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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh Accessories => Topic started by: bigdave on July 22, 2004, 09:17:45 PM
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Any one know about what Ron Graham's turn around time is on pocket holster's?
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bigdave:
Here's a link to Ron Graham's "order" page on his website. This may help you with your question.
http://www.grahamholsters.com/orders.htm
You may want to look at his "forum" page on his website. There you'll find other announcements about his turn around time, as well as being able to check the status of your order.
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Hi Big Dave:
I got 40 products made by Ron. I also have two very large orders currently pending.
As to his turn-around time, it really depends on the holster. He builds holsters in batches. I've gotten holsters from him within a week to as long as 4+ months.
Late last year Gun Test mag did a review oif his Rear Pocket holster that was so favorable that literally hundreds of orders came in overnight. That created a backlog that was unreal.
He made some changes: he now has 5 employees (both full and part time), he has created his Basic Black line and cut a deal with NAA to sell those for their guns exclusively, and he will sell some of his high end stuff for the Rohrbaugh through Rohrbaugh.
Recently he announced that he will process pocketgun holsters faster and standard firearm holsters more slowly. Just because it is a numbers game. But that may also change in time. For sometime now he has been working on a holster for full size firearms that he calls the "Gunfighter." It is a design that was developed through extensive field testing done by various police units and others. Ron thinks this is the best work to-date. I tend to agree.
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Rohrbaugh has Graham's holster's available. I just ordered a kentucy done in black african ostrage, should have it the middle of next week.
I plan on also ordering one in Reef shark.
8)
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Ok, give us the details... :)
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I hope it was the soft, rough-out model.. ;D
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;D
Your the best RJ !!
I'm very please with the one I got, I love exotic's tho!
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How about this:
(http://img4.imgspot.com/u/04/213/00/RGRohrbaughGFBeltSharkskinBlack.jpg)
(http://img4.imgspot.com/u/04/213/00/RGRohrbaughGFBeltTanOstrich.jpg)
(http://img4.imgspot.com/u/04/213/00/RGRohrbaughGFBeltTanOstrichRearView.jpg)
The top holster is a belt holster for the Rohrbaugh in sharkskin and the bottom is tan ostrich. The last photo is of the rear of the tan ostrich. This is one of Ron's only designs which use tension screws to ensure ideal belt placement and gun tension.
(Thank's RJ, I followed your instructions.)
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See, I knew you could do it... ;D
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One of the things I like so much about leather holsters is the hand fitting. When properly executed it creates a holster which precisely matches the contours of the firearm. This ensures the snug fit that keeps the weapon secure and also happens to look wonderful. I’ve noticed that many of the popular holsters mentioned aren’t very well fitted with the exception of Hedley holsters. Hedley, Sparks, Rosen, Bulman, and Del Fatti exemplify this time consuming process. Thank you for your beautiful craft.
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Hi Justin:
When I started to buy gun leather more than 30 years ago, hand boned leather wasn't very common. Back then most people wanted hand tooled leather. What you saw was a lot of lined hand tooled stuff. You had to do some real shopping to find working gun leather intended for defensive purposes. That is when I became a fan of makers like the late Chic Gaylord and Milt Sparks. They went against the mass market and developed some fine working leather.
Today, you have to be careful. I see a lot of production gun leather with fine detail, that you know wasn't created by hand boneing. Also, many police agencies require some kind of retention device. It pays to be a smart consumer.
The two holsters that I pictured above from Ron Graham was derived from a new design that he calls the Gun Fighter. That design evolved and was intended to meet certain LEO specifications. By using the tension screw he was able to eliminate the thumb break or an internal retention device. What I like about the design is that he used additional tension screws to allow the shooter to literally "lock" the holster to the belt. The design is also unsual in that the end users--the LEO's themselves--participated in the design and evaluation process.
But sometimes hand boning may cause excessive holster wear. For example, I'm not keen on having the ejection port detailed on a holster since it actually causes the ejection port to scrape against the leather causing premature wear. Some custom makers will fill the ejection port with some kind of clay or epoxy to avoid the problem.
But, I sort of weird. I'm a confirmed holster junkie. I've always been attracted to new designs. I'm always looking for a better way to carry a firearm. I wasted a lot of money over the years, but I did learn alot along the way.
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Does Ron Graham make belts?
The quality of his work speaks for itself and I'd love to get a Graham gun belt.
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Hi Folks,
Turn around time..my backlog..certainly varies..and "yes"..I do make true "gun belts" on a custom order situation.
I'm very proud of my work...it is good stuff...works well..and a true value for your money.
Like a Jimmy Lile or Randall knife...you may have to wait a bit for it...but well worth it.
Best,
Ron Graham
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I have two Graham gun belts. Both are 2 inch, black, plain leather, double thickness, but one has velcro on the inside to "grab" on to a belt holster. Excellent quality. Shooterjb has an identical gun belt, and his like mine seems to wear like iron. And, yea, I put Ron's holsters in the Randall knife category. These are investment quality pieces.
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I'm glad to see you on our forum Mr. Graham. Here's a link to give everyone an indication of turn around time:
http://p081.ezboard.com/fgrahamholsterforumfrm26
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Hi Justin,
Yeah...I know it's fun to call folks names..but who are you..and what do you do?
I get up every morning at about 6AM..then work well into about 2 AM the next morning building the best holsters I can..and selling them far below what others of less quality do.
You certainly own none of my work..or do I have an order from you.
I wonder?..what are you up too here?
Certainly...I run a vast back log..and at times..a one man shop..can not get to my mail as I would like too...but still build and ship a good 200 holsters a week...aside the virus.
My guess is...your name is not Justin...and again...you do your master no service.
One day...I will come upon you..and all Hell will follow Mike.
Best,
Ronbo-San
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What did I do? :o I certainly didn't mean any disrespect. I have nothing to hide here; hopefully you don't as well.
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Hi Justin,
Yeah...I know it's fun to call folks names..but who are you..and what do you do?
I get up every morning at about 6AM..then work well into about 2 AM the next morning building the best holsters I can..and selling them far below what others of less quality do.
You certainly own none of my work..or do I have an order from you.
I wonder?..what are you up too here?
Certainly...I run a vast back log..and at times..a one man shop..can not get to my mail as I would like too...but still build and ship a good 200 holsters a week...aside the virus.
My guess is...your name is not Justin...and again...you do your master no service.
One day...I will come upon you..and all Hell will follow Mike.
Best,
Ronbo-San
Sounds like Mr. Graham needs a little bit more sleep......
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Those that know Ron personally please help.
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>>I don't know anyone here, but I do know a thing or two about the use of the internet in trying to work out issues with people...and at times it's kinda like driving on a busy interstate with a board in your face = you can look in the mirror to see behind, and side to side is ok...but you can't see anything in front which can make it hard to idenify and negotiate the wreck ahead.
At best I would guess there is a guy named Mike that has done injustice to Pale_Rider...and for some reason Justin must smell like Mike to the_Rider...?...is for them to sort out but it would be nice to see closure here as it was brought up on a public forum...see...?...TW<<
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Hi Justin:
You asked for someone who knows Ron. Well, I'm his number 1, self-appointed cheerleader. Currently I own over 50 products made by Ron, including holsters, belts, et cetera.
I'm 48 years old and a self-described holster junkie. I've carried a concealed firearm for the last 23 years. While I enjoy firearms, I have never been too keen on carrying them. Carrying a firearm is not very comfortable. But for me, a necessary tool.
So I've always been on the lookout for a better way to carry a firearm. Also, when money was tight, buying a new holster was cheaper than a new gun. I'm a sucker for new designs as well.
You hit a raw nerve with Ron. First, let me talk about hand boning.
Hand boned gun leather only became the current "rage" in the mid to late 1980's. Before then, the rage was lined, hand-tooled leather holsters. Hand boneing refers to the wet moulding process a maker uses to custom fit a gun to a specific holster. All of the makers you mentioned, including Ron, all bone their products. Whether you see all of the detail on the leather surface or not doesn't mean that the holster wasn't hand boned.
The problem is to understand the difference between cosmetic and practical aspects of a holster. It is easier to get detail out of belly leather than shoulder leather. Look at horsehide holsters make 50 years ago, and you discover that the thickness of leather used then was significantly thicker than what is used today. Ask yourself why?
Today, many holsters are moulded so finely that the ejection port is visible. While it looks pretty, it is a dumb thing to do because the ejection port will scrape against the leather causing undue wear. Yet makers still do it, because of its cosmetic appeal, not its practical value.
As to Ron's backlog. Well, it take 12 to 24 months to get a Rolls Royce made from the date of the order. If you order a knife from Randall, the current wait is 4 years. Seecamp 380's have a 3 year wait. There are people like me willing to wait for the best. If you need a holster right away, there are plenty of makers out there who need the work and will crank one out for you by return mail.
Ask yourself this--why would a maker like Ron, who spend not a single dime on advertising, have more orders backlogged than most makers receive in an entire year? Maybe the quality of his designs and workmanship speak for themselves.
Now, finally, as to his exotic leather holsters--you will find no one who makes a better holster at any price--PERIOD.
I take my safety very seriously. I bought my Rohrbaugh for the same reason I own Ron Graham holsters. I want the best tools available, and sometimes you just have to wait to get the best.
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I only provided a link to help answer the original poster's question, nothing more nothing less. I felt it was completely neutral. I really didn't say anything, just provided a link.
I only have one Graham holster, the "cookie" for a keltec P32 that has served me well.
If I wanted to say bad things about a holster maker it would be Mitch Rosen anyway.
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Hi Justin:
I'm actually interested in your opinion of Rosen. Gun writers seem to love him, but I haven't met anyone that liked his stuff. My experience with his stuff is very limited.
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A couple years back I talked to Mitch Rosen about making a pocket holster for my J-frame. He quoted me something like $425 for shell cordovan with stingray trim, $600 for all stingray, and $500 for elephant. He will only put stingray trim on a shell cordovan holster. When I asked him why, he said it was part of the manufacturing process. That makes little sense to me. I think he justifies such absurd prices for the exotics because only he makes them not others in his shop and he's a total prima donna. They do look nice from pictures I've seen but can't be worth the price.
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Back to the gun belt question for a moment please - can anyone post a pic of a Graham belt?
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:D ........ Got a little off track, didn't it......... :D
GeorgeH may have a photo of a Graham made belt..
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ahhhhh Hand boning....That curse of all holster makers...Well those that seem to be only able to do it with one hand these days!!!grrrrrr..Physical therapy is of the devil!!!
Justin,
George has it dead on...You need to fit the weapon to the holster, but "lining" it out is cosmetic...It also takes more time to make the holster..
Time=$$$$
Some of my favorite examples of "hand boning" are by RJ and Ronbo, as well as Andy Arrantoonian...
RJ and Ronbo-san are 2 of my favorite holster maker's in the game...I will not comment on Mitch Rosen..except to say, that I am MUCH better looking than he is..
I hate horse hide..btw..