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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh Wish List => Topic started by: GeorgeH on July 24, 2004, 02:32:55 PM

Title: Just wondering...
Post by: GeorgeH on July 24, 2004, 02:32:55 PM
Who would buy a 22 trainer if Rohrbaugh offerred one in the future? And, if not, why not?
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: DDGator on July 24, 2004, 08:24:25 PM
That would be cool.  I love .22 conversions.  Count me in.
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: R9SCarry on July 25, 2004, 12:26:04 AM
Wondering George whether you mean a discreet entity . R9 ''lookalike'' but as a .22 dedicated caliber.

Or - whether we had available something after the fashion of a Ceiner ... if of course that would even work.

In principle I'd be more than interested.
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: GeorgeH on July 25, 2004, 01:23:49 AM
What I'm thinking about is a 22 LR lookalike. A firearm that would allow someone to train more but more cost effectively.
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: Mr_Jody_Hudson on July 25, 2004, 03:54:15 AM
I suspect the cost of a Rohrbaugh in .22 would need to be in the area of $600 to $800 at least.  That will buy a LOT of WWB, for practice!   :o
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: GeorgeH on July 25, 2004, 11:20:27 AM
No, a 22 would allow the Rohrbaugh Brothers use a casting for the frame, instead of forged billet, which would reduce the price.
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: Mr_Jody_Hudson on July 25, 2004, 07:44:15 PM
Ahhh, would that bring it down to $500, or less do you think?

The Walther TPH, after the Walthers were bought from Interarms by Smith and Wesson were discount wholesaled out for $333 several years ago... They had been retailing for $600 or so just before that...

What would be your guess for retail value/price and how would the Rohrbaughs recoup the start-up cost, in your opinion?  Do you think there would be a large enough market, or that it would Catalyze  sales of the R9s so that .22 buyers would want the 9mms and 9mm buyers would want the .22s, etc?

I know the market for the Walther TPHs was very small, they were pricey and they were not of good quality, compared to the Rohrbaughs and supposedly they were very unprofitable.  In other words, with a wholesale price, at the end, over $500 they were losing money and at the same time not spending enough to make a good enough quality pistol.
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: GeorgeH on July 25, 2004, 09:22:10 PM
Hi Jody:

By going to a casting, you reduce waste and machining cost. The retail price point could be brought under $500 without difficulty.
  
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: Mr_Jody_Hudson on July 25, 2004, 09:29:30 PM
Well... I LOVE my little TPHs, but they each had to go back for repairs... to make them like they should have been the first time out the factory door -- went back at least 4 times each!

I LOVE small, make that tiny, pistols that are accurate, reliable and durable.  It would be great to have another choice, like a Rohrbaugh .22 look-alike of the R9s.

My preferance would be for the Rohrbaugh brothers to make a ton of money in what they do, so that they can keep on doing it!  Whatever form and features that takes, I imagine I will be a supporter and purchaser!!!!!
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: GeorgeH on July 26, 2004, 01:22:01 AM
I agree, I can't see the Rohrbaugh brothers selling a piece of crap. All I'm trying to do in with this post is to see how many would like a 22 look-a-like pistol.
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: Mr_Jody_Hudson on July 26, 2004, 11:35:23 AM
OK... YES.   ;D
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: shooterjb on July 27, 2004, 11:37:31 AM
Hi George,

I realize that I am a little late getting into this thread, but I like the idea of practicing with the 9mm R9S. I have plenty of .22s to shoot if I want to. For the $10.98 price that Wal-Mart gets for 100 of the Winchester White Box 115 grain 9mms, you can't beat it. It doesn't pay me to reload for that price. In fact, if I don't feel like it, I don't even pick up the brass.

Frank
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: GeorgeH on July 30, 2004, 05:50:48 PM
Hi Frank:

I got sold on the idea of a 22 trainer from the NAA board. I always thought the idea was dumb, now I think it is great. As to WWB ammo from Walmart, I love it.
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: Michigunner on September 17, 2005, 08:20:39 PM
I would buy a .22LR conversion kit for the R9S, but really need the .380 Auto kit much, much more.
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: Aglifter on September 18, 2005, 01:24:40 AM
Well, I think my Kimber w. a 22 conversion is a great little toy...and I have this strange problem w. guns following me home... so yes, I'd like one, but I really think it'd be hard to R bros. to make a business case for it -- unless it's something they want to have for themselves, I just don't see the hundred or so of us that would probably want one justifying the R&D, etc -- of course, I've never designed a gun, so maybe it's not that hard to design a kit for 22 conversion -- I wouldn't want a different, cheaper gun, but I'd really appreciate something that could lower the recoil down on the pup to the point where I could go fire a few hundred rounds on a range day, so that I could get more comfortable w. it
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: Michigunner on September 18, 2005, 07:45:48 AM
Good points, Aglifter.  We need to get more comfortable experience with the R9.

That's why I'm hopeful they will have a .380 barrel and magazine for the R9 owners.

I know someone could say: Why didn't we get a .380 Auto in the first place?

Well, because the R9 is a gem of a gun.  It has high power in a small package!  I couldn't resist the idea.

Bill
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: sslater on September 18, 2005, 03:26:22 PM
Michigunner,
I'd thought I'd like to see a .380 conversion kit for the R9 also.  Lots of talk about a .380 ACP in the "Two New Models" thread.

Last night I dug out my handy-dandy NRA Fact Book and looked up the specs for the .380 vs. 9mm Parabellum.  Even though the .380 ACP was originally called the 9mm Kurtz or 9 mm Short, there are quite a few differences in the cartridge dimensions.

Barrel / chamber dims could be easily accomodated; magazine would require new one with extended feed lips, new follower and spring.  Biggest problem I can see is the breech face.  .380 ACP rim diameter is only 0.374", while 9mm Parabellum rim is 0.394.  I slid a .380 ACP round under the extractor of my R9S.  There's barely enough rim for the extractor to grab.  That would mean at least an extractor change to one with a longer hook.  Considering the Rohrbaugh quality standards, we're probably talking about a new slide as well.
Maybe we could use the old, tired 250 round recoil springs from 9mm practice.  That'd save about $4.... :(

sslater  
Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: Michigunner on September 18, 2005, 03:36:58 PM
sslater,

Good point about the extractor, and possible slide change.  I sure wasn't thinking about that.

Now it's starting to sound like some real money.

I may start looking around for specs on the so-called reduced recoil ammunition.

Bill

Title: Re: Just wondering...
Post by: dfsutton on February 08, 2006, 03:39:21 AM
I don't think I'd chip in for one. If I had that amount of money to spend on a .22 LR practice Rohrbaugh, I'd just buy 2 of the R9s and carry one and shoot one for practice.