very accurate and I added night sights to mine.
  My first car was similar to yours, a 1968 SS 350 Camaro, Hurst four speed and positraction, red with a black vinyl top.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on July 10, 2010, 07:48:00 PM: Laserlips - love the engraving on your LCP!

And you were not rambling, I appreciate hearing your veiws and opinions comparing the LCP to the LWS.

And guys, My second car was a '68 SS 396 Camaro in 1972.

Looks like we all had more in common than we thought.

Reinz
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 10, 2010, 07:54:59 PM: Ahh, the Firebird, Camaro, and Trans Am; and my all time favorite car, the '57 Chevy, 2 dr. hardtop, Belair, fuel injected, black; not too many of those were made; those were the days.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on July 10, 2010, 08:03:17 PM: Those were the days - when you could tell the cars from each other, which were which and actually work on them yourself without a degree in electrical engineering.

Reinz
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 10, 2010, 08:09:26 PM: You know, you're right! Now, pop the hood, and all you see is this huge cover, covering the motor; used to be able to see the two fours, or the three two's, or even the fuel injection unit; but not any more.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on July 10, 2010, 08:39:19 PM: Now you have to have a $20k diagnostic computer to hook up to your engine before you even get the wrenches out.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 10, 2010, 08:43:52 PM: I still like to see the motor; not this plastic gismo covering it up. Even if I can't work on it, I want to see the motor. :(
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on July 10, 2010, 08:53:17 PM: Amen brother.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: TX_Silver on July 13, 2010, 11:02:09 PM: Quote
Be sure to follow up. Larry forgot he had fixed the one I sent in and it sat for 3-4 extra weeks. The person I bought it from ended up buying it back.

Wow, looking over here at the Rohrbaugh stuff and came across this thread.

The guy that bought it back would be me. Unfortunate what happened, but I think there was a reason (in the grand scheme of things).

The sale and buyback has made me realize that I need to keep it. I actually missed carrying it while it was gone.

I also learned that I need to inspect what I buy a little better myself. :-/

And on another note, FloridaCCW was great to work with through the whole process.

Quote
...1967 Firebird 326 HO.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1981.jpg)

Oh, and I love the Firebird (the one in the pic a little more than the little one ;D ).

TX
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 13, 2010, 11:28:42 PM: TX. Welcome to the Forum. Love the Seecamps for sure. Now get yourself an R9. You'll like it too!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on July 13, 2010, 11:46:20 PM: TX,
Welcome to the group from NC.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: TX_Silver on July 14, 2010, 12:36:08 AM: Thanks for the welcome. The R9 is on my short list.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 14, 2010, 09:26:36 AM: Glad it's on your list. Post often.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Brenden on July 14, 2010, 09:32:51 AM: TX_Silver,
Welcome to the forum...
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on July 14, 2010, 05:01:06 PM: TX_Silver was great to work with and I highly recommend.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Richard S on July 14, 2010, 07:32:14 PM: Welcome TX. If your handle stands for Texas, you're in good company around here. 8)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: TX_Silver on July 14, 2010, 07:51:43 PM: TX would be Texas. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: tracker on July 14, 2010, 07:59:54 PM: That would be good, not to slight any of the rest of our finest states with CHP.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on July 15, 2010, 10:40:43 AM: May I welcome you as well TX, from another Texan.

Reinz
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 22, 2010, 11:17:05 AM: The Seecamp .380 is now repaired and ready to come home. The problem was the hammer strut pin; Seecamp is using a different type of pin now as mine is a lower serial no.

It will be some time before I can have it shipped though, as we're in Ga. and don't want to have it shipped here.

Definitely glad it is fixed and look forward to firing the little jewel.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on July 22, 2010, 03:14:10 PM: kj, Sounds like good news. Did you go to GA to escape the heat here? ;D

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 22, 2010, 03:20:31 PM: My gracious, if I did, I really messed up. It's 98 here right now! :D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on July 22, 2010, 03:23:49 PM: kj you must be in the shade! It's 101 down the street here.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 22, 2010, 03:27:27 PM: Corey. You are right. I'm in the shade; under a big ole tree! One of those huge Ga. Pecan trees!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Richard S on July 22, 2010, 03:29:43 PM: Gentlemen, I feel your pain. However, it's a balmy 73 degrees at Critter Creek in the Great Smoky Mountains of East Tennessee, with a cooling shower predicted. And I notice that the sun has passed the yardarm. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 22, 2010, 03:35:10 PM: Sounds good Richard. I'm going to go near the Falls, High Falls; should be a little cooler there; however, probably not much.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on July 22, 2010, 06:18:56 PM: Glad your Baby is fixed KJ, hope you can get it back soon.

Meanwhile, stay cool. 8)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: P7Enigma on July 22, 2010, 07:37:09 PM: Quote
Sounds good Richard. I'm going to go near the Falls, High Falls; should be a little cooler there; however, probably not much.

Thats a nice place, usually stop there and eat some sandwiches when headed to TN from Florida...

and speaking of heat...I saw a squirrel burst into flames running across the yard a while ago..
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 22, 2010, 09:02:30 PM: It was hot enough here today to do just that. Didn't see any, though. Glad you like High Falls.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on July 22, 2010, 10:49:15 PM: Quote
Glad your Baby is fixed KJ, hope you can get it back soon.

Meanwhile, stay cool. 8)

Thanks, Reinz. I did talk to Larry and he said the Seecamp .380 now functions as it should. They installed new grips, which he says is automatic; his words.

Sounds like it will be in top notch shape when it comes home.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on August 09, 2010, 02:37:51 PM: Ahhh! The Seecamp .380 ships tomorrow, all repaired, and will deliver Wednesday; has been repaired for a couple weeks now, just waiting for me to tell them when to ship.

Happy days are here!

Update: The .380 did arrive on Wednesday, 8/11/10, with new grips, new springs, and three extra recoil springs; all is well.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on August 26, 2010, 10:40:12 PM: The Trifecta.

(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/Seecamp/Guns009.jpg)

The Seecamp .380 in it's Del Fatti Holster.

(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/Seecamp/Guns008.jpg)

The Del Fatti alone.

(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/Seecamp/Guns006.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on August 26, 2010, 11:09:03 PM: Nice stuff Ken!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on August 26, 2010, 11:52:04 PM: Now for the Rohrbaugh Trifecta R9 - R380 & R45 ;D

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on August 27, 2010, 07:29:47 AM: Will be working on that! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on August 27, 2010, 07:39:49 AM: Quote
Nice stuff Ken!

Thanks, Corey. Had these pictures taken for a little while as you can see, however, just got around to posting 'em.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on August 27, 2010, 11:54:54 AM: Nice set indeed!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on August 27, 2010, 08:37:40 PM: Thanks, CCW. Where have you been? ;D I have seen you signed in a few times. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: IOM on September 04, 2010, 04:30:06 PM: Look what came in the mail today (to my FFL). I ordered this back in April '09. Haven't had a chance to shoot / test her yet. I'm just glad it came in around 17 months, I was expecting closer to 24.

David

(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy229/doct_34/DSC01405.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Richard S on September 04, 2010, 04:45:02 PM: David:

Now that's one fine pocket pistol with an inspired serial number! Christmas in September.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on September 04, 2010, 05:36:35 PM: David. Congrats on the custom serial no. Seecamp .380; very unique. Enjoy!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Fun_with_Guns on September 11, 2010, 12:59:35 AM: Ok, here's an opinion:

I've had a Seecamp 32 for 15 years (honest) but bought an R9 5 years ago and rarely carried the Seecamp (9mm vs. 32).

Three years ago, a close personal friend was involved with Larry's operation in CT. I had one made in 380 for me with my last name as the serial #, substituting a "1" for the "L" in my name. Larry even signed the magazine with an engraver the day I picked it up.

Cool right until I fired it! Very hard on the hand, I'm no baby but 2 clips is punishing in 380. Save your money and stick with the R9 or buy a LWS 32 and practice with it. I can easily shoot 2 or 3 clips out of my R9 (accurately too).

This isn't a knock on the LWS 380 but you should shoot one before waiting to buy it.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on September 11, 2010, 01:21:25 AM: I had one of the 380 Seecamps for a short time and fired 14rds. through it, I sold it to fund another project. I don't think the recoil was unbearable but it didn't fall into the fun category, and it's still a 380.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on September 11, 2010, 06:54:30 AM: Jim. I have three Seecamp .380's, two NIB and one bought with what the previous owner said had only been fired 10 rds. I shot that one 57 rds the first day but encountered failure to feed on last rd with every mag except the first, however, did not experience any recoil problems. That .380 had to go back to Larry as the hammer strut pin failed and has since returned.

That being said, I am used to shooting large caliber hand guns, as I have the S & W 500 Mag, 454's, and 44 Mag. The Seecamp .380 was a mouse compared to these.

For those, not used to recoil, a different matter.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on September 11, 2010, 10:38:53 AM: FWIW:

Being a "gun nut" by nature, I'm ALWAYS looking for my next "favorite" firearm....

Generally speaking, the one I bought last is the one I like best, right now..

But in our minds, JoAnn and I place our Seecamps apart from our other firearms.

JoAnn loves her LWS32 (1JOANN)... I love my LWS32 (LAUSDEO2), and LWS380 (LAUSDEO1)... We love 'em, but we DON'T necessarily carry them on a regular basis..

We feel the Seecamps are a step apart from all of our other firearm choices... We enjoy a casual friendship with Larry (didn't say he knew about it), and the special serial numbers are neat. The quality and unique aspects of the Seecamp simply place the tiny, ok very tiny, high quality pistols in a "nitch" of their own, in our household.

Our Seecamps are "heirloom material".. The idea of parting with any of them simply does not compute when we are lusting after some "new" firearm choice.

Recently we have come to appreciate the value offered in the excellent little Ruger LCP..

When you compare the LWS380 to the LCP you find the Seecamp is smaller, and can easily be carried concealed almost anytime, any place. The LCP less so.

But once you get past the special ease of concealment the Seecamp offers, the LCP becomes more attractive...

Here's why.

The LCP is not harsh to shoot... No dramatic recoil, no finger pain... The LWS380 recoil/finger pain is such that you must "really, really" want to shoot it, IF you shoot it.

Or, JoAnn will happily shoot my (or her) LCP, but she makes the sign of the cross if I offer to let her shoot my LWS380, again..

The LCP, or at least "my" LCP offers a Crimson Trace Laser, and excellent external sights (upgrade by Innovative Arms), the front of which is a night sight. Obviously the laser and sights make shooting the LCP more accurately, under normal conditions, a better choice.

So, most of the time we cc our Rugers...

If we lose them, or they are confiscated as evidence after we shoot a booger or two, no great loss. You can walk into almost any reputable gun shop (and many less than reputable I'm sure) and buy another for less than $300.00.

So, if someone asked me for a good recommendation for a 380cal. mousegun for EDC, I'd say the Ruger LCP..

I don't believe the Seecamp pistol, at least in 380cal. is right for everyone...

The Seecamp LWS380 has "warts"... Warts such as harsh recoil, and trigger slap equating into trigger finger pain. The lack of external sights make it, AS DESIGNED, a close up and personal "get off me" gun..

So, I believe a "regular" person would be better served with a Ruger LCP than a Seecamp LWS380..

But I don't believe folks reading this post, on the ROHRBAUGH forum, care too much about the price of admission for the LWS380, we are generally speaking "gun nuts", and exclusivity, desirability, and the reputation of the Seecamp line of pistols (as with the Rohrbaugh) when compared to the competition is why we buy them, and put up with the warts..

For practical purposes the Seecamp LWS380 is absolutely RELIABLE, more than self defense accurate, and that's MY requirement in a tiny concealed carry weapon.

I like my Ruger LCP beause I like guns, and it's a good one.

JoAnn and I LOVE our Seecamps...

Just personal opinion, no offense to anyone..

Jesse

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_0145_01.jpg)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2114.jpg)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1852.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on September 11, 2010, 12:09:53 PM: Jessie,
Very well put . I think you right on about the LWS380s.
I agree on the LCP, I had one of the early ones and had no issues with it a fine 380 carry gun. I sold mine and went with a Kahr P380 which I like a little more than I did the LCP. The major difference between the LCP and the Kahr, price, you can get two LCP for the price of the Kahr.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on September 11, 2010, 12:23:12 PM: The kahr shoots much softer than the LCP and mine is CRAZY accurate for a pocket pistol. 10" ballons at 50 yards are easy one shot kills. I can't do that with my LCP at 25 yards! The LCP is nice, P380 is nicer, but for me a Seecamp or R9 will be in my pocket.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on September 11, 2010, 01:02:11 PM: I carry the Seecamp most of the time, then the R9. Have a Ruger LCP, NIB, even have a "Hidden Holsters" holster for it. The Seecamp wins out most of the time for carry due to just size.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on September 11, 2010, 01:04:51 PM: Quote
The kahr shoots much softer than the LCP and mine is CRAZY accurate for a pocket pistol. 10" ballons at 50 yards are easy one shot kills. I can't do that with my LCP at 25 yards! The LCP is nice, P380 is nicer, but for me a Seecamp or R9 will be in my pocket.

cc:

Well, I'm almost 68 years old, with declining vision and there is simply no such distance as 25 yards, much less 50.. ;)

My personal self defense distance with my favorite 9MM HK P2000sk is 7 yards, and with my Seecamp or LCP it's only 3...

But, enjoying hitting a target wayyy off is not something I'm unfamiliar with, just unfamiliar with the past decade or so...

Enjoy your vision and steady hand while you have 'em.... Time has a way of screwing with both..

Best Wishes,

jesse
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Brenden on September 11, 2010, 04:48:22 PM: Jesse,
Good to see you here!!

If you are 68 with declining vision,congrats-I am 50ish and with my meds,the vision seems to be different everyday!! ;)

Belly gun is an apt name I would think!!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on September 11, 2010, 05:00:43 PM: Quote
Jesse,
Good to see you here!!

Hi Brenden,

Thanks..

I forgot to say in my earlier ramblin' that, for me personally, I found the addition of JeffsSig's fingertip magazine extension a real help in reducing the drama associated with firing the LWS380.

I would recommend anyone who carries the LWS380, and who has not tried Jeff's top quality (and relatively expensive) fingertip extension give one a try...

For me it was money well spent..

Best Wishes,

Jesse :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on September 11, 2010, 06:13:20 PM: Quote

cc:

Well, I'm almost 68 years old, with declining vision and there is simply no such distance as 25 yards, much less 50.. ;)

My personal self defense distance with my favorite 9MM HK P2000sk is 7 yards, and with my Seecamp or LCP it's only 3...

But, enjoying hitting a target wayyy off is not something I'm unfamiliar with, just unfamiliar with the past decade or so...

Enjoy your vision and steady hand while you have 'em.... Time has a way of screwing with both..

Best Wishes,

jesse

Well spoken, Jesse. Definitely have to count our blessings!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Fx3 on November 16, 2010, 10:15:23 AM: When all of you have R9's, why is there so much interest in having and carrying a 380? It seems they are less comfortable to shoot and less effective defensively. Is it the lighter weight? or just liking to be familiar with different calibers? the laser on the S&W BG? the workmanship on the Seecamp .380? What?

I have just gotten my first R9s and chose it for the 9mm capability. Am I missing something in regards to the 380s?
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on November 16, 2010, 10:32:10 AM: For me, it's just liking the Seecamps for what they are. The recoil of the Seecamp .380 doesn't bother me and I just like it.

I like the Rohrbaughs for what they are. Each have their own fascination and that's the best I can explain it.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on November 16, 2010, 11:28:00 AM: Quote
When all of you have R9's, why is there so much interest in having and carrying a 380? It seems they are less comfortable to shoot and less effective defensively. Is it the lighter weight? or just liking to be familiar with different calibers? the laser on the S&W BG? the workmanship on the Seecamp .380? What?

I have just gotten my first R9s and chose it for the 9mm capability. Am I missing something in regards to the 380s?

I don't think your missing anything on the 380 Seecamp, they are less effective than a 9mm and less comfortable to shoot. The Seecamp 380 is super small and under certain circumstances could be carried when the R9 is too large. I carry my Kahr P380 when I need something lighter and thinner. Also I think many R9 owners had a Seecamp before they got there pup.
The R9 is the hands down winner as the most effective and concealable pocket pistol to be had.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on November 16, 2010, 11:50:03 AM: Here again, I think you have to like the Seecamps for what they are. Understandably, the Rohrbaugh has the 9mm and you have to like that, for sure.

The Seecamp has it's own flare and not everyone is going to want one, and certainly everyone can't handle the recoil; others just don't like it because it's a .380. I like it because it's a Seecamp, nothing more.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Fx3 on November 16, 2010, 11:58:29 AM: Thanks for the insight. I am reassured I made a good decision getting the R9s. For the time being, the 380s will remain a curiosity to me. I'll keep in mind, size and weight as I carry the R9s and see if there are situations a smaller or lighter pistol would have an advantage.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on November 16, 2010, 12:07:29 PM: You definitely can't go wrong with the Rohrbaugh. I got the R9 and the Seecamp fairly close to each other; the Seecamp .32 being the first of the Seecamps, then added the Seecamp .380s and the Seecamp .25. They just grow on you, so to speak, and just like the Rohrbaughs; a few of us have to have more than one.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on December 01, 2010, 08:56:45 PM: Looks like CF grips may be on the way.

http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291251202/8#8
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on December 01, 2010, 09:52:33 PM: Interesting!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on December 07, 2010, 08:20:07 AM: The grips look very nice. Patterning of CF looks great too.
http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291251202/25#25
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on December 07, 2010, 09:18:03 AM: A member of the Seecamp Forum said it well; downright purty!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on December 21, 2010, 10:15:16 PM: Great video!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PlWnppZpb8
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on December 21, 2010, 10:46:47 PM: CCW. You called it right. A great video. Thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on December 21, 2010, 10:58:49 PM: The 7:14 mark is great ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on December 21, 2010, 11:11:54 PM: Quote
The 7:14 mark is great ;D

Yes, looks like fun. ;D ;D I liked the LWS380 I had but liked something else more. ;D I will probably get another at some point in time.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on December 22, 2010, 09:18:27 AM: John. I knew it. You'll get another. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on December 22, 2010, 09:52:59 AM: Quote
The 7:14 mark is great ;D

Probably hurt him! ;D I have never had that probelm, though, not even shooting the 57 rds that one day. :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: FloridaCCW on December 22, 2010, 08:24:53 PM: I just get a little sore on the webbing between my thumb and pointer finger. :D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on January 08, 2011, 03:55:23 PM: My Seecamp 380 with it's new big brother look-a-like grips.

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Grips/a.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on January 08, 2011, 04:04:46 PM: Excellent! Excellent! Excellent! :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on January 08, 2011, 04:55:06 PM: I thought so too.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on January 08, 2011, 05:49:18 PM: Now, where'd you get those? :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on January 09, 2011, 01:44:53 PM: http://www.designergrips.com/
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on January 09, 2011, 01:52:24 PM: Corey. Thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on January 09, 2011, 06:14:51 PM: You bet!

Here is a link to the Seecamp forum discussion and other pictures of his grips.

http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291251202
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on January 09, 2011, 06:23:29 PM: The seller is the same guy who was making the CF grips Curt was selling for the pups, his name is Paul.

John
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on January 09, 2011, 06:54:02 PM: I thought that pattern looked familiar.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on February 16, 2011, 04:18:53 PM: I picked up this custom Seecamp 380 today and it's fantastic. It has had the front and back straps stippeled along with a custom made mini mag extention. It was done VERY well. I took it out back and shot a mag thru it. MAN I forgot how the 380 pops, it's a hoss. I think I will continue to carry my old Seecamp 32. ;D I may even end up trading it or selling it.

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/LS1995/DSC_1476.jpg)

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/LS1995/DSC_1465.jpg)

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/LS1995/DSC_1454.jpg)

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/LS1995/DSC_1452.jpg)

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/LS1995/DSC_1479.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on February 16, 2011, 04:36:48 PM: Corey! Very nice! :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Z on February 16, 2011, 07:13:58 PM: Very nice indeed. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on February 16, 2011, 07:48:58 PM: Thanks! 8)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on February 17, 2011, 06:58:15 AM: Very nice Corey, who may have done the work on it?

Why fer would you go and trade it? It looks like a keeper to me.
Didn't the magazine extension help with the recoil?
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on February 17, 2011, 05:02:25 PM: Thanks chameleon,

The previous owner had it done or may have even done the work himself. Whomever did it did a great job. I might would trade it for a stealth Rohrbaugh 380 or Farmingdale R9. It does look like a keeper and that may end up happening. If I was not so attached to that black Seecamp 32 that I checkered and coated I would put this one in my pocket BUT I just can't move o'l Blackey out of the pocket for some reason. It's sorta weird being emotionally attached to it but I am. I guess it's because I did the work myself. Yes the little mag extension does help, and I even have a couple of the longer mag extensions Jeff makes, but.....

If I end up keeping it I promise it won't hurt my feelings. 8)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: ccoorreeyy on February 26, 2011, 06:01:50 PM: Update:

I traded ol'blacky to my wife for her stock Seecamp 32! Now I can carry the 380 and keep ol'blacky in the family too. I put a set of blue cf grips on the 380 and MAN that joker looks cool now!

I took both the 380 and the 32 out back today and shot a couple mags through each. I must have been a little wimpy the other day when I shot the 380 because today it was not that bad. Really there was not much of a recoil difference between the 32 and 380.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on February 26, 2011, 07:57:44 PM: Ya just gotta love those Seecamps! Glad ol'blacky gets to stay. Hope the wife's numbness has improved.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: dano on March 17, 2011, 02:14:27 PM: Got mine in today. I like it a lot! ;D
(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo265/LexKing_photos/Guns/Seecamp/LWS380-1R.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on March 17, 2011, 02:59:04 PM: Congrats, Danny. Looks really nice. Now time to enjoy! :)

(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/congrats-1.gif)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: coyote on March 17, 2011, 04:05:30 PM: sure wish my 32 was a 380... :P

the flashlight is a custom Millermods rated at 130 lumens and the knife is a William Henry T09CF. i made the leather.

ps- i realize that "spare mags" for the seecamp is silly, but i like how they look in that kit...

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f173/oregoncoyote/CityKitpartswebversion.jpg)

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f173/oregoncoyote/CityKitinPouchwebversion.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Z on March 17, 2011, 05:22:46 PM: Nice looking Seecamp Dano. :D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: dano on March 17, 2011, 07:09:50 PM: Thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on March 17, 2011, 09:28:16 PM: Dan, really from the bottom of my heart, congratulations.
It does make my heart happy to see you with that LWS 380.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: dano on March 17, 2011, 09:30:27 PM: Thanks Art! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on March 17, 2011, 09:31:55 PM: Coyote, you have some unique stuff there. I have a little ARC-P light, but no 130 lumens, in fact my light is here next to me.
I also have an LWS 380 spare magazine unloaded in a MECO magazine pouch, and I don't think it silly to have or carry a spare Seecamp magazine, I like it. How in the world can you beat a William Henry knife?All this together in one pouch? How cool is that.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: coyote on March 18, 2011, 11:02:48 AM: thnx chameleon.

yeah, i'm a flashaholic and long time member of CPF. i've owned dozens of arcs and a number of customized versions. the one shown is the best of the best, made a couple years ago by Eric Miller who no longer mods lights. of the hundreds of flashlights i've owned, this one is my very favorite.

and oregon-made William Henrys may be the finest production knives ever. i have a few WH but the old carbon-fiber scaled liner-locks are the ones that make me grin the most.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on March 18, 2011, 09:54:36 PM: Here is my LWS380 & Protch Runt Auto

(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/IMG_0550.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on March 18, 2011, 10:04:53 PM: John. What's this about a Seecamp .380! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on March 18, 2011, 10:34:44 PM: The 32 is gone and replaced with a 380. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on March 19, 2011, 08:43:50 AM: Quote
The 32 is gone and replaced with a 380. ;D

That is a cool move, 32 to 380.

I like the ProTech knife line, I never owned one, but the dealer had many and I can't put them down when a new one comes out. I prefer double action knives over a straight auto.
Protechs have a super strong spring and it will surprise you (as you know) when you hit that button, very snappy like the recoil on an LWS 32.

Very good looking combo.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on March 19, 2011, 08:45:53 AM: This is a very old picture, I still have everything pictured here, but I often referred to this group as my favorite three automatics.

(http://www.fototime.com/E6D3E03E53B93B4/standard.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on March 19, 2011, 09:20:17 AM: Quote
The 32 is gone and replaced with a 380. ;D

Very nice Seecamp .380, John. I knew you'd have to have another. ;D Hmmm......nice work on the back......maybe Corey's? :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on March 19, 2011, 08:33:16 PM: Quote

Very nice Seecamp .380, John. I knew you'd have to have another. ;D Hmmm......nice work on the back......maybe Corey's? :)

I thought it was the thing to do, I was able to fill the wants of two people.
My Son-inlaw wanted the LWS32 and Corey wanted to sell a LWS380, so everyone ends up a winner. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on March 20, 2011, 02:27:38 PM: You did well, John; and a custom .380 Seecamp, at that! :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on April 02, 2011, 09:01:05 AM: I received these new Carbon Fiber grips the other day for my Seecamp. They fit well and feel well and this picture really doesn't do them justice. In real life they are much better.

(http://www.fototime.com/6A294EA5CD29ECB/standard.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on April 02, 2011, 10:20:36 PM: I had to get the blue ones too.

(http://www.fototime.com/8C0109F81D64FFA/standard.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 02, 2011, 10:37:15 PM: Art, Very nice looking duo, kudos to Paul.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 03, 2011, 07:48:12 AM: Art. Now those are nice. Thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Z on April 03, 2011, 08:15:51 AM: Chameleon

A nice looking pair indeed! ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on April 03, 2011, 09:16:47 AM: Thank you guys.

I just bought them the design and manufacturer is Paul and he did well.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on April 03, 2011, 10:55:56 AM: If anyone wants a set of these, here's the link!

http://www.designergrips.com/
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: garymass on April 03, 2011, 11:56:20 AM: Are those both smooth or checkered? I never thought I would say this to another Man but Nice grips. ;D
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on April 03, 2011, 12:10:48 PM: Judging by the pics I would say both pair of grips Art has have the checkering. They are cast in a mold so the checkering will not be sharp like cut checkering would, but will enhance the grip nicely.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Joe_from_NY on May 01, 2011, 08:31:08 PM: Quote
Started to shoot a mag yesterday and fired the first rd and it jammed locking the hammer back. The hammer stayed locked back. Larry seemed to know exactly what was wrong and said, send it back, when I talked to him first thing this morning.

deercop. Thanks for the advice on scrubbing the chamber area. I'll sure do that in future cleanings.

Yeah, I had the same problem when my Seecamp 380 first arrived. After the third round, the hammer locked back. Larry said to send it back, and after keeping it awhile, he sent me a brand new gun. A+++ service in my opinion. Also I bought a .32 that was about 15 years old. After a few magazines, the slide cracked. Once again Larry did not hesitate to stand behind his product. He told me to send it in, and they replaced the slide, as well as do a couple of upgrades to bring it up to the specs of the current .32s. Apparently they changed the material used for the slides over the years and had to machine the receiver to match the newer style. Truly an example of excellent customer service.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Ljutic on June 02, 2011, 01:01:21 AM: I guess I never did get mine posted here. I ordered mine a couple of years ago with a goal to have it for my 47th birthday. Due to an unfortunate series of events, the dealer never placed my order. Due to a very fortunate series of events, I was able to get one that was almost out of production so I could even get my custom serial number (BDF1963). Larry signed my mag on the day after my 47th birthday. Close enough for me. I keep mine on the way down low in my weak side back pocket as primary or secondary. The key is that it's always there. The back story on it is also kinda neat how all the pieces came together to make my Seecamp .380 dream come true.

One of these days, I'd like to send it off to CCR for a blackout, but really only a tiny sliver of the top of the slide and the mag base plate shows in this holster.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/BDSBruce/Wireless/c0881814.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/BDSBruce/Wireless/bcdf742a.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 02, 2011, 01:09:09 AM: Very nice, ljutic and the holster, too; the custom serial no. is icing on the cake. Thanks for the photos.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Joe_from_NY on June 02, 2011, 01:52:41 AM: Quote
Not like the Seecamp .380 will depreciate. I will post some pics ;D My turn for peer pressure :D

I dont know if that is correct. In hindsight, i paid about $1200 for mine, which was the average price on Gunbroker about that time for new in box, and it depreciated over 30% since then. I am not complaining because i got it when i wanted it, but you never can tell what will go up or down.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Joe_from_NY on June 02, 2011, 01:59:18 AM: Quote
... Again, Larry warranties everything that is Seecamp so don't worry about buying used. Unlike Rohrbaugh they 100% stand by the gun regardless of who owns it.

This is so true of Mr. Larry. He leads an extraordinary company with an unparalleled view on customer service. True old school pride in their work. No matter whose hands a Seecamp winds up in, no matter how many years down the road, if it has an issue, the man will fix it for you, no questions asked. I own two and will be a Seecamp owner for life. Now that the .380s are a reasonable price again on the market, i will probably get another just in case. In case of what, i don't know, but i just can't resist, they are such a miniaturized work of art.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: chameleon on June 02, 2011, 08:15:32 AM: Quote

This is so true of Mr. Larry. He leads an extraordinary company with an unparalleled view on customer service. True old school pride in their work. No matter whose hands a Seecamp winds up in, no matter how many years down the road, if it has an issue, the man will fix it for you, no questions asked. I own two and will be a Seecamp owner for life. Now that the .380s are a reasonable price again on the market, i will probably get another just in case. In case of what, i don't know, but i just can't resist, they are such a miniaturized work of art.

I think it is a good thing to have more than one of any/every gun we own. I did have duplicates for many years until I cut back on what I carry, and it has been down to a Seecamp and an R-Nine. I have many Seecamps but only one R-Nine, I need to fix that.
The Seecamps are cool to keep buying, I got into the special serial number thing a few years ago and haven't slowed down yet.

(http://www.fototime.com/F2054257A404111/standard.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on June 02, 2011, 02:06:10 PM: Quote
I dont know if that is correct. In hindsight, i paid about $1200 for mine, which was the average price on Gunbroker about that time for new in box.

Joe,

Respectfully, the LWS380 didn't depreciate 30%, you paid 30% too much for it in the first place.

I don't know what LWS380's are retailing for now, but when I ordered mine 4 years ago (approximately) it was $795.00.. I ordered it from Sandi at Seecamp, not thru a retail dealer.

(I paid an extra $35 for the personalized serial number).

I paid $795.00 for my LWS380, and when my pistol was shipped to my local FFL transfer dealer SEECAMP included a check for $40.00 to HIM for the transfer fee..

(Sandi did NOT tell me Seecamp would be sending the check to my FFL dealer)..

Or, I actually paid $755.00 for my new Seecamp LWS380 and I would seriously be surprised if I needed to sell it I could not get my money back..

I'm not faulting you for paying over retail, or scalpers prices, but demanding "instant gratification" can be a bee-atch..

With the plethora of new small 380cal. pistols hitting the market, seemingly a new once each time the sun rises, there's no way you'll see Seecamp LWS 380's selling for $1200.00 again, but I believe you'll always find a market for a good used LWS380 simply because the supply will always be limited, the Seecamp has a reputation as the "best of the best" of it's nitch, and new gun buyers are hitting the market every day.

Plus, the Seecamp pistol, in any caliber, is simply a desirable firearm to a particular segment of the firearms buying public, and, as with those who cherish their Rohrbaughs, selling one, at a fair price, is always going to be easy..

Just conversin', not confrontin', so again no offense intended to you.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_0145_01.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 02, 2011, 04:37:16 PM: Jesse. Where ya been? It has been awhile. Welcome back. Love that Seecamp! :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on June 02, 2011, 06:53:16 PM: Quote
Jesse. Where ya been? It has been awhile. Welcome back. Love that Seecamp! :)

Hi kj:

Thanks for the nice words...

I guess my absence can be contributed to several things... First, I'm old, and my vision was going South, which took the fun out of casual plinking and general online participation with my centerfire guns.

I developed an interest in rimfire rifles because I could actually see well enough to still enjoy casual target plinking, and that led me away from pistol forums in general and I guess I've spent most of my time on those rimfire sites for a while..

Then Buddy, our "buddy" Australian Shepherd developed liver cancer, and had to be put to sleep. That happened very, very quickly, and losing Buddy really put us both in a funk about life in general.

But, blessedly, life goes on.

I had cataract surgery in both eyes last month, and my distance vision now is excellent. (Knock on wood).. I need reading glasses, and always will, but it's a real pleasure to be able to actually SEE well enough to start hitting targets again as I could decades ago..

The cataract surgery didn't help my "less than steady" hands, (which come with the humongous number of birthdays I've had) but I can use a "rest" for that as long as I can actually see both sights and the X ring..

Then a little over a week ago JoAnn found a breeder (online) relatively near of miniature Australian Shepherds, and see saw a photo of one available and heard it calling her name, so we have a sweet 12 wk. old female puppy in the house now.

Between better vision and the enjoyment of watching a new pet discover the world I guess my attitude has gotten a little better as I find myself perusing more and more of my old familiar "gun haunts".

I have always been drawn to any conversation about Seecamps in general, and those classic "keep one in the tube or not" questions folks keep asking always catches my attention..

Or, the "magazine vs clips", or "if it doesn't start with a 4, it's worthless".. Or, a 9MM round is simply a 45ACP set on "stun", and all that malarkey..

:)

Anyway, nice of you to notice I'm back..

Thanks!

Jesse

P.S. JoAnn and I are believers in the "Rainbow Bridge" story... So we expect to see our Buddy again...

Irreplaceable Buddy...

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_0340_03.jpg)

"Jodie": not a Buddy "replacement", but a new life to love and give love to us. A sweet, very smart little girl. (She'll only top out at about 40lbs.)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2590.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 02, 2011, 07:16:46 PM: Hey Jesse. Certainly sorry to hear of the loss of Buddy; that is hard to grasp. Great that you now have the 12 week old, Jodie, as I know she'll be a great comfort to you both.

Thanks for the photos of Buddy and Jodie; excellent.

Good to see your cataract surgery was a success and enjoy seeing better again.

Enjoy raising Jodie and keep us posted on her growth. Again, good to see you back.

kj
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on June 02, 2011, 08:21:57 PM: Quote from: kjtrains
Enjoy raising Jodie and keep us posted on her growth. Again, good to see you back.kj
[/quote

kj,

Thanks, I appreciate it very much..

Best Wishes,

Jesse

P.S. Here are two photos of a couple of my favorite plinkers now. Both 1970 Model 39 "Century Limiteds".. I enjoy shooting both, but the Redfield peep sight on one of them makes it absolutely a tack driver at any distance I can see the target from..

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2466.jpg)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2522.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Joe_from_NY on June 02, 2011, 08:45:46 PM: Quote

Joe,

Respectfully, the LWS380 didn't depreciate 30%, you paid 30% too much for it in the first place.

I don't know what LWS380's are retailing for now, ,,,snip...

Hey Jesse
Well, it was more like i overpaid paid 50% if you look at it that way. I paid the market price at that time for a product able to be delivered at that time. Just like if i bought a house when the prices were up, when the prices go down, the house depreciated. Or did it not depreciate because in 1940 when it was built, it sold for $5000? I consider an item depreciating if the price is lower than some given point in time.I wasn't complaining about the price i paid, as i said, i got what i wanted when i wanted it. i didn't buy it to resell. the price difference amortized over my expected years of possession would be insignificant.
I am extremely happy with the company, as they have done warranty service on both of my guns, replacing a 380 that couldn't be made to work right, and fixing a 16 year old .32 so it works as good as new. they are quality guns from a quality company.
And that is a beautiful dog you have, brother.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on June 02, 2011, 09:36:43 PM: [quote author=Joe_from_NY
I am extremely happy with the company, as they have done warranty service on both of my guns, replacing a 380 that couldn't be made to work right, and fixing a 16 year old .32 so it works as good as new. they are quality guns from a quality company.
And that is a beautiful dog you have, brother.
[/quote]

Hi Joe,

The only thing that matters with your Seecamp, and how much you did or did not pay for it, is if you are happy with it..

Apparently you are, (as I am with mine), so all's well that end's well.

I know all about buying too high and having to lose my butt when I sold something..... :-[

You were only out a few hundred bucks.. You don't want to hear my story about the new Linclon MK VII my wife and I bought back in 1989 and sold 6 months later...

And thanks also for the nice words about our new family member.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2579.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on June 02, 2011, 10:06:02 PM: Jesse, good to see you back and glad thing are looking up for you.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on June 02, 2011, 10:53:13 PM: Jesse, sorry to hear about you losing your companion. We went through a very similar situation. You can never replace them, but the joy of a new puppy renews the heart.

I also have a Marlin Century model 22. One of the very few guns that I own that I have not shot. Because it is serial number Ten !
I stumbled across it at a gunshow and did not have to pay any extra. The guy did not know what he had.

Hope you health gets better and you get to shoot more.

I enjoy your posts, stick around.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on June 03, 2011, 01:42:17 PM: Quote
Jesse, good to see you back and glad thing are looking up for you.

yankee:

Thanks!

Jesse
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on June 03, 2011, 01:47:55 PM: Quote from: Reinzhe

I also have a Marlin Century model 22. One of the very few guns that I own that I have not shot. Because it is serial number Ten ! .[/quote

Rein:

Thank you also for the kind words, and congratulations on the Century you have! I'm not a collector, but I think if I had such a find I'd not shoot it either...

:)

I also have a Marlin Model 39 (1996), two Browning SA22's (ATD's), a Winchester 63 (Miroku), and recently inherited a pristine Remington 552.. I love 'em all, but the old Century Limited with the model 70 Redfield peep sight is just the one I enjoy shooting the most..

I apologize to those folks who are observing how I've led the original theme of this thread off into the wilderness, it was unintentional, but it was very nice to be missed..

Best Wishes,

Jesse :)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on June 03, 2011, 02:20:32 PM: I agree, there's just something about those lever actions!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Joe_from_NY on June 03, 2011, 02:22:44 PM: Quote
I agree, there's just something about those lever actions!

Here is another one, a Winchester that my grandfather gave to me. It has a screw on octagon barrel which says "30 WCF" and "especially for smokeless powder". No model number on it:

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae310/photospotxx/Wincropped.jpg)

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae310/photospotxx/hhh.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on June 03, 2011, 02:37:10 PM: Joe, that is an AWESOME gun!

That is an original 30-30 take down.

The lever at the end of the mag tube is used to "unscrew" the barrel and mag assembley and "take down" into two pieces.

Those are really cool.

That looks in good shape and is worth consideralbly more than your average 30-30.

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on June 03, 2011, 02:38:25 PM: Joe - I returned your PM

Thanks
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Richard S on June 03, 2011, 03:18:01 PM: Quote
Hi Joe,

The only thing that matters with your Seecamp, and how much you did or did not pay for it, is if you are happy with it..

Apparently you are, (as I am with mine), so all's well that end's well.

I know all about buying too high and having to lose my butt when I sold something..... :-[

You were only out a few hundred bucks.. You don't want to hear my story about the new Linclon MK VII my wife and I bought back in 1989 and sold 6 months later...

And thanks also for the nice words about our new family member.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2579.jpg)

Jesse:

I haven't been following this thread lately and almost missed your return. Welcome back!

You have my condolences on the loss of Buddy. I know what it is to lose a wonderful dog. And while the place Buddy occupied in your lives can never be filled, that is one beautifully conformed miniature Australian Shepherd you now have. She will create her own special place in your lives.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on June 03, 2011, 03:21:08 PM: Quote from: Joe[/quote

Hi Joe,

Wow.. neat old Winchester.... I'd say that would stay in the family as "heirloom" material..
;D

Thanks for showing it to us... I really like that "tang peep sight" (I might be wrong in the proper name, but you know what I mean).

Each time I see an old gun like yours I wish it could talk, because you just know it's been places and seen a lot over the years..

Best Wishes,

Jesse
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Laserlips on June 03, 2011, 03:32:44 PM: [quote author=Richard

You have my condolences on the loss of Buddy. I know what it is to lose a wonderful dog. And while the place Buddy occupied in your lives can never be filled, that is one beautifully conformed miniature Australian Shepherd you now have. She will create her own special place in your lives.[/quote]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for your comments... I think we have all lost family members in the form of pets that were simply irreplaceable. I've lost many over my almost 69 years, but none more special than my Buddy..

Jodie already has captured our hearts, and one of the things Buddy would do each day that was so neat is take my MIL's mail (one piece) in his mouth and take it over to her. (She live's next door on our 5 acres).. Just for fun I offered Jodie a letter just to see what she'd do with it, and the first day she just dropped it, but the past 2 days she has kept it in her mouth all the way to "Granny's" porch and when my MIL came to the door seeing Jodie with a letter in her mouth being delivered as Buddy would do almost brought her to tears..

I think that's pretty good for a puppy only 13wks old.

Thanks again,

Jesse

P.S. They'll never be another Buddy... Maybe one day down the road I'll be saying the same thing about little Jodie?

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1261.jpg)
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Richard S on June 03, 2011, 03:41:32 PM: Quote
Hi Richard,

Thanks for your comments... I think we have all lost family members in the form of pets that were simply irreplaceable. I've lost many over my almost 69 years, but none more special than my Buddy..

Jodie already has captured our hearts, and one of the things Buddy would do each day that was so neat is take my MIL's mail (one piece) in his mouth and take it over to her. (She live's next door on our 5 acres).. Just for fun I offered Jodie a letter just to see what she'd do with it, and the first day she just dropped it, but the past 2 days she has kept it in her mouth all the way to "Granny's" porch and when my MIL came to the door seeing Jodie with a letter in her mouth being delivered as Buddy would do almost brought her to tears..

I think that's pretty good for a puppy only 13wks old.

Thanks again,

Jesse

P.S. They'll never be another Buddy... Maybe one day down the road I'll be saying the same thing about little Jodie?

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1261.jpg)

Lord, Jesse, that seemed to make my computer screen get a little blurry.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Joe_from_NY on June 03, 2011, 06:11:19 PM: Quote
Joe, that is an AWESOME gun!

That is an original 30-30 take down.

The lever at the end of the mag tube is used to "unscrew" the barrel and mag assembley and "take down" into two pieces.

Those are really cool.

That looks in good shape and is worth consideralbly more than your average 30-30.

Thanks for sharing!

Is there any reference online for year of manufacture based on serial numbers?
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on June 03, 2011, 07:40:23 PM: I'm sure there is. I have never tried. Don't know if there is a free service or not. But I bet that there is a "Winchester " forum where they could tell you.

Check your PM
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on June 03, 2011, 07:47:49 PM: He is the Winchester Forum for lever actions

http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?21-Winchester-And-Lever-Action-Board
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 03, 2011, 08:37:10 PM: Quote
kj,

Thanks, I appreciate it very much..

Best Wishes,

Jesse

P.S. Here are two photos of a couple of my favorite plinkers now. Both 1970 Model 39 "Century Limiteds".. I enjoy shooting both, but the Redfield peep sight on one of them makes it absolutely a tack driver at any distance I can see the target from..

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2466.jpg)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_2522.jpg)

Excellent looking lever actions, Jesse. I'm fond of them as well. There is, as Reinz says, something about a lever action.

When the Rossi Ranch Hand came out, I just had to have it. Some folks don't like it, but hey.........what's there not to like. Mine's a .44 magnum.

Thanks for pictures of Buddy and Jodie in your other posts. Those are priceless.

kj
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: yankee2500 on June 03, 2011, 11:58:39 PM: Another place that you may get some information is on The Lever gun Forum.

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/index.php?sid=b39be899f111d0a21c6283d812c4285a
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 04, 2011, 11:34:45 AM: Quote

Here is another one, a Winchester that my grandfather gave to me. It has a screw on octagon barrel which says "30 WCF" and "especially for smokeless powder". No model number on it:

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae310/photospotxx/Wincropped.jpg)

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae310/photospotxx/hhh.jpg)

Joe. That is one amazing Winchester. I have not seen sights like that or for that matter another Winchester like it. You've got a keeper, for sure.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on June 05, 2011, 12:20:02 AM: That's a Lymans tang sight. Pretty common, you can still buy them. They still look and function just like what you see there.
Not to be confused with the Marbles tang sight which looks similar, but can be adjusted for windage. And a difference of about $60-$75 since I last bought one of each about 7 years ago.
For the difference and the performance, go Marbles.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 05, 2011, 12:31:29 AM: Sorry, but I don't even know what a Lymans tang sight is. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on June 05, 2011, 12:37:17 AM: Here ya go!

http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/catalogue-download/pdf/Sights.pdf
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on June 05, 2011, 12:39:20 AM: Here's the Marbles

http://www.marblearms.com/standardPeepTang.html
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 05, 2011, 12:40:36 AM: Quote
Here ya go!

http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/catalogue-download/pdf/Sights.pdf

Thanks!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 05, 2011, 12:41:39 AM: Quote
Here's the Marbles

http://www.marblearms.com/standardPeepTang.html

Thanks, again!
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: Reinz on June 05, 2011, 12:43:33 AM: You bet'cha
Title: Re: SEECAMP .380
Post by: kjtrains on June 05, 2011, 12:44:25 AM: That's really some good stuff!