Let's not get too discouraged. I'll repeat what I found out a couple of months ago - that CT is looking for 3500 + requests to earnestly begin the process of making any particular grip model. I got the impression that less than that number would not be a problem if the interest shown is fervent enough - and there's a reasonable expectation of ongoing future demand with little chance of gun manufacturer design change causing obsolescence. I'm very curious to know if anyone has info on whether the potential R45 might also utilize the same grip as the R9 / R380. Maybe someone who knows Karl better than I do (I've never spoken with him personally) might be able to find out. If so, there'd obviously then be three models using one CT model grip. Serious bang for their R&D buck.