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Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: JoshA on February 02, 2016, 09:08:09 PM
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What say ye fellas?
Well I feel like I'd like to add something to the collection of Grail-like quality. These seem to be the leading choices in my opinion.
I definitely want something that can be shot and not a safe queen and these will fit the bill.
The only other gun I could consider in my price point would be a vintage colt 40's 1911, but finding an original seems so hard to trust. Also I wouldn't really want to shoot it, so back to the top leading choices.
I'd also be interested to know your Grail guns if these 3 options don't do anything for you.
Thanks for the input guys.
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Comparing those guns is like chalk and cheese: two different animals.
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So do you prefer chalk or cheese Tracker?
Seems as though both could be useful.
Oh no, I guess I need both. 8)
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I like them both but I would prefer the 210 since I don't own one. It is the only pistol I have ever heard my gunsmith say that there is no reason for him to work on it.
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Your gunsmith is pretty much correct on that, Tracker. I lucked into a early 210 (Danish Guard 49) a few years
ago and consider it the finest pistol I could ever possibly own. A pure joy to shoot. Trigger is precise, accuracy
is hard to believe. Well balanced and comfortable. No negatives except for a bit of hammer bite...which is easily
cured with a beavertail add-on piece. Or...put on the .22 conversion and (no bite) have a match quality pistol in
that caliber, too. You'll pay as much or more for the conversion than for the gun. 22 Mags are $350 each. :o
Standard, European style heel release mags are $150 apiece. Basic, used 210: $2500+ dep. on rarity & condition.
The newer 210s (Legend model) clearly do not have the same quality or feel as the 210-8 on back seem to have.
The 210-7 is a dedicated .22, as I understand it. Some of the others may have had a slight variation for a specific
country or region...not mechanical, just markings.
Great history...great gun...expensive and worth it. A true, heirloom quality firearm.
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For me would be the P7, I am a huge sig fan but have wanted a P7 for years. You could just buy them both one now and the othe in a few years.
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dddonkey wins!!! Lol. I like your thinking sir ;D
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I just fired my p210 for the first time today and it's a flat winner.
Low bore axis.
Smooth as ball bearing slide.
Sleek.
Tight.
Only real drawbacks are the hammer bite and the junky safety and cost IMO, but you can't have a cult pistol without some significant drawbacks to mirror the perks or else everyone would want one. Lol.
But when it came to putting a hole in some cardboard it is the SCHNIZDIGS. Shooting the p7 with a gray guns trigger next to it was not a comparison. The 1949 p210 killed it!
I can't wait to break it out and give it (and the web of my hand) another workout.
I really love the p7 design and funky cool form and function and really started out thinking "wow you can buy 2 p7's for what a 210 goes for. I think this is a bunch of hype. The p7 is the Prefered gun for me of the 2". Then I ran a mag and two and three. Switching back and forth between the p7 and the p49 (210). There was a marked difference between the 2 targets.
P210 a lot of hits in the bullseye and tight grouping.
P7 decent for me but no center ring scores and the grouping was just not as tight.
Both guns are awesome and I have no interest in losing either one, BUT if it came time to dot some i's and cross some T's the ol 49 will take care of jots and titles.
I'm no marksman and don't want to sound like I'm pontificating, but the Sig definitely shot better in my hands.
I'm really stoked about these 2 new purchases and moving away from the hand cannon stage. And yes Tracker, that hand cannon comment was for you. Haha.
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The hammer bite can be cured pretty easily. An "add-on" beavertail extension was
made for those of us with tender skin around the web...me included. I have a new
one in polished silver that I would sell, if you're interested.
If you are interested in the origin of the design, there is a French Sagen on GB, just
listed...http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=548196847...that
is supposed to be the conceptual origin of the '49. I doubt that I will be bidding on
it because I think it might be pretty spendy at the end...but we will see.
Congrats on your acquisitions. They are both heirloom quality firearms.
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Josh, when you get bored with those two police rejects you might want to buy yourself a real pistol:
http://www.korthusa.com/pistol_en.htm
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This link should work for the gunbroker ad posted above by hedrok........................
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=548196847
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That's the first I've seen of a Korth semi-auto...didn't know they made one. Didn't look either...'cause I'm afraid
I'd want one. I know their revolvers are a work of art.
Maybe when my ship comes in...if I'm not at the train station.
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Maybe I can sell my Python and make a down payment on one.
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The hammer bite can be cured pretty easily. An "add-on" beavertail extension was
made for those of us with tender skin around the web...me included. I have a new
one in polished silver that I would sell, if you're interested.
If you are interested in the origin of the design, there is a French Sagen on GB, just
listed...http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=548196847...that
is supposed to be the conceptual origin of the '49. I doubt that I will be bidding on
it because I think it might be pretty spendy at the end...but we will see.
Congrats on your acquisitions. They are both heirloom quality firearms.
Thanks for the info Hedrock. I may look into the beaver tail.
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Josh, when you get bored with those two police rejects you might want to buy yourself a real pistol:
http://www.korthusa.com/pistol_en.htm
Just as I make room in the safe Tracker, you have to show me this!
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Trigger pull on the Korth semi-auto is 5.5# DA and 3.3# SA. My pistolsmith said that the slide moves on the rails like it is on ball bearings.
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Korth's new PRS 4 auto really looks like a neat arrangement. Like a 1911 but completely different lockup with a fixed barrel.
Worth 10K? We'll see.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jTomsQAi10
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That's one of the slickest videos I've ever seen. :o
Makes me want to sell everything and elope with that beauty!! :-* 8)...... ;D
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I have never seen a Korth auto loader but I have picked up their revolvers at Gun shows.
The Korths I looked at were used but like new. They are very nice revolvers, but at the time I could have bought 4 or 5 Pythons for the same price and 8 or 9 Smiths.
They just were not THAT nice for me to justify that kind of money.
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Here is a good audio visual in German and may require some fast forwarding because it is long; I'm sorry for the hijack, Josh, but I got carried away with this grail gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwOZdByB1Bs
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Though the Korth is beautiful I would likely have a hard time shelling that kind of money out personally. Nothing against anyone who would, but just my personal feeling right now.
I did love the build design and quality. Baller as my kids would say. Lol.
And it ranks well in the excellent 1911 addicts high end pistol guide.
Google around on this if you love high end pistols ; )
https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/high-end-centerfire-pistol-buyers-guide.23120/
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Interesting list JoshA. Did not know that some of my collection would rate so highly to get on that list, LOL.
One thing I want to bring up for those that don't know about them is the Cabot 1911. A friend of mine, who could not stand the look of a 1911 style pistol, saw one at the NRA show a few years back. She ordered one, and after about a year finally got it, with a few upgrades. Fantastic pistol, one of the finest machined tools I have ever held. We shot one box through it, cleaned it, then into the safe it went. Not that it is not liked, just never seem to have the perfect situation to bring it out to shoot. Guess we are blessed to have other options.
http://cabotgun.com/
I don't know if the Korth has ever won a NRA National Pistol Championship, but a Cabot in the hands of Brian Zins has won at least twice.
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Wow. Those Cabot's were something.
Grips made out of a shooting star??? Really?? Wow.
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Grips and most of a few guns are being made out of that asteroid. (from what I read)
Now if you want something a bit more value priced.......................http://republicforge.com/
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Well I've found that both the P7 and P210 are really cool guns IMO and also a little querky.
P7 querks:
A) gets hot with excessive shooting
B) gets very dirty very quickly
C) leaves an odd black mark on the web of the shooting strong hand
D) expense
E) hard to find a good deal
F) the M8 is really hard to get at a fair price IMO
P7 cool:
A) Awesome looking
B) awesome engineering marvel
C) safe gun considering the cocker must be squeezed prior to going into action
D) accurate
E) handles well/points well
F) seems to hold value well enough
G) a bit of a cult pistol with some real obsession behind it (if your into that kind of thing)
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Well I've found that both the P7 and P210 are really cool guns IMO and also a little querky.
P7 querks:
A) gets hot with excessive shooting
B) gets very dirty very quickly
C) leaves an odd black mark on the web of the shooting strong hand
D) expense
E) hard to find a good deal
F) the M8 is really hard to get at a fair price IMO
P7 cool:
A) Awesome looking
B) awesome engineering marvel
C) safe gun considering the cocker must be squeezed prior to going into action
D) accurate
E) handles well/points well
F) seems to hold value well enough
G) a bit of a cult pistol with some real obsession behind it (if your into that kind of thing)
Since you brought up "Cult", have you looked at this site?
Park City Tactical/ Cult of the P7
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/forums/6/1
They used to be quite active but I have not looked there for a long time.
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Well I've found that both the P7 and P210 are really cool guns IMO and also a little querky.
P7 querks:
A) gets hot with excessive shooting
B) gets very dirty very quickly
C) leaves an odd black mark on the web of the shooting strong hand
D) expense
E) hard to find a good deal
F) the M8 is really hard to get at a fair price IMO
P7 cool:
A) Awesome looking
B) awesome engineering marvel
C) safe gun considering the cocker must be squeezed prior to going into action
D) accurate
E) handles well/points well
F) seems to hold value well enough
G) a bit of a cult pistol with some real obsession behind it (if your into that kind of thing)
I might add a few to your list.
Pro:
Works fine when extractor broken or missing due to fluted chamber
Does not matter whether you squeeze the trigger or cocker first, will fire when the other is pressed. (Yeah, pull the trigger, then pull the cocker to fire it.)
Very thin gun
Built like a tank
If you lose it in a fight with a turdball, he may not know how to operate the gun possibly saving your life.
Con:
Not very many aftermarket grips and accessories
Some will not like the European style magazine release on the heel
Heavy
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Love my HK P7M8 - I could fill a forum with all the good things I have to say about this marvel of German engineering. I absolutely love my HK P7M8. I've owned it since 1985 and it has been flawless - out of the box, year after year, all sorts of ammo, never a single problem or malfunction EVER. It is just a fabulous gun:
(http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6661.0;attach=520;image)
The P7M8, IMO is the most ingenious handgun ever created. I don't have to worry about having to unlock a cocked handgun, or deal with inconsistent DA/SA trigger pull, or crunchy "safe action" type triggers - the P7 is fantastic. In 30 plus years of shooting the P7M8 I've never had one single failure of any kind.
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Yes. I ended up with a p7 with the heel release (would have Prefered the m8 version) and really like it so far. It's a super cool gun with the reliability to back it up. I'm very pleased with the purchase so far. More range time is needed.