The Rohrbaugh Forum
Administration => Forum News and Feedback => Topic started by: DDGator on March 30, 2014, 10:37:57 PM
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We are fast approaching the ten-year anniversary of this forum, on May 20th.
I started the forum in 2004 before I even had an R-9, and very few people actually had one. Many of the early adopters joined the forum and we hung on every word… We were a small group very passionate about our unique little pistols.
Being a rule follower, I contacted Rohrbaugh Firearms before taking the website pubic to see if they had an objection to me starting a forum using their name. They weren’t quite sure at first, but consented. I eventually went up and met everyone at the factory (in Farmingdale) and then spent time with them every year at the SHOT Show. I got to know Karl and Eric and we became good friends.
As a result, the forum had an “inside” connection, and was usually the first place for new Rohrbaugh information. Even though Eric could not participate directly in the forum (for legal reasons), he often provided insights and answers to the forum through me.
I used to be an active participant in a lot of firearms forums -- KTOG, Glock Talk, the Firing Line, the High Road, the S&W Forum, and others. But ultimately I got burned out on all those places. The level of discourse was unimpressive after a while, and more often than not every post turned into a name-calling dispute over something.
Over time I realized the Rohrbaugh Forum was not like that. The discussions were intelligent. People were very helpful and polite. Before long we had a really nice community of like-minded shooters who appreciated our unique “pups.”
Aside from the very occasional troll, the forum required very little moderation. (As of today, I have banned 3 people and deleted only a handful of posts.) Over the years, I met and got to know a number of great people that I consider friends.
However, I feel as though an era is coming to an end. The R-9 has matured as a product, and most of the hard work on our end has been done. The change in ownership of Rohrbaugh Firearms means significant changes are coming. I suspect the new owner is going to produce lots more guns and changes are inevitable. In essence, I think the R-9 is going to fork into a “post-New York” product line that will be, to a greater or lesser degree, different.
Going forward, I suspect my connection to the factory will be no different than anyone else. Even with Karl and Eric there, I know that communication and answers will be more limited. Obviously the new owners like to control the flow of information--as big companies tend to do.
My point is this -- it will be a new day. The name may be the same, and the guns may look the same, but it will be different.
For that reason, I am thinking it may be a good time to draw this forum to a close. Shutting down after a decade, to coincide with this transition, will provide a good bookend to the noble experiment we have been conducting together.
My thinking in this regard is not a direct result of some of the recent unpleasantness on the forum. However, it has reminded me of what gun forums tend to be like outside of our isolated little world. As the R-9 becomes more mainstream, and sells in larger numbers, this type of change in the forum’s environment seems inevitable.
However, I know that I am not in this alone. The forum is a product of a lot of contributors over the years. So, I thought I would at least solicit your input while I weigh this decision. Feel free to reply here with your thoughts, or send me a PM if you would prefer.
Thanks to everyone in advance. And please, let’s keep this thread on topic.
DDGator (Duane)
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Duane,
I hope you can keep up the good job here.
I hope and expect the change at Rohrbaugh will be for the better.
All we can do is wait and see.
Do not stress / burn yourself out. (MOST IMPORTANT )
Change is inevitable.
Change, good or bad is stressful.
I feel people asking for help / advise here is helpful for others.
I feel increase in text volume here is mostly good.
(I am very slow / poor typist so I respect it more so)
I hope I have contributed some here, even if only for a small # of people on a 1 to1 basis
( telephone conversations ... )
Please take your time to decide.
Thanks again all, Bob
( The new Rohrbaugh if any may not want / allow Forum )
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Considering your position I could see how that would seem like a logical concept Duane.
I know I would have been LOST in trying to get my used R9 running as well as it was before it broke without the help of all you guys.
I imagine that if you do decide to close up shop many of your buds on here would be saddened. I know I am not yet attached enough to call anyone my friend here; however the helpfulness and intelligence as well as the general quality of individuals on this site is rare air. You don't see this collection of fellows gathered on a public forum.
This was an earlier post of mine made with all sincerety:
"Thanks for the tips and advice.
This forum is the best thing for the sales of Rohrbaugh out there. If it weren't for it I would have thrown in the towel by now."
I guess you have some soul searching to do.
I hope my posts were not the beginning of the demise of the forum. I kinda feel like I got this thing going south. If so, I apologize to all. It is/was a great site.
I personally would ban me (and others malefactors if I am one) from being on here and keep your happy camper status. Truthfully.
Best wishes to all.
I personally hope the forum stays alive and well.
Thanks for all the hard work keeping up the site Duane.
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Do not debark ship prior to making port.
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Duane,
I personally hope you can find the will to hang in there. There is no question that the site will experience change and that we may have to change with it, but the need for experienced input and assistance that we each will need will not disappear. I would suggest that several new topic headings might allow some relief:
1. Deer Park/Farmingdale pistols owners
2. New production/Carolina owners
Best wishes to you whatever you decide, and thanks, if only for the memories.
John
Non Illegitimi Carborundum
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If it hadn't been for this forum, I likely would have never purchased a pup and I surely wouldn't have met the nice group of people who are the regulars on here. Up until recently I did enjoy coming here to read and/or discuss all things Rohrbaugh along with all sort of other things. I'd like to think that things will improve. I'd say stick it out for a little and see what transpires? Thanks for the forum and for your patience as of late, you are a better man than me.
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This forum helped convince me to buy an r9. In addition, when problems with the gun arose & I questioned that decision
Backup9 & others helped me diagnose a bad firing pin retainer. The result was a perfectly functionong gun via a pleasant and professional warrentee repair. NONE of that would have happened without this forum. I totally respect your decision Duane, but perhaps the bad behavior of a very few should not end an era for so many others.
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I think closing it would be a bad move since there is a lot of great information here built up over the years. The site is in a state of change like the company. Who knows what the future will hold and perhaps more traffic down the road could generate some revenue for the site owner. Where are all the people going to get information about their old R9s in 8 years?
You might not have the time or energy to moderate things over the coming years depending on how it unfolds. If the new owners don't end up honoring warranty claims you can expect more of the same for a while. You don't have to be the only person doing this though. I would put a guy like JoshA or some other level headed user in charge of it and fly at 20,000 feet for a while. Ask for volunteer and pick a user who has balance and diplomacy, not just one with the most posts or seniority.
Delegate the details and move on with your new interests.
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Duane,
Could the new owners some how not allow you to use the Rohrbaugh name? I'm assuming they are getting all rights to the name in the sale. Just wondering if they would likely tell you to stop using the name for the forum. If they did, that would certainly put a kink in the situation.
Regarding the website I see both sides of the arguments for and against it. It appears to me that it has become a sounding board for some complaining and frustration. That is likely going to continue until the situation is resolved. I guess one other question I would ask, "If for some reason there were no more guns produced, would you keep the website going?". If the answer is yes, then I see no reason to stop it. If the answer is no, then that may weigh on the decision.
One other option may be to just suspend the website until things are settled, then start it back up again. It seems that it will be a bumpy road until things settle down. Why ride on a bumpy road if you don't have to?
I have had lots of advice on how to run my business. But know one knows better than the one running it. I would suggest that you just follow your own heart and gut to make your decision.
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Running a forum is time consuming, and a thankless job. It was a great forum, and it will be missed
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Speaking of thanks I think we owe Duane a standing applause for his extraordinary contribution to us in the forum for the last ten years. This is truly the best and well run forum in the industry. Tom Watson told me about it in 2004 and I have been an enthusiastic supporter since then. The contributors, for the most part, have been helpful, informative, and collegial.
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Duane:
I echo Tracker's remarks.
The late and legendary R. J. Hedley introduced me to the Forum also in 2004 and I too have been an enthusiastic member and supporter since then. I have met some individuals here whom I now count as good and true friends and whom I have come greatly to admire for their honesty, their intellect, and the content of their character. You are one of those individuals.
You have created and successfully administered the most civil and informational gun forum on the Internet for a decade, building it around what I personally consider to be the finest pocket pistol yet designed and produced. You do indeed deserve our profound gratitude and a standing ovation for your effort.
I have communicated to you by PM my own thoughts on the questions raised in your initial post. Just know that I shall understand and support whatever decision you reach and whatever you decide to do in that regard.
Thank you.
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I hope that this forum does not end. It is the only forum I read, and I own a lot of guns from FN to Seecamp. This forum is a class act. Sure you have some nuts, but mixed into a fruit cake…you have a tasty dessert. I think that this forum should continue even more so now, since I believe the NY guns will become more of a collectors piece (Has anyone noticed the NIB R9S that just sold on Gunbroker? It ran 3 times previously with ending bids of $850-$900 & just sold this time for $1300.00). I think that a lot of us would miss this forum. It is one of the few sane places left.
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Good point Cargaritaville. In the end, it is not about how valuable our pistols will become (and they will appreciate for sure), but about the camaraderie and the collegial and informational "personality" of this forum. Most of those of us who have made this our primary internet site for communication about firearms have developed relationships that are meaningful and lasting even without the personal face-to-face contacts where over 90% of human communication (non-verbl) occurs.
I am a member of 4 other firearm forums under different handles, one of which is perhaps the equal of this one (if you love old Savage 99 rifles), but this is the one I check daily if possible. I will grieve if this site is no longer available to me, but will I survive should it demise (clan motto: "Endur Fortis"), but my happiness at a time nearer to the end of my days than to the middle will suffer. I do truly hope that Duane can/will hang in there, but time and stress abrades both the body and the soul, so I would never ask him to "serve his term" longer than that "unforgiving minute" made famous in the last stanza of Kipling's "IF". There is an ancient Chinese curse that goes "May you live in interesting times". We seem to be temporarily so cursed. Hang in there Duane for all of us if you can endure, with strength, this transient curse.
With greatest respect and admiration for your service these many years,
John, consort of The One Who Must Be Obeyed and father of one lovely daughter and two warriors.
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Duane,
Short of actually holding an R9 in your hands THIS forum is hands down the best marketing tool for Rohrbaugh there is. I suspect that this forum was responsible for the sale of more R9s than all of the magazine articles and SHOT show exhibits combined. The value of honest folks having intelligent discussions about all of the details of R9 ownership cannot be overstated. Without the information on this site I would have just looked at the Rohrbaugh website and seen an EXPENSIVE, off-brand, pocket gun that I would never be able to see in person before buying (at least not near where I live). By reading the posts on this forum I grew to appreciate the extreme attention to detail, tight tolerances, hand fitting and fabrication of components, history and evolution of the design, and the personal touch of dealing with a friendly and responsive customer service representative whom everyone on the forum knows by name (Maria). It was THOSE things that I read about HERE that sold me and made me excited to spend my hard earned money on a pistol that I had never seen before. Duane, you have built something of tremendous value and should consider that before shutting down the forum.
When I first stumbled upon this forum I read the posts feverishly for almost two straight days before taking a leap and writing my first post (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=5804.msg69516#msg69516). I was so excited by what I had read here that I had decided that "I wanted the best R9 ever made" and posted a WTB ad in the classifieds for an Elite Premium. A bit naive at the time and not realizing that there were only 16 in existence other forum members could have easily rained on my parade but instead I received a friendly and supportive welcome to the community and was wished good luck in my search. In the three years and four months since that first post I have built a collection of some of the finest R9s ever made, none of which I would have been able to locate without the help of other forum members. This forum has given me a hobby and connected me with a group of people who find the history of a small family company from New York who set out to build the world’s best pocket pistol as fascinating as I do. To bring things full circle yesterday I took delivery of the Elite Premium that I set out looking for over three years ago. These guns are special and so are the folks who contribute to this forum; I sincerely hope that you continue to support the forum. If there is any way I can help I would welcome the opportunity. Thank you for everything you have done for the Rohrbaugh community.
Respectfully,
Ryan
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When I first found out about the Rohrbaugh firearm I was intrigued and started doing research to find out as much as I could about them before actually buying one. That is when I stumbled upon this site approximately 15 months ago. To say the least I was very impressed with the vast knowledge and professionalism of the participants and their willingness to share their knowledge and experiences.
To summarize my participation and gain as much technical knowledge as I could, I tried talking little and listening a lot. I didn’t feel compelled to add my 2-cents worth to every post or offer opinions that had little value. Also, many answers can be found by searching the archives.
The end result is that I purchased 3 new Rohrbaughs and am proud of all of them. Also, what little communication I have had with the Rohrbaugh factory was very friendly, informative and professional.
This forum has been invaluable to me personally and is one of only two that I monitor on a regular and frequent basis. The other one is the Seecamp forum which I found out about through this forum. Both are great sites and offer grey-beard experiences and knowledge that cannot be found elsewhere.
While I certainly understand the frustrations of our administrator, I personally and “selfishly” would like to see it continue. Where else would we be able to collectible get the information that is provided here. Also, going forward may present a bigger challenge for Rohrbaugh owners to stay abreast of what is happening with both old and new firearms.
I certainly understand that some owners may be disgruntled about what is happening or the way it is happening but it is what it is regardless of how much we may want to bitch, moan or complain. And that accomplishes nothing. We need to remain disciplined and monitor the information as it becomes available. In the end we may need to do a check and adjust but that remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, “DON’T KILL THE MESSANGER.” Thanks Duane for all your time & efforts.
Just my 2-cents worth.
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To summarize my participation and gain as much technical knowledge as I could, I tried talking little and listening a lot. I didn’t feel compelled to add my 2-cents worth to every post or offer opinions that had little value. Also, many answers can be found by searching the archives.
I subscribe to this same philosophy: Read often, post seldom. Similar to something else we all know and love.. ;D
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Thanks, everyone. I have received a wealth of great comments and advice -- both here and in private messages. As always, I am humbled by the kind words and cogent advice. My thanks to all of you for your input.
As I consider this further, there is no magic to March 20th date. Although I like round numbers, this seems like we are still in a transition period and this is the only good place to be a clearinghouse for new information.
So, let's keep plugging down this road for now and see where the winds take us.
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Duane,
I first leaned about a Rohrbaugh through a friend's brother who carries it down in FL. When I started to do research, this was the place that solidified me buying one. I have learned a whole lot about this gun through this forum and truly owe the guys on here a lot. I use my K380 as an off duty carry daily!! I trust this gun with my life!! Ending this forum would mean that a wealth of knowledge that has been compiled would be gone....and that would be a shame.
While I do understand that the changing of Rohrbaugh Firearms will change the dynamics of this close knit group, but why not wait and see what develops. If the company forces you to cease and desist due to the name of the forum, then maybe it could reopen as a new chapter under a new name called the "Tribute Forum". This would be dedicated to the preservation of the Deer Park's and Farmingdales. That way the guys here could continue to post about their original Rohrbaughs.
Now if you think that it may not be rewarding anymore, then I totally understand. I run a national car club website for the Lotus Marque, and I can speak from experience that it is a lot of work, and it can thankless at times. Ask me what keeps me going.....it's for the love of the Marque and ownership of the car. Here's the kicker...I am selling my car as we speak after 11 years of ownership, but I have no intention of leaving the club as a past club president/and current Senior advisor....in addition to continuing the website.
Just some food for thought.
Dominick
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Hi Duane,
Although, I have not contributed as much to this forum as much as I perhaps should have, I have enjoyed every minute I've spent here. You and so many of this forum’s members have so greatly enlightened me to the wonders of the R9. I have learned so much along the way thanks to you and everyone here. This forum has been a virtual and much-needed library of Rohrbaugh pistol facts and information. Thank you for giving all this to us.
One of the reasons I have had not so much to say is that I’ve had really no problems with my little pup. I’ve had nothing to complain about. All I could do was congratulate new owners as I too was welcomed. From the pistol itself to the wonderful customer service I’ve received from Maria and everyone at Rorhrbaugh, My Rohrbaugh pistol experience has been simply wonderful.
I feel proud to be a member of this forum (or better said; family). If you do find the time and energy to do it, please stick with it a little while longer. At least until we see how things develop with all the changes we can expect in the near future.
Sincerely,
Robert
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Duane,
The work you do is immensely important to everyone who has a Rohrbaugh product. I have carried my R9 (R65*) for close to 6 years now, and I could not have done it with out this site. Please keep it up,
Sincerely,
Mike
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Duane,
I understand your thoughts in your original statement..The Pup will change,and I am sure that people will continue to come and visit for info and facts about our favorite pocket rocket!!
I found this place also early on when I first heard of the Rohrbaugh and even though I don't frequent as much as I want,this forum is near and dear to my heart!!
I hope for the best for the old and the new Pup,and everyone that is a part of them!!
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Every morning I check into this Forum to see what's new. Every night I check into the Forum to see what's new. Is it me or does it seem that the people on this Forum have gone silent? I hope that apathy has not set in. Back in 1992 I bought a new Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce convertible. I then found out that 4 months later Alfa Romeo called it quits in the US and left. The Alfa Romeo forum was buzzing with all the doomsday scenarios. I held onto mine all these years. Never a problem with spare parts, never a problem finding a good mechanic. The cars depreciated and appreciated no differently than any other foreign convertible. Then Alfa Romeo announced their return to the US in 2015. Since that announcement, Alfas have doubled in price. Part because of most convertibles appreciating, and also part of the feeling that better days are ahead. I am a firm believer that if you want to predict the future, look to the past. I believe that better days lie ahead for Rohrbaugh, and purchasers of their fine firearms. Just my 2 cents.
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Yes, forum activity has been exceptionally low. I'm sure it has a lot to do with the general atmosphere on the forum. The issues with the sale (for which there has been no update in months) seem to dominate the discussions lately.
At some point there will be a lot to talk about, I suspect...
These are the kind of web stats that tend to implode an advertising program. ;)
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Duane: Remember what Danny Devito said in the movie "Other Peoples Money" in 1991. When you're trying to get an increasing share of a decreasing market…its too late.
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Expand the scope of the market..."pocket pistols" or some such.
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Unless Remington really takes off with a line of pistols identifiable as Rohrbaugh pistols, the market for this forum will be shrinking, for sure. That likely means either a shift to a user funded site or a pivot to a larger audience of some type with a different URL but a porting of the existing content into a Rohrbaugh sub-forum.
Too early to figure that out just yet, but thinking...
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Totally understand the points made and the frustration due to the unknowns about the future of the pistol line. I Have followed this forum for several years, loved DDGator's website posting of his factory visits and range reports...... and it wasn't until a few months ago I actually joined the forum...... Obviously selfishly .....because I desperately needed a part, and the factory would not respond. Being Not much of a poster, I have appreciated the info shared and the common appreciation for our R9's. I check the forum every few days....NOW mostly to see if there is any news on factory and spare parts. plus I follow listings on gun-broker constantly looking for an excuse to buy another.
I also have researched on internet other postings, finding comments from Eric, and others, on the sale that sound as though he was very stressed and is very glad to have been able to sell / get out. But Never having luck on finding much on Karl.
I love my R9's. One being my daily carry since 2008 and the other a safe queen, but find it very frustrating that I cannot get the part I need for the pistol....I have purchased springs from Wolff.....and I am working on coming up with a replacement for my needed mag release. I find it very frustrating, as owner of numerous antique firearms & curios /relics, that I can find parts, for the most part, easier then my R9......even though most have been out of production for years. I can't understand buying a business with such a loyal following and then going totally quiet.... Seems updating a simple voice message, press release updates, and contacting/updating a forum dedicated to their loyal customers would be simply good business......and Would be protecting the value of there new asset. I hope DDGators doesn't stop, or loose his passion for the R9, but without the new ownership placing a value on his efforts, and the forums value, I expect it will be near impossible. The Rohrbaugh's obviously appreciated DDGators efforts........ I realize I haven't done much to show my appreciation either!
My R9 functions flawlessly, using various ammo,(even though Gold Dots are my daily choice) and is a hoot to shoot despite what others may say....My carry may not be the unblemished beauty it was when I bought it, but every scar caused by it being with me everyday makes it more mine, and even MORE appreciated for its workmanship. Thanks DDGator for your efforts!
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and I am working on coming up with a replacement for my needed mag release. I find it very frustrating, as owner of numerous antique firearms & curios /relics, that I can find parts, for the most part, easier then my R9......even though most have been out of production for years. I can't understand buying a business with such a loyal following and then going totally quiet....
Thank you for the kind words -- I appreciate it.
The parts are an issue. Don't forget that the R9 was never a high production gun, and the parts have always been single sourced from the factory. The only spare parts in existence (other than a handful owned by various individuals) are in Remington's possession now. The real question is whether they will start making new parts, and to what extent they will be compatible with the original design.
As for the quietness -- I don't understand it either.
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Mr DDGator
Forums are a b*tch to run and moniter. I prefer a simple website. Too bad you can't put together a website that shows the history of Rohrbaugh. The silence of the forum is because the gun is in limbo.
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Thank you for such a great site. As an 8 year R9 owner and 6 1/2 year member of this site, I appreciate your hard work and the wealth of information we have available because of it. Nowhere else on the web has the solid info, so well organized, as we do here.
So thank you again. Please consider continuing this site and wait for the good things to come. I predict this site becomes more valuable, the further we get from the sale of Rohrbaugh. I can't find an official announcement on that sale online anywhere.
Marc
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You are right, Marc--there isn't any official announcement and that is a troubling aspect of this odyssey to nowhere at the present time.
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Just my opinion…announcements from a large company that has bought a smaller prestigious company is good pr. No announcement…they just bought Rohrbaugh for the technology.
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Following the R-51 9mm pistol and 700 Rifle X-Mark Pro 1 trigger debacles it looks like they need some help in the technology area. I heard a rumor that there are some openings in their legal department.
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Just my opinion…announcements from a large company that has bought a smaller prestigious company is good pr. No announcement…they just bought Rohrbaugh for the technology.
I really doubt that they bought Rohrbaugh just for the technology. JMO
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Me too, but I also think that Remington had a confluence of negative events that occurred about the same time of the alleged Rohrbaugh buyout and that may be the reason for the stonewalling.
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Me too, but I also think that Remington had a confluence of negative events that occurred about the same time of the alleged Rohrbaugh buyout and that may be the reason for the stonewalling.
I agree. With the failure of the much heralded R51 failing in production version, and working for Stock Holders/Investors who probably know nothing about guns and do not want to, it puts everyone in a bad place.
The Remington 700 has been the best, low priced rifle for years. In the last 5 to 10 years Savage has surpassed them in my opinion and with the trigger problems now, they take another blow.
Some people in the upper Management level will probably lose their jobs over these problems.
Makes a 12 gun per week pistol operation seem pretty unimportant.
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Just my opinion…announcements from a large company that has bought a smaller prestigious company is good pr. No announcement…they just bought Rohrbaugh for the technology.
What technology? I don't thinks so... Assuming Rohrbuagh had some patent or trade secret of value to Remington, they could have bought that from the company without buying the stock of the company. By buying the entire company, Remington assumed all of the warranty obligations and potential liabilities going way into the future. If you just want technology, you can strip that out and avoid the rest of the hassle.
The only logical reason to buy the company is to produce Rohrbaugh guns (with some modifications perhaps) under the Rohrbaugh name. Rohrbaugh needed an influx of capital to build guns and an economy of scale in producing guns. Remington, in theory, could provide both things.
However, plans change. Remington has a lot of bigger problems right now and this likely got back-burnered. Maybe they changed their minds entirely. It is hard to say. I don't think Remington spent so much money on this deal that they feel they have to move forward with it.
All indications in the begining were that Big Green planned to make Rohbaugh pistols. Now, I wouldn't put too much money on that.
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Some people in the upper Management level will probably lose their jobs over these problems.
I've seldom seen upper management wonks get shit-canned.
Usually when they "leave", they deploy their golden parachute a glide gracefully to their next position.
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Not always the case; reference the latest ignominious departure of Bill Gross from the founder of Pimco, one of the largest bond funds. Of course, he is only leaving his ego in Newport CA but the fortune, as you say, is still intact but not at his speed.
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The only ones capable of debugging the R9 are the 'Brothers Rohrbaugh'. I can see 'Cylinder and Slide', and the bill $$ involved. I see no point of Remington buying the company, and the liabilities, when Remington could just buy the production rights. That's what Colt did with John Browning and his 1911
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I tend to agree with you, but whatever their intentions the deal with Rohrbaugh is already done. They just haven't disclosed the details to many interested parties yet.
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Gun owners get irate over jam-a-matics. My seecamp was down for 2 months, my Browning HP was 5 months, and my Sig 232 was 45 days. I hit a stage where I won't tolerate a jammer. And what's worse is I only buy the supposed best (Kimbers, Sigs, S&W, and brownings. And everyone has seen a trip to the factory.
And now I see why everyone eventually gravitates to a 1911. The Glocks and Khars maybe dependable, but 'striker fired' with no safety isn't a pocket gun.
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About the only thing more frustrating than a malfunctioning weapon is a vehicle that won't run. What was the problem with the HP? I think one key with guns like Glocks and 1911s is that the parts are drop-in and available to a gunsmith without sending the gun back to the factory. Others will not provide parts outside of their shop.
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Gun owners get irate over jam-a-matics. My seecamp was down for 2 months, my Browning HP was 5 months, and my Sig 232 was 45 days. I hit a stage where I won't tolerate a jammer. And what's worse is I only buy the supposed best (Kimbers, Sigs, S&W, and brownings. And everyone has seen a trip to the factory.
And now I see why everyone eventually gravitates to a 1911. The Glocks and Khars maybe dependable, but 'striker fired' with no safety isn't a pocket gun.
I had great turnaround time out of my Kimber solo recently. It is a nice pocket gun, and has the safety you prefer if you choose to use it.
Also, I am not really keen on placing a 1911 style pistol in my pocket cocked and locked. Makes me feel funny. Not a good pocket gun either IMO. Anybody else have this aversion?
The Kahr has a long double action trigger thereby making it very similar to a revolver or a Rohrbaugh. It seems to be a good pocket pistol option. Just haven't seen quite the reliability out of mine yet to feel 100% like a Glock or my solo.
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About the only thing more frustrating than a malfunctioning weapon is a vehicle that won't run. What was the problem with the HP?
The trouble with the HP is the factory added the mag safety, which requires a rotating trigger lever. John Browning would have had a fit. A normal trigger is a lever direct to the sear. The HP is a lever to a slide rocker, to another lever, to the sear. Now throw in the mag safety, and it's a completely different design.
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I had great turnaround time out of my Kimber solo recently. It is a nice pocket gun.
Also, I am not really keen on placing a 1911 style pistol in my pocket cocked and locked. Makes me feel funny. Not a good pocket gun either IMO. Anybody else have this aversion?
The 1911 is a 'Battle field' design. It's made for charging Japs in Iwo Jima. You normally carried it in Condition 3 - a live mag, but the gun wasn't cocked.
Today's striker fired pistols, with 5 pound pulls, are an accident waiting to happen. A good holster is a must. A SA/DA with a thumb safety would be my first choice. My preference is a pocket pistol, and a dependable 32 trumps an 'Iffy' 9mm. The Kimber Ultra is a great 9mm, but it's holster carry only.
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I had great turnaround time out of my Kimber solo recently. It is a nice pocket gun.
Also, I am not really keen on placing a 1911 style pistol in my pocket cocked and locked. Makes me feel funny. Not a good pocket gun either IMO. Anybody else have this aversion?
The 1911 is a 'Battle field' design. It's made for charging Japs in Iwo Jima. You normally carried it in Condition 3 - a live mag, but the gun wasn't cocked.
Today's striker fired pistols, with 5 pound pulls, are an accident waiting to happen. A good holster is a must. A SA/DA with a thumb safety would be my first choice. My preference is a pocket pistol, and a dependable 32 trumps an 'Iffy' 9mm. The Kimber Ultra is a great 9mm, but it's holster carry only
And a dependable pocket 9mm, of which there are many(I personally own five), stands heads above a dependable 32.
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And a dependable pocket 9mm, of which there are many(I personally own five), stands heads above a dependable 32.
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The key word is dependable. I got an old Star-B (9mm 1911), and it's dependable. And that's all I care about. I like the Seecamp 32 because it is a dependable pocket pistol. If your R9s are dependable, a 9mm out does a 32
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And a dependable pocket 9mm, of which there are many(I personally own five), stands heads above a dependable 32.
Mr MRC -
The key word is dependable. I got an old Star-B (9mm 1911), and it's dependable. And that's all I care about. I like the Seecamp 32 because it is a dependable pocket pistol. If your R9s are dependable, a 9mm out does a 32
My Kimber Solo is 100%, my PM9 is !00%, my XR9 is 100%, my second R9 is 100%, and my Colt Pocket 9 is 100% with high quality self defense type ammo.
I am struggling now with a XR45 that has magazine problems but I and Boberg will work throught these.
I only recommend pistols I own and have shot and do not talk about ones that I have not . You would have more credibility if you did Mr Skunk.
As for the LWS32 I own at least six and I carried one 12 or 14 years ago. There are better choices for me at this time, but you can carry what you are comfortable with, that is your choice.
Cheers!
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WOW! Haven't been on here for a long time, didn't know all this was happening. Still have the Rohrbaugh with me every day. If you go Duane thanks for a great forum which helped me find this great pistol and learn about it. Also thanks to many great people on this site who are a great wealth of firearms knowledge such as Richard and Brenden just to name a couple early members. And thanks to the great holster maker Mr. RJ Hedley for his expert craftsmenship of which I own 3, may he rest in peace.
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Thanks, Newt. We just keep bumping along, seeing what happens. No decisions have been made yet. Waiting to see what the SHOT Show might bring...
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This forum has been more informative, more germane, and more important since Remington purchased Rohrbaugh Firearms then it was when the brothers were making the pistols.
If it wasn't for this forum, I wouldn't have found someone to sell me a replacement pin. I could go on... This forum is super important to me.
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Without this Forum, there would be no JoshA!...... Kind of like buying a fruitcake with no fruit in it.
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I agree the forum has been a safety line to many members, whether to keep in touch with like minded people or to get some of the small consumables to keep the R9s running, or for hope for a bright future, and I do mean hope, for the Rohrbaugh Brother's great concept and design.
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Time spent on this forum, which I visit at least twice daily, feels like I'm visiting family: supportive, collegial, sometimes argumentative but never mean-spirited or abusive. May it live on with increasing vigor in the new year!
John
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Time spent on this forum, which I visit at least twice daily, feels like I'm visiting family: supportive, collegial, sometimes argumentative but never mean-spirited or abusive. May it live on with increasing vigor in the new year!
John
Hear Hear!!
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I can relate John. My other family is dysfunctional too 😁.
All joking aside. Good group of guys. I've been checking out other forums since things are slow here and it's just not the same. Guys are generally pretty crass on the other popular sights. Just not a feeling of commorodery.
Thanks again for a good site guys.