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Title: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MICHPATRIOT on April 07, 2015, 01:10:31 AM
The firearm BlogSpot has a shooting example of the Remington RM380...Go over to TFB and check it out. ;)
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on May 11, 2015, 11:19:49 PM
Now on Remington's site:

http://remingtonhandguns.com/rm380#overview
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on May 19, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
Very nice job.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on May 26, 2015, 08:06:25 AM
Here is some more info on the new RM380.


http://bearingarms.com/rm-380-remingtons-big-gamble/
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on May 27, 2015, 07:55:59 PM
Sounds promising. I hope they get this one right after the R51 mess. I was in the factory with the R51 early in it's phase, and kept my true feelings quiet to those around as I was, and still am, an "outsider" to them. History on the R51 whoops is out in the open, so that's that. The RM380 (Rohrbaugh 380 variant) truly looks as if they got it right. . . . . and I am so happy to see that for both sides. . . . . . My side and Remington's side. I wish them success with "our" little gun!  Most of the real work they purchased from Karl and I.   ;)
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: Nra-Life-Member on May 28, 2015, 08:47:26 AM
Shooting the NEW Remington RM380 Pocket Pistol at Gunsite Academy - Gunblast.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AnJAvBEOSc

Remington RM380

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PloJMaooY4c

Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on May 28, 2015, 09:20:07 AM
Looking good. It's amazing what dollars in your pocket can do for R&D. Once they are out for a while, I will be picking one up for myself. . . . . Just because of the lineage.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: PhilZ on May 28, 2015, 06:09:57 PM
I think they got their idea for their RM 380 torture test from my August 2005 post. 250 rounds of UMC

Richard Mann RM380 test on youtube  http://youtu.be/vgGiPZJW78o


Re: Jammed while racking the slide
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2005, 04:20:57 PM »
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Fired my R9S for the first time on Saturday.  Shot 250 rounds  of Remington UMC 115gr and 40 rounds of Speer Golddot 124gr without any failures.  The recoil was not as bad as I expected.  The only thing that did happen was toward the end when my hand was getting tired and my palms were a little sweaty, I didn't rack the slide back far enough because my hand slipped and the round got stuck with the slide open.  This happened twice and I attributed both times to not pulling the slide back far enough.  I don't consider this a design flaw, I consider it user error.  Overall I am very happy with the gun.
Title: They're out - $350 at Academy
Post by: C0untZer0 on June 07, 2015, 05:18:31 PM
http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/remington-rm380-380-semiautomatic-pistol/pid-1589381?color=Black&N=385933177
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on June 07, 2015, 05:37:33 PM
I'm hoping you can get magazines without the extension.

I know some people like those but I'm in the camp that I get a small gun for a reason and I don't want to increase its over-all size with a magazine extension.

Or maybe those come off?

I have to admit I haven't read or listened to all of the reviews.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: tracker on June 07, 2015, 06:06:12 PM
Your first post to the Remington link shows the magazine without the extension; hopefully, it comes either way. I suspect that is the case.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: 72AV8R on June 08, 2015, 08:06:38 AM
I believe the RM380 comes standard with two magazines, one with and one without the extension.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on June 08, 2015, 10:12:46 AM
That is true 72.  ;)
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: gkgeiger on June 22, 2015, 11:43:42 AM
I just called Remington who referred me to Para who said that the gun won't be shipping for a few months yet. Everywhere on the net it says late May/early June.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: rayw on July 06, 2015, 05:17:09 PM
Greetings, RF members.

Just spoke with my LGS manager right in the figurative front yard of Remington's Huntsville Alabama facility and he said the same, a few months away, August or September.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MICHPATRIOT on July 06, 2015, 07:55:34 PM
Really interested in a RM9...want a redheaded stepchild, so I can wring it out and do the kinda  mag after mag till my hand cries uncle practice sessions..you know, the kind that you just don't wanna do to your R9. :o but with a disposable there would be no reason to hold back..LOL ;)
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on July 07, 2015, 10:23:18 PM
Ha haa. . . . There ya go. Have at it!  ;)  . . . . . and have fun!
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on July 09, 2015, 10:18:59 AM
Academy no longer has the RM380 on their site.

Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on July 09, 2015, 11:16:52 AM
Probably because these RM380s are not ready to ship from Remington yet. Perhaps Academy posted them early and did not expect to sell many of them, but they may actually have a winner there if it's done right, so they may have been getting more orders than they expected and decided to remove the ad until they actually arrive in their store. At least that is my view on the subject matter.   8)   . . . . . perhaps.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: Sgt127 on July 15, 2015, 08:18:24 PM
I called Remington. The RM380 will have a carbon steel slide. Really?  C'mon guys. You make a gun designed for deep concealment, could you make the slide stainless?  The barrel is apparently SS. And the first Alabama commemorative will be stainless, but production will be blued.

Love me a blued gun, not for a hideout gun though.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on July 16, 2015, 09:50:25 AM
Greetings, RF members.

Just spoke with my LGS manager right in the figurative front yard of Remington's Huntsville Alabama facility and he said the same, a few months away, August or September.

Sorry I missed this post a few weeks back Ray. Sounds like solid info. . . . . Thank you!   ;)
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on July 16, 2015, 08:25:09 PM
I read on THR - someone spoke to Dan and supposedly Dan said Remington was "improving" the recoil system on the R380

That's what has me worried.  If they would have just followed the original they'd be OK but I don't have any faith that they can make changes and not screw things up
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: cargaritaville on July 16, 2015, 08:36:20 PM
My father always used to say to me "If you want to predict the future, look to the past". Look at Remington's past........
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on July 16, 2015, 08:43:17 PM
I read on THR - someone spoke to Dan and supposedly Dan said Remington was "improving" the recoil system on the R380

That's what has me worried.  If they would have just followed the original they'd be OK but I don't have any faith that they can make changes and not screw things up

Let's face it, the recoil system on a 380 the size of the RM380 need not be too complicated.

The R9 is a different animal altogether.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on July 17, 2015, 11:18:41 AM
I believe they are doing what we were already working on when they made the offer to buy our company. The intent was to go single spring of the flat variety to simplify things. We were also working on the same concept for the R9 pistol.  ;D
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on July 21, 2015, 08:57:03 AM
Cabela's is listing them now with a pretty wide price range of $399.99 to 569.99)

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Full-size reliability and functionality in a pocket-sized package. Remington's RM380 Centerfire Pistol boasts all-metal construction, fixed sights and the longest barrel in its class

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Firearms/Handguns/Semiautomatic-Pistols%7C/pc/104792580/c/553829580/sc/105526980/i/105529680/Remington174-RM380-Centerfire-Pistols/2041486.uts?destination=/catalog/browse/semiautomatic-pistols/_/N-1114851/No-96/Ns-CATEGORY_SEQ_105529680?WTz_st=GuidedNav&WTz_stype=GNP&recordsPerPage=48&avad=55097_e92a3ce2&WT.mc_id=al40661&Subid1=SID&subacctid=40661&subacctname=40661&adname=Custom+Link&adtype=cl&adid=NA&rid=12&WT.tsrc=AFF (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Firearms/Handguns/Semiautomatic-Pistols%7C/pc/104792580/c/553829580/sc/105526980/i/105529680/Remington174-RM380-Centerfire-Pistols/2041486.uts?destination=/catalog/browse/semiautomatic-pistols/_/N-1114851/No-96/Ns-CATEGORY_SEQ_105529680?WTz_st=GuidedNav&WTz_stype=GNP&recordsPerPage=48&avad=55097_e92a3ce2&WT.mc_id=al40661&Subid1=SID&subacctid=40661&subacctname=40661&adname=Custom+Link&adtype=cl&adid=NA&rid=12&WT.tsrc=AFF)

I called Cabela's though and asked them if they actually had the pistol in stock and the guy I spoke to said that not only was the pistol not in any Cabela's stores, the pistol wasn't in their inventory system and he said it didn't look like they were going to get the pistol anytime soon.  I'm assuming their inventory record has an ETA field but either they haven't been given a date by Remington or the ship date is so far out it hasn't but put in their inventory system or something like that.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: rayw on July 22, 2015, 08:24:26 AM
Yeah... Well... speaking of Remington's claim of "the longest barrel in its class"...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iTBjFy8skcQ/Va8KI6EgMkI/AAAAAAAABHA/KxEbFzyq8CQ/s1024-Ic42/2015%25252006%25252029%252520RM380%252520Longest%252520Barrel%252520In%252520Its%252520Class.png)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UUEENACtwDE/Va8JqIyRVQI/AAAAAAAABGo/DWwjBPTucj0/s720-Ic42/2015%25252006%25252029%252520Glock%25252042%252520G42%252520Barrel%252520Length.png)



Not to be a pooper, but "its class" could use some defining since the .380 ACP G42 has a longer barrel.
Maybe Remington defines the RM380's class as being among metal framed .380s, in which case the Bersa Thunder and others might become problematic.
http://guns.gearsuite.com/compare/194-197-457-6213-6443/Bersa-Thunder-380-380-Auto-vs-Bersa-Thunder-Concealed-Carry-380-Auto-vs-SIG-Sauer-P232-380-Auto-vs-Walther-PPK-380-Auto-vs-Glock-42-380-Auto (http://guns.gearsuite.com/compare/194-197-457-6213-6443/Bersa-Thunder-380-380-Auto-vs-Bersa-Thunder-Concealed-Carry-380-Auto-vs-SIG-Sauer-P232-380-Auto-vs-Walther-PPK-380-Auto-vs-Glock-42-380-Auto)
Title: LONGEST BARREL IN ITS CLASS !!!
Post by: C0untZer0 on July 25, 2015, 01:42:42 PM
Yep, I'm hoping someone imports the Tanfoglio FT9 Someday.  Longest barrel in a 380 ACP production gun- 4.6 inches :)
(http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7808.0;attach=1893;image)



Title: Remington RM380 released ?
Post by: C0untZer0 on September 24, 2015, 07:56:47 PM
OK, the last we heard here on the forum, Remington was going to start shipping their RM380 in August or September right?

We're getting toward the end of September now, has anyone heard anything more?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MICHPATRIOT on September 24, 2015, 10:50:39 PM
Still no news...I cant wait to see one in my local gun shop, what Im hoping to see soon after is the 9mm version... Must have one.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on September 25, 2015, 02:59:04 PM
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Im hoping to see soon after is the 9mm version... Must have one.

Eeeehhhh...

I am leery of them even making the 380 ACP version work.  Unless they just ran Carl & Erik's original machinery with no changes, I don't have any faith in Remington that they'll be able to modify the R9 and not have it fail.

The 380 will function with loser tolerances, as far as recoil impulse and things like that.  IMO Carl & Erick ran the 9mm design right up to the limit of how small and how light weight a 9mm semi-auto could be and still function, I think there is zero room for error in making changes.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on September 26, 2015, 08:39:50 PM
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Im hoping to see soon after is the 9mm version... Must have one.

Eeeehhhh...

I am leery of them even making the 380 ACP version work.  Unless they just ran Carl & Erik's original machinery with no changes, I don't have any faith in Remington that they'll be able to modify the R9 and not have it fail.

The 380 will function with loser tolerances, as far as recoil impulse and things like that.  IMO Carl & Erick ran the 9mm design right up to the limit of how small and how light weight a 9mm semi-auto could be and still function, I think there is zero room for error in making changes.

Yep. . . That's about right.  ecr
Title: Remington RM380 released ???
Post by: C0untZer0 on October 05, 2015, 07:58:09 PM
We're into October now!

I think its too early to say for sure, but its beginning to look like they're botching this product rollout.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: tracker on October 05, 2015, 08:45:05 PM

Better to be right and late than on time and wrong like the R-51. Timewise, this may not be the best climate in which to launch new firearms.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on October 15, 2015, 05:35:45 PM
I see where a guy on the Seecamp Forum says he received an email where RM380's will start shipping 11-14-15.

Anyone else heard anything about them?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: mz368 on October 15, 2015, 07:39:31 PM
Here is the link:

http://app.bronto.com/public/?q=preview_message&fn=Link&t=1&ssid=19426&id=0m18v7pp72u5zrtb4o4m7u4qgyjbt&id2=kxz2q704dmjv4eybfxqn6e70lci70&subscriber_id=atqimkkssoyybbgpvvtkerlelfjjbpn&delivery_id=ajdfscwdhremofbcjdtoqgojckhbbpj&messageversion_id=aytnczvwzuvtsrjmlhtijryltnxrbge&tid=3.S-I.CBqTDA.EjHF.Ark6NA..A3lqDg.b..l.BUW8.a.Vh_3cg.ViArPg.wJA2TQ
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on October 29, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
I saw this today on the Seecamp Forum.

http://www.seecamp.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/image_027.jpeg
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on October 30, 2015, 08:23:31 AM
I have serial numbers 098, 099. 100 coming. I spoke with my personal Remington contact and they won't be manufactured before January 2016.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 01, 2015, 06:43:23 PM
The weight on the RM9 was 13.5 ounces IIRC, but the weight on the RM380 is listed as 12.2 ounces.

Does anyone know why the RM380 is almost an ounce lighter?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on November 01, 2015, 07:20:47 PM
Some of the parts are now MIM (mold injection metal) or plastics instead of solid billets of Stainless Steel or Aluminum which were CNC machined.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 01, 2015, 07:27:07 PM
Thanks man
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on November 02, 2015, 07:34:35 AM
My pleasure Good Sir.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 02, 2015, 08:01:07 PM
Breitbart article on the RM380

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2015/11/02/remington-enters-pocket-pistol-market-rm380/

They reported that their pistol has been reliable with a variety of ammo through 150 rounds.  The problem I have with Remington is that their R51 test guns were reliable, but the ones they shipped to the public were not.

I really wish they hadn't put a slide stop on it.  My biggest gripe against the Kahr P380 - and the reason I don't own one is that my hand bumps up against the lever, and it is uncomfortable.  It just seems like a bad combo of the lever gouging my hand and a disaster waiting to happen for my hand to activate the slide stop accidentally.  The way the slide stop lever is on the RM380, I don't think I'd activate it accidentally.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: 72AV8R on November 02, 2015, 08:46:29 PM
Just saw this on Gunbroker.


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=519936341

Finally!
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 04, 2015, 10:10:52 PM
Preppers Guns has them for $340.00:

https://www.preppergunshop.com/remington-rm380-380acp-blued-black-pistol-2-9-barrel-2-6rd-mags.html

I really want one but I'm going to wait until a few guys here buy them and give reviews and range reports  :)
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: mz368 on November 05, 2015, 07:25:37 AM
Prepper's lists the RM380 as illegal in 5 states - CA, CO, MA, MD and NY.  I'm in NY and I find no prohibition against R9's.

Perhaps an internal dealer policy?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on November 05, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Thanks for the link, I went ahead and ordered one for that price.  Nice people and delivered, insured and put on a credit card for under $370.00.

Should be here Monday or Tuesday.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 05, 2015, 10:12:25 PM
MRC, you're the pioneer.

From what I can see they changed the angle of the trigger guard, its now more horizontal, but I don't think they changed the angle of the actual trigger.

One thing I do notice now is the rear of the grip goes higher / close to the slide before it flares out, and they put more of a beaver tail on there so I'm thinking a shooter may be able to get the web of their hand slightly higher on the gun.

I'm wondering if the changes are going to make it not feel like a Rohrbaugh or is here still enough similarity there - especially the trigger, that it still feels like an R9

If it is real similar I think it would be great to train with a RM380 instead of my R9, maybe at the end of a shooting session I'd put a few mags through my R9 but get a lot of meaningful practice with the RM380.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: gkgeiger on November 06, 2015, 11:18:23 AM
There's one on Gunbroker now that is bid to $455, don't get that.  http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=519936341
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on November 06, 2015, 11:42:18 AM
There's one on Gunbroker now that is bid to $455, don't get that.  http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=519936341

I saw that yesterday also.

Prepper's has 5 left and seemed like a good outfit.  I have never done business with them before.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on November 09, 2015, 07:14:47 PM
I picked up the RM380 today.  The finish is better than I anticipated from looking at the pictures.  The trigger mechanism looks the same as the Rohrbaugh.  The trigger feels very much like the trigger on the Rohrbaughs.  I like that.  Here is some pictures.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on November 09, 2015, 07:22:03 PM
The RM380 has a conventional mag release which is OK to me.  It is ambidextrous which I do not like.  The slide catch seems to work fine and I like that feature,

Takedown is the same as a Rohrbaugh and with the double spring and steel guide rod it is very simple.

One feature that I really think is an improvement is the firing pin retainer.  It is very similar to a 1911.  You push in the firing pin where the hammer strikes it and slide the retainer down to remove the pin and spring.  Easy to change the spring and clean everything.

Two black mags, one regular and one with finger grip.

All in all it looks better than I expected.  Anxious to shoot it, hopefully by the end of the week.

He still has not started on my 460 yet, grrr...

Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on November 09, 2015, 07:59:34 PM
Nice grab MRC. Looks good too!  Good Luck with her. . . . . . .
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on November 10, 2015, 08:52:24 AM
I read the manual last night.  No +P or +P+ ammo allowed.

That is disappointing for a low pressure cartridge like the 380 and a gun of that size.  Makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on November 10, 2015, 09:20:16 AM
Once Karl and I get our low serial numbered RM380s sometime around January / February, we will look them over and give you our evaluation as to whether or not +P 380 ammo is ok in the unit or not. They look pretty good so far. Happy about that! . . . . and I'm sure Remington is also!  lol
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 10, 2015, 04:11:40 PM
Looks like the feed ramp on the RM380 has a steeper angle.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 10, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
I'm wondering about the overall length too - is it really jusy .07 inches longer than the original?  They put a little bit of a beaver tail on there.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: cargaritaville on November 10, 2015, 07:54:14 PM
For $340.00 and a semi-endorsement from MRC, I ordered one today. I just had delivered a larger gun safe...so sad to see it so empty...
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on November 11, 2015, 10:05:17 AM
Norm, I have got to shoot it and try it out in my pocket to make sure the mag releases are not a problem before I go further.

The front strap is grooved which is a nice touch.  My Solo is checkered and for +P ammo it really helps.  I wish the R9's had been that way.

The grip screws are a #7 torx head which I like.

I have seen a lot better looking guns, but probably not in the $340 price range.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: gkgeiger on November 11, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Just checked my LGS's and nothing available yet. I guess I'll wait till I get to FL. and check down there. By the way there are 21 on GB. Looks like there all trying to break the bank though.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 12, 2015, 05:41:14 PM
I was able to handle one today, I think the trigger is similar but its not the same.  It starts out the same as the R9 but right before it breaks there is definitely a wall and the trigger is much heavier than my R9 at that point.

Oh and according to the clerk Remington doesn't actually make the guns, they bought out some gun maker and those guys are still making the pistol for Remington.   ::)
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on November 12, 2015, 06:53:01 PM
I was able to handle one today, I think the trigger is similar but its not the same.  It starts out the same as the R9 but right before it breaks there is definitely a wall and the trigger is much heavier than my R9 at that point.

Oh and according to the clerk Remington doesn't actually make the guns, they bought out some gun maker and those guys are still making the pistol for Remington.   ::)

C0unt  -  My RM380 has a little bit of that, but I would not call it a wall.  I think some of that will come out of it with time.

It does not bother me in the least.  This is not a target gun and I use a fairly fast steady pull and it does not throw my dry firing off at all.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on November 12, 2015, 07:10:02 PM
I was able to handle one today, I think the trigger is similar but its not the same.  It starts out the same as the R9 but right before it breaks there is definitely a wall and the trigger is much heavier than my R9 at that point.

Oh and according to the clerk Remington doesn't actually make the guns, they bought out some gun maker and those guys are still making the pistol for Remington.   ::)

I'd like to find out who that "some gun maker" is! That would be very interesting to know. ecr
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 12, 2015, 07:22:20 PM
Hey !

What are you doing wasting your time posting to a gun forum, get back there and make some more guns!


Chop chop!
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: tracker on November 12, 2015, 09:01:19 PM

Maybe it is George Bush.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 12, 2015, 11:03:07 PM
Its kinda scary knowing that for many people, the store clerks are their primary source of information about firearms.

I also looked at the magazines with the extension - I was hoping that it was a piece of plastic that fit on the bottom of the magazine over the floorplate or something but it is the floorplate.  You'd have to replace the plastic floorplate to return the magazine to the non-extended configuration.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on November 13, 2015, 05:17:51 PM
Hey !

What are you doing wasting your time posting to a gun forum, get back there and make some more guns!


Chop chop!

LOL ~ It not us making them!  We're retired now.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: tattoo on November 14, 2015, 01:47:59 PM
Went to local gunshow today and fingered 4 different rm380s....price was from 349 to 400 bucks....gun felt light and ok made...I will not be buying one until they are under 300 bucks..NOTHING BEATS THE REAL DEAL....
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: DanR9SF on November 15, 2015, 01:34:04 PM
Saw two RM380 at the local gun show yesterday ($425) - buddy of mine bought one ($400).  Looks and feels very much like my R9.  We walked through the show and handled many other 380's but the RM380 had the nicest trigger and just felt solid.  The Ruger LCP and KelTec P3AT felt like little toys in comparison, and that 380 ammo sure is tiny. 

I like the RM380 and would get one if I were in the market for a pocket 380.  Nothing else out there (still being produced) comes close.

There is most certainly a void in the pocket 9mm category.  The R9 is (was) in a class by itself.   
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: gkgeiger on November 15, 2015, 01:59:55 PM
Just checked my LGS's and nothing available yet. I guess I'll wait till I get to FL. and check down there. By the way there are 21 on GB. Looks like there all trying to break the bank though.

As of today, there are now 45 on GB, and pricing is getting real.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: backupr9 on November 16, 2015, 11:18:14 PM


(quote: I like the RM380 and would get one if I were in the market for a pocket 380.  Nothing else out there (still being produced) )comes close.Sent from my iPad

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Date: November 13, 2015 at 7:26:56 PM EST

There is most certainly a void in the pocket 9mm category.  The R9 is (was) in a class by itself.   
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IMO a 380, as with a .32, is actually a true "belly gun", ie: useful at 3 to 5 yards max, and contra-intuitively, most effective is use for a brain shot.  There is another even smaller and more brutal (speaking of recoil pain) 380, and that is the Seecamp version which is more available, less expensive and equally effective at the range considered most useful for this type of "mouse gun").  For the minimal penalty in weight and size, I would (and do) carry the Rohrbaugh 9mm R9.  After today's events, I am considering relagating my R9 again to "Backup" and carrying a large calibre/capacity handcun.

Any reasonable comments as to calibre, size/type, vs. conealability from you guys?




Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: cargaritaville on November 17, 2015, 12:11:24 AM
 After today's events, I am considering relagating my R9 again to "Backup" and carrying a large calibre/capacity handcun.

Any reasonable comments as to calibre, size/type, vs. conealability from you guys?

I am sad to say that my R9S will now be in a secondary position when it comes to my EDC. Because of the events of recent days, I feel outgunned. I purchased a Glock 19 9mm. It holds 15+1 or 17+1. 15+1 + an extra mag of 17+1=34. A typical AK holds 30? I went to a concert tonight. My feeling there was that if something happened, I had too few bullets and a gun that I am real good at at 20 feet. Too few feet and too few bullets. My R9S is perfect for my EDC. My Glock will be with me in my truck at all times. I will carry that in what I feel are high exposure places. Sad that we have to live this way now. It would be nice to have a real President to deal with this mess.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: tattoo on November 17, 2015, 12:22:57 AM
After today's events, I am considering relagating my R9 again to "Backup" and carrying a large calibre/capacity handcun.

Any reasonable comments as to calibre, size/type, vs. conealability from you guys?

I am sad to say that my R9S will now be in a secondary position when it comes to my EDC. Because of the events of recent days, I feel outgunned. I purchased a Glock 19 9mm. It holds 15+1 or 17+1. 15+1 + an extra mag of 17+1=34. A typical AK holds 30? I went to a concert tonight. My feeling there was that if something happened, I had too few bullets and a gun that I am real good at at 20 feet. Too few feet and too few bullets. My R9S is perfect for my EDC. My Glock will be with me in my truck at all times. I will carry that in what I feel are high exposure places. Sad that we have to live this way now. It would be nice to have a real President to deal with this mess.
I have done the exact same thing...gen2 glock 19 car and r9 pocket....great minds think alike
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: HLGJr on November 18, 2015, 06:44:31 PM
I purchased a RM380 this week for $359. While reading the manual I noticed they want you to remove and clean the "Firing pin assembly". I have had my R9s for over 10 years and never cleaned the firing pin assembly. I don't recall it even mentioned in the manual. Maybe Eric can comment on this. Herb
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: gkgeiger on November 22, 2015, 07:09:40 AM
$299 plus $35 shipping on GB.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: cargaritaville on November 22, 2015, 12:23:07 PM
I am concerned that my new RM380 has a trigger that feels like I'm reeling in a 30 lb Bluefish...but I like the rest of the gun, especially for the price. Do you think that this should take a trip to my gunsmith?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: HLGJr on November 22, 2015, 12:39:23 PM
My dealers cost was $299. I don't know how they can sell them that cheap.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: HLGJr on November 22, 2015, 12:52:40 PM
Hi Cargaritaville,
My RM380's trigger is almost as good as my R9s. Another RM380 that I held at my dealer's had a rough trigger. There seems to be a big difference from gun to gun. I suppose a gunsmith could fix it.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on November 22, 2015, 01:40:56 PM
I am concerned that my new RM380 has a trigger that feels like I'm reeling in a 30 lb Bluefish...but I like the rest of the gun, especially for the price. Do you think that this should take a trip to my gunsmith?

Norm, no doubt that a Gunsmith could help it.  The trigger on mine is pretty good, but there is a slight increase right before it breaks which does not bother me in the least and I think it probably will get better.

I would shoot the pistol some before I took it to the Gunsmith and see if it changes any.  JMO
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: tracker on November 22, 2015, 04:21:46 PM

John,
In response to your question on 11/16 about a heavier caliber primary carry weapon I recommend the Glock 36 for size, caliber, and concealed carry purposes. Although it is a single stack with six round magazines it is a very handy and accurate pistol, imo.
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g36
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: cargaritaville on November 22, 2015, 05:06:17 PM
I am concerned that my new RM380 has a trigger that feels like I'm reeling in a 30 lb Bluefish...but I like the rest of the gun, especially for the price. Do you think that this should take a trip to my gunsmith?

Norm, no doubt that a Gunsmith could help it.  The trigger on mine is pretty good, but there is a slight increase right before it breaks which does not bother me in the least and I think it probably will get better.

I would shoot the pistol some before I took it to the Gunsmith and see if it changes any.  JMO

I think that I will take your advice. I'll let you know. Thanks.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on November 23, 2015, 12:11:57 AM
The trigger I tried was smooth but then it hit a wall - that's how I describe it.  It took a lot of pressure to get that trigger to break.  It was like my R9 until the very last when it hit a wall (only way I know how to describe it).

Are there gunsmiths who charge less that $100 to even look at a gun nowadays?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on December 02, 2015, 09:21:48 PM
I finally took the RM380 to the range this afternoon.

I shot 20 Hydra Shoks, 24 Hornady Critial Duty, and 42 Walmart Winchester White Box FMJ's.  No failures of any kind and the slide locked back on every last shot.  I used both of the supplied magazines.

After I got used to the trigger, I was able to shoot some descent groups, 3" to 4" at 7 yards.  Mild recoil, I could shoot it all day.

If it had real sights, I think it would be very accurate.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: backupr9 on December 04, 2015, 09:56:23 PM
Thanks, worth a consideration.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: tracker on December 07, 2015, 02:20:28 PM
At Brownells---$329.00 "while supplies last." Now a holiday bargain at $319.00; don't delay.

http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/frame-parts/frames/remington-rm380-380-acp-handgun-w-6-rd-magazine-sku100018453-81910-175279.aspx?sku=100-018-453&cm_mmc=Email-_-Spop-Email-_-lm_12488106-_-www_brownells_com_handgun_part&cm_lm=tbwjr@msn.com&cm_mmca1=BR_Promotions_120715_EDC%20(1)&spMailingID=12488106&spUserID=Mjg4ODI0MTY3NDkS1&spJobID=643210272&spReportId=NjQzMjEwMjcyS0
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on December 19, 2015, 08:13:38 PM
I was cleaning a couple of pistols today and straightening up my reloading bench getting ready to load some 460 Rowlands when I notice my kitchen scale sitting there.

I put the RM380 with an empty magazine and it weighed in at 13.8 ounces.  I got out a R380 and put it on the scale with an empty mag.  It came in at 15.4 ounces which surprised me.  Now the R380 had VZ grips which have to be heavier, but I was still surprised.

Title: Re: Remington RM380 released! Hickock review
Post by: C0untZer0 on January 06, 2016, 01:57:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4Cu_SJTBo
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on January 06, 2016, 02:52:29 PM

I am glad that I am not the only one who had trouble getting it back together the first time.

It took me awhile to see what I was doing wrong at first.  I have never had the same trouble with a Rohrbaugh.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on January 06, 2016, 05:00:18 PM
I've also never had the pin just fall out like that... it always took a push from the other side.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: cargaritaville on January 06, 2016, 05:06:26 PM
At the near end of the video, he shot and hit a gong several times. It looked to me that the gong was about 100 feet out, or more?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on January 06, 2016, 05:19:10 PM
I personally would have trouble with those sights against a black target.  He hit it twice so kudos to him for that.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on January 06, 2016, 06:20:12 PM

That gong is over a 100 yds I would guess.

I can't shoot like him and I am jealous.  There is no way I can focus on those tiny sights and still see that gong.

His hands are huge.  I watched him shooting a 10mm Glock one time and he amazed me.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on January 06, 2016, 09:56:50 PM
It always bugs me when people say they improved the Rohrbaugh design.

They changed it.

Its not like the Rohrbaughs never heard of a slide stop or a side-mounted magazine release.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on January 06, 2016, 10:02:57 PM
It always bugs me when people say they improved the Rohrbaugh design.

They changed it.

Its not like the Rohrbaughs never heard of a slide stop or a side-mounted magazine release.

That's right. . . . . We have heard of such things and decided:  "Less is more".  Slide stop not needed on such a gun and the location of the mag release, for this gun, was in the correct location for it's designed use.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: JR956678 on January 08, 2016, 08:16:42 AM
I've also never had the pin just fall out like that... it always took a push from the other side.

Actually I did have that happen to me with my (very new) RM380, but it was under circumstances that were not something I normally would do. I had just finished a thorough cleaning after my initial range session and before I lubed the (very dry) gun I assembled it - and the pin fell out during a slow rack with the gun tipped "gangsta style".

My manual came with an addendum sheet in the manual which explains how to take down the pistol without any tools and goes on to explain that if you don't want the pin to fall out, put a little oil or grease on the pin before assembling. I never actually assembled my R9 without putting a little bit of lube on the pin first so I really don't know if an R9 pin would similarly fall out, but after I lubed the pin on the RM380, it stays put and you do need to push it out from the other side. I would actually never run that completely dry because there is a metal-to-metal sliding fit of the barrel on the pin.

Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: JR956678 on January 08, 2016, 08:38:54 AM
That's right. . . . . We have heard of such things and decided:  "Less is more".  Slide stop not needed on such a gun and the location of the mag release, for this gun, was in the correct location for it's designed use.

I always subscribed to the Rohrbaugh design philosophy that less is more and the simpler a mechanism is, the less there is to go wrong with it. I was (and really still am) skeptical of each change that Remington made to the design - especially the changed mag release, the slide lock, and the apparent belief that there should be enough clearance in the fit of the take-down pin that you can disassemble the gun without any tools.

That said, at least so far my experience with the RM380 has been that the magazine release - though not a necessary change - does work as intended and I haven't experienced any problems as a result of the change. Same with the slide lock - it's not necessary and adds something else that could go wrong (or not work at all or not work reliably) but so far, my experience has been that it works as it should and works reliably. My jury vote is still out on the take-down pin.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on January 08, 2016, 09:03:45 AM
In my opinion, the RM380 is pointed at an entirely different crowd than the R9.  People buying the R9 had a specific use for it.  The $1200 price did not bother them either.  Most will have many more guns of all types in their safes.

The people buying the RM380 probably have only 2 or 3 guns and will use the Remington as a recreational firearm as well as a firearm for personal protection.  The standard mag release and slide lockback function are a plus for range use.  Not having your slide locked back on your empty pistol at a range can cause for safety concerns by many.  Most purchasers are probably fairly new to the shooting sport.

I personally do not like ambidextrous mag releases for pocket carry.  My Solo has that and it has never been a problem but I still worry about it.

Having the slide lockback separate from the takedown pin looks like a good design to me.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: JR956678 on January 08, 2016, 11:08:27 AM
In my opinion, the RM380 is pointed at an entirely different crowd than the R9.  People buying the R9 had a specific use for it.  The $1200 price did not bother them either.  Most will have many more guns of all types in their safes.

I totally agree - two rather different demographics not only defined by the feature set (heel magazine release and lack of a slide lock) but also by the price of entry. I'm sure we've all seen posts of people complaining about the price of a Rohrbaugh when they could (in their opinion) buy something similar for much less. I always viewed them as simply not in the demographic rather than wrong in their opinion, as we are all entitled to our own. I always saw the value in the Rohrbaugh regardless of selling price.

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The standard mag release and slide lockback function are a plus for range use.  Not having your slide locked back on your empty pistol at a range can cause for safety concerns by many.  Most purchasers are probably fairly new to the shooting sport.

Yes, and there was at least one range I used to shoot at where I had to explain to the RSO that the pistol I was shooting didn't have a slide lock because they had a rule to lock the action open unless on the firing line. I never had a problem there once I showed the RSO what I was shooting, but I did have to explain.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: guncats on February 21, 2016, 02:33:27 PM
I had a chance to handle a RM380 today. The thing felt solid, and I was surprised when I saw the $350 price tag.....

How did they reduce the cost by so much? I noticed the hammer is MIM, is there anything else molded/cast?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: tracker on February 21, 2016, 03:39:25 PM
Subjectively speaking and from a recent bias against Remington products I think that I would buy a Ruger LCP Custom if I were in the .380 market. It is only a few dollars more with a proven design and recent enhancements, such as the new trigger.

http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-lcp-custom-380
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: guncats on February 21, 2016, 10:17:20 PM
but the RM380, paired with hot hand-load rounds, could potentially serve as a practice option for my "now collectible, should be shot very very very little" R9....The side mag release and slide lock on the RM380 can be grind down to be even with the surface.....

Can somebody please post some high-res photos of the RM380 parts? It is hard to believe that they are retailing something with a CNC aluminum frame for mere $350. I would expect at least a few components need to be made by MIM or cast, in order to reduce the cost to that point.

Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: tracker on February 21, 2016, 10:57:52 PM
The answer to your question should be obvious; they can't but they do have a general two year warranty if it doesn't work out with the hot hand loads.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: bamboobob on March 07, 2016, 08:30:11 PM
Hi Cargaritaville,
My RM380's trigger is almost as good as my R9s. Another RM380 that I held at my dealer's had a rough trigger. There seems to be a big difference from gun to gun. I suppose a gunsmith could fix it.


        " There seems to be a big difference from gun to gun. "   
    I tried  two guns,  weeks apart but one seemed to have a lighter pull.

       Would that be spring or fit / finish ? ? ?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: 72AV8R on March 10, 2016, 04:35:20 PM
The April issue of Guns & Ammo has a six page article on the RM 380. Interesting.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: tracker on March 14, 2016, 05:59:10 PM
The title of the article is, "Big Green's Rohrbaugh" which is quite a surprising title.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on March 15, 2016, 08:42:13 PM
The title of the article is, "Big Green's Rohrbaugh" which is quite a surprising title.

They purchased the patents and the rights to the name in firearms and they finally figured out that the name has merit and a serious following, so they are now making use of that fact for their advertising to promote and elevate the brand. . . . . Good for them! I wish them well with our "Little Guy".   ;-)
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: C0untZer0 on April 07, 2016, 01:52:40 PM
Some people on some forums are calling it Remingbaugh or Rohrmington - stuff like that.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: ECR on April 09, 2016, 08:59:56 PM
Interesting. Thank you for the info.  ;-)

Eric R.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: wildmanwill on July 22, 2016, 03:30:52 PM
Did anyone else receive their August 2016 issue of American Rifleman yet?

Page 74, the "Dope Bag" is a 2 page spread reviewing the Remington RM380. The Rohrbaugh roots of this firearm are definitely acknowledged in the article.

I wasn't quite sure where to post this, but since thread had mentioned another magazine's article on the firearm I thought it might be a fitting place.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: legelegel on July 24, 2016, 06:44:12 AM
A major reason why I like the RM380 over my LCP SS or an LWS380 is the ease of the movement of the slide.  It is the only slide my wife is able to pull back.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: legelegel on July 24, 2016, 06:47:55 AM
When do you think Remington will begin manufacturing  and selling a two-tone stainless steel model without the word "Alabama" on the slide?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: legelegel on July 24, 2016, 07:11:35 AM
RM380

Buffalo Bore +P TAC-XP   80 gr   1,226 ft/s
Buffalo Bore +P LFN    100 gr   1,123 ft/s

http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-RM380.htm

In a 3 inch barrel

Speer Gold Dot 9mm 124 gr 1,119 ft/s
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on July 24, 2016, 07:39:32 AM
RM380

Buffalo Bore +P TAC-XP   80 gr   1226 ft/s
Buffalo Bore +P LFN    100 gr   1123 ft/s

http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-RM380.htm

The RM380 is not approved for +P ammunition.  For a pistol that size, I really do not understand why.  It has to be worries over the alloy frame.

Polymer frames are more durable.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: legelegel on July 24, 2016, 07:46:34 AM
RM380

Buffalo Bore +P TAC-XP   80 gr   1226 ft/s
Buffalo Bore +P LFN    100 gr   1123 ft/s

http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-RM380.htm

The RM380 is not approved for +P ammunition.  For a pistol that size, I really do not understand why.  It has to be worries over the alloy frame.

Polymer frames are more durable.

Is the R380 approved for +P ammunition?
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on July 24, 2016, 08:53:31 AM
RM380

Buffalo Bore +P TAC-XP   80 gr   1226 ft/s
Buffalo Bore +P LFN    100 gr   1123 ft/s

http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-RM380.htm

The RM380 is not approved for +P ammunition.  For a pistol that size, I really do not understand why.  It has to be worries over the alloy frame.

Polymer frames are more durable.

Is the R380 approved for +P ammunition?

The R9 magazines and manual specifically say "No +P".  Nothing is said about +P not being allowed in the R380.

I assume since the R9 operates at 35,000 PSI, the R380 should surely work at   24,000 psi.

There is no SAAMI spec on 380 +P, but the norm is standard pressure  plus 10%.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: legelegel on July 25, 2016, 07:28:58 AM
Would someone compare the ballistics of the R9 (which cannot shoot +P) and the R380 with +P ammunition?  I am interested in seeing the dropoff of maximums of power and speed from the R9 to the R380.
Title: Re: Remington RM380 released!
Post by: MRC on July 25, 2016, 08:31:22 AM
Would someone compare the ballistics of the R9 (which cannot shoot +P) and the R380 with +P ammunition?  I am interested in seeing the dropoff of maximums of power and speed from the R9 to the R380.

The two are hard to compare and I do not have any tests with a R9.

Here are some tests that I recently did with a Kahr P380 with a 2 1/2" barrel.  The R380 is about 1/3" longer and should yield 30 fps more velocity.

This is Underwood ammo using the Lehigh Extreme Defense bullet.  The initial tests I have seen show penetration and wound cavity coming close to those of conventional 9mm self defense loads.  The ammo fed, fired, and ejected perfectly in my P380.

Underwood 380 65 grain Extreme Defense STD Pressure -  1195, 1170, 1221, 1209, 1216, 1208, 1207, 1168, 1260, 1081 fps,  Average – 1193 FPS,  SD – 47,      KE –  205 ft-lb

These were fired from a Kahr P380 with a 2 ½” barrel.  Consistency was good except for the last shot.

Lehigh gel tested there bullet as 1150 FPS and had 14” of penetration. Underwood gel tested at 1300FPS and got 15” of penetration.

Underwood 380 65 grain Extreme Defense +P  -  1314, 1278, 1273. 1265, 1332, 1305, 1325, 1277, 1259, 1309 FPS,  Average – 1293 FPS,  SD – 26,  KE –  241 ft-lb

Again, these were fired from the Kahr 380.  Good consistency for +P and a short barreled pistol.  All fed, fired and ejected without a problem.

  https://www.underwoodammo.com/380-acp-p-65-grain-xtreme-defender/