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Title: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: Reinz on April 18, 2011, 06:01:57 PM: I know that Military and Police (mostly retired) probably outnumber the civilians here. And as seen in the "Cleaning" threads, old habits die hard.
The M&P guys use the term "Weapon" as per their ingrained training.

I am around these guys not only on the boards but in everyday life as well, and I am a civialian.
However, I prefer to choose NOT to use the term "Weapon" for the following reasons.

To me, it screams OFFENSIVE, which in civialian life usually means you are the bad guy.
It also just screams more negativity to nongun people than using other terms; only used for death, bad, etc.

To me I want people, anynoe thinking of Me or my guns as DEFENSIVE, used as a victim's role, in the right.
That's why I prefer, saying, "gun, pistol, revolver, 45, 9, etc.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a verbage Nazi, If my buddies want to say "Weapon", that's their privilege. And I do not attack them for doing so.

I know it's just BS and a play on words, but isn't so much of life? Especially politics!

That's just my veiw from the saddle.

Any thoughts ?
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: coyote on April 18, 2011, 06:33:08 PM: i agree 100%.

it just gives some folks "ammo" to use against us. particularly when we use the phrase in their presence, whereupon they have a tendency to then repeat it later to others.

i prefer to substitute the term "firearm". i make it a habit so i don't let some "evil" sounding word slip out at the wrong time.

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Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: Richard S on April 18, 2011, 08:19:54 PM: Thoughts from the saddle --

When I think "weapon," this comes immediately to mind: 8)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/M60MainBattleTankPattonSeries.gif)

As for complaints over "verbage," the ones that get me are those that confuse "pistol" with "revolver" and "magazine" with "clip."
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2011, 08:43:39 PM: Quote

That's why I prefer, saying, "gun, pistol, revolver, 45, 9, etc.

That's just my veiw from the saddle.

Any thoughts ?

I have used the term weapon a few times, however, prefer, as Reinz does in the above as I think of a 50 caliber Barrett as a weapon. :)

(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/Barrett9929inch50BMG.jpg)
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: tracker on April 18, 2011, 09:00:38 PM: WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE WORD, "WEAPON?" ;D
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: Richard S on April 18, 2011, 09:10:10 PM: Quote
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE WORD, "WEAPON?" ;D

Nothing. In addition to the M60 Patton, this also comes to my mind when the term is mentioned: 8)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/A-4Skyhawk2.jpg)
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: tracker on April 18, 2011, 09:13:29 PM: Thank you, Sir, and here is a weapons system.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4100&tid=200&ct=4
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2011, 09:15:12 PM: Quote
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE WORD, "WEAPON?" ;D

Not a thing! ;D
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: Richard S on April 18, 2011, 09:29:31 PM: Quote
Thank you, Sir, and here is a weapons system.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4100&tid=200&ct=4

Finest kind!

"D**n the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!"
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2011, 09:31:38 PM: Quote

Finest kind!

"D**n the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!"

And then some! ;)
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: yankee2500 on April 18, 2011, 09:49:32 PM: Quote

I have used the term weapon a few times, however, prefer, as Reinz does in the above as I think of a 50 caliber Barrett as a weapon. :)

(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/Barrett9929inch50BMG.jpg)

kj,
I think you should upgrade to the Barrett M107A1 Rifle System. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2011, 09:59:20 PM: Always coming out with something new! :D

(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/sniperImage1.jpg)
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: tracker on April 18, 2011, 10:14:46 PM: Cheytac M200 or maybe a Barrett 98B?
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2011, 10:15:59 PM: Nope! ;) and nope! ;)
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: yankee2500 on April 18, 2011, 10:58:52 PM: Quote
Nope! ;) and nope! ;)

WOW, Mr Negativity. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2011, 11:06:31 PM: Not meant to be negative; just answering some yes or no questions! ;D
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Post by: tracker on April 18, 2011, 11:20:53 PM: Come on, Colonel Hackworth, why keep us in the dark?
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2011, 11:29:50 PM: OOK. It's the new M107A1. :)
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: yankee2500 on April 18, 2011, 11:37:57 PM: If you were a Politician you would say I'm looking into it as a possible future purchase. And that would mean no way in hell am I going to buy one, but doesn't have the negative tone of nope & nope. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 18, 2011, 11:48:05 PM: No negative tones whatsoever; smiley faced winks and all; ;) And the nopes were answers to the questions about what the weapons were, which are nope; and correct answers. In fact, that's the only way they could be answered. Again, nothing negative about it. Sorry you're taking it that way! :)
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: Chief-USN on April 19, 2011, 03:27:44 PM: Man, this thread has gone all to hell ..... ;D

Chief
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 19, 2011, 03:48:55 PM: Yep! Sorry about that! :(
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: Reinz on April 19, 2011, 05:24:24 PM: I do agree with ya'lls definitions of "weapons", that's for sure. ;D
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: hedrok on April 20, 2011, 12:03:46 PM: I hate to bring things back from dreamland...but, last year, as I was going thru the NRA Instructors' Training, it was mentioned that we should NEVER use "weapon" to describe a gun. Use "firearm"... as was said earlier.

Strictly political correctness, I'm sure. Can't offend anyone, you know.

"he who dares not offend, cannot tell the truth."
Thomas Jefferson
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: sslater on April 20, 2011, 10:13:22 PM: In my state, a concealed carry permit is called a CPL - Concealed Pistol License. My CPL instructor - a former police officer, stressed that you never shoot to kill. You shoot to stop the threat.

I guess I'm saying that the way we use words is important. There are a lot of lawyers out there who make a hell of a good living parsing words!
"Deadly weapon" sounds a hell of a lot more threatening than "pistol", or "firearm" when we're all sitting in a circle singing Kumbaya. Whether its a deadly weapon or a pistol, it can be used for evil or good purposes.

Steve
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: Reinz on April 20, 2011, 10:33:52 PM: Good points to last two posts indeed.

Here in Texas, our Concealed Carry is called a CHL, for "Concealed Handgun License".
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: tracker on April 20, 2011, 10:35:46 PM: Now go figure. The state license permit wording is all over the map on this: weapon, pistol, handgun, etc.. Does it really matter what you call it as long as you are within your state confines?

The states give different terms for licenses or permits to carry a concealed firearm, such as a Concealed Handgun License/Permit (CHL/CHP), Concealed (Defensive/Deadly) Weapon Permit/License (CDWL/CWP/CWL), Concealed Carry Permit/License (CCP/CCL), License To Carry (Firearms) (LTC/LTCF), Carry of Concealed Deadly Weapon license (CCDW), Concealed Pistol License (CPL), etc. Thirteen states use a single permit to regulate the practices of both concealed and open carry of a handgun.
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: hedrok on April 20, 2011, 11:02:30 PM: It would be nice if everyone got on the same page with the wording...but that will never happen because each state has their respective laws worded in such a way as to create a nightmare to make sure all were changed.
When I applied for my CCW (concealed carry weapon) permit, I accidentally left my defensive knife training certificate with my firearms training paperwork. When I was called to come in and pick up my CCW card, TWO county sheriffs' deputies interviewed me to be sure that I was intending to carry a concealed firearm and specifically NOT a knife. One was a witness for the other.

Let's see...I practiced drawing from concealment hitting an 8" steel plate anywhere from 7 feet to 20 yards away with single, double and triple hits. I can carry any caliber I can conceal and I am not allowed to carry a defensive knife.

To this day, I do not understand that logic. This happened in Ohio in 2005.
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Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: Reinz on April 20, 2011, 11:03:23 PM: Being that lawyers (word doctors) and some being liberal cave ins, write up and or name these licenses, maybe some purposely throw the terms "deadly" and "weapons' in there.
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: tracker on April 20, 2011, 11:26:09 PM: For example, if I were cruising down the N.J. Turnpike around beautiful downtown Bayonne and were stopped for speeding by one of "the states" I don't think it would be wise to announce proudly that I had a CCDW from another colony.
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: Richard S on April 21, 2011, 07:57:18 AM: Quote
Now go figure. The state license permit wording is all over the map on this: weapon, pistol, handgun, etc.. Does it really matter what you call it as long as you are within your state confines?

The states give different terms for licenses or permits to carry a concealed firearm, such as a Concealed Handgun License/Permit (CHL/CHP), Concealed (Defensive/Deadly) Weapon Permit/License (CDWL/CWP/CWL), Concealed Carry Permit/License (CCP/CCL), License To Carry (Firearms) (LTC/LTCF), Carry of Concealed Deadly Weapon license (CCDW), Concealed Pistol License (CPL), etc. Thirteen states use a single permit to regulate the practices of both concealed and open carry of a handgun.

And for Tennessee it's "Handgun Carry Permit" or ("HCP"), a laminated plastic card bearing the two copies of the person's photograph (one a small holographic image to prevent forgery), name, address, date of birth, physical description (sex, height, eye color), the same number as the person's "Driver License," and a couple of bar codes on the back.

Whatever it's called or contains, I'm just glad to have it.
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 21, 2011, 03:10:35 PM: And for NC it's the Concealed Handgun Permit, also laminated, same No. as Driver's License and with personal info. I'm also happy to have it; makes purchasing guns a snap.
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: tracker on April 21, 2011, 03:20:06 PM: One lady who took my money for a shotgun I bought at an auction house called it the happy card because it made her sale so much easier.
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: kjtrains on April 21, 2011, 09:22:34 PM: I know that little card sure makes me a happy camper.
Title: Re: Weapon? or Gun?
Post by: Reinz on April 22, 2011, 05:44:11 PM: There seems to be another benefit for the license here in Texas as well. When being pulled over, you must present both, your DL and your CHL. If your are speeding, but not too excessively and you keep a good attitude, I have been let off many more times than I have been written up.

Since I have a CHL, they know I am law abiding, and fiqure I did not really mean to be speeding. Which is true most of the time. :D