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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: TeufelTexan on March 08, 2006, 11:51:23 PM
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Started a new post because I never like it when a negative post goes on, but no one ever reads to the end to see the resolution.
The R9S I had previously posted on had what turned out to be a somewhat serious problem. Turns out mine was one of the lot which were subject to the cracked slide. It was returned to the factory by the dealer and brought up to snuff prior to my purchase.
If you recall from the previous post, I took it to the range and had a few problems. FTF's and FTE's as well as a weird #5/#6 round hangup. Gave her a thorough cleaning and placed the grip tape for round two. Took her out Tuesday and proceeded with more reliablity testing. Fired 2 mags of 124gr GS's with 2 FTF's. Mag 3 fired fine until round #6, when i suffered a show-stopper.
Round #6 fired normally and ejected as well. No additional recoil or report. However, I noticed that the hammer remained to the rear. Inspection revealed that the hammer strut was sheared in two where it met the hammer. I called up the dealer (who had another on the shelf) and let him know that I was coming in. He is handling the return of this pistol to the factory.
I surmise that flex or torque on this part may have contributed to the cycling issues on the pistol. Perhaps causing drag on the underside of the slide as the handgun returned to battery.
***** NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS *****
This handgun was replaced by the dealer with his one remaining R9S.
I immediately took my replacement pup to the range.
[glb]THIS IS THE PISTOL I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR!!!!!![/glb]
Gave it a quick breakdown and inspection. Added a tiny bit more superlube to the hood of the barrel as it seemed to have been worn off in handling at the shop (the lube, that is).
Stoked her with a full box of 115gr WWB(Cheap for break-in), FLAWLESS!!! (not entirely true - the range master had 2 FTF's with the one mag he fired per his request. This weapon had not been "taped" yet, and it was obvious that he was having grip issues. He was doing gun maintenace prior to shooting and I am pretty sure he had oil on his hands. BUT MY MAGS WERE FLAWLESS - AND SHE'S ALL MINE!!!!)
Fed her an additional 40 rounds of Federal 124gr Personal Defense Hydrashock. - AGAIN, FLAWLESS!!! (Bored with GDHP and had these left over from the Kahr I traded in on her. Tried this due to the recent writeups stating that this load was developed for better performance using shorter barrels - If anyone knows any issues with this load, please let me know. I'll check R9SCarry's Ammo Test and other sources before I make a final decision.)
Due to this performance, the pup rides on my hip as I type. I do intend to get her to the 200 round range with equal results before I bow down to the Brothers Rohrbaugh - but I fully expect this weapon to get me there. (And I ain't to proud to admit that this weapon is a marvel of engineering. BRAVO!)
As an aside, the dealer tells me that his dealings with the factory have been very positive. I maintain that this type of thing can happen to any machine. I have personally spent several hours on the range helping a friend get his new kimber to function, mine is in the 2,000 round range without a hiccup.
So the end result is that I have what appears to be a reliable and fully functional R9S. Another gentleman was in the dealer's shop and asking for a very small and concealable 9mm. The dealer showed him the R9 and explained the issue with it. Despite the issue, I think this gentleman has dibs on the R9 if it comes back.
I certainly did not intend this post to highlight a negative experience. I just wanted to show that my previous "less than stellar" experience was likely a twist of fate. I also wanted to show that my new R9S is a fine handgun...
Thanks again for all of the tips and encouragement. Looking forward to many more informative posts from all of you!
Thanks,
TT
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TeufelTexan
Thanks for taking time to write the followup story. I'm glad you got past the bad start.
Looks like you have a winner.
Bill
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TT:
Good report! Thanks for the followup, and welcome to the "club" -- the growing number of us who own flawless R9's.
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TT, thanks for your follow up report, sounds like you now love your pup.
Tom
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TT, Good to hear all is well. Thanks for the follow up. Dan
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TT
Enjoyed reading your post - welcome and post often.
Dave
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TT
Did your slide actually crack before being sent back?
I've wondered if Rohrbaugh contacted any owners who have
R9s where slides might crack and ask them to send them back.
Reason I wonder is that we know there were a small number of slides produced from a defective metal stock.
So Rohrbaugh knows what guns may have problems.
Does anyone know if Rohrbaugh contacted owners of guns with potential slide problems?
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Dave - I get the impression that R Bros probably cannot trace any suspect slide guns - because the SS billet material was probably not logged on a ''per gun'' basis. If it was then I think they would have followed up.
By the nature of the crack region tho, one thing I do feel is that any slide that should happen to go that way will not compromize function, initially at least, and so from a safety/defensive standpoint, presents no loss of reliability if gun was actually needed in extremis.
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Did your slide actually crack before being sent back?
I've wondered if Rohrbaugh contacted any owners who have
R9s where slides might crack and ask them to send them back.
My Dealer had two R9's on the shelf. It is my understanding that one of these was sold and suffered a cracked slide within the first 30 rounds. The dealer contacted the factory and was asked to send both R9's in for refit (the serials were only two numbers apart).
Both pistols were returned to dealer as new, including new warranty slips.
The first R9 I had (the one with the prob's) was apparently the previously cracked slide. I spoke with the rangemaster who was present when it cracked and it appears that the owner may have gotten through several rounds (if not a full mag or more) after the crack occured. I wonder if perhaps the tolerance change during firing with the cracked slide may have contributed to the fractured hammer strut that occured under my ownership as I am unsure which components were replaced during the refit. I would assume that the lower was unchanged.
The second R9 (which I now have) was unfired except for the factory tests. This one was refit before a crack developed.
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Thanks TT
Chris I was wondering because my Farmingdale R9 was NIB but the original owner sent in the warranty card so the factory can't associate me with the gun. A poster on the forum had one that developed a crack with a SS# that was two off mine.
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Hard to tell Dave - because it does seem that close SN's may not actually indicate much at all!
But wait - if yours was Farmingdale slide then seems probably it could have been made way before the cracked slide issue came to light. I know Eric told me a long time ago that SN continuity was patchy, due to when frames came in etc. For instance one set of frames that went off to be re-done last year IIRC could well have been earlier numbers and then when used come back into the flow of output well out of sequence.
Just talking to self! ;)
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TT,
Glad the "new" pup is to your liking!! :)
As far as the "cracked" slide situation,I own 2 Deer Parkers,back to back #s that as far as I know,are smack dab in the midst of the "bad stock"
I carry one and the other has resided in the safe.. ;)
I have not had a problem as yet with the one I am shooting,and do not expect any.. ;D
Brenden
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Hi TT, glad you like your pistol.
Since you asked, a comment on the ammo. Hydrashok "personal defense" ammo is, In my opinion, a poor choice for carry ammo. There are two issues. First, this stuff is loaded a little lighter to reduce recoil. Second and more importantly, the bullet itself is made using an old technology. Newer bullets have the jacket bonded to the core to prevent seperation when the target is hit.
Speer GDHP ammo is among the very best self defense ammo available. Also extremely good is Federal Tactical and Winchester Ranger. My personal favorite in 9mm is Winchester RA9T. RA9T is standard pressure 9mm ammo that performs very comperably to +P 9mm ammo. I use it in my R9 and it works nicely.
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Both pistols were returned to dealer as new, including new warranty slips.
Selling refurbs as new?
Dell Inc got into big trouble for doing that with computers.
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TeufelTexan
I'm glad it worked out for you. The R9 is a great concealed carry 9mm pistol. I am one of the earlier R9 owners that had a cracked slide and other problems. The Rohrbaugh brothers took care of it for me, and now after about 150 rounds my PUP is still working fine. Although I am following Eric Rohrbaugh's suggestion of, "...to be carried a lot and fired little." Those may not be his exact words, but I get his meaning. I've posted on this subject in the past. It works for me.
It sounds like you have a great dealer if he sent your R9 back for repairs! I had to pay $35 to ship mine. Rohrbaugh paid to ship it back to me.
I've done some informal ammo testing (like firing into wet phone books, through cloth, plywood, sheets of steel, etc)with my R9. I've found the most reliable, best performing ammo is the Speer GDHP in either 115gr or 124gr. The Fed Hydra Shok doesn't seem to expand or penatrate as well, and I have had some jacket seperation with the Fed HS, but not with the Speer GDHP.
Best of Luck
Ed
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Hi Folks: Though this was a good place to update on my new R9's problems. (see my "Maiden Voyage with ne R9" post in New Guy Here). When I was about to disassemble and clean, I noticed the dreaded CRACKED FRAME! It is a hairline on right rear from 1st serration around back(thru frame)to top of thinnest part of frame rail. I am shipping to factory as per Maria.
Wheras, this is upsetting, I am grateful to the Forum members, such as TT, who have enlightened me on these issues. I will keep a positive outlook, as others ultimately have had a positive outcome. Had it not been for this forum, I may have been very put off by this gun. I have have a Glock, and have had a Sig, as well as good wheelguns and never had significant problems. I really would like to have utter confidence in the R9 as I do with my G27. I do own a KT P32, but that is another story. Larry
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Larry,
Thanks for the update.
These things happen. I know that all brands have had some pretty bad defects. My brand new Beretta 92FS Inox, on the very first outing, had jams all over the place. I never got through a single magazine. There was a burr on the extractor.l
I'm sure the factory will test it very well, and hope you are off to a perfect start when it comes back.
Bill
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Hi Folks: Though this was a good place to update on my new R9's problems. (see my "Maiden Voyage with ne R9" post in New Guy Here). When I was about to disassemble and clean, I noticed the dreaded CRACKED FRAME! It is a hairline on right rear from 1st serration around back(thru frame)to top of thinnest part of frame rail. Larry
Is it a cracked frame or is it the slide?
I haven't heard of any cracked frames up to this point.
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Yes Larry - are you describing the slide? - sorta sounds like it.
The few slides that had a crack develop were in the area from first groove to the rear - it is pretty thin there, tho I have always thought very low regarding stress. So for a crack to occur it does suggest one of the few metallurgically compromized slides went out.
It seemed that there were a few billets of stainless that were some time ago not quite up to spec' but of course once machined there was no way to easily identify one from another - so am thinking perhaps one of these crept thru. Impossible to pick up even with the high QC they apply.
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Larry said it best: "I really would like to have confidence
in the R9 like I do my Glock 27". Recognizing that the
Glock is a different animal and mass produced, I would
guess that it is intrinsically more reliable than the R9.
I would like to hear that zero defects is aggressively
being pursued rather than to see new grips, finishes,
and price increases. After all, which is the most important
consideration in a CCW?
BTW, I have had minimal problems with mine. It just
seems that 2, 3, or 4 percent failure rate or whatever
it is should have the highest priority; Sales will follow.
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I agree, tracker.
Nothing is more important than 100% reliability.
My R9 is at 62 rounds total, and so far it has always functioned perfectly. My goal is to reach about 200 rounds and then mostly keep it clean and oiled for emergency use.
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Hey All: I meant crack in SLIDE. I am more calm and collected now. It will be in the Brother's arms tomorrow. Thanks for all the feedback. Larry
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Larry - so sorry to hear you are one of the few slide cracks. I know it doesn't make you feel any better.
What is your approximate SS# -- example R135# - Is it one of the recent made guns.
Since I have two R9s I figure I am covered if one has to go back - which I hope doesn't occur - but if it does it does.
Dave
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My R9s is a black frame Deer Park #124X. It is my understanding that this does not tie it to a particular production date. I do hope the factory chooses one from the kryptonite billets. Larry
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It is good to see you were taken care of.
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Hello Arizona. Welcome to the Forum, and thanks for the reply. I have been a member almost a yr, but was inactive at times because I only just obtained my R9. Do you have one yet, or deliberating/educating? Larry
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Arizona: Just read your previous posts. So I answered my own question. Keep contributing to the collective knowledge, as I will do also. Larry
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I have two ordered and waiting for them to be shipped from the factory. I have been researching the best defensive ammo to shoot and will be posting my experience with it.
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Arizona: Best of luck with the litter of pups when you get them. At least one and probably both will run well for you.
Meanwhile Forum Folks, as I informed you, the new pup w/cracked slide went back to the factory on Tuesday the 2nd. (at their expense). I got it back today! It is my same frame of course, with new slide. I cannot tell if there is new barrel or other parts. It all looks brand new, clean and lubed. I never got to disassemble and clean after the range. Did not want to mess with it at all after I saw the tiny fissure. The invoice just says Warrenty Repair $0.00. I cannot wait to try it again this wk.end.
The customer service is nothing short of outstanding! If only other important things would go like that. Absolutely elegant. I feel as though I am in partnership with the factory on fixing problems. I phoned Maria today and only was able to leave a thank you message. I will call or write them later, but will wait to see how things go at the range. I will report that here of course. Larry
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Larry - amazing turn around!
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Larry - that is outstanding - and yes, I think quite often we as owners do feel we are part of the whole R family!
Hope very much all is well when you get to shoot it - allow maybe for a bit of break in again if recoil spring is fresh.
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Hi, All: I went to the range yesterday to test gun returned from factory. They replaced slide, and "tweaked" the springs. I ran 3 mags with 6 rnds. and had FTF on same rnd. each time, but gun was right on target. I was able to pull slide back slightly and then it would feed stuck round. I may have limp-wristed in my effort to rapid fire. However, one mag was shot one-handed with same result. I finally ran one mag of Win Silvertips which I have had for years. They ran flawlessly! I believe Maria told me that Eric Rohrbaugh uses Silvertips in his gun. However, she said: "But Not the 'white box'. Does anyone know which box she would be referring to here, and if it is currently made in standard pressure. BTW, the report and recoil on the ST's and GD's very similar. My first concern with defensive carry is that it go Bang! Even if round is older tech. I cleaned and lubed again. No trouble with dis-assemb.or re-assmb. Thanks to you folks on the Forum. Larry
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Larry,
She meant WWB (Winchester White Box). They are white with red printing, as I recall. They are commonly found at Wal-Mart and are very economical.
You might see them say Winchester USA. Good for practice.
I'm glad the Silver Tips are working well.
Bill
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Not that I recommend it but I have fired 1 or 2 mags of
wwb at the range and they worked fine.
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The Silvertip Box - they are standard pressure:
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/melissa1948/P1000866.jpg)
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Thanks Bill, Dave and Tracker for reply. I have not run into this box yet. Have used various white boxes from Wally World. Dave," a picture is worth a......", thanks. Did you have to post photo to a website before loading on forum thread/post? BTW, I recently read through Outside My Windows III & IV. Glad to be a member of this forum when I read great stuff like that. Gratefully, Larry
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Larry
To post a picture you need to place it on a host site - I use Photobucket. Go to this link to R9SCarry's FAQ site - a lot of info there and Chris showed me.
http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/rohrbaugh/basefile/pic-post.htm
RJ has posted some good directions in the past on posting photos - maybe he will repost them.
If you want to see how "Outside My Windows" got it's name you would need to go to to "OMWI - A Magical Morning" (the first one).
Join in often Larry.
Dave
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I have had no problems with shooting either the WWB-USA brand,or the STHPs ;)
In either of the pups that I have shot regularly,I have not had a problem with GDHP 115s either..
Wish you well in finding the proper feed for your pup!! 8)
Brenden