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Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: Jack_F on February 06, 2012, 11:56:28 AM
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I need some experienced opinions about Kel Tec vs Ruger for small defense pistols.....380 and 9MM....I have guns from both companies but would like to hear other members experiences. Thanks
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Jack,
I chose the LCP over the P3AT but sold the LCP once I got my R9. My logic (if you can call it that) went like this:
Kel Tec is an innovative company and introducing the P3AT as the first mass-market pocket .380 was quite an accomplishment; however, after handling one I just could not get over how cheap it felt and my personal decision was that it wasn't something I wanted to trust my life with (others I'm sure feel differently). The Ruger LCP felt much more refined and did feel like a quality firearm so I purchased that. In the end supporting a blatant ripoff of Kel Tec's design kind of bothered me so I sold it and got an R9 which is far superior to either in terms of quality (and caliber). So with the R9 I got the quality and to support the company with an original product.
-Ryan
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Jack
My experience has not been a good one with Kel Tec. I would rather use it as a paper weight. Just my experience!
I have owned two Ruger LCP pistols, both have been flawless. 1 had to go in for a recall and it was returned in 4 weeks.
I no longer own either the Kel Tec or the Rugers. I use my Pup most of the time! :)
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I need some experienced opinions about Kel Tec vs Ruger for small defense pistols.....380 and 9MM....I have guns from both companies but would like to hear other members experiences. Thanks
Chose the Ruger LCP just because of experience with other Ruger products; never any regrets; same with the LCP; no regrets. The LCP was purchased after the recall.
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This sounds like a knock on Kel-Tec, which is not intended to be... However, having owned both an LCP and a P-3AT -- I would go with the LCP. Better fit and finish. Equal or better factory support.
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This sounds like a knock on Kel-Tec, which is not intended to be... However, having owned both an LCP and a P-3AT -- I would go with the LCP. Better fit and finish. Equal or better factory support.
I did not intend this to be a knock on Kel Tec. I have had several bad expierences with them. Three out of six of my Kel Tec's had to take a trip back to the factory. Once i received them back from the factory and they operated as they should, I sold them off shortly after that.
I know many people who carry them and have good luck with them, just not me.
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I own a P-3AT and like it quite well; very reliable. I had the feed ramp fluffed and buffed and bought a hard chrome slide for it. Kel Tec will ship parts to you usually at no charge which I don't think Ruger will do.
Ruger makes fine guns and I might have bought an LCP if I didn't own the Kel Tec. Below is a comparative range report from several years ago.
http://www.ccwreview.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1211603211&pid=1016
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I bought a Kel Tec P32 at a gunshow shortly after they came out. To be honest I bought it to see if it actually worked. It functioned flawlessly and I was amazed. Bought a used P 3AT a few years later and again I was pleased by the performance. Hated the looks of both guns but they certainly fill a niche market well and performed.
I could not bring myself to buy a Ruger LCP after I saw it was a direct knockoff of Kel Tec. I guess I just expected more out of Ruger.
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Jack,
I chose the LCP over the P3AT but sold the LCP once I got my R9. My logic (if you can call it that) went like this:
Kel Tec is an innovative company and introducing the P3AT as the first mass-market pocket .380 was quite an accomplishment; however, after handling one I just could not get over how cheap it felt and my personal decision was that it wasn't something I wanted to trust my life with (others I'm sure feel differently). The Ruger LCP felt much more refined and did feel like a quality firearm so I purchased that. In the end supporting a blatant ripoff of Kel Tec's design kind of bothered me so I sold it and got an R9 which is far superior to either in terms of quality (and caliber). So with the R9 I got the quality and to support the company with an original product.
-Ryan
Agreed...the R9 is currently the best pocket pistol.......I teach Ohio CCW classes...most people I train don't have the money for a R9....I look for the "best possible for the least money" guns...I understand that everyone has their favorite for various reasons...I like to get opinons from this forum because members are very knowledgeable about a lot of guns ..thanks for all the replys so far.....
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Agreed...the R9 is currently the best pocket pistol.......I teach Ohio CCW classes...most people I train don't have the money for a R9....I look for the "best possible for the least money" guns...I understand that everyone has their favorite for various reasons...I like to get opinons from this forum because members are very knowledgeable about a lot of guns ..thanks for all the replys so far.....
I see where you are coming from now. Since most people probably have never heard of companies like Kel-Tec or Diamondback I would let them know what options are out there in that price range: Kel-Tec P3AT, Ruger LCP, S&W Bodyguard 380, Diamondback 380/9mm, Taurus TCP and let them make the choice. If they ask for which one you would pick tell them.
Of the ones I listed I would probably choose the S&W Bodyguard 380.
-Ryan
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I have owned 2 LCP's and as Z said, both have been flawless. For a lowwer cost 9mm, I have shot a friend's Diamondback DB9 and was impressed. Sights are good and it has functioned flawlessly. It is a little larger (but lighter) than the R9, and the quality is not the same, but if the R9 did not exist, I would likely get a DB9 based on my friend's experience.
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I had one of the first LCPs and it worked flawlessly from day one, I sold it when I got my Kahr P-380 which was a step up and was also flawless from day one. I have never owned a Kel- Tec but have handled several at gun shows and because the fit and finish is so sub par to me I would not buy one. They may work great but they feel cheap.
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I had one of the first LCPs and it worked flawlessly from day one, I sold it when I got my Kahr P-380 which was a step up and was also flawless from day one. I have never owned a Kel- Tec but have handled several at gun shows and because the fit and finish is so sub par to me I would not buy one. They may work great but they feel cheap.
Agreed they feel cheap.......I found the course grip makes them easier to shoot than a smooth grip gun especially for new shooters.
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The only other comparative item I would add to this discussion is the P-3AT has a trigger pull of ~ 4 1/2 ibs whereas the LCP is ~ 8 lbs. This difference could be meaningful to a beginning shooter.
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Since S&W dropped their price on the Bodyguard, I'd recomend it over the LCP or P-3AT. It's got better sights, safety if you want to use it, and laser if you want to mess with it. I had a flawless performing LCP, but ended up trading it as part of my Pup payment.
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It would take a lot of down range time and others' reviews to convince me to buy any current S&W products. A price drop speaks volumes.
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Had a Keltec PF9 that felt cheap, had the worst trigger pull that I had ever felt, went back to the factory for multiple failures to feed. Keltec sent me a mailing label, cleaned up the feed ramp and sent it back promptly and it worked OK, but I couldn't handle the cheap feel (it rattled when I shook it...reminded me of the 1911 I was issued in the army in 1970) and the terrible long irregular trigger pull. Sold it at the next gunshow. Prefer to pay more and have something that will last (Rohrbaugh and Seecamp with Boberg pending).
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There are a few that float to the top and usually you receive top quality for top dollar. I consider the Kel-Tec a reliable throw away. There are other keepers but you pay for them.
It is like someone on this forum said about Spyderco knives compared to William Henry: if you lose it there is not a lot of anguish.
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Seems like a similar thread like this creeps up from time to time trashing Kel-Tecs. Some based on experiece, some based on fondeling or repeating what others have said.
I own a few 32's, a few 380's, one each of the 9's in Pistols and a 9mm carbine. I have carried and shot the pistols extensively over the years wihout a hitch.
I must be the only guy in the US with years of carry time and thousands of rounds fired from each pistol with no problems.
Imagine that.
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It is like someone on this forum said about Spyderco knives compared to William Henry: if you lose it there is not a lot of anguish.
How true it is!
However being an owner of both knives; The "Pretty Boy " William Henry's stay locked up in my gun safe. Whereas, I carry a nice"East Texas Redneck" Spyderco everyday to be used very hard in the shop. ;D
And I keep a cheap plastic handle one in truck.
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