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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: tquieng on October 18, 2009, 10:30:07 PM
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Have 50 round on my new R9s and the frame has a silver 1mm chip of metal off. It is at the metal right side in front of the hamer and is at the corner inside top. If you look straight in the front of the hammer it is the "canyon"--i.e. between the 2 cliffs. I need to figure how to post pictures.
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Go to http://www.picturetrail.com and create an account.
Upload your pictures to it.
Then goto 'image links' and it will have the code that you can just post into a forum, image tags and all.
It's very easy.
I do not have a missing peace of metal or a chip as you describe.
Did you pull the trigger while the slide was off? The frame is aluminum so you could easily break it doing that.
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here is the chip picture
http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2070/12723599/22633753/376336424.jpg
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Not normal. I would call Maria at Rohrbaugh, tell her the problem, and ask her what to do.
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FWIW, my R9s Stealth has that same "chip" missing, along with some other scuffs and scrapes inside the frame and a fairly ugly scratch under the left rail. I've put somewhere around 600 rounds through it total, but all of this seemed to occur during the first 50-100 rounds or so. It doesn't seem to impair function at all, and isn't visible when fully assembled, so I haven't been too concerned.
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I do not even know how the chip occurred --I am an experienced pistol shooter and collector for years and usually can figure out the problem but with this I have no idea how the chip occurs? I agree that it likely will not affect the performance but just like to know if more damage will be going on if I keep shooting this gun.
Can you post your picture of the chip as well and let me look at it?
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I have almost the exact same chip on my stealth. It seems to shoot fine so I also have not worried too much. Do you guys think we should be concerned?
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Mick and and darkwaterkid. Welcome to the Forum. Again as stated above, call Maria at Rohrbaugh and tell her of the problem. She can get advice from Carl and Eric Rohrbaugh and tell you what to do, and if there would be continued damage by shooting. Could also tell you if they can do anything. Customer service is great.
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I think I am goin to put another 50 - 100 rounds through it and see if it gets any worst, I personally think it initially happened on my first range trip and is just the way the parts on my gun "mated". I really don"t feel like sending this thing back to the factory , I"s my every day carry piece and like I said before the pistol seems to fuction fine. Thanks Mick.
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Excellent plan.
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I emailed picture to Maria at Rohrbaugh and should hear from them soon. The chip occurred on the 2nd trip for me --first trip shot 30 rounds and 2nd put 25 rounds in. New gun. I have a feeling is a dent-chip caused by the casing hitting it before it gets ejected. Hope it does not get worst.
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tquieng, will you please post the responce you get from Maria so I know what to do also?. Thank you , at least I am not the only one worried about this!. Mick.
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Yes, let us know, please.
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Got response from Maria and per Mr Rohrbaugh it is normal wear and tear and no way affect the gun.
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But none the less distressing if it is your gun.
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I really thinks is a dent -chip caused by ammo as they are getting ejected out and it turns to the right after hitting the ejector on the left and hit the chipped are just before leaving the gun and sometimes it hits that area. I hope it will not get worst. Please post your pictures also I like to see your dents as well.
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I would send it back to the factory and have them look at it. The R9 is not a cheap gun and compromising is not a good thing.
Further, in my experience, Maria and factory are fantastic at making things write.
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I am a little confused, I also called Maria and was assured by her that it was normal wear and rear on the firearm, and then others on this forum say differently. I would appretiate some other opinions on this matter because I am a little confused on what stance to take. Tquing, I barely know how to turn a computer on much less send pictures but I would be happy to send you a text via cell ph. if you would like to see my "chip". By the way it is in the exact same place as yours.Thanks for all of the input from fellow owners. Sincerely , Mick.
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It is possible that the mark was caused during the machineing
process, was the chip noticed before fireing or was it noticed during cleaning after the first range trip. Has anyone with this chip found any metal pcs.?
John
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The dent was not there before--only after the 2 range trip that I noticed it after trying to clean it. It is a dent about 1 mm and is not just the paint coming off. Please post your photo -- Look at the above instruction how to post picture.
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Mine happened after the 1st trip, I want to trust what Maria said and nor worry about it. I will work on posting a picture of mine , I already have some pictures of it on my cell phone so just give me some time to figure it out. Mick.
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Mine happened after the 1st trip, I want to trust what Maria said and nor worry about it. I will work on posting a picture of mine , I already have some pictures of it on my cell phone so just give me some time to figure it out. Mick.
Mick,
Curt here.
If you can e-mail me the pics from your phone, I'll be happy to post them for you.
curt.dane@sbcglobal.net
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Thanks Curt I just shot you an email,hope you get it.
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Thanks Curt I just shot you an email,hope you get it.
Not yet, you might want to try again.
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I can"t seem to get this right, I am goin to have my wife do it when I get home from work wed. morning , I"m a firefighter so I work 48 hour shifts. Anyway thanks for the offered help Curt, I"m just a moron when it comes to this stuff. I "my wife" will upload pictures wednesday. Mick.
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Here are some more pictures.
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/22633753
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It is subjective but that gouge doesn't look like normal wear and tear to me. Would this be normal on a Glock, H&K, Beretta, or Sig?
The problem is that there isn't much recourse if the factory folks say it is normal.
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Tracker hit it on the head, I believe "or at least hope" it it will not effect the performance . It is just dissheartening to spend $1200 of hard earned money and have this happen within less than 100 rounds through it.
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I agree with you, Mick; that is too much money for this to be normal, especially since it is internal.
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Mick. I would call Rohrbaugh and ask to speak to Carl Rohrbaugh. I agree, also, that the R9 cost too much for this to be normal, as I stated above, NOT NORMAL. I would push this to the last step, and then some, being courteous, as I'm sure you would. Don't give up.
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Concur with those who believe this is not normal. It is also odd that I am the opposite side of the factory on this issue.
R9 is not a cheap gun and factory's response appears to be a cheap answer for them.
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One more point then I'll lay off. If this chip is normal wear and tear why is it so uncommon? These two reports are the first I have heard on this forum. It seems to me that in a CCW the carrier must have full faith and confidence in his weapon. This one leaves me with a nagging question mark as I'm sure it does the owners.
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And also, how can it be wear and tear with only 50 to 100 rounds fired? I'm perplexed by the factorys' answer.
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Anyone have an update on this issue? After my third range trip with my R9s I noticed it has a similar chip now, same place, not quite as big as the one pictured in the thread, but of similar appearance/location. I would say I'm somewhere in the 200-250 round range on mine. While I don't plan on shooting it much, the amount of damage the frame has already taken does concern me. Perhaps there's just no way to make Al take this much abuse. I'd happily give up a couple ounces for a steel frame that didn't have several areas of visible damage after 200 rounds even though it looks like Rohrbaugh is absolutely against it from previous posts. Mine already shows wear/damage to the frame rails, frame deformation above the take down pin, and wear deformation where the barrel drops down during cycling and now this chip in the frame.
I haven't had any functioning problems aside with a few rounds of UMC ammo that showed flat primer pressure signs even thought it's not marked +P and did not extract reliably. 115 gr WWB and GD has run flawless. It does concern me though that I have handguns with 30K+ rounds through them that show less wear/damage than my R9s with 250 rounds does. I keep trying to tell myself it's a pocket gun, designed for low round counts and specific use, and I'lll probalby never get to 1000 rounds in it. I consider it broke in and will just run a couple mags of GD's through it now and then to cycle carry ammo, but it still bothers me to see the frame exhibit this much damage with so few rounds. It certainly does not seem normal wear and tear to me but it seems normal from what other users are posting and Rohrbaugh is saying.
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Here are the pics if it helps out.
(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2070/12723599/22633753/376764056.jpg)
(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2070/12723599/22633753/376336424.jpg)
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I've yet to even shoot my R9 Elite, so I'm probably totally unqualified to respond, but every gun I've own has some sort of wear when shot, even just a few rounds.
It could as minimal as rubbing the finish off of my glocks at the wear points, to as big as the flame cutting above the forcing cone on some S&W revolvers. Usually whatever is going to wear as a result of too much material somewhere in the gun that gets in the way of something else, is going to wear early the process of shooting, then stop.
I would imagine that if Rohrbaugh simply cut a notch out in that part of the frame or rounded that corner off, none of us would see this or be worried about this. But that would add significant time and expense to the assembly of the gun so why bother?
If I start seeing frames cracking or other parts actually breaking, where the gun doesn't function, then I'll be worried.
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After 350 rounds or so I notice a slight worn area in the same spot but nothing like the pictures on this thread. There is something going on there but to varying degrees.
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I followed the good advice given to me on this forum by calling and asking to talk to Mr. Rohrbaugh himself about this problem. Maria then called me back and told me that she had talked to Mr.Rohrbaugh extensively about this issue, according to him this is in no way something that would effect the operation of the firearm therefore is not considered a deffect. This was my second time that I spoke to her about the issue and she reasured me it would not effect the way the firearm shoots. Anyway, that was good enough for me and since I have had no problems with the gun I am not at all worried about it anymore. I also agree that if the company were to simply eliminate a small notch off that little part we would not even think about it. Thanks....... Mick.
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mick. Glad you are at ease with this. Good also to know that this is not a concern of Carl Rohrbaugh. I trust his judgement as I'm sure he has thought this through. I was concerned when you first called and thought something might not be up to par, but now with the reassurance, I think all is well.
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I really think the dent is due to the casing hitting it prior to exit.