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Title: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: RA_Bakken on September 19, 2006, 10:01:18 PM: Howdy friends.

If the feces hits the oscillating wind movement device, do you have a "bug out kit"? Was reading in this month's Combat Handguns, and they talk about such a kit - in this case a Glock 17 w/ extra parts, mags and ammo.

Do any of you have such a kit? I'm thinking of putting together a "get out of Dodge" kit for emergencies. Like the 1911 (and R9 of course), but can't work too deeply on one. Glocks ARE easy to work on though...

What do ya think?

-Spectro
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: riffraff on September 20, 2006, 12:19:15 AM: Spectro,

Get out of Dodge and go where? Unless you live inside a large city if the fecal matter hits the rotating air moveing device the safest place is going to be inside your home.

Mike
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: RA_Bakken on September 20, 2006, 12:22:37 AM: You're totally right, riffraff...but was thinking of the "natural disaster" type of thing where you would actually have to leave home or neighborhood or the like. And you had to grab and get out quick w/ something useful.
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: ROKTMAN on September 20, 2006, 02:06:20 AM: Interesting topic.Unless the situation presented it`s self where I have to leave I can hold off the troops for LONG time at the homestead.

I figure a HK tactical .45,HK MP5, or HK 93 folder(not sure)Ernest Emerson CQC-6 ,cash and all the survival essentials for living off the land.
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: riffraff on September 20, 2006, 10:59:30 AM: One thing to keep in mind about a natural disaster and haveing to leave the area, chances are the police and military will be confiscating guns just like they did in New Orleans.
You will have to avoid any roadblocks and check points or basically any type of authorities whatsoever while you are exiting and then you need to have friends or family home to go to because they are not going to let you keep your gun in any kind of public shelter.

Mike
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: RA_Bakken on September 20, 2006, 11:04:03 AM: That whole New Orleans gun confiscation thing still burns me up! Do you guys think this sort of thing would happen in a more "normal" city / state, that wasn't so leftist? Is there any movement on lawsuits against the authorities who did the confiscating?

In a public shelter, there's no doubt they would (sadly) prohibit legally armed citizens.

The key seems, again, to be preparation before something bad happens!
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: Richard S on September 20, 2006, 12:29:22 PM: Spectro:

I have what I call my "war bag," which I keep packed and throw into the back seat of the car whenever we leave town. It's a large black canvas range-type bag. Your post prompted me to make an inventory of its current contents:

loaded .45 caliber pistol with holster & two extra loaded magazines
spare ammunition (two 50-round boxes)
gun cleaning kit
ear plugs
binoculars
digital camera with spare batteries
multi-tool
flashlights (3) with spare batteries
hunting knife with sheath
hand axe with sheath
sharpening stone
lighters (2)
magnifying glass
first aid kit
snake bite kit
insect repellant
fishing kit (basic)
toilet kit
mess kit (Army surplus)
canteen (Army surplus)
water treatment tablets
12-hour light sticks (2)
AM/FM Radio with spare batteries
candles (3)
emergency whistle with lanyard
hand towel

(No wonder the thing is getting a little heavy. :) )
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: RA_Bakken on September 20, 2006, 12:40:09 PM: What, Richard? No change of underwear? Hehehe...

NICE kit, sir. I'm aspiring to something like that. Problem is carying it very far is tough, so I'm looking at decent backpacks that are rugged and "low profile" socially, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: riffraff on September 20, 2006, 01:59:55 PM: There really only a few scenarios where one might have to leave his home(castle).

Floods, this is the most likely. If you are flooded then you have to move. If you live in a flood plane them move now. I am serious about this advice.

Next is volcanic activity. This is only a real danger in the Pacific Northwest and the YellowStone Caldera regions. If you live near these areas you might want to consider moveing now.

Another is a severe earthquade prone area. These areas are most of the States that are on the Pacific Ocean. The other big one is the fault line around Memphis Tennessee. If you live on these areas you might want to consider moveing. If you don't live in a big city even if an earthquake severely damaged your home there should be no need to actually pack up and leave but if you live near the Memphis fault zone be aware that there would also be considerable flooding from the Mississippi river so again make sure you are on high ground.

The other possibility is a radioactive dirty bomb or actual nuclear explosion. This will most probably occour in one of our large coastal cities or a few other large cities inland. If you live in one of these cities you might consider moveing.

The only other possibility is a Nuclear Power Plant melt down but I don't think that well ever again happen.

So I have recomended to a lot of people that they consider moveing. If you want security for you, your family, you kids and grandkids you should not look at a move as just to much of a pain in the butt, not at all. You should see it as something that a responsible head of a household will do for the long term safety of their family.

My opinions only, Mike
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: tracker on September 20, 2006, 03:50:42 PM: Where do you live, Mike?
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: theirishguard on September 20, 2006, 05:10:57 PM: what ever you have in your bug out bag, you have to carry it
Tom
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: DTM_39 on September 20, 2006, 05:29:44 PM: I have a bug out bag although not as well packed as Richards. However living on Long Island the only way out by land is going by New York City. That I think would be a disaster in an emergency. If it were a true disaster my best bet would be on the boat. Always full and always stocked. Dan
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: riffraff on September 20, 2006, 11:54:58 PM: Tracker,

I do live about 40 miles from a Nuclear Power plant and about 70 miles from a large Military stockpile of old chemical and biological weapons but am not in any danger from the possible threats in my previous post.

Mike
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: tracker on September 21, 2006, 12:13:51 AM: Mike,
Thanks; it must be a military secret.
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: riffraff on September 21, 2006, 12:30:30 PM: Tracker,

Well, you KNOW the old saying, I could tell you but then I would have to......... ;D :) ;) ;D

Mike
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: prydwen on September 22, 2006, 08:52:38 PM: I thought I might just take stuff from other people!
(kidding)
I live in a place you can only get to on purpose...no volcanoes,
no sunamis, earthquakes not too likely...
our biggest problem will be the evacuation of folks
from the bigger places around us and we will have to
contend with that bunch of panicked city folks which
may be a disaster in itself for us. my bug-out kit is a
"DANGER infectuous quarantine" sign for the front and doors of my place! Yet, still carry a kit in my truck...I'd siggest EVERYBODY go through a basic EMT courrse at earliest opportunity...then an NRA summer course at any local gunsmithing school on your favored rifle and pistol...your personal skills may be more important than your stuff.
Title: B.O.B. Or: Armaggeddon Outta Here...
Post by: Calvin Cooledge on September 25, 2006, 08:39:12 PM: I call my bag BOB, for Bug Out Bag. We've talked about them in Blade Magazine, mine is quite heavy. (Weighs about as much as my house, now that I think about it;^)

It's very well equipped, now all I need is a helicopter;^)

My guess RiffRaff is from Anniston, Alabama or Pittsburgh, PA suburbs.
But that's just me;^)

Steve
BTW-I coined the term "Armaggeddon Outta Here" back in 1971.
Now you know...;^)

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Tracker,

I do live about 40 miles from a Nuclear Power plant and about 70 miles from a large Military stockpile of old chemical and biological weapons but am not in any danger from the possible threats in my previous post.

Mike
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: riffraff on September 25, 2006, 10:07:01 PM: Calvin Cooledge,

Not even close.

Mike
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: RA_Bakken on September 26, 2006, 01:55:35 AM: Calvin C - you're right about the EMT course. Have been through it myself, and it's vital info in a pinch. Having a good medical kit, including dental emergencies, is a pretty important item to consider. As some adventure and overseas travel experts say, build a kit based upon how long you'll potentially be away from medical help. Could it be days, a week maybe? Then build a little better kit.

Based on the ideas I'm gettin' from y'all, I've created a great BOB! But I have no trunk space now, and my car only gets 12 miles to the gallon w/ the extra weight I"ve loader her with! :-)

Guess it's time to buy one of those new Toyota FJ Land Cruisers - the penultimate bug out vehicle!
Title: The life you save might be your own...
Post by: Calvin Cooledge on September 26, 2006, 12:42:43 PM: Did I mention the importance of a Big Honkin® knife? I mean one that is called a "Camp Knife" in knife circles. This one could do it all in a pinch, from cutting the mustard to getting yourself out of a pickle. (Condiment Puns-Can there be too many? ;^) My pic for that knife is a Bob Dozier Made D-2 hunter with the best Kydex® sheath on the planet.
Less than $300. The life you save may be your own... There are MANY other competent less expensive knives out there. YMMV;^)

And meds. Especially long term meds for us old Codgers and Geezers.
A month supply or more might be in order. One more thing wasn't mentioned is maintenance of BOB. Check him(?) regularly for things that expire (aspirin, meds, etc.) and rotate the inventory. Especially foodstuffs.

I'm not sure how much ammo I'll need. I'll have a Warthog .45ACP, and of course my Rohrbaugh, which never leave my side (pocket;^)

If I'm lucky enough to be at home if (hopefully not) a big one happens, I'll grab the 12GA. pump. Oh, and then there's that pesky Ruger SP-101 wheel gun in 9mm, to help the R9 if it gets tired;^)

Now that I think about it, I'm really liking this helicopter idea. How much are they;^)

Cal

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Calvin C - you're right about the EMT course. Have been through it myself, and it's vital info in a pinch. Having a good medical kit, including dental emergencies, is a pretty important item to consider. As some adventure and overseas travel experts say, build a kit based upon how long you'll potentially be away from medical help. Could it be days, a week maybe? Then build a little better kit.

Based on the ideas I'm gettin' from y'all, I've created a great BOB! But I have no trunk space now, and my car only gets 12 miles to the gallon w/ the extra weight I"ve loader her with! :-)

Guess it's time to buy one of those new Toyota FJ Land Cruisers - the penultimate bug out vehicle!
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: Richard S on September 26, 2006, 03:22:19 PM: Cal:

You should be able to pick up a nice Bell 407 for $2 million and change. 8)

http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/list.asp?catid=7&man=BELL&mdl=407&guid=7FC8455B207E45BFA20A99682E222408
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: willow on September 26, 2006, 03:23:02 PM: I don't have one since we retired to our "safe place" (that is a cabin in the mountains). I do have that provisioned to be self sufficient for a long while.
An interesting site for this sort of thing is AR15.com. Go to the General category and then to Survival. All kinds of related threads.
Title: Happy Wife; Happy Life...
Post by: Calvin Cooledge on September 26, 2006, 03:50:58 PM: Thanks, Richard! Found a real cute '97 for just under two mil.
Why, that's less than my wife makes in a week;^)

Whatever happened to flying cars?

Cal

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Cal:

You should be able to pick up a nice Bell 407 for $2 million and change. 8)

http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/list.asp?catid=7&man=BELL&mdl=407&guid=7FC8455B207E45BFA20A99682E222408
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: RA_Bakken on September 26, 2006, 06:14:28 PM: As for the big honkin' knife, you should all look at the knife that famed survival expert Tom Brown Jr. made. It's called the Tracker. You can find it on a web search. It's truly impressive! A one-stop shop for outdoor / survival needs.

Did I mention the fact that this thing is BIG HONKIN'?
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: riffraff on September 26, 2006, 06:52:49 PM: Calvin Cooledge,

How do you recomend us old people with perscriptions get enough extra to put in a BOB??

Also I think it would be very important to have some decent pain meds in a BOB, something like Demerol. How would you go about getting that with your name on the bottle so it would be legal?

Mike
Title: "It would be wrong, that's for sure..."
Post by: Calvin Cooledge on September 26, 2006, 07:27:37 PM: This is a touchy subject, since some meds, of course, are controlled substances, and not available without prescription. Next time you are at the doctor's office, ask him to write a script for, say, 5 Percodan. He'll probably refuse, but it's worth a try. Tell him what it's for, and you'll be glad to bring them in for him to see that you ain't using! ("You ain't using" is a colloquialism, not used since the 60's;*) I saved a few pain pills from my last surgery. My suggestion to you all (ya'll in the South), is to pack some booze, preferably with a high proof, for pain relief.

One tactic you could use to build up a supply of regular meds is to have your prescriptions refilled a few days earlier than the next fill date. Do that for a few months in a row and you'll start building a decent supply.
Another technique is to have your doctor prescribe your medicine in twice the dose, and have you split the pills in half. It cost Big Pharma no more to make a 40mg tab than a 20mg tab.

One thing of interest to me is having iodine tabs for BOB. Anyone know how you obtain that?

Now, I AM NOT RECOMMENDING ANYONE BREAK ANY LAWS! As Ol' Tricky Dick Nixon would have said "It would be wrong, that's for sure..."
YMMV!

Cal
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Calvin Cooledge,

How do you recomend us old people with perscriptions get enough extra to put in a BOB??

Also I think it would be very important to have some decent pain meds in a BOB, something like Demerol. How would you go about getting that with your name on the bottle so it would be legal?

Mike
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: RA_Bakken on September 27, 2006, 12:29:34 AM: I'm lucky on the meds side, as I have several docs I know who understand that it's a dangerous world. However, if you travel overseas, or do any remote camping or trekking, you really DO need some serious travel meds. Perhaps you could try this route w/ a doc? When you're takin' a trip, make it sound kinda epic! :-)

Also, I run some outings for some folks once in awhile, and always want to have some emergency meds on hand in case their is some injury or problem when I'm not too close to a doc. In this way, I get some pain meds, some serious nausea meds, and an Epi Pen (adrenaline injector for those who can die when stung by bees, etc.).
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: Aglifter on September 27, 2006, 01:10:04 AM: You can get the "serious" travel meds pretty simply when you get your innoculations -- just have to find a tropical diseases/travel medicine clinic -- Baylor has a really good one in Houston, primarily for going to Africa.
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: dfsutton on September 27, 2006, 03:30:39 AM: I think I might have all of you beaten...

I just came back from the Middle East after being attached to the Army. Well, I managed not to turn in a Combat life Saver bag. It is quite splendid.

It contains:
IV syringes
IV Solution
rubber gloves
band aids
several Field Dressings
rubber tourniquet tubings
Iodine and alcohol swabs
micropore tape
trauma shears
Ace bandages
Sam II Combat Splint
5 Atro-pen injectors(for Nerve Agent or Insecticide poisoning)

I fortunately just got my anthrax and small pox vaccinations before I got out. Now unfortunately, the Atro-pens expire in December 2008, but until that point even nerve agents won't get me and the 2 biggest bilological agents aren't a great threat.

Combine that with the level IV body armor plates I keep tucked away, and I'm prepared for mass chaos. Hopefully that'll never come though.
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: theirishguard on September 27, 2006, 09:54:01 AM: David, that will not happen in New Mexico? ???
Tom
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: dfsutton on September 27, 2006, 01:27:16 PM: Quote
David, that will not happen in New Mexico? ???
Tom

Actually, I'm not in New Mexico anymore. I now live just outside of New Orleans
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: theirishguard on September 27, 2006, 02:02:52 PM: Stay safe.
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: tracker on September 27, 2006, 04:23:58 PM: http://www.ki4u.com/

I recently odered KI [ potassium iodide ] pills for thyroid
blocking in the event of nuclear fallout--cheap insurance
at $24 for 200 tablets.
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: RA_Bakken on September 27, 2006, 04:52:47 PM: On second thought, I don't think I really need a Bug Out Kit. Everybody in the South loves Jesus...and would NEVER hurt anyone, right? It really IS a safe world!

I'm going up to the Smokies to pick some flowers... ::)

Actually, all your comments have been great so far. Unfortunately, some people I know have an overly rosey picture of human nature, and trust people in mass. Had a conversation w/ someone the other day on this topic. They could not FATHOM that society could easily break down, and that the "authorities" might not be there to save their bacon. Amazing, isn't it - even in the face of consistent proof to the contrary!

Well, I'm keepin' my BOB in the car, just in case. Hope I never have to use it though.
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: riffraff on September 27, 2006, 11:05:32 PM: dfsutton,

You have some great stuff but you are missing a couple of very important things: Antibiotics and pain managment meds.

Mike
Title: Prunes. Is 3 enough? Is 6 too many?...
Post by: Calvin Cooledge on September 28, 2006, 11:54:03 AM: Yeh, but one thing you won't need is laxatives. Everyone will be scared S**tless;^)

Sorry, shouldn't make light of something serious. But I feel good today! So I'm going for it;^)

Cal

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dfsutton,

You have some great stuff but you are missing a couple of very important things: Antibiotics and pain managment meds.

Mike
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: RA_Bakken on September 28, 2006, 01:12:58 PM: Well, you can just buy a case of Depends undergarments, then when you ARE scared s***less, nobody will know, brother!

:o
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: Duncan223 on April 05, 2007, 04:39:14 PM: Living in Florida, and very near the water, we bug-in. We've got food, fuel, generator, water, etc. However, in the event of some other event - like a nuke in Miami, we would haul what we could and relocate, likely staying with family for a while.

We are, however, in the process of buying a little something in a state that enjoys all four seasons, and is pro-RKBA, as a future investment/vacation home and possible bug-out location if necessary.
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: Richard S on April 08, 2007, 08:25:53 PM: Quote
* * * We are, however, in the process of buying a little something in a state that enjoys all four seasons, and is pro-RKBA, as a future investment/vacation home and possible bug-out location if necessary.

Duncan:

May I suggest the Great Smoky Mountains of East Tennessee as being worthy of consideration? 8)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/SmokyMountainSunset.jpg)
Title: Re: What's in your "bug out kit"?
Post by: tracker on April 08, 2007, 08:27:32 PM: You may and, indeed, they are.