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Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: Covert23 on April 06, 2015, 09:55:38 AM

Title: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: Covert23 on April 06, 2015, 09:55:38 AM: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/04/05/gun-review-new-remington-rm380/w
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: cargaritaville on April 06, 2015, 10:14:02 AM: I found that this was more direct. Thanks for the heads up!
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/04/05/gun-review-new-remington-rm380/
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: Covert23 on April 06, 2015, 10:17:24 AM: Cool....thanks!
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: MRC on April 06, 2015, 10:41:17 AM: MSRP $417.OO

I am surprised they can do an aluminum frame for that price. The front strap is checkered also which would be nice on a 9mm.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: DDGator on April 06, 2015, 12:25:52 PM: So here is the gun that they denied was even in the works at SHOT Show...

Interesting that there is not even a passing mention of the obvious Rohrbaugh heritage.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: dddonkey on April 06, 2015, 01:32:56 PM: I wonder about the trigger pull and how smooth it will be as well if the mags can be interchanged? How long will the spring last is another question, I did notice the slide locks back on an empty mag. For that price I may need to get one and put it through the paces if they come out with a 9mm.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: PocketRocketLover on April 06, 2015, 09:03:59 PM: There are a few video postings on the RM380 on YouTube . The details about this 380 and its heritage are somehow overlooked by Mr Cox of Remington , in his interview . Some here may find it of interest to watch . Just type I the search bar Remington RM380 . The plus is that it seems Galco leather will be making leather for this near twin and I would think that would benefit us all to some degree . Thanks for reading and your time gents .
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: Richard S on April 06, 2015, 11:05:19 PM: Quote from: DDGator on April 06, 2015, 12:25:52 PM

So here is the gun that they denied was even in the works at SHOT Show...

Interesting that there is not even a passing mention of the obvious Rohrbaugh heritage.

The failure of Remington to mention the Rohrbaugh heritage of that piece prompts me to give away to a friend who is less prosperous than I have the good fortune to be all of the Remington Golden Saber ammunition I have in my safe. From now on it is Speer, Winchester, and Precision One ammunition for me.

In my profession as an attorney, plagiarism is an abomination. If you are going to quote or copy someone else's work, simple honesty requires proper attribution. I find the entire situation with Remington's launch of this Rohrbaugh .380 knockoff obnoxiously offensive. And if some Remington official has the time or interest to interrupt his or her busy day to read this post, I suggest that they seek to give credit where credit is due.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: MRC on April 07, 2015, 09:53:21 AM: It could be a blessing Richard.

With the recent manufacturing problems that Remington has been experiencing, I would be more than a little reluctant to have my name associated with anything coming out of their shops.

The R380 should be a fairly simple build, the R9 is a different game altogether.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: Rich3006 on April 07, 2015, 12:43:18 PM: It makes me laugh when I read how they "designed" it.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: Richard S on April 07, 2015, 02:00:06 PM: Quote from: MRC on April 07, 2015, 09:53:21 AM
It could be a blessing Richard.

With the recent manufacturing problems that Remington has been experiencing, I would be more than a little reluctant to have my name associated with anything coming out of their shops.

The R380 should be a fairly simple build, the R9 is a different game altogether.

You might have a point there, MRC. With a MSRP of $417.00 there must be a lot of MIM shortcuts in the RM380's production. However, I still find the manner in which Remington has handled this entire matter to be totally offensive. And, as you know, I previously was a proponent of their Golden Saber ammunition.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: PocketRocketLover on April 07, 2015, 03:04:06 PM: For those that have NOT yet viewed the video postings on YT as I pointed out yesterday . If you take the time to view the complete video posted by GunBlast . He shows in detail stills . The internals of the weapon . Of that I found the hammer to be of interest . Dare I say MIM part there ? I too am not happy with Remington's Mr Cox and the somewhat odd " I MADE IT FOR MY WIFE " comment in one interview posting . While I am certain Remington is following Glocks mindset . By introducing a 380 model 1st then a 9mm later . The total lack of the Rohrbaugh R9 not even being given a nod is offensive to me . While if and when they do spit out a KNOCKOFF R9 9mm . It would be interesting to see if they stick to their current snub of the brothers original design . Adding a grip mag release and a slide stop and front strap checkering does not equal an ORIGINAL design . A Frank Lloyd Wright house is still a Wright house even if the new owners put a new coat of paint on it .
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: T-Man on April 07, 2015, 04:03:54 PM: WOW! Just a "wee bit" of familiar design cues in that "new" introduction, I'd say!

You'd think they'd try to disguise its lineage maybe just a little...

Then again, maybe not. Once you buy out a company, you then own their designs. It would seem to me that at least acknowledging its obvious heritage would be the honorable thing to do. After all, they mentioned the ill-fated R-51 was an updated version of the Pederson "hesitation locked" action design.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: DDGator on April 07, 2015, 05:27:19 PM: Legally, of course, the designs are theirs... However you would think it appropriate to acknowledge the history of the design. In fact, some customers might find that to be a selling point, no?

The .380 is a good place to start. A lot more room for error. It will be interesting to see if they can successfully morph that pistol into a 9mm at that price point. The operating pressures of 9mm are a whole different ballgame.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: cargaritaville on April 07, 2015, 05:59:17 PM: Legally, of course, the designs are theirs... However you would think it appropriate to acknowledge the history of the design. In fact, some customers might find that to be a selling point, no?

I would agree with you Duane, except that in my opinion, the majority of gun owners that would even think about purchasing a firearm from Remington, especially in that price range, have never even heard of the name Rohrbaugh. A small amount of potential customers might find that to be a selling point. I think that Remington has a larger market share on their mind.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: MRC on April 07, 2015, 06:02:40 PM: Quote from: cargaritaville on April 07, 2015, 05:59:17 PM
Legally, of course, the designs are theirs... However you would think it appropriate to acknowledge the history of the design. In fact, some customers might find that to be a selling point, no?

I would agree with you Duane, except that in my opinion, the majority of gun owners that would even think about purchasing a firearm from Remington, especially in that price range, have never even heard of the name Rohrbaugh. A small amount of potential customers might find that to be a selling point. I think that Remington has a larger market share on their mind.

I agree wiyh you Norm, they are looking at the Glock 42/CW380 crowd,
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: tracker on April 07, 2015, 06:54:48 PM: I have always been surprised at how many gun owners and firearms compatible people have never heard of the Rohrbaugh. In fact, other than this forum I have not met one except at a small, exclusive gun store in Dallas.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: dddonkey on April 07, 2015, 07:30:12 PM: Quote from: tracker on April 07, 2015, 06:54:48 PM

I have always been surprised at how many gun owners and firearms compatible people have never heard of the Rohrbaugh. In fact, other than this forum I have not met one except at a small, exclusive gun store in Dallas.

I think the same is with Bobergs, not many have heard of them.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: tracker on April 07, 2015, 09:21:31 PM: Approximately, how many Bobergs have been sold?
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: dddonkey on April 07, 2015, 09:29:51 PM: Good question?
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: DDGator on April 07, 2015, 10:16:08 PM: Quote from: cargaritaville on April 07, 2015, 05:59:17 PM
I would agree with you Duane, except that in my opinion, the majority of gun owners that would even think about purchasing a firearm from Remington, especially in that price range, have never even heard of the name Rohrbaugh. A small amount of potential customers might find that to be a selling point. I think that Remington has a larger market share on their mind.

I agree with this -- that is why I said "some." At any rate, it would be an interesting story and it wouldn't likely discourage anyone from buying.

I think you could spin it as Remington purchased this award winning design for a high quality "boutique" pistol and has brought it to everyman with the magic of Remington efficiency, etc.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: BlueC2 on April 07, 2015, 10:24:52 PM: I just watched the gunblast RM380 YouTube video. Those still pics when it shows the back of he gun with the hammer and the barrel are most certainly not made to the quality of the rohrbaugh guns. I was not familiar with metal injection molded parts before but those look terrible. What a shame.
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: Brenden on April 07, 2015, 11:56:38 PM: Don't forget the 200 years of Remington experience that went into this gun!! 8)
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: ECR on April 08, 2015, 07:47:12 AM: Quote from: T-Man on April 07, 2015, 04:03:54 PM
WOW! Just a "wee bit" of familiar design cues in that "new" introduction, I'd say!

You'd think they'd try to disguise its lineage maybe just a little...

Then again, maybe not. Once you buy out a company, you then own their designs. It would seem to me that at least acknowledging its obvious heritage would be the honorable thing to do. After all, they mentioned the ill-fated R-51 was an updated version of the Pederson "hesitation locked" action design.

Very good point Ted. We did our best to do the honorable things thoughout our years, and I feel good about that . . . . . ecr
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: Brenden on April 08, 2015, 08:07:25 AM: Eric,
And you did sir,you did!
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: T-Man on April 08, 2015, 08:31:17 AM: Quote from: ECR on April 08, 2015, 07:47:12 AM

Very good point Ted. We did our best to do the honorable things thoughout our years, and I feel good about that . . . . . ecr

As well you should, Eric; that's a very critical measure of a man, IMO! No matter where you go, what you do, or what cards you're dealt, if you have honor, you have a lot going for you.

You guys certainly designed and built a very cool little pistol while you were at it, and I feel very fortunate that I bought my R9 Stealth when I did!
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: Richard S on April 08, 2015, 10:23:25 PM: The number of Rohrbaugh handguns manufactured and sold may be relatively few in number compared to the products of many other handgun manufacturers, but if you own one you are entitled to take pride in knowing that you own a unique piece of history in the development of firearms for personal defense -- something that is not only a handgun but also a functional work of art. By way of example:

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Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: tracker on April 08, 2015, 11:12:17 PM: "Life Is Good"
Title: Re: Looks like Remington's R9 variation
Post by: T-Man on April 08, 2015, 11:26:03 PM: Quote from: Richard S on April 08, 2015, 10:23:25 PM
-- something that is not only a handgun but also a functional work of art. By way of example:

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And you sure make a strong case for the "functional work of art" there, Richard! :D