The Rohrbaugh Forum
Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: billib on June 21, 2012, 04:04:24 AM
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I'm a BIG Glock, Sig, Smith and Colt fan.
I've had my eye on the M&P Shield for a
short while now. Well, I was in the local
Academy Sports this weekend buying
ammo and the Sig Sauer P290 was on
sale. Its typically $759 retail and $559
from the interweb if you have an FFL.
I don't have an FFL so I'm at the mercy
of retailers like most mortals. Oh, didn't
I mention that the Sig P290 with Night
Sights, Laser, Holster and two Magazines
was on an unadvertised sale for.....$479?
Well it was. Guess who owns another Sig?
I think I sprained my hand getting my AMX
out super fast.
The Sig is smaller than it looks. I was holding
out for a .40 Shield or Baretta Nano in .40 S&W
but you know..........I'm only human, enjoy the
photos.
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Bill:
Those provide a good photographic comparison of the two pistols. Thank you for posting them. Good shooting with that lasered Sig, and take care of that beautiful Rohrbaugh. 8)
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Yah, the Sig is like a Chevy and the PUP a Mercedes.
The PUP feels slimmer in the slide and wider in the
grip. The way I like it and the Sig feels top heavy
in the slide and waaaay to slim in the grip. I have
a Hogue sleeve on order for the Sig grip. It would
be great if someone made a laser as well integrated
into the PUP frame as the Sig has. I'd buy one in a
heartbeat.
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Man what a killer deal on that Sig! Congrats.
Not quite a frame mount per se, but here is Rohrbaugh's
answer to a laser. Go to bottom of page.
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/catalog/1?page=1
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Yah Reinz, I had seen that. Waaaaaaay to efin big.
The brothers Rohr design an extraordinary PUP but
get a fail on the laser. If they figured out how to
implement a Guide Rod Laser with the same level
of simplicity as the rest of their pistols they wouldn't
be able to keep up with demand.
And a daylight visible green laser, not no stinkin'
weak red excuse.
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Gotta agree with ya there Billib. That laser, that I know of has not been talked about on the forum as far as a range report. The only talking about it that I have is seen is one time in the classifieds.
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Reinz, on the one hand the brothers Rohr
are brilliant for designing a laser that makes
their PUP pocket friendly on the other hand
it wouldn't work for me. I think by its apparent
lack of interest it doesn't work for others as
well.
Make it a Guide Rod Laser and use a Mercury
Switch so when the PUP's Barrel is down its OFF.
When held in any other position, its ON, that works
for me.
Would that work for you? Would that work for
anyone else?
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I find the Grip Panels of the P290 to be
borderline painful. They're like Sand Paper
on steroids. Here's a photo of the Hogue
Grip Sleeve saving the day.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7134/7418324840_b603de5f53_z.jpg)
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Reinz, on the one hand the brothers Rohr
are brilliant for designing a laser that makes
their PUP pocket friendly on the other hand
it wouldn't work for me. I think by its apparent
lack of interest it doesn't work for others as
well.
Make it a Guide Rod Laser and use a Mercury
Switch so when the PUP's Barrel is down its OFF.
When held in any other position, its ON, that works
for me.
Would that work for you? Would that work for
anyone else?
Bill:
That's a very interesting idea. I don't know, however, about a mercury switch. They're so bloody sensitive that I wonder if one of them would retain reliability under the repeated stress of the R9's recoil. Also, if the laser would be inactivated when the barrel was pointed down, would that not be a disadvantage in a situation, say, where you might be at the top of a stairwell in your home at night with a BG firing at you from the lower floor? (But I'm no engineer . . . just a semi-retired lawyer. :-\ )
I have a LaserMax sight mounted as the guide rod for a 1911. As you know, that brand is activated by a pivoting ambidextrous switch which also serves as the pin of the slide stop. I don't know if the R9's recoil assembly is large enough to accommodate a laser mechanism or whether the barrel pin could be adapted to serve as the switch. Given the cost of the 1911 LaserMax, a smaller version would probably be as expensive as the R9 itself. Therefore, I wonder of a pressure-activated grip-mounted laser sight, such as the Crimson Trace design, might be the better solution.
The entire subject is interesting. Thanks for raising it.
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Hi Richard S, thanks for your input and experience.
I recently purchased a Red Laser for very
little money from Amazon that is self contained in
an aluminum tube not much bigger than the PUP's
Guide Rod. It attaches to the front of the Trigger
Guard.
Since their is no simple way to affix an external
On-Off Switch to the PUP I surmized that a Mercury
switch could be used. A timer circuit could keep the
Laser on for a few minutes so the scenario that you
stated could be avoided. As far as using actual Mercury
for the switch, I have a car alarm that uses some type
of solid motionless mechanism in place of a Mercury
Switch that "feels" for the car being jacked up so that
a thief could steal your tires or tow your car off.
Their are ways to overcome the obvious problems in
implementing such a Laser design it just take money
and of course the desire to do so.
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Bill:
With that explanation, the concept becomes even more intriguing.
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Very interesting Billib.
Sounds like if there is a will, there is a way; or if there is enough money....
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Right Reinz, a Laser for the PUP would never sell in
large enough numbers for most companies to be
interested. Maybe the company who created the
current PUP Laser would one day do it. I'm not
quite shure why it was developed. I doubt that it
sells in enough numbers to have been very profitable.
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I'm a BIG Glock, Sig, Smith and Colt fan.
I've had my eye on the M&P Shield for a
short while now. Well, I was in the local
Academy Sports this weekend buying
ammo and the Sig Sauer P290 was on
sale. Its typically $759 retail and $559
from the interweb if you have an FFL.
I don't have an FFL so I'm at the mercy
of retailers like most mortals. Oh, didn't
I mention that the Sig P290 with Night
Sights, Laser, Holster and two Magazines
was on an unadvertised sale for.....$479?
Well it was. Guess who owns another Sig?
I think I sprained my hand getting my AMX
out super fast.
The Sig is smaller than it looks. I was holding
out for a .40 Shield or Baretta Nano in .40 S&W
but you know..........I'm only human, enjoy the
photos.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7268/7412727370_cc8f2cfce2_z.jpg)
.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7135/7412727238_22b119c17c_z.jpg)
.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7269/7412727630_474e46e59a_z.jpg)
.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7260/7412727584_d607d902ae_z.jpg)
.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5072/7412727538_04b2dc1858_z.jpg)
Is the the new model with the re-strike capability (290RS) ?
if not that could explain the lower price, many places are looking to move the old models because they had issues with light strikes and Sig reissued the 290 with the RS on the slide.
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The only engraving on the Slide has
"SIG SAUER P290" no "RS".
So, whats the likelyhood a Baretta
Nano will have restrike capability added?
Maybe I can get a closeout deal on one
of those to.
One of the things I'm not crazy about is
that the P290 isn't a TRUE Double Action.
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Billib,
Did you see the Sig P224? It came out first in the DAK version but is now available in the DA/SA with the SRT trigger. Yes it's a lot more $$$ than the 290, but I enjoy spending other people's money ;)
Robar233
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No I'm not familiar with it. Their are now so many different
models made in so many different versions from so many
different makers its almost impossible for a busy person to
keep up. So I Googled Sig P224. Boy, thats one SWEET gun!
It reminds me of my P226 but chopped down. And available
in 9mm, .40S&W as well as the AMAZING .357Sig.
Damn, you've gone and got me lusting after yet another gun.
It better never go on sale. I have WAAAAY to many guns now.
A pox on your family, sir!!!!!!!
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I was interested in the 224 in 9mm and have been told it may be a long time before they make a 9mm model if ever, it is being introduced in 40 and 357 Sig for now.
I really like the new 938, weighs 16oz is 9mm.
Link to the 938
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p938-blackwood.aspx
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I was interested in the 224 in 9mm and have been told it may be a long time before they make a 9mm model if ever, it is being introduced in 40 and 357 Sig for now.
I really like the new 938, weighs 16oz is 9mm.
Link to the 938
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p938-blackwood.aspx
John
The 938 is one fine looking pistol! :)
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There are actually six other models available, here is the Extreme.
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p938-extreme.aspx
The rest can be looked at here.
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogNewProduct.aspx
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I almost bit on the P290 deal at Academy last Wednesday, but I maintained self control and walked out empty handed. As it turns out it was a wise move on my part because I scored a 938 earlier today. http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/06/sig-p938-2012-wish-list-update.html (http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/06/sig-p938-2012-wish-list-update.html) It's even the variant I wanted. ;D It will be my first Sig.
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Looks like an awesome little gun.
Congrats! :)
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Ljutic, you have a lot more will power than I.
And it paid off, nice!
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I almost bit on the P290 deal at Academy last Wednesday, but I maintained self control and walked out empty handed. As it turns out it was a wise move on my part because I scored a 938 earlier today. http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/06/sig-p938-2012-wish-list-update.html (http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/06/sig-p938-2012-wish-list-update.html) It's even the variant I wanted. ;D It will be my first Sig.
Congrats on the 938, I just won an auction on Gunbroker for one of the 938 Extremes and will post some pics when it arrives. ;D
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I almost bit on the P290 deal at Academy last Wednesday, but I maintained self control and walked out empty handed. As it turns out it was a wise move on my part because I scored a 938 earlier today. http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/06/sig-p938-2012-wish-list-update.html (http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/06/sig-p938-2012-wish-list-update.html) It's even the variant I wanted. ;D It will be my first Sig.
Congrats on the 938, I just won an auction on Gunbroker for one of the 938 Extremes and will post some pics when it arrives. ;D
Cool. We'll be able to compare shooting notes. If you are looking for a holster, I've got some leads on availability.
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Some holster info would be great, I have read several posts that say they are using the 238 holsters but I'm not keen on stuffing a larger gun in a holster designed for a smaller one. ;D
Shoot me a PM or email with what you have, I located some 6rd ($32.95) & 7rd $39.95) mags, best price I could find. I also came across some custom grips.
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I went to a gun show today looking for a 938. None. Of course it was the second day of the show, so if there were any to be had I am sure they flew out the door yesterday while I was at a match 200 miles away.
I did talk to a holster maker and he said he is using his 238 mold.
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John, I've been anxiously waiting for you to post
some photos of your Sig & Pup side by side. BTW,
how do they compare at the range? I never paid
all that much attention to the Sig because I thought
that model was a .380......live and learn.
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Well here are a couple of quick pictures although not very good but I think you can get the idea.
The Sig is more comfortable to shoot
Without mag ext on pup or +1 rd extension on Sig With extensions on both
(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/IMG_1204.jpg)(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/IMG_1207.jpg)(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/IMG_1206.jpg)
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The Sig is much small than I exspected.
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Thanks for posting your comparison pics.
That Sig is awfully nice. For fans of the
1911 pistol and want a tiny 9 that doesn't
break the bank....that Sig looks perfect.
The most uncomfortable part of shooting
the Pup for me is the Trigger Guard where
it meets the grip. My middle finger gets
jammed up behind the guard and it can be
very painful. The Sig looks like it would be
more comfortable to shoot.
Do the Sig Magazines have a Finger Extension
or is half of your hand hanging below the grip?
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The 6 round mag is flush with the bottom, the 7 round mag has an grip type of extension on it which makes it very comfortable to shoot.