The Rohrbaugh Forum
Miscellaneous => The Water Cooler -- General Discussions => Topic started by: kjtrains on January 23, 2012, 11:08:37 AM
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cwc has decided to leave the Rohrbaugh Forum. I, for one, will miss his being here. He had enormous knowledge of the history of the Rohrbaugh pistols. The knowledge he shared on the Forum will also be missed. Corey, hope you return.
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Bummer.
Hope he comes back to visit now and then.....
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I really don't know the circumstances, and I am sorry to see him go.
However, before leaving, he removed almost 2,000 posts, and maybe hundreds of threads. In the process, this removed related "reply" posts by many other members. I don't care about the post volume in particular, but I don't like the fact that our information archive has been depleted in some respects. Removing posts from threads can make them difficult to follow, and removing entire threads robs us of information that should have been preserved. Part of the reason I put so much effort into the software conversion was to ensure that the wealth of information we have assembled here remains intact.
I have changed the forum settings to prevent users from deleting threads they start -- and also from being able to delete their account without my approval. If you have any questions, or ever want to be "deleted" -- just let me know.
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Sounds like a good policy Duane...I think people generally understand that when they post something it's out there forever. Disappointing that someone can go and remove post and in some cases entire threads but I am sure that the collective knowledge resides with all of us.
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I an sorry to hear Corey is leaving us. :(
I hope one day he will return and share his knowledge.
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Some of this knowledge can't be replaced. Looks like the software to the Forum should have a backup, so in case of a crash could be restored, however, in this case, maybe not.
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There is a back-up, but it's not selective -- and we would have to restore the entire thing from a particular point.
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There is a back-up, but it's not selective -- and we would have to restore the entire thing from a particular point.
Sent you a PM.
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Selling all of his R9s and deleting all of these threads and posts takes a fair amount of time, effort, and resolve.
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Didn't take too long to delete the posts. I was here when it started last night and when it stopped; about an hour.
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It is considerable time when the round trip of posting and deleting is taken into account.
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Selling all of his R9s and deleting all of these threads and posts takes a fair amount of time, effort, and resolve.
An hour is an hour anyway you look at it! :)
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I am very sorry to hear Corey has left the Forum. I consider him a friend, a gentleman, a very knowledgeable gun enthusiast and I truly wish him and his family the best. I am also sorry to hear we have also lost part of the history he helped create here on the forum. I will truly miss him. I hope he is OK.
Phil
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Haven't been here that long. Didn't know Corey well, but seemed like a decent guy. He must have been really angry/disappointed at one or all of us to not just leave, but to erase all signs that he had ever been here...almost a forum "suicide." I am sensitive to this as a long time friend and co-worker ate his pistol last week without warning. Hope Corey is OK.
John
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I too am very sorry to hear that Corey has left. Even in the short time I have been a member of this forum he sent me multiple PMs and graciously answered all of my questions about these fine pistols.
I actually have copies of a lot of the pictures he posted of the early Farmingdales and will work on re-posting them in a new thread if that is of interest to other members. Hopefully others have some copies as well and we can do our best to recreate some of what was once here. Having all of the information on the forum really made me interested in collecting these guns when originally I was just looking for a nice pocket 9mm to carry. I am sure the forum has had the same effect on others so I fell it is important to try and get a lot of the information back out there so people will continue to become interested in learning the history of these guns.
-Ryan
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I did look through some PMs and found a picture that Corey sent me of a Premium Elite of which only 16 were made. I'll see about posting it later. I'm going to give Corey a call in a few days. He is definitely a good friend.
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I had several dealings with Corey both buying and selling and think he is a stand up guy and he had wealth of information on the R9 and his offering will be missed.
I understand not wanting to continue on a forum for whatever reason but to deprive current and future members of worthwhile information was not the right thing to do and not what I would have expected from Corey.
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I agree, John, and in my limited exchanges with Corey I didn't have the impression that when he sold all of his R9s several months ago this forum, or any forum members, was the principal issue. All of the post and thread deletions seemed to be a final cutting of the cord to erase all connections with Rohrbaugh. There are no winners in this endeavor.
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I'm going to see if I can get an answer from Corey in a few days. I still have his phone no., although I may not be able to reveal why he left. He may want it that way. I do want to know if he's OK and will be the reason for the call.
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CWC is still active on the Seecamp forum and apparently has moved on the the Boberg as his 9mm carry ? (which from all I hear is not unreasonable...I have one on order also, but still will cherish my R9 even if the Boberg becomes the better primary or backup carry). Still don't understand his apparent total repudiation of his time here and the destruction of the value he created for those who remain. He seems like a knowledgeable and upright guy in every way otherwise. Hope one of you who know him can mend any fences that we may have damaged inadvertently.
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We didn't damage anything.
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For those who were concerned, or interested I called Corey he is fine, but I think a little more than upset. Something took place between a forum member(s) or administration or ownership and him. I am not sure and I will not say any more because it is really none of my business. I will say and remind myself as often as possible, choose your words carefully and certain words should never be used between men unless you damn sure know what you are saying is correct and the truth. A virtuous man is hard to find.
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Phil,
That is not the reason he sold all of his R9s. Even if that were the case he shouldn't have taken his marbles on the forum and gone home. He had a personal issue with Rohrbaugh and it went downhill from there.
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I agree he should not have taken all his marbles, to me they were not his to take once they were posted.
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Que sera sera
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Absolutely; time to move on.
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Moving on, until I have more info! :)
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The only one who can explain this one is Corey himself; not likely.
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You said yourself, moving on. Let's do it! :)
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Ok.
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I consider Corey a good friend,and surprised to see that he "erased his" time here??
I feel kind of responsible for him catching the R9 bug,selling him his first Pup!!
I do know that he had some kind of situation occur with one(or both)of the R Bros,but that was sometime ago.
I assumed the selloff of his Pups was because of that..
I cannot fathom why he would delete his threads,that appears on the face of things,mighty petty..
I just wish the best for Corey..
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All,
I received an email from Corey. He had personal reasons for leaving that have been developing for some time. I am not sure the specifics are relevant or important, or even that I understand all of them. However, he is fine -- he has just chosen to move on.
Corey didn't fully realize what he was doing with the deletions, and didn't intend to delete other members' posts in the process. He didn't think he had the ability to do that -- and frankly the software shouldn't have allowed it. He sends his apologies to the forum for the loss of the information. He has offered to make hundreds of R-9 photos in a Photobucket account available through another forum member, and I encouraged him to do that.
I don't believe any "vandalism" was intended -- only a severing of ties. I believe he would have done this differently if he had understood the impact. However, I have told him that there are no hard feelings.
I agree that we all should move on and not beat a dead horse.
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Phil,
That is not the reason he sold all of his R9s. Even if that were the case he shouldn't have taken his marbles on the forum and gone home. He had a personal issue with Rohrbaugh and it went downhill from there.
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If they were his marbles why could he not leave and take them with him?
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Arguably, when you post information it becomes part of the public forum. The software should not have allowed that -- but I was anware of some deep "permissions" settings that allowed that to happen. It won't happen again. Everyone is on notice that when you post something, it becomes part of the record here (so long as it is not inappropriate or off topic or whatever). If there is a reason to delete a thread, I will do it.
I don't understand why Corey wanted to erase his contributions, but he did. In retrospect, I am sure he would have approached it differently. I am at peace with it.
Thanks.
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I just spoke with Corey and I will not go into specifics. He is fine and he has said he will email me photos. Truly, a fine friend to have. Thanks, Corey.
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On a positive note, thanks to Duane, Tech Guy, and some generous forum members we have had the pleasure of being spam free this year.
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+1
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Ha! Our spam filter is awesome. Don't think they are not trying, but the software is blocking them at every turn so far. 8)
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Call it what you will. It looks like he was really pissed off.
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I just spoke with Corey and I will not go into specifics. He is fine and he has said he will email me photos. Truly, a fine friend to have. Thanks, Corey.
I am sure he is fine,that is good to hear!!
Photos are all well and good but losing what I said about a particular gun,or what you had to say about that gun in that thread is LOST..I understand that he may have thought he was just taking what was "his",but he also took everyones info about that particular gun,what they had to add!!
Yes I know,we must go on,but some of us have given a lot of thoughts and information that is gone,and will never get it back..
Many of us helped out with getting the upgrade for the forum so we did not lose the old info,so yes it is a "bummer"..
From an old timer on the forum..
Brenden
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Excellent thoughts and words, Brenden.
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I think at one time or another we have all done something we wish we hadn't or wish we had done it differently and I think this is one of those times for Corey. It is sad what has been lost and may never be replaced but all we can do now is move forward and try and cope with not only the loss of all the information but the loss of a very knowledgeable, respected and well liked member.
John
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All of this could have been prevented by one person.
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I think at one time or another we have all done or said something we wish we hadn't or wish we had responded differently. :)
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There is no question about that, but petulant revenge usually results in a second set of unintended consequences. This is a good lesson for all of us.
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I do not recall that Corey and I ever communicated directly, and as far as I know all of our exchanges on the Forum have been entirely cordial. The link below may contain his final post here, contained as a quotation imbedded in one of mine. It was therefore not deleted during his "purge."
If our exchange was a factor in his decision to leave the Forum, deleting all of his posts and those threads he had originated that contained the posts of others, I am more than a little perplexed. And if that were a factor, I greatly regret that he chose not to communicate with me by private message before doing such a thing.
In any event, I wish him well.
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=5955.30
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Richard,
That minor exchange is disproportional to the alleged response. There have to be other issues outside of the bounds of Rohrbaugh and this forum to warrant such a reaction.
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Lets END this back and forth, if members want to Leave, So Be It, we are here for one reason to enjoy a Good Forum with Good Members,
if members are Not Happy here, have a Nice Life on another Forum. Now Ladies and Gentelman lets get back to Rohrbaugh Business.
Thank You :) :) :) :) :)
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Great idea. If this thread hadn't been started on 1/23 most of us wouldn't have known about it. There must be a message there also.
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All,
I received an email from Corey. He had personal reasons for leaving that have been developing for some time. I am not sure the specifics are relevant or important, or even that I understand all of them. However, he is fine -- he has just chosen to move on.
Corey didn't fully realize what he was doing with the deletions, and didn't intend to delete other members' posts in the process. He didn't think he had the ability to do that -- and frankly the software shouldn't have allowed it. He sends his apologies to the forum for the loss of the information. He has offered to make hundreds of R-9 photos in a Photobucket account available through another forum member, and I encouraged him to do that.
I don't believe any "vandalism" was intended -- only a severing of ties. I believe he would have done this differently if he had understood the impact. However, I have told him that there are no hard feelings.
I agree that we all should move on and not beat a dead horse.
Duane, thank you for the update.
What you wrote above is well received and well written.