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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: MurrayNevada on May 21, 2004, 10:03:46 PM
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What are you guys having success feeding your R9?
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Great question! I'd like to hear range reports ASAP from those lucky enough to have theirs.
I suspect, the lighter bullets will be preferable?? I was thinking about using the Pow'Rball load (100gr, 1475fps, 483 ft/lbs - from test barrel). Not sure what it'll do out of the short R-9 barrel, but I think the polymer ball will aid in HP expansion.
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Isn't the Pow-R-Ball ammo from Cor-Bon a +P load. I'm not sure Rohrbaugh recommends using +P ammo.
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Yes, it is. I was thinking of carrying it as a defensive round. Fire a couple to see how it does in the R-9 and put the rest in the magazine for defensive use.
General plinking (which will not be frequent), I'll most likely use the Winchester Valu-pak from Walmart.
A reloader could always pull a few of the Pow'Rball bullets and reload them at standard pressures. Hey, that would be a great FS item here on the forum! ;D
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RBCD and MagSafe Defender cartridges are both standard pressure.
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Sorta repeating myself .. having posted this elsewhere but ..... my range teat ( http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=81781 ) .... dealt with 8 ammo types I had on hand. The Golden Sabers came out very well and are currently in use as a carry load. You will notice in the results if you go peek .. that WWB is remarkably good re small spread and ... ft lbs is about on a par with the Golden Saber .. so to me that's an excellent practice load at a good price.
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Speer Gold Dot 115 grainers have been flawless, as have the 147 g's. Glaser safety rounds (blue or gray tip) also have been reliable in mine. And I agree, MagSafe works too.
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I've been using Winchester 115 Gr. Target/Range FMJ ammunition ("WWB") for practice and Remington 147 Gr. Golden Sabers for the carry load. Like R9SCarry, I've been impressed with the performance of the Golden Sabers.
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I'm still waiting for Richard's bride, "The Judge" to claim his Rohrbaugh as her own.
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George:
I've got a free pass on that matter. "Her Honor" is a petite little lady with very small hands and a strong aversion to recoil forces. In a moment of weakness last month, I offered her the choice of my Guardian .32 or my Seecamp .32 if she would agree to carry something larger than her NAA MiniMag. After examining them both, she said she preferred the feel of the Guardian over the Seecamp and agreed to try it out at the range. She did that a few days later. When I got home that night, she thanked me for my offer but declared that she had decided to stay with her NAA MiniMag. (Once again, I tried not to let her see me smile.)
RS
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Hi Richard:
You and the Judge need to properly break in the couch.
Although she may not like recoil, ammo like RBCD has less recoil than a JHP or a FMJ and would give her, and you, greater confidence of her ability to stop a bad guy.
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George:
I keep looking for RBCD in my corner of the world but haven't found it yet. I'll now try to order it on line. From what I have read, and from your comments, it has to be good.
RS
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Since I received my R9S I've put about 200rds of PMC 115gr ball thru it and 40 rds Federal 115gr 9BP, this is THE hp that most testers use as a standard of judging accuracy. Now I'm going to ask R9SCarrys help in posting the range report I posted on THR. Computers and I are like oil and water. PMC for practice and Federal for carry. BTW, I use my R9S as a BUG, which for me means 100% reliability shooting one hand, weak hand only. This pistol meets that standard.
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hey Bob!! Welcome! :)
Hmmm .. your range report ... well I'll help that's for sure but ..... I am not sure of URL to find it and .. could be as easy as anything to post a relevant URL here ... so guys can go over and peek.
OTOH if you want to bring it over here then I'll assist but - still need a URL to find it!! Get back to me on that.
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R9SCarrys, I don't know how to "post" a link to let people see my report on THR. It is posted on the Autoloader Forum under My Rohrbaugh, Range Report and Impressions by Texas Bob. As I said I "computer challenged."
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Texas Bob
This link may work
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=d33d704a34f4962a6deabb79e3144bbb&threadid=84012&highlight=rohrbaugh
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RJ - thx for sorting that out .. in fact by some fluke I had even missed seeing Bob's thread originally. Rare event! I am now up to speed. Nice Bob . very nice.
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Out of interest Bob . for future ref ..... if you want to post a link do the following ... but replace my curly braces with square ones like this - [ ,and ] . OK.
Copy the full URL you want from another browser .... and insert (paste) that URL into these tags ... I'll just put ''My URL'' inside for this example. ........
{url}My URL{/url}
Also - if you have an image you wish to show and a URL for it that allows ''hot linking'' (most do) ... do this .....
{img}Image URL{/url}
Hope this helps you.
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Does anyone have any R9 chrono data on the Speer Gold Dot 9mm rounds (115 and 124gr standard pressure)?
If not, R9sCarry, would you be willing to chrono some? I'm happy to pony up some funds for the ammo.
I'm curious if it can hold it's own velocity-wise with the Golden Sabers.
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FJC ... welcome :)
Well I have yet to get some God Dots, tho am quite interested to do some testing and see myself how they compare. Trouble is, my local FFL has not much choice in SD ammo and I'd have to be near one of the shops further afield. I will tho try and find some.
Other option is ... maybe before I get some, one or two others who have a chrono might well take up the challenge. Either way yeah .. we do need figures I agree.
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R9SCarry:
IM me an address and I will priority mail you a box of 50 Speer Gold Dot 124gr. Well worth the small cost for your testing and results.
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Hi Richard:
RBCD is an interesting product. Originally developed for use by the military in urban warfare situations, it was intended to penetrate light armor and body armor but expand and break up in a fluid rich enviornment. The military/LEO version has no lead. The civilian version has lead.
The idea is simple. In a jacket is placed a plastic plug. A bullet made of powdered metal held together in a plastic matrix is loaded. When the bullet hits a fluid rich enviornment, the plastic plug forces the bullet to expand and break-up.
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Hi Richard,
I am sorry but I didn't pick up on your earlier post. I just reviewed it after reading George's post. When I ordered my RBCD ammo in different calibers over the period of the last two years, I called the company and talked to their president Roscoe Stoker, who is a heck of a nice guy. I would recommend that you do the same. While I haven't done any extensive tests because of the cost, their stuff seems to be much better than anything else I have used. I intend to carry it in my R9s when I get it.
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R9scarry, pm me your address and I'll order a box or two of the 115gr Gold Dots and have them shipped right to you (sounds like someone else has the 124gr covered!)
Thanks,
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I've been using Silvertips. I asked Eric for a recommendation - without actually giving a recommendation, he said that this was what he and Karl carry. Karl's has a couple thousand rounds of Silvertips through his as I understand.
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George and Shooter:
Thank you for the information on RBCD. I shall be calling Mr. Stoker to order a supply. Meanwhile, I've been using the 147 Gr. Golden Saber JHPs for my R9S. There is something comforting in the idea of a 147 Gr. JHP 9mm bullet cruising along toward its target. While I haven't chronographed the round, it has been very impressive during my range sessions.
RS
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Richard, have you shot the lighter Speer Gold Dot 124gr.
It would be interesting to know if the recoil is much less..
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RJ:
I was looking at the Speer Gold Dots at the Saturday morning meeting of the "Regulars" at my local FFL's shop this weekend, but I did not buy them. After a flurry of activity at the range after taking delivery of my new "toy," I have had to leave it in the gun safe while its grips are reproduced in sterling silver. I know it is a conceit, but I am indulging myself in my old age -- for the same reasons I have asked you to stamp my initials into each one of the elegant holsters you have crafted for me, including that beauty which you made for my R9s.
I'll go back next weekend and load up on the Gold Dots. Then, when I have some grips back on the Rohrbaugh, I shall test them against the Golden Sabers, the RBCDs, the Glasers, and the Silver Tips.
RS
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RJ:
I have had to leave it in the gun safe while its grips are reproduced in sterling silver. I know it is a conceit, but I am indulging myself in my old age
RS
Hey, you're making it more unique for you, you are paying for it, and you are giving someone some work to help keep their family fed. Doesn't sound conceited to me at all. :)
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Frank .. have responded to your message . thx for that and the offer. When I get the 124's from Mike I'll let you know and then very likely take you up on that offer for 115's ...... Actually - more I think about it now in fact - the more comprehensive this'll make our evaluation.
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One box of 115gr Gold Dots is it's way to you. Also, a box of Federal Classic 9BP 9mm. It's somewhat highly regarded as a great performer amoung the non +P 9mm rounds.
I suggest a new sticky post compiling all the chrono data. :)
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FJC:
I appreciate your perspective. The master jeweler who is crafting the silver grips for my R9s has told me that he appreicates the business. (He also made the silver grips for my G380.)
In my declining years, I have admittedly become more self indulgent. Nonetheless, for one born in the Great Depression, it sometimes worries me. One of my old COs used to criticize me for my tendency to "personalize" my "stuff." However, I'm still here -- he isn't. (And I am considering having the slide of my R9s engraved with my name on the right side and one of my two Latin mottos on the left -- which one I haven't decided.)
And so, I shall see if my jeweler friend can pull this R9s grip project off as well as he did for the G380. (He had better be able to pull it off, because I have already told Karl and Eric that I would send them photographs.) My jeweler friend is good and, assuming that he succeeds, I shall post a photo of the results -- together with the magnificent holster which my friend, RJ Hedley, has crafted for the weapon.
I'm out of here -- for now.
RS
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OK guys ..... proposed ammo testing - heads up.
Murray Nevada and FJC have both very generously offered to send me some ammo for evaluation in the lil pup. It is more than generous ..... both directly for me but also because it will allow for some most valuable tests - the results of which will (I hope) benefit us all.
Emphasis will be on Gold Dots - 115's and 124's.
I plan to get some raw chrono data but within that try and also get some accuracy data as well ... making allowance for fact that even with gun rested, my old eyes may not yield quite the ultimate in sighting!
All being well too ... and it's not the ideal test, but - will try and get some wet newspaper bundled up to get some sorta feel for expansion. I'll add a coupla Golden Sabers in on that too if poss because they will add to comparitive data.
Might be a few days before I get to range and .. I'll probably endevor to accrue info on all before I post. That way we will have a good load of info in one place for later reference. Plus ... might be better not too get a sore hand from excessive throughput all on same session!
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FJC:
You are correct about the Federal Classic 9BP 9mm. I have used them for years. They feed in the most finicky pistols (OAL and ogive closely resemble ball) and are known for reliable expansion. Now that I think about I wonder why I am using more expensive ammo.
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R9SCarry:
I would like to contribute to your project. I am particularly interested in the chrono results of the 147 Gr. Golden Sabers. I have some left, but the easiest way to support your generous offer and effort would probably be for me to send you a check to purchase a box for testing. I have blocked my e-mail address for reasons primarily to do with my wife's occupation, but Duane has it on record. How do we get this done?
RS
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Richard:
R9SCarry has told me the difficulty is the unavailability of Gold Dots, Sabers, and other comparable ammo in his area. It may be easier to order it and have it sent directly to him.
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MurryNevada:
Good idea. All I need are coordinates. Shipping may take a week or so. (R9SCarry: As we used to say in my CB days, "Got your ears on?")
RS
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Richard ... yeah ... ''got my ears on'' ....... if a bit tardy!! heck - I gotta go get some sleep soon!
Well ... I did some 124 Sabers ......... in my report ......
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=81781
on THR. But for sure .. the 147's would be well worth testing out .... all ''grist to the mill'' eh.
I'll message you Richard . If you want to help - as is I hope apparent, I am willing to do the donkey work on the testing . so ...... I'll be in touch.
I appreciaste all the kind input here re ammo ... but as hopefully will be obvious later - this is really a cooperative effort - such that we all get to enjoy the extra data. It'll help many newcomers too who wonder what to use and carry.
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Chris:
Any news on the Gold Dots?
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Mike ....... Thought for a minute I hadn't let you know they'd arrived safely! They did of course and I emailed.
Well .... eventually ''escaped'' office today and off to range ...... so hang on fellas ...... some data comin soon.
I set the afternoon aside, but got a bit held up because a guy was at range doing some rifle testing ... and with that and his wish to chat ... lost me some time!!
Anyways .. I have a mass of data now to sort thru, and then write up. I am not sure whether in fact to do it in HTML and give people a link, because it'll be long to post, and numerous pics of targets etc. We'' see .... but results coming soon as I get it all put together .. time consuming this stuff!!
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Chris:
Looking forward to your data. It is indeed a good day when we can "escape" and spend some time at the range. I enjoy in now more than ever.
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Well . I sure enjoyed my session but gotta say ... a test program is somewhat more like ''work'' than a plinking session!!
I am scanning small targets .. in hope they'll add info a bit. Also took quite some while to dissassemble the wet newspaper pack .... to find bullets .... the results will I think prove quite interesting. Oh - then wash recovered bullets too. Yet to take the pics of those.
Then .. copy out all the chrono data.
Sometime tomorrow .. hope to''publish'' ... just had too much to get done tonight to get thru it all!
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I use the 9mm RBCD Tactical and sent a box to Rohrbaugh form them to try.
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I would be interested in whether the original RBCD 9mm LE armor piercing rounds can be used in the Rohrbaugh since I have some and would like to carry them in the R9s. I had intended to ask Eric about them, and Glaser rounds, last Thursday when I talked to him on the telephone but forgot to ask. My memory is getting worse in my old age. Before I make important phone calls I find that I make out better when I write down my questions in advance.
Frank
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I asked the Rohrbaughs some time ago about Glaser, Magsafe, etc. type ammo and they replied in E-mail that they had not yet tried it.
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Glaser, Magsafe, Corbon, and a host of other loads are +p or +P+. RBCD is loaded to standard pressures so is safe in a Rohrbaugh.
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Update on my range test #2. Due to amount of data and the need to present it as clearly as possible - I have been assembling some pages in HTML. I have a couple more to do and then test it all to see if links all function. Then upload to server.
I hope therefore to be posting a link very soon .. maybe tomorrow now. Sorry - this takes quite a bit of time.
Mike, Frank ... soon ... soon! :)
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Mike, Frank ... soon ... soon! :)
No problem from me - take your time and do it up right. I'm not in a big hurry, I'm still months from getting my R9s. :)
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Magsafe Defender cartridges are standard pressure. Magsafe does produce +P cartridges as well.
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Is there an additional range report here that I am missing?
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I'm a fan of Extreme Shock ammo, particularly the "fang face" stuff (Mullins Ammunition, Clintwood, VA). Results are devastating, with no shoot-through/over-penetration. However, the stuff would not reliably feed in both my Kimbers (.45), Kahr (.40SW), the R9S, or my PPK/S and NAA Guardian (.380). I contacted Jeff Mullins (company pres.) about this, and he told me that they have reconfigured the shape of the bullet to make it less round-nosed and more elongated (more like ball ammo), and kindly invited me to return my unfired ammo (all calibers) to him for an exchange for the new stuff. Extreme Shock is expensive (+$1.00/per round), and I wanted to publish this excellent customer service in case any of the rest of Rohrbaugh owners might be interested in the ammo.
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R9SCarry:
I placed an order today for a supply of 147 GR 9 mm Remington Golden Sabers to be sent to you by Cabelas. You should have them in a week or so. I have also sent you a PM confirming the order.
Thank you for your willingness to undertake the testing project.
(I enjoyed the photographs and the account of your biking weekend. That is one beautiful bike you have there!)
RS
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Musician ... thx for the mention of the Extreme Shock ... could be despite price .. I may have to investigate it later ...... of course it is vital that it feeds right! :P
Richard .. thx a lot for the offer ... we have exchanged PM's so are up to speed. As I said, I'll let you know when I receive and . then when I can go do some more tests.
The bike? Yes sirree . one beaut' machine ... tho a ''rice burner'' and not a Hog! It was a superb weekend ... and as I said to my wife and son ... ''one for the memories book''! :)
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Chris:
If you are not going to be testing the Remington GS 147gr for a while, I think I have some Rem GS 124gr. After seeing the work involved in your ammo tests I would think you want to do it as few times as possible. Let me know.
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Mike - well, I guess w'eve done the 115's .. and 147's on the menu so yeah - could be more complete to check a few rounds of 124 .... but seems a lot of hassle having people send stuff, much as I appreciate it.
I reckon tho even a modest 10 rounds would ''help the cause'' ... and that in a bubble wrap in envelope wouldn't be too hard to mail hopefully.
Up to you Mike but - sure would help fill the gaps. Thx.
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Chris:
You've done different Gold Dot bullet weights in your testing and I figured if you were going to Test Rem GS it would be easier to do 147gr and 124gr. at the same time. I have to take a look for the 124gr. I'll let you know.