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Title: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Guinnessdog on May 18, 2006, 01:25:46 PM: I was back at the range yesterday after waiting a whole week since the first time I fired my new pup. Had a few problems the first time around, but had major headaches this time.

I added some skateboard tape to the front and back straps in the manner illustrated on R9 FAQ, and stoked it with 115gr Gold Dots. It was clean and well lubed. I maintained a very strong grip.

Almost without exception, I had feeding problems on the 3rd and 5th rounds. This occured with both magazines. I ran 110 rounds through it, and had malfunctions every magazinefull, with a few exceptions.

The malfunctions would look like this: the round would be stuck in the chamber at about a 45 degree angle, the nose of the bullet up and the base of the cartridge still in the magazine. What was interesting was that the breechface was riding up over the top of the round. In other words, the slide seemed to skip over the base of the cartridge as it pushed the round into the chamber, and then get stuck as the angle of the round going in got too great.

To me, this seemed to indicate that the magazine did not have enough time to present the cartridge before the slide began to strip the round off.

Interestingly, the problem became somewhat less frequent the longer I shot. My theory is that as the gun became more dirty, the slide velocity was slowed enough to allow the fresh round to be presented properly.

Any ideas? Comments? Suggestions?
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: R9SCarry on May 18, 2006, 01:58:35 PM: Welcome :) - I am sure I have not yet issued a greeting ;)

Let me say I am disappointed for you - as it sounds as though all should be fine - tape, good grip etc. As with any problem situation, I dearly wish I was able to grab the gun - shoot and inspect.

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[size=13] My theory is that as the gun became more dirty, the slide velocity was slowed enough to allow the fresh round to be presented properly.[/size]

As matter of fact I think the opposite! IMO when dirt slows slide then possibility of full excursion to rear is compromized due to drag and so greater chance that fresh round not picked up efficiently and potential for tip-up and jam. Also less ''oomph'' to guarantee going into battery as well. I can tho see some logic in thinking of the slowing aspect - but with that will go IMO a travel reduction - the more important aspect.

If this improved somewhat towards end of session I am thinking that the recoil spring easing in rate a shade could be a factor - so allowing slide to make greater rearward travel and then be better able to strip off top round properly - evening giving another msec or two for next round to fully rise up mag into position.

As slide comes back after firing it must glide over the next round which is compressed in mag' - this next step is part of a semi's critical timing and then distance travelled, velocity, dwell, all come into play.

Hard to say all this well in words - but just wish I could see that pup to evaluate. 115 GD's should be fine too >:( I have no further useful thoughts for now tho - sorry.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: sslater on May 18, 2006, 06:36:28 PM: Guinnessdog,
+1 on R9SCarry's Welcome to the Forum.
A few observations based on my own experience (coming up on 550 rounds thru my R9S) and what R9SCarry has stated:
1. The Rohrbaugh is a very tightly fitted gun and really does need to be cleaned / lubed every 60 to 80 rounds. Otherwise, strange stuff happens.
2. You really have to keep after the recoil spring. My first 200+ rounds were trouble-free. I changed the spring a little early (Owner's manual recommends 250 rounds) because it had shortened up two full coils compared to a new spring.
  2A. Then my troubles started - several FTF exactly as you described.
  2B. After 50 rounds or so, my R9S settled down - only an occasional FTF. I think the recoil spring relaxed a bit. So now I "exercise" a new spring before installing it. 50 cycles seem to shorten the spring about half a coil.
  2C. We take it for granted, but there's a complex interaction between recoil spring tension, magazine spring tension, slide velocity, & lube/cleanliness.
3. I now stick with GDHP in 124 or 115 grain loading for carry. And use mostly Blazer brass case FMJ fior practice, but try an occasional box of other premium stuff just to see what works reliably.
4. I also have duct taped a hunk of wooden chopstick to my pocket holster. To clear one of those jams you described, a good poke of the stick on the rim of the next round in the magazine allows the slide to nudge that goofy round into the chamber. The stick can then be yanked out of the breech and you're good to go. Just make sure that muzzle is pointed in a safe direction. ;)
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Michigunner on May 18, 2006, 08:19:12 PM: Guinnessdog, I would also like to welcome you.

Steve, thanks for the fine comments.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Guinnessdog on May 19, 2006, 11:40:50 AM: Thanks for the comments. I'm going to continue to shoot the pup and try different loads to hopefully sort out the problem.

Usually I could clear the jam by simply pulling back slightly on the slide until the breachface cleared the cartridge rim, then let the slide go to chamber the round. I will get myself a chopstick to aid clearing, sounds like a good trick.

What I found most puzzling is the first time out with the gun, I had 3 feeding malfunctions out of 50 rounds, the second time out it was like every 3 rounds would jam... I hope it is the spring. If it jams a lot the next time, I'll try the other spring that came with the gun. I don't believe in drawing too many conclusions until a gun is well broken in, but this was a factory refurb and the frame shows a fair amount of wear already, so I really don't think it is slide to frame tightness being the issue.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: GeorgeH on May 19, 2006, 12:21:56 PM: Mickey Yurco also reported some problems. I saw him at the Wolverine knife show last month in Novi, Michigan. These problems were not as common in the early guns, and are still uncommon for the most part, but when they do arise--the complaints are more alike than not.

We need to come-up with a way to track and solve these types of problems.
Title: I'm oneRe: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: harrydog on May 19, 2006, 06:27:27 PM: I'm one of those who have had ongoing FTF problems with my gun. I have 320 rounds through it over about 8 range sessions, so break-in is not the issue.
It's been back to Rohrbaugh twice. This last time they changed out some parts on the recoil mechanism. I've been to the range once with it since then and fired 38 rounds all of which fed perfectly with the exception of the 6th round. That round entered the chamber but the gun didn't go fully into battery, but only by about 1/8th of an inch. Dropping the magazine caused the slide to go fully into battery. After that there were no further problems.
I'm reserving judgment until after another couple of range sessions. After having as much trouble with a gun as I've had with this one, it takes awhile to regain confidence in it, especially if it's a carry piece. I really hope it is now reliable for me.
What I would like to know is has there been anyone who has had a problem R9 who has shot someone else's R9 and had no problems with it? Conversely, has anyone with a trouble free R9 shot someone else's trouble prone R9 and found it to work perfectly?
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 19, 2006, 07:51:45 PM: Guiness Dog, You are not alone my friend! Lets work together on this! My "PUP" (spelled P.O.S.) is doing the same thing yours did. Ive researched this site and have been unable to find any "followups" to the NUMEROUS people that have had these issues so Im wondering if they were ever worked out. Since my last post, I have cleaned and lubed mine as per ownersmanual, with the super-lube, and shot the wonderful Gold dots. I could not make it thru an entire magazine without a failure of some sort. After 100 rounds I tucked my tail between my legs and put the thing away, keeping my ear muffs on to drown out the "Dude, you paid how much for that?" hecklers, and polished of the rounds left with a Kel-Tec. Pretty sad when a gun less than half the price out performs the "pup"! Guess ya dont get what ya pay for! Yea, Im hoppin mad to say the least! I do apologize in advance for offending anyone however, It seems to me this "gun" has more than its share of "issues" and while im sure the "brothers" would make it right, after plunkin down $888.00 im not thrilled with the inconvienance to say the least! MR> ROHRBAUGH IF YOUR LISTENING: Ill gladly pay more money if you'll swap me out a gun that works. Like the one in the video.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Michigunner on May 20, 2006, 12:33:04 AM: capt.koolaid,

I don't blame you for being annoyed about the malfunctions. I vividly remember the first firing of my new Beretta 92FS Inox at the CCW class. It would not fire more than two consecutive rounds without failing.

Please remember that almost all owners have trouble-free performance. Otherwise, we would have negative reports from many, many people. The board would be swamped with complaints.

I know the factory folks will do their best to make it perform correctly.

Bill
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 20, 2006, 06:21:25 PM: Im totaly baffled at this point. ??? I dont want to ship the gun back, ( shouldnt have to!) >:(due to the fact it was a "factory reconditioned" gun in the first place so I would think Rohrbaugh already "fixed" anything needed fixed. It appears to be a rather old pistol, Serial number R-3##. Im curious Guiness dog, what serial number is yours? Supposedly our guns came from the same "reconditioned" lot, according to Aregos they were buy-backs that a "group of women owned who could not handle them". At any rate, Ive heard on this forum of shipping the gun back for service, only to have it returned with the same problems. In addition, Ive already lost a great deal of confidence in this piece already.

I want this gun to work! BAD! thats why I got it! I own or have owned handguns from Sig, Beretta, Smith & Wesson, Glock, Ruger, Tauras, Rossi, Walther, Seecamp, Browning, Colt, Davis, Raven, Kel-Tec, Steyr, Heckler & Koch, Harrington & Richardson, Forehand & Wadsworth, North American arms, And a couple names I forget. Ive returned a few guns before, ( Davis, Kel-tec, Beretta, and a S&W.) The only company that ever "made it right" with me was Smith & Wesson. Kel-Tec is great for customer service but the gun never worked right till I "tweaked" it. I assume the R-9s been "broke in" by now as it was "used" when I got it, and thus far Ive shot approx 100-150 rds thru it. I guess the only thing left to due is either quit whinning and keep shooting, or ship it back but I must admit, Ive buyers remorse a go-go with this thing!
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 20, 2006, 06:42:40 PM: For those interested Ive shot the R-9 with some unique occurences Id like to share. First off, I dont think Im "limpwristing" but if any of these things ring true with that, Id like your feed-back. At 243 pounds im hardly a small guy, and I wear a large size glove, ( are my hands too big?) I feel my grip strength is more than ample. The following are my malfunctions:

Lube issues: when I shot the gun the first time, It was lubed from the factory. Nothing feed except Gold-dots. I only fired one mag of Gold-Dots and that was after everything else failed. After that I ran out of range time. So I left. It should be noted Winchester 147 grain L.E.O. SXTs would NOT feed at all.

I cleaned and lubed the pistol, then lubed with super-lube as per the owners manual instructions and info from the forum here. Then I shot it. this time NOTHING would feed. This includes the famed "Gold-Dots".

I cleaned the pistol again but did not lube it in ANY way. No grease, oil, or anything. I then shot it again. This time it worked very well! even the Winchester 147 grain L.E.O. SXTs would feed! towards the end however, the gun began jamming.

I then cleaned and lubed it with only gun oil, and the first magazine of Gold-Dots ran fine. After that, it went back to jamming. It would appear this gun functions best with NO lubrication of any kind! I know this to be in contrast to manufactures instructions however, Im desperate at this point.

The malfunctions were the typical 3rd or 4th rounds, sometimes it would be the second round. usually they were failure to feeds, with a couple rounds standing straightup in the magazine looking skyward. On a couple occasions, the round would remain in the magazine and the weapon would cycle, however when I thought I had a hang-fire, opening the chamber revealed no round in it with rounds remaining in the magazine. In addition, thier were a couple hangfires with indented primers, but failure of ignition, and on a couple occasions, the magazine would drop out of the weapon despite being fully seated.

Both magazines were used with one being slighty better in performance than the other, however both certainly had thier share of "jams". I dont think my hand bumped the mag release during recoil to jettison the mags and im sure they were fully seated before firing. In addition, the mag catch seems to be rather postive so Ive no idea what that issue is!. Im certain the ammo was o.k. and from good stock as it was testfired in other weapons without fail, AND the Winchesters were approx two years old! Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Ubik380 on May 20, 2006, 09:03:37 PM: Could be:
1- A result of limpwristing or grip alignment (Maybe but probably not). Test this by having others fire the gun, see if they have the same problems.
2- Bullet misfeeding due to length or shape. FMJ should always work, so I'd use this for testing until the issue is resolved.
3- Mis-timing of the bullet feeding process: I'd bet on this one.

As the makers of small 1911 autos found, timing is a tricky matter. It involves the magazine presenting the round at the right time and proper angle, and the slide opening the ejection port at the right time and for enough time for the case/cartridge swap to occur. The extraction has to be delayed until the chamber pressure has dropped but soon enough and quick enough so that the ejection port opens all the way.

If not lubricating seems to improve the situation, try a stiffer recoil spring. An unlubricated gun is an unstable dynamic system, while the recommended grease will keep carbon and other particles in suspension, making the system dynamically consistent for a longer time. I might even stretch one of the magazine springs a little to get the cartridge in position faster. But you don't want too much pressure in the magazine which could slow down the slide when it drages on the next cartridge in the stack.

Try one solution at a time and give yourself a way to go back to the beginning. Good luck!
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 21, 2006, 08:17:36 PM: More testing is in order to be sure. Ive been trying FMJ ammo as well with similar results. Ive also passed it around and so far, out of 4 of us shooting it, one guy has been able to get thru 3 magazines without a jam. He wouldnt shoot anymore than that due to it being "uncomphortable" for him. IM puzzled by this though and he has agreed to acompany me on another outing. we shall see. Im not sure if its a timing issue how that could be repaired, and as far as stronger recoil springs, Im unable to locate any. Only source I know is Rohrbaugh but i will try the other spring supplied with the gun.

Im leary of the limpwrist agrument because I have a Kel-Tec P-40 that was unreliable and the common response was the limpwrist arguement. I replaced the recoil springs and magazine followers however and the gun worked fine.

Seems to be a common denominator with unreliable guns. They always sight limpwristing and improper lube as culprits. Outside of the Kel-Tec, this is the only gun Ive owned were grease was recomended. Im convinced if kel-tec had used wolff 22 pound recoil springs and a 9mm follower in thier P-40 it would have been recieved much more favorably.

Likewise, Im convinced the R-9 is a great idea, with good construction. If It only worked for me id be delighted!
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Guinnessdog on May 22, 2006, 11:58:48 PM: As I write this, the intrepid Jack Bauer is once again saving America from evil terrorists and a feckless President. Perhaps if he was packing an R9, everything would turn out differently...

Anyway, I just got back from the range, having run 140 rounds thru the pup in my third session with my new (used - it was a factory refurb, # 168) tool. Things went much better this time, but not flawlessly.

I checked the length of the recoil spring against the spare that came with the gun. It was one full coil shorter than the unused one, so I swapped it out. I was hoping this was the source of the problems.

I had 50 rounds of 115gr WWB ball. I fired these first. Round #3 did not go all the way into the chamber, but a light push on the back of the slide sent it home, and I burned up the rest of the box without any problems until round #48, which also didn't quite go home. Again, a light push and the round went into the chamber. I may have limp-wristed that one, I was getting a little giddy by this point so I may have lapsed concentration.

At this point I'm thinking "The spring is the thing!"

I then switched to the 40 rounds of 115gr Gold Dots I had on hand. These did not fare so well. The 4th round in every magazine failed to go fully into battery. These were not the hard-to-clear jams that I had previously experienced, but simply a round not going all the way in. Sometimes they hardly left the magazine, but always I could clear the malfunction by simply pulling back on the slide and letting it go.

It could be that this gun simply does not like Gold Dots. I'm not particularly troubled by this, as I'm amazed any gun will feed these bullets. They have a very long and relatively straight ogive, which seems to catch on anything. However, it is odd that the jams always occured on the 4th round in the magazine. This leads me to believe the magazines are somehow suspect. Tired springs?

I then burned up 50 rounds of Agila 115gr ball. I had two failures to go fully into battery in the last few rounds. By now the gun was very gunky, so I would attribute those failures to the fact that the gun was very dirty.

As an aside, this ammo seemed very "hot" in comparison to the WWB and Gold Dots. Maybe it was, or maybe my hand was getting sore by then.

So where does that leave me? Once again, further testing is required. I'm going to shop around a bit and find every different decent hollowpoint I can find. I'm encouraged, but not confident. Reliability in a defensive arm is critical. I want a gun that goes bang every time.

Clearly, the recoil spring and magazine springs are critical pieces in the puzzle. I'm going to lay in a supply of springs and swap them out frequently.

Egad! Chloe has an ex-husband!
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 23, 2006, 02:17:25 AM: Thanks for the update Guiness dog! Its nice to see someone following up on thier issue. I too have had more "testing". Like you, Im not thrilled with the gold-dot or its performance in the R-9. My last test was with 25 rounds of Blazer 115 grain. It worked flawless so now im REALY confused. Im rapidly approaching the 250 round limit for this spring and dont wanna break in a new one but im glad it worked this well.

It doesnt sit well with me getting excited over a gun costing this much going thru three magazines trouble free but, id be happy if it would be reliable the first mag thru, every time since I dont carry extra mags for it. At anyrate, ive got one or two more "tests" planned, then ill make a decision as to either keep it, or dump it. ill probably fire off 50 rounds or so wednesday, then another 50 next week. Those will be the tell tale rounds.

Even though it was a factory re-furb, it didnt appear to have been shot alot. (at all) so im wondering if it needed a "break-in".
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Guinnessdog on May 23, 2006, 10:27:07 AM: Mine had clearly been shot a lot. The frame rails were well worn as well as the area between the rails where the chamber comes in contact. I don't really care as long as it works!

I'd be happy if I could get 50 rounds thru it without a malfunction every time I went to the range. I understand the need for proper cleaning and lube and fresh springs. I'm not asking for perfection, just perfection under ideal conditions.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Michigunner on May 23, 2006, 11:52:22 AM: I really wish the tiny pistols could fire away just like the big guys, on and on, without any failures.

My goal is to do whatever it takes to establish that the first magazine will always fire perfectly with utter confidence.

And it would be a bonus if the second could, too.

Bill
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Archiver on May 24, 2006, 05:14:36 PM: Quite Frankly this thread has scared the bejesus out of my purchasing an R9! I understand that the guns in question are factory serviced older model...BUT if I were Rohrbaugh I'd take em back and replace them with new units that they tested to be flawless..if such a thing is indeed possible.

If I had extra $ or was using the R9 as backup only for a couple shots...maybe I'll buy. But honestly right now I'm gonna wait and buy a Keltec p-9 when they come out. I heard very bad things about Kel-tec reliability but have found that 2 guns I and wife own have been EXCELLENT. They eat even hardball at range quite well....and...NO I'm not a troll!

I LOVE the whole idea of the R9....and its package, materials etc. The ONLY improvement other than reliability that would probably be easily fixed that I'd recommend based on posts here is improved checkering. I have a similar grip on my daily carry Beretta 96 but also have a Beretta Billenium...and the VERY checkered grip on Billenium would probably help the R9.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: MountainMan on May 24, 2006, 07:22:39 PM: Archiver

The R9 is not for everyone and I would say if you only read this thread you would have a few concerns. Most people I know have hundreds of rounds through them without a problem. I have two and couldn't be happier.

The Kel-tec I had was junk -couldn't shoot three shots in a row without a jam. You are happy with yours so as with all guns it is the luck of the draw.

If the Kel-tec works for you and it makes you feel secure that is all that counts.

For myself if it was impossible to get another R9 and I only had one and I was offered several times what I paid for it I wouldn't sell.

Take care.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Datan on May 24, 2006, 07:28:35 PM: I don't know what the right answer is here but I'll add in my experience. I used to have FTFs until I did two things:

1) I find that for my R9, the recoil spring stiffness impacts reliability. For my R9, the recoil spring is initially too stiff. Without fail, my gun has FTFs after inserting a new recoil spring for the first 25-40 rounds - after that it works perfectly until the 250 round mark where I change the recoil spring and put another 25-40 rounds through the R9 to "condition" the recoil spring. Recoil springs are cheap and I've tested this enough times to feel comfortable that the gun will perform reliably if I do this (and one other thing).

2) On advice from Karl, I tried shooting the R9 one-handed. Since I have done that, I have never had a FTF (also doing the spring "condition"). Even with my "conditioning" of the recoil spring, I will once-in-a-while get a FTF if I shoot two-handed. So now I shoot/train one handed.

By doing both of these things, I no longer have any issues and feel good about carrying the R9 daily (been doing so for 2 years now). I'm not sure if there is one exact thing that will work for all of the issues people see from time to time but I've come to find that this gun is rather particular about how it is shot and its recoil spring. I hope you figure your R9's peculiarities out and that it will prove reliable after you learn how to deal with them. Should you have to deal with something like this? To me it is just part of this gun - it's now routine. I do wish that I knew what the issue was up front rather than the trial and error that I went through. Fortunately there is a great community of people here that are happy to speculate and test things out.

I wish you success!
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: BillinPittsburgh on May 24, 2006, 08:15:17 PM: Why does 1-handed work but not 2-handed?
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: harrydog on May 24, 2006, 10:24:40 PM: Quote
Why does 1-handed work but not 2-handed?
Karl suggested I try shooting one handed also, but in the long run it didn't solve the problem. It still baffles me as to why there are some people who just can't seem to get the R9 to function reliably, while there are others who can't get theirs to malfunction even when they intentionally limp-wrist.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 25, 2006, 02:54:14 AM: I was Going to start a new topic titled "my pup is learning", but with the responses Ive seen here, Maybe this is where it should go. O.K., Here gos: Shot 60 rounds thru it today with only 2 jams, and one of which I think was a limp-wrist due to me flinching by being struck in the head from an ejected hot case. Ammo was winchester whitebox 115 grain (50 rounds) and winchester SXT 147 grains. This performance while substandard by many standards is a VAST improvement over my shoot two, get a jam every magazine reps Ive expierianced. I honestly feel the more this gun is shot the better the performance but, now im up to 200 rounds so rather than risk wearing out a spring, Im concluding my testing at this point, and have decided to keep the R-9, and carry it although whenever possible it will be a SECOND gun, backin up my .38 snubbie ( never jammed yet!).

Heres what happend: First magazine was Whinchester 147 grain SXT. Gun jammed second round. ( round pointed skyward with bullet caught on feed ramp at an angle, very difficult to clear in a timely fashion). I emptyed the magazine out in my hands and reloaded from the whitebox ball lot. No problems one or two handed till abbout half way thru when I was doin double taps and a hot case hit me in the forehead. Im fairly certain I limpwristed after that and had a jam, ( didnt go into battery all the way, tap rack banged it and went on without a hitch.) When I had exhausted my ball ammo I stoked up with the remaining SXTs and fired em off with no problems. I have noticed firing one handed seems to be more reliable as well but ive no reason why. I was obviously happy with the improved reliability ( shooting both hands and one hand, slow and fast) but like many things I wondered why and was frustrated I had no answers. Gone are the failures to cycle ( fired round ejects but does not chamber a round from the magazine so you dont have a jam but fire on an empty chamber) and the accidental magazine jettisons, ( very peculiar considering the magazine release on the R-9 ( Im possitive it was fully seated the couple occasions this happend).

At anyrate I went to a gunsmith friend of mine and asked his thoughts as well as requesting he give it the once over. Ill post this in a seperate entry so this doesnt send me an error message to long report.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 25, 2006, 04:56:19 AM: Okay, Heres what the Village Smithy said:

The Gun had VERY little rounds put thru it by its previous owner. He surmised after an unreliable trial the owner gave up and Rohrbaugh bought the gun back, "reconditioned it", and resold it with a warranty and new springs.

I come along and buy it, the gun is not "broke in" and the springs are too stiff. After some shooting the recoil spring softens a bit and reliability is improved, ( This is why it no longer cycles without stripping a round from the magazine,).

I still have failures and in desperation try differant lube habits, shooting some rounds without ANY lubrication. This in turn excellerates the wear, ( now visible) which has "worn" the parts to the extent less friction is thier to retard movement.

I then begin using a quality OIL, not GREASE with a softened recoil spring, and magazine springs now with a "set" from being left loaded up, and a death grip on it to dispel the "your limpwristin it! cheerleaders" and reliability is improved DRAMATICALY, with a variety of rounds.

HE also said he felt reliability would continue to improve with shooting as this gun is built with such tight tollerances to counter-act the pitfalls of pocket carry, I.E. lint, etc. But did concur that you'd have to wear a few recoil springs out, then break in new ones again to get it up to par.

A word to the wise: check your grip screws after each shooting session as well, they seem to loosen up quickly.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Michigunner on May 25, 2006, 07:44:39 AM: I remember reading somewhere that the operation could be adversely affected by loose grip screws. Maybe someone will remember the post.

I continue to carry with oil rather than grease, but will always apply grease before going to the range to shoot my scheduled two magazines.

I'm glad you have taken the time and effort to tell details about your experiences. It helps everybody manage a pistol with tight tolerances. I wonder if we should receive springs that have been pre-conditioned during manufacture.

Thanks again, capt.koolaid.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Guinnessdog on May 25, 2006, 11:48:05 AM: I view these issues like a puzzle I'm trying to solve. We all know that with a gun this small for the caliber, we're getting to the edge of the performance envelope. Kind of like an exotic car, they can be perfectly reliable when properly maintained.

While on the one hand I think that any auto pistol should be able to digest ball ammo without a hiccup, ball ammo is certainly not the first choice for this gun's intended role, which is as a weapon. So I think to myself, if it chokes occasionally on FMJ, and often on Gold Dots, I should send it back and have the factory deal with it.

But something in my nature prevents me from doing that. I want to solve the problem myself. So I will continue to try different ammo until I find something that works. If that fails, I'll send it back.

I believe that the R9 is generally reliable. Posts about guns that work 100% are boring, so they don't get up a head of steam and people may get the wrong impression about a gun based on a relatively few instances. I personally believe you can't really form a valid opinion about a particular gun's reliability until you've had hundreds of round thru it, and the first 100 to 200 rounds don't count!

I'll try and get to the range soon, and will keep everyone updated.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: R9SCarry on May 25, 2006, 01:29:09 PM: Just a comment re grip screws - yes they need checked and should have a dab of medium Locktite added.

Only the right side panel is critical - it will not as I can see affect overall timing and feed aspects - it does tho cover and provide support for the trigger transfer bar and keep all that and return spring in place.

A final reminder - only use a top quality Allen wrench for those screws - 0.0625", 1/16" - not a sloppy cheap deal a thou or two undersize as that will rapidly ruin the screw head hex.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Aglifter on May 25, 2006, 06:45:00 PM: Did anyone who has to shoot the pup one handed check and see if their thumbs are dragging the slide -- I'm really confuse, since mine never goes wrong -- I grease the heck out of it -- maybe using the oil isn't providing enough lubrication?
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: harrydog on May 26, 2006, 11:20:08 AM: My thumb does not touch the slide when shooting one handed, so that's not the problem, at least not in my case.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Guinnessdog on May 26, 2006, 11:27:32 AM: Here's the latest:

I put 56 Fed. 124gr HydraShoks thru the pup last night. There were 2 FTF, one of which had the round pointing straight up and was very difficult to clear.

Then I noticed a shiny metal rod on the ground behind me. I thought for a moment it was a hinge pin from a door at the range, then I realized it was my recoil spring guide rod! It had snapped off at its attachment point and flown out of the gun. How it ended up behind me is a mystery.

I don't know how many rounds I fired with the gun missing its guide rod, but racking the slide seemed to function properly. I briefly considered firing my last few rounds, but wisdom prevailed and I packed it up.

It's going back to the factory today.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: tracker on May 26, 2006, 12:09:13 PM: Now, that's a new one and probaly the most bizarre
failure I have heard yet.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: R9SCarry on May 26, 2006, 12:51:29 PM: I am still trying to work out how the heck that could have happened!! >:(
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: tracker on May 26, 2006, 04:31:13 PM: Is the guide rod MIM by any chance?
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 26, 2006, 07:26:01 PM: I forgot who asked, but NO my thumbs not ridin the slide. Thats one of the reasons I like the R-9. ( its grip angle has a high bore axis so my fairly big hands dont get in the way of the slide). I consider the thumb drags to be up thier with limp-wristing, ( often overdone) but its an obvious thing to check and rule out so thanks for the input.

Now the guide-rod thing scares me. Ive never heard of it before either but I do know on occasions when reassembling my R-9 ive heard a distinct cracking tink like noise I attributed to the recoil spring assembly (guide rod included) snapping into place when I rack the slide. It only does it once, then its not an issue and I know if the assemblys not in thier perfect, the slide wont go on. Hope its not a matter of time before I have the same misfortune but Im VERY interested to see what "the brothers" say about it. Guinness dog thank-you for posting and for biting the bullet and sending it back! Im too cheap to have done it myself thus far, but i dont blame you. If your gun is fixed or replaced to satisfaction then I will follow suit. PLEASE keep us posted!
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 26, 2006, 07:32:01 PM: Almost forgot! The grip screws: I recall the owners manual saying the grip screws must be securely fastend or problems may occur. I think this probably means with regard to trigger function, ( when I removed mine for inspection the trigger and assembly fell apart in my hands! What a fun time I had putting everything back together!) But I kinda doubt it would cause reliabilty/feed issues UNLESS of course the grips are shifting in my hand in effect absorbing recoil in an odd limpwrist type way. Anyway Im reluctant to use lock-tite (shouldnt have to! >:() because I want to be able to remove the grip if need be for repairs, etc.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: R9SCarry on May 26, 2006, 09:16:26 PM: The only area where I could see a failure occurring in guide rod section is where the inner guide rod is threaded into the stub coming off rear spring stop disk. (The thin part around which is the smaller spring.) It is hard to even see where these two parts mate up and they are not meant to be undone by us.

No MIM in this gun - everything is machined.

The noise you hear Capt is I very much suspect the final re-alignment of the assembly within the complete gun - it has to seat intimately within the machined clearance in the frame - and a small error on reassembly (easily done - just a thou or two) would I believe allow this to occur. The key thing you mention is ''it only happens once'' :)
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: bigyimmy on May 27, 2006, 09:28:24 AM: You can use "removable lock-tite". There are several.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 27, 2006, 06:19:18 PM: ok., im goin to the hardware store! dont those require heat to remove?
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Aglifter on May 27, 2006, 07:52:18 PM: If you call Rohrbaugh, they'll give you the proper spec loctite to purchase -- it's one you have to order from a company which carries loctites industrial line -- it's a VERY low strength loctite -- fortunately, a bottle should last a life time, and it's cheap. If you search on here, I posted the item number once.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Bugsy on May 28, 2006, 03:44:39 PM: I had problems very similar to those described here. After two trips back to the factory and after trying every possible kind of ammo, grip and lubrication regimen I gave up and sold it. It may be a good gun for some but not for me. Incidentally, I own other small guns (P3AT, PM9) and don't have any problems. I don't think its me
that's the problem.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: theirishguard on May 28, 2006, 04:23:26 PM: Welcome to both Guinness and Capt,
I have friends who own Rock River 1911s, very good and expensive 1911s, in both .45acp and .38 super. Both guns ran bad until about 500 rounds and then shot great. My thoughts are this: a very expensive gun does not always mean it will always run well. Some guns need to be shot in. Ammo differences could also present problems, even within lots. A very small detail within the gun could also keep it from running. I would not shoot more than 50 rounds during a range test. Also it seems both you guys bought refurbed guns from the same dealer, could that enter into the mix? I very much hope your problems will iron out and you both will be happy and carry the pup. Returning the pups to Rohrbaugh is always an option. Good luck. Tom
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 28, 2006, 06:42:18 PM: Mines improved considerably but still not were it should be. Ill keep trying but I gotta tell ya, Ive heard MANY negative reports both here and on other forums. If I had to do it over again knowing and seeing all this....I dont know. Refurb or not!
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: MountainMan on May 29, 2006, 10:09:52 AM: Quote
Welcome to both Guinness and Capt,
I have friends who own Rock River 1911s, very good and expensive 1911s, in both .45acp and .38 super. Both guns ran bad until about 500 rounds and then shot great. My thoughts are this: a very expensive gun does not always mean it will always run well. Some guns need to be shot in. Ammo differences could also present problems, even within lots. A very small detail within the gun could also keep it from running. I would not shoot more than 50 rounds during a range test. Also it seems both you guys bought refurbed guns from the same dealer, could that enter into the mix? I very much hope your problems will iron out and you both will be happy and carry the pup. Returning the pups to Rohrbaugh is always an option. Good luck. Tom

Tom - interesting you mention that. I just got a new Kimber 1911 with an aluminmun frame. A gun with a great reputation. Directions say the gun needs a 500 round break in with ball ammo. After that they say that the most reliability is still with ball ammo.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: theirishguard on May 29, 2006, 10:13:15 AM: Dave, I always thought that guns needed to be shot some so that the parts could mate and work well. i hope you are doing well and all your parts are working. Tom
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: MountainMan on May 29, 2006, 10:29:28 AM: Quote
Mines improved considerably but still not were it should be. Ill keep trying but I gotta tell ya, Ive heard MANY negative reports both here and on other forums. If I had to do it over again knowing and seeing all this....I dont know. Refurb or not!

Hi Capt.

I'm glad that you keep trying to work it out - maybe it is time you tried to send it back and see if that solves your problems if you still are not satisfied. I personally have never for many years bought a refurb or used gun. The only way I would consider a used gun if I knew the seller.

All gun brands have their lemons and those that get these lemons trade them in or sell them if they can't get it resolved. I'm not one willing to take the chance of rebuying it.

As far as a refurb you think it would be ok and it should. My mind says it started out as a lemon and that would stop me. It is not just guns - I never buy a factory refurb of any product - but that is just me.

Besides the fact that this gun for some reason is shooter senitive I feel bad for those that get them that they don't work. Whether it is because for them it is shooter senitive, or they are shooting the wrong ammo, or needs more break in time, or is just a lemon. The vast majority work fine - same for Kimber, Glock, S&W, Ruger, Wilsons, and etc., etc., etc.

You can find stories on any forum of brand problems. When you say that you have heard "many negative reports on this forum" I would have to highly disagree. If that were true I would not still be here. You are focusing in on a few threads. Go back to the beginning and read the threads -good if you nothing to do for a few weeks. Then take the percent of negative reports to postive - in percent the negative would be very, very, very, very, small.

The vast majority I know have no problems with the R9. I have said this before - I have two and could not be happier. May even buy a third when the Stealth comes out.

I have also said before - if I only had one R9 and it was impossible by any means to get another ever - you would have a hard time buying it from me. In that situation even for a few thousand more than I paid for it I would be resistant unless I really needed the money for every day living. That time isn't here yet.

I would say to anyone - if you bought a R9 - tried everything and it doesn't work for you - than get rid of it and move on - I would have, just like I did for my malfunctioning Colt, keltec, glock, and etc. over the years.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/melissa1948/P1000859.jpg)
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: tracker on May 29, 2006, 01:02:10 PM: Dave,
Well said; it would be difficult to disagree with any
of your points because they all make sense. A lemon
is a lemon whether it be a firearm, car, camera, or
whatever it is mechanical that has chronic malfunctionitis.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: theirishguard on May 29, 2006, 03:17:53 PM: Dave, well said, I too would not buy a refurb of any kind. It doesn't seem worth the few dollar savings. In this case it sure was not worth all the trouble.
Tom
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Richard S on May 29, 2006, 05:38:53 PM: Quote
Mines improved considerably but still not were it should be. Ill keep trying but I gotta tell ya, Ive heard MANY negative reports both here and on other forums. If I had to do it over again knowing and seeing all this....I dont know. Refurb or not!

c.k:

Dave has said it about as eloquently as it can be stated. He speaks for me on this subject.

As the proud owner of R9 No. 132 (the 32nd "Pup" to be sold to the public), I monitor the Forum on a regular basis. Somehow, I seem to have missed all of those "MANY negative reports" on the R9 to which you refer. R9 No. 132 has shown no vices.

I took delivery of my R9 in May 2004. I had ordered it sight unseen based on a description of the prototype emanating from the 2002 Shot Show. Here is a link to an account of my first range session with the Rohrbaugh -- also my first post to the Forum:

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=R9S;action=display;num=1085538678

Since that time, No. 132 has shown no vices, her only modifications being a new recoil spring and a new set of grip screws. Of course, I continue my quest for a set of sterling silver grips for her -- something rather like these:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/naaguardians.jpg)

8)
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 29, 2006, 06:54:19 PM: Gentlemen! Relax! I apologize if Ive offended anyone. My sole intention here is to get something out of my investment, Hopefully thru advice etc. I agree it gets old seeing in print negative reports of your favorite gun but you see, When faced with delema, its easy to focus on the negative. Im sure thier are many posts boasting of the superiority of the R-9, But If mine was great, Id be reading and posting along side them! I realize my frustration has been posted here initialy in rather kurt fashion, however Ive been updating for the purpose of folks like Guiness who share my expieriances in the hopes that we may find/work this out together since often, failures and problems posted here have no "follow-up" reports. I will stop. I dont want to present myself as a troll or something.

That being said, I agree I should probably fish or cut bait with this gun but Im schedualed to qualify with it Tommorow so it gets yet another chance to prove itself. In addition, Im curious to see what the "brothers" do for Guiness as its my understanding he shipped his back. Obviously if it is returned with the "kinks" worked out, Then I will follow suit. I on the other hand am reluctant to ship my R-9 off since Ive read HERE of some folks who followed suit and when the weapon was returned it was just as bad, if not worse than before. So, if I can atleast save from shipping it out.....I will.

As far as the refurb thing goes, Its real simple, according to Arego's it has the same warranty. According to Rohrbaugh, ( I checked before I bought) these were not "lemons" but guns purchased by a group of women who could not handle them ( This was what the lady at Rohrbaugh said, not me, Please, no insults of calling me a shovenist pig). So, I took her word and bought one. I ASSUMED since they were REFURBS that the company would have gone over them with a fine tooth comb and did some quality control, ( They took the time to replace the Carbon fiber grips with the new improved ugly ones).

Lastly, YES thier are lemons. In everything, like people! Im not sure if mine was made on a Monday or a Friday but I do know this: When handed lemons, make lemonade. This was the ONLY chance ive had to purchase a R-9 ANYWHERE. I advertised that money was not an object and STILL these guns have eluded me since I became aware of them and now that Ive finally found one, Fickle as it may be, Im not real keen on selling it or shipping it off JUST YET. I have been rather disgusted though, As would anyone I assume, when a $20.00 Raven out performs this machine! That being said, My lovely wife has taken hold of my LWS .380 ;)so im stuck with either the R-9 or the Raven for pocket gun carry.

In conclusion, At worst, Ive got a 9mm pocket rocket that feels good in the hand, has a trigger pull second to none, and thiers something to be said for owning the worlds smallest, lightest 9mm pistol around. I enjoy showing it off to the gun club snobs, carrying it with my Sig, etc. but if I had to use it, well its a coin toss as to if it would work after the first round "jam free". But, Its only slightly bigger than a 9mm derringer so I guess thats o.k......Oh well, Im off to the range! Ill enjoy shooting my "pup" and who knows???? if Im using the right ammo, gripping the gun properly,using the right lube, firing a clean weapon, with a "good batch" of ammo, and the grip screws tight, and the winds out of the west, and the stars are in proper alignment with the moon, I may just make it thru the 37 round qualification course with narry a hiccup. If not, Im just a dumb cop, who will go back to relying on a $20.00 .25 auto saturday night special for a backup/off duty gun, with a really cool (al be it expensive) paperwieght. Good day. :-*
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: harrydog on May 29, 2006, 06:59:52 PM: Quote
I have friends who own Rock River 1911s, very good and expensive 1911s, in both .45acp and .38 super. Both guns ran bad until about 500 rounds and then shot great. My thoughts are this: a very expensive gun does not always mean it will always run well. Some guns need to be shot in.
Some guns do need to be "shot in" but I really don't think that should have to be the case.
My Springfield Professional was a VERY tightly fitted gun and was 100% reliable from the very first round fired. Same with my Wilson Tactical Elite. I also have a 1911 built by Paul Liebenberg which is very tightly fitted. He told me that it would require no break-in to be reliable and he was correct. Some "high end" 1911 builders seem to think it's okay to let the owner do the final fitting of the gun by shooting it as opposed to doing that painstaking fitting by hand prior to shipping out the gun.
The R9 is a different situation though, being that it's pushing the size envelope on 9mm pistols. It's probably more inherently finicky than most other guns, and I don't mean that in a negative way. In other words, there is probably very, very little margin for error, both in how the parts interact as well as with how the shooter holds it. I would expect that some improvement may come with break-in, but I really wouldn't think it would take more that 100 rounds or so.
I feel bad for those who just can't get the R9 to work for them. Those who have 100% reliable R9's - consider yourselves fortunate. There is no better carry piece of that size in my opinion.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Richard S on May 29, 2006, 07:47:49 PM: Quote
Gentlemen! Relax! I apologize if Ive offended anyone. * * *

C.k:

Absolutely no offense taken whatsoever in this corner of the campfire. I just hope that you will eventually find your R9 to be as "comforting" as I do mine.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: MountainMan on May 29, 2006, 07:57:46 PM: Richard - I hope someday you get those sterling silver grips - if so I'm sure there are those who got the new G10 grips who would love to take the carbon fiber ones off your hands.

Capt.
I only wished that you would have contacted Tom Watson (theirishguard) here on the forum when you were looking for a R9 - the cost would not of been that much more than you paid for the refurb. Tom is a dealer of high reputation that has also dealt with many police departments over the years. Tom has sold many, many R9s and I have yet to hear of one that has had a problem if the owner used the recommended ammo.

Though if they told me the refurb was from a woman I can see how you would figure the gun should be ok.

Being in your business it is very understandable needing a reliable gun. About loosing your LWS.380 to your wife - well she got a good deal. I have several LWS.32s and a LWS.380 on order from Tom. Truth is I carry the Seecamp and R9 about equal. Nothing beats a Seecamp disappearing in your pocket wilth a RJ holster.

Once again Capt. I hope the R9 works for you - it is one great gun -as is the Seecamp. Maybe get rid of this R9 and put in a order through Tom for one of the new R9 Stealths that are suppose to be delivered in the Fall.

Once again Capt. - nice to have you on the forum - please join in on the conversation - this forum has many great people on it - it is more than just the gun. I think a gun like the R9 brings a certain type of people together - people of honor. The same for the Seecamp on the Seecamp forum.

Dave
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: MountainMan on May 29, 2006, 08:01:24 PM: Harry

Thanks for the break in info for the 1911. I have to confess of being amazed that my new Kimber's owners manual says a 500 round full metal jacket hardball break in. It will be awhile before I put ten boxes through it. Then the spring will need changed at 800 rounds.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: tracker on May 29, 2006, 09:14:22 PM: Kool,
Just curious, why would you want to qualify with
a firearm in which you have no confidence? I have
had two bad experiences in qualifying--both worked
out--with my favorite BHP, but next time I will probably
use a Glock or a well tested 1911, of which I have several,
or maybe one of my Sigs.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: capt.koolaid on May 29, 2006, 09:42:27 PM: I must confess, I noticed Tom is expecting a new R-9 in June and for a minute, I thought about jumping on it. Understand I'd gladly pay more for a R-9 that works because my lifes worth it.

But, alas, this R-9s made me "gun-shy" about em. Ive had problem guns before, (Kel-Tec comes to mind) but, through help from the Kel-Tec forums I was able to make it work with a few inexpensive "Mods". The Kel-Tec was never a highly sought after gun for me, (at the time I had to use a Kel-Tec for compatability with my duty weapon), but after I got the bugs worked out, I fell in love with it!

Had a lemon Glock once too. Got rid of it. would have been soured on Glocks too had I not owned two previously that were EXCELLENT!

Had a lemon Beretta evidently but the customer service was so poor I decided to NEVER AGAIN give them another shot. Once they found out I was a Police Officer they bent over backwards for me, then couldn't understand why I had a problem with that when I told them after seeing how they treated civillians I would no longer remain a customer.

In all honesty, I didnt buy the refurb R-9 to save money. I did it because Ive been lurking here a while LOOKING DESPERATLY for an R-9 and none has been available, new, used, or otherwise. I began to think if I didnt jump on the refurb I'd never find one. So...I took the plunge!

Then again, what would I do with my lemon R-9 if I bought a new one? would the new one not be a lemon? How would I sell my lemon R-9? list it as a lemon and hope for a charatable contributer to come along? Then thiers the risk of whoever bought my Lemon R-9 being disatisfied and being a "problem customer" for me. I dont need that!

Im optimistic and still have a few avenues left. If Rohrbaugh replaces Guinness dogs problem "pup" with a brand-new one and offers to include the Carbon Fiber grips for his trouble then you can believe Ill ship mine out the next day! But realisticaly, I doubt that will happen. Maybe some dealer would allow me a trade-in of sorts. You know, a used R-9 trade in for a new one! Yea right!....Guess I need a reality check.

But I can dream!.....Greetings Capt! This is Eric. we examined your gun and found it to be signifigantly in error of machining tolerances! We apologize for the inconvienance however your patronage is valued to us. We were unable to correct the problem. Please accept this new R-9 stealth with carbon fiber grips as a suitable replacement! Rest assured it has been tested and found to be without fault! Have a nice day!

I know, far fetched. I contacted Rohrbaugh initialy BEFORE my purchase to secure a test model for our department like it says is available on thier website but the same female told me they quit doing that. ...wonder why? ??? Anyway, Ive thought about contacting the brothers and asking If I could somehow swap em my R-9 for that OLD, BEAT UP, 1XX serial number series R-9s that they loaned out to gun magazine writers for testing. It seemed to work o.k.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: bigyimmy on May 29, 2006, 10:15:38 PM: I love my problem free R9. It is a very effective use of weight and size for a carry gun.

~Hold it like you mean it.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Guinnessdog on May 29, 2006, 11:44:48 PM: OK everybody, breathe into a paper bag for a bit, I sent the pup off and I promise to fill you in the moment I get back from the range once it returns! I'll give a full report including turnaround time, any correspondence, etc.

Watch this space for further developments...
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: tracker on May 30, 2006, 12:21:25 AM: Guinessdog and Kool,
When you say back off and breathe into a paper bag
keep in mind that we did not start this issue; we only
tried to give some perspective to the scale of your
individual problems compared to our overall experiences
with the R9S which is generally positive.

Granted, if you have a problem with an expensive
purchase, it is 100 % gone wrong but there is a
bigger picture here. Suffice it to say that we all
want every owner to be a satisfied one.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: theirishguard on May 30, 2006, 12:15:09 PM: Kool, Just a thought here. Why not try the gun again, taking your time, bring a friend to watch and shoot and see what is going on at the range. If then, you don't get it worked out contact Rohrbaugh and give them a chance to fix the problem. On the carbon fiber grips thing, they don't have any more, so count that out. You will find the R bros also have an interest in solving this problem as well. They are fine people, so let them cure the problem.
Tom
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Guinnessdog on May 30, 2006, 12:22:31 PM: Guns and the issues surrounding them can be emotionally charged. I'm simply saying let's stay cool and wait to give the factory the opportunity to resolve the problem.

I will give a full, accurate and balanced report when it returns.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: theirishguard on May 30, 2006, 12:48:37 PM: Guinness, that sounds like a great idea. Guinness is my favorite draft as well.
Tom
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: harrydog on May 30, 2006, 01:51:11 PM: Tom,
Have you ever tasted Guinness in Ireland? It's so much better than what they export to this country. I imagine it has to do with the freshness.
OK, sorry....back on topic now. :)
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Guinnessdog on May 30, 2006, 04:13:12 PM: i've never had the good fortune of visiting the Emerald Isle, but I hear that the closer you get to Dublin, the better the Guinness gets.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: tracker on May 30, 2006, 04:39:54 PM: I can attest that it is definitely better when tasted
on the old sod; that version dosen't travel well or long.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: theirishguard on May 30, 2006, 04:56:00 PM: the Guinness is great any where in Ireland, even better at the brewery.
Tom
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: groo on June 06, 2006, 10:24:18 PM: hi
you might try to shoot one handed. strong then weak.
i have found that on some short guns you can hold them too tight.
the gun works better the longer you go in the shooting session
you get worn out and let the gun run a little causing the slide to slow a little and the gun to move more.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: MountainMan on June 06, 2006, 10:52:47 PM: Welcome Groo!
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: Michigunner on June 07, 2006, 12:10:37 AM: groo,

Welcome to the board.

Bill
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: harrydog on June 07, 2006, 01:33:44 PM: Quote
hi
i have found that on some short guns you can hold them too tight.
the gun works better the longer you go in the shooting session
you get worn out and let the gun run a little causing the slide to slow a little and the gun to move more.
That's an interesting theory. I'll have to try a more relaxed hold on the R9 next time. I've always used an extremely firm grip with the R9 in the past.
Title: Re: Second time with my new R9s - problems!
Post by: tracker on June 07, 2006, 02:29:23 PM: Along that line I was thinking the other day that not
only tight but a high grip, and it doesn't take much,
for the hand to get in the way of the slide and impede
the full cycle. This could be the possible cause of some
failures to eject, especially for those with large hands.
I have small hands so it is less of a problem.
Next time I go to the range I think I will focus on the
hand's relationship to the slide.