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Title: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: cargaritaville on July 31, 2018, 09:37:12 AM
I loved shooting my Sig P365. Accurate, light & 11 +1 w/ext. mag.. Who can argue with that? Then it started jamming on me. Sent it back to the factory. Came back fixed, but my confidence level with it is gone. I think that it came to market too soon. Sold it. I am down to one Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth, new, in the safe. This is my keeper. I have carried other Rohrbaughs, but I have to be honest here...I cannot shoot them as accurately as I would like. It's not the gun, it's me. I am the most effective & accurate with a heavier 9mm or even a .45. So, my new chase is on for a new carry gun. I want proven quality ( not a new gun to the market ), 20-30 ozs, 9mm or .45, & semi-automatic. Your thoughts? Yes, a Rohrbaugh .45 would be nice, but we will have to wait for Carl & Eric to come out of retirement for that? I wonder where the prototype .45 is?
Title: Re: What does everyone recommend as a concealed firearm?
Post by: MikeInTexas on July 31, 2018, 11:42:08 AM
I have shot and heard a lot of good things about the Glock 43.

Don't own one, and only fired somewhere around 30 rounds from one, but it worked every time and was accurate enough for it's intended purpose.

Not the most aesthetically pleasing firearm out there, but they are boringly reliable from all I've read and been told.

For some reason, Glocks don't fit me well so I only have a couple that don't see daylight very often. No other reason for me to not consider one for carry.

Since I got a Rohrbaugh, that is what I most often carry.  Previous carry gun, a Kimber ProCarry .45, has been relegated to the briefcase.

So if you can find one to rent, borrow, shoot and find it works out for you, that might be a choice.  I think a few others on this forum carry one daily and will probably chime in.

Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: tracker on July 31, 2018, 03:06:18 PM
I was also about to suggest the Glock 43. I own one and it is much more tactile than larger Glocks. As usual with Glocks it shoots flawlessly.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: PursuitSS on July 31, 2018, 03:45:34 PM
I have found that IF you plan, you can easily conceal a full sized pistol.

My choice for daily primary carry?

The FN FiveseveN 5.7x28 pistol, it’s

Lightweight
21 rounds standard capacity
VERY high velocity, the round I carry (Elite S4M) clocks 2,400 fps out of my pistol
Almost zero recoil
Shoots very flat, you can easily engage targets out to 100 yards
With the correct loads it will penetrate Level IIIA armor AND 1 1/4” bulletproof glass
VERY reliable

And of course, my back up is my R9S Stealth.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: tattoo on July 31, 2018, 06:33:01 PM
Hk psp? 
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: PursuitSS on July 31, 2018, 06:47:21 PM
Hk psp?

Have one, WAY too heavy for the size.

It’s actually my wife’s favorite pistol. Yes they shoot like a dream, incredible trigger pull, super reliable if you feed them hot 9mm ammo. Hers is stoked with Winchester 127 gr+P+
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: tattoo on July 31, 2018, 10:30:58 PM
Hk psp?

Have one, WAY too heavy for the size.

It’s actually my wife’s favorite pistol. Yes they shoot like a dream, incredible trigger pull, super reliable if you feed them hot 9mm ammo. Hers is stoked with Winchester 127 gr+P+
still under his 30oz.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: PhilZ on August 01, 2018, 07:04:29 AM
+1 on the Glock 43.  It takes +P loads.  Tons of holster options.  Reliable. 
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: cargaritaville on August 01, 2018, 08:22:35 AM
I went to the gun store to check out the Glock 43. First impressions...nice size, fits in my hand like a glove. The salesman said it can be a bit snappy. your thoughts? What can you compare the recoil to? Thanks.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: bamboobob on August 01, 2018, 08:26:11 AM
I have found that IF you plan, you can easily conceal a full sized pistol.

My choice for daily primary carry?

The FN FiveseveN 5.7x28 pistol, it’s

Lightweight
21 rounds standard capacity
VERY high velocity, the round I carry (Elite S4M) clocks 2,400 fps out of my pistol
Almost zero recoil
Shoots very flat, you can easily engage targets out to 100 yards
With the correct loads it will penetrate Level IIIA armor AND 1 1/4” bulletproof glass
VERY reliable

And of course, my back up is my R9S Stealth.
+1
+loud report and large mussle flash
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: tattoo on August 01, 2018, 08:54:31 AM
I went to the gun store to check out the Glock 43. First impressions...nice size, fits in my hand like a glove. The salesman said it can be a bit snappy. your thoughts? What can you compare the recoil to? Thanks.
i carry one everyday. And I enjoy shooting it. Not snappy at all. And I load it with +p+ underwood ammo. 😉
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: DDGator on August 01, 2018, 10:09:56 AM

I'm also on the Glock 43 train.  I liked my Glock 42 so much, I got a 43. ;)

The 42 is like a dream gun.  If you can live with .380 ACP, it is awesome.  The 43 is slightly bigger and slightly snapper, but not difficult to shoot at all.  Highly recommended.

Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: cargaritaville on August 01, 2018, 10:11:13 AM

I'm also on the Glock 43 train.  I liked my Glock 42 so much, I got a 43. ;)

The 42 is like a dream gun.  If you can live with .380 ACP, it is awesome.  The 43 is slightly bigger and slightly snapper, but not difficult to shoot at all.  Highly recommended.

Do you carry the 42?
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: MikeInTexas on August 01, 2018, 11:09:16 AM
IIRC from past posts, member Karl R carries a G43.

Might PM him to get his thoughts.

.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: MRC on August 01, 2018, 11:42:56 AM
I have not shot the 42 or the 43 Glocks but I hear nothing but good about them.

I think that the Kahr P380 and PM9 are very good guns and I have shot both a lot.  I always figured that Kahr beat Glock to the compact single stack market.

I finally settled on a Solo for pocket.  I have had two and both are flawless.  The reason I have had two is I decided to get night sights and checkered front strap.  The Solo seems to point more natural for me and very good accuracy.  Remington 124 gr +P bonded is the right ammo.

If I want something bigger I go to an IWB Springfield XDs45.  Another flawless gun that shoots great for me.

I have to say that I never could shoot a R9 very accurately for a string of 7 shots and the faster I shoot the worse it gets.  Not enough to hold on to I guess.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: ECR on August 01, 2018, 03:22:06 PM
I hope this helps:

Karl Rohrbaugh carries a Glock 43 and loves it! He shoots sub 3" groups at 25 yards with one!

I've also shot his 43 and it's really not bad at all to shoot. I really like the darn thing.


There ya go ……………………………….


Buy the Glock 43 and as we say up here on Long Island. . . . . (Brooklyn)

                                                                                                                . . . . . "Forget about it"
     
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: tracker on August 03, 2018, 11:15:06 AM
I suggest that you take a look at the S&W 9mm Shield. It is one of their best products in a long time. The Shield comes with or without a thumb safety. Also, the Springfield X-DS- Mod-2 might be a carry candidate:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/9mm-springfield-xd-s-mod-2-review/
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: bamboobob on August 03, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
A friend has  shield likes it
iwb edc.      Mag release gets rusty
I  bought.  s and w 642 for coat in winter, took off laser for smaller grip to front pocket   
carry.  It fit some pants better than R9. Got lazy
with 642.  Recent personal events remind me pocket carry as primary(while belted in car) not best for metro Detroit area
Baak to 5.7      or new Kimber 4 inch and aluminum frame with 300 round test
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: cargaritaville on August 03, 2018, 05:11:44 PM
I am going to the range this weekend where I will be able to shoot a Glock 43, S&W Shield & A Dan Wesson ECO 9mm, & a Springfield Armory XDS MOD 2.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: Griff on August 03, 2018, 10:43:34 PM
I’ve got a Glock 43, a Springfield XDs .45, a Rohrbaugh R9, and a Sig p365.
I like em all!
But... the Glock is slightly bigger than the Sig, with less rounds. The Sig has a superior trigger, came standard with night sights, and 13 rounds on board with the extended magazine, which is what I front pocket carry it with, and for me doesn’t need a spare magazine. Mine has 1,000 plus rounds through it without a hiccup. I’m Sorry you had problems with yours!
 I really like the grip safety on the XDs, and the texture of the grip-zone😛, but it is a serious lump for pocket carry, and loads out with 6 rounds using the flush mag, and 8 with the extended mag.
I think of it as a really compact alternative to a 1911.
The Rohrbaugh is crazy accurate and a jewel that offers 9mm performance in a true .380 size package. My Rohrbaugh is a prized possession way beyond it’s functional merit.
But, but...I do agree that the Glock is especially robust, shoots just like it’s big brothers, and may be the most dependable, and the brand that I would be most comfortable with buying, loading, and carrying, if forced to, without first testing.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: cargaritaville on August 05, 2018, 09:39:05 AM
So, I went to the range. First I shot the Springfield Armory...nice gun, but didn't feel quite right for me. Then I shot the S&W Shield...nice gun, very accurate, nice feel to it. Then I shot the Glock 43...a bit snappier than the other two, but manageable, accurate, nice fit in my hand, & comfortable to handle. I have a Glock 19 for home protection. I chose that gun because to me it is always going to go boom...always. The Glock 43 gives me that same feeling. I like that. Then I shot the Dan Wesson ECO 9mm 1911. I realize that this gun is in a different league than the others. I am a Dan Wesson fan already owning the Discretion ( threaded barrel model) in .45 as a match for my suppressor. The ECO weighs in at 27 ozs, & has a 3 1/2" barrel. It is Officer size.  The fit & finish looks to me almost as good as a Wilson Combat at 1/2 the price. Minimal recoil & incredible accuracy. I love 1911s. I feel the same way about Dan Wessons as I do Glocks. The problem became that I love the ECO, but not the $1600+ price tag. I like the $459 price on the Glock 43. For the hell of it, I call my buddy who is in charge of internet sales for Shoot Straight here in Florida. That is the vehicle they use to sell their best trade ins. Guess what? They took in trade a pristine DW ECO 9mm & I could have it for $1095! I had their gunsmith check it out. Unfired except at the factory & perfect. Bought it. Had to at that price. I love a good deal & this was one. What about the Glock 43? Picking one up Monday...I really liked that gun! Thanks for all your suggestions.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: johnny on August 05, 2018, 04:44:24 PM
      What I have found is the sad thing about a Glock is you can't go wrong.
               I have had, I'm guessing, 9 or 10 and the only reason I sold and bought different models is because I could.They are cheap.I got rid of my #27 this last March and got a #19.It just hurt too much to shoot it.I had it for quite a few years but after an arm injury two years ago, one day this last spring I traded it in for a #19.Fun gun to shoot.Runs steel casings thru it without a jam,and easy to clean.And,being a Glock,I can carry my #43 without any rethinking.
          Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: DDGator on August 06, 2018, 09:48:59 AM

I'm also on the Glock 43 train.  I liked my Glock 42 so much, I got a 43. ;)

The 42 is like a dream gun.  If you can live with .380 ACP, it is awesome.  The 43 is slightly bigger and slightly snapper, but not difficult to shoot at all.  Highly recommended.

Do you carry the 42?

I carry both the 42 and 43.  Some pockets are a little small for the 43.  Depending on what I am doing, I don't feel undergunned with a .380 and high quality ammo, especially in the summer in Florida.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: cargaritaville on August 06, 2018, 10:08:05 AM

I'm also on the Glock 43 train.  I liked my Glock 42 so much, I got a 43. ;)

The 42 is like a dream gun.  If you can live with .380 ACP, it is awesome.  The 43 is slightly bigger and slightly snapper, but not difficult to shoot at all.  Highly recommended.

Do you carry the 42?

I carry both the 42 and 43.  Some pockets are a little small for the 43.  Depending on what I am doing, I don't feel undergunned with a .380 and high quality ammo, especially in the summer in Florida.

What ammo do you use?
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: tracker on August 06, 2018, 11:15:59 AM
Here is one hot number but there are others:
https://www.lehighdefense.com/products/380-auto-90gr-xtreme-penetrator-ammunition?variant=1066236304
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: cargaritaville on August 06, 2018, 11:34:42 AM
Here is one hot number but there are others:
https://www.lehighdefense.com/products/380-auto-90gr-xtreme-penetrator-ammunition?variant=1066236304
Would this ammo present a problem legally/civilly if it was used?
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: tracker on August 06, 2018, 11:48:38 AM
It is quite possible but I am not a lawyer. Maybe Duane knows some case history on this subject.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: tattoo on August 06, 2018, 01:10:50 PM
Here is one hot number but there are others:
https://www.lehighdefense.com/products/380-auto-90gr-xtreme-penetrator-ammunition?variant=1066236304
thats what I carry in 9mm in my 43 and 19. 🤘🏻
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: MRC on August 06, 2018, 01:23:25 PM
If I were going to carry the Lehigh bullets, I would buy the Underwood loading and I would use the Extreme Defender as opposed to the Extreme Penetrator.

I have shot the 380 +P shown below out of my Kahr P380 with zero problems.  The average velocity was 1293 fps out of the 2.5" barrel with good accuracy.


https://www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/products/380-acp-p-65-grain-xtreme-defender?variant=7865927794745

I shot the 9mm +P shown below out of my Solo with zero problems also.  The average velocity was 1302 fps out of the 2.75" barrel and again with good accuracy.


https://www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/products/9mm-luger-p-90-grain-xtreme-defender?variant=7878244859961

As far as legal problems, I can't believe there is a problem but Lawyers will try anything.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: DDGator on August 06, 2018, 03:00:26 PM
It is quite possible but I am not a lawyer. Maybe Duane knows some case history on this subject.

I suppose anything like this will give potential "ammunition" to a lawyer.  However, I don't think there is a lot of legs to the argument that the shooter was looking for a fight because he used "extra deadly" ammo.  Shooting at someone with a firearm is lethal force no matter what ammo you are using.  I'm not sure it makes much difference so long as the ammo is legal and generally commercially available.

This is the type of question that Mas Ayoob would be good to answer.  I recall him suggesting in the past that it might not be the worst idea in the world to use the same type of ammo that one of your local law enforcement agencies use.

Personally, I like Winchester PDX-1 and Speer Gold Dot.

Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: tracker on August 06, 2018, 06:51:34 PM
Perhaps the NRA legal team might have some history on this subject. Someone wisely suggested that in any concealed carry defense shooting situation with injury or death to the perpetrator that it would be a good idea to have specific insurance or $250k in your cookie jar for legal fees.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: DDGator on August 07, 2018, 10:57:13 AM

Not to disparage the NRA product, but I think the best investment you can have in self-defense "insurance" is joining the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.  It's not an insurance product, but a fund to defend members from the consequences of a lawful self-defense shooting.  The network is run by some of the best in the business and is a network of lawyers, firearms experts, testifying experts, etc.

I am a network attorney for the ACLDN, and have been for many years.

https://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/ (https://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/)



Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: johnny on November 06, 2018, 01:08:35 PM
   I love my 43,period.
     Never jams and I shoot a lot of cheap steel shot thru it.My Knighthawk has jammed more than once and my EdBrown actually jammed for the first time about a month ago.But my 19 and 43 never.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: ECR on November 06, 2018, 08:09:29 PM
Karl has a Glock 43 and it does the job well.
I have shot it and feel the same way.
Is it fancy like an R9?. . . . No. . . . .
But hey, everybody needs a "Timex", don't they!?  lol

Carry on fellas.

Eric R
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: PursuitSS on November 06, 2018, 09:38:05 PM
I can’t bring myself to carry a Glock anymore.

WHY?

First of all, I never liked the idea of no safety, in fact I changed to a NY Trigger in my Glock. I can live with the lack of a safety on my Rohrbaugh’s because of the long, heavy trigger pull, similar to a Double Action revolver trigger pull.

Second, Glock is using several MIM parts now and frankly I simply don’t trust MIM.

Before I dumped my Glock for on duty use I switched to the Blackhawk Serpa Level III Holster because it’s almost impossible to be taken from you in a gun grab.

I switched to an FN FiveseveN 5.7x28 pistol for both on and off duty carry.

My Rohrbaugh 9RS Stealth is my backup to my FN FiveseveN and I trust it more than I can a Glock. Plus, the Rohrbaugh is smaller, and lighter which makes one heck of a difference when you are front pocket carrying.

Comparing a Glock to a Rohrbaugh is like comparing a Kia to a Bentley.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry Suggestions?
Post by: PhilZ on November 07, 2018, 07:18:18 AM


Comparing a Glock to a Rohrbaugh is like comparing a Kia to a Bentley.

I love Rohrbaughs and I love Glocks, but you're right about Kia vs Bentley reliability.  Even with Audi's help, Bentley reliability is no where close to #1 Kia.  I don't think the consensus is that Glock is less reliable than Rohrbaugh.