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Title: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Mort on April 29, 2009, 11:47:34 AM
There is a fairly early R9S listed on "gunbroker". In the item description he states it is used by "the CIA and FBI as deep undercover."

Anyone able to verify this statement?

Mort
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 29, 2009, 12:57:12 PM
I saw that also, it's the first I had heard of it.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: sdlsaginaw on April 29, 2009, 02:33:40 PM
And it's going for some serious coin for a two-tone.  I wonder if that's because of the CF grips, the 3-digit SN, or just crazy bidding.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ccoorreeyy on April 29, 2009, 02:38:42 PM
Yep.  It's new in the box but is an older gun with CF and that seems to be bringing some big $$.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: sdlsaginaw on April 29, 2009, 03:19:17 PM
Being NIB, that probably means the factory would update the recoil/mag springs for free?

Those CF grips are pretty sweet I have to admit, but with the rarity I'd hate to carry it with them.  I can already see where my pocket is wearing the G10 on the edge (just a visual oddity at this point, nothing you can feel).

Man I wish IDM would produce another batch of black Aluminum grips.  I want a set of those way more than CF.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on April 30, 2009, 09:21:52 AM
I am the idiot with the present highest bid on gunbroker. I know it is high but I am trying to undo my stupidity of having sold my Farmingdale cf grip R9S.

Nobody is more critical of G10 than I and I am putting my money where my mouth is.

I could care less about CIA or FBI. The seller did not know about rarity of cf grips until I advised him. I was trying to make a deal and he kept the auction open, after posting the information I had fed him. Oops.

Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on April 30, 2009, 10:28:35 AM
ACP!  Good luck on the bid.  It's all in what you want and willing to pay for!   :)    :)
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on April 30, 2009, 12:52:46 PM
Absolutely, and thank you. I sold my Farmingdale R9 to buy a work of art that I still have. (The work is dated 1858 and cost 3.5 R9s and is worth 5 R9s today. However, the market is glutted with antiques as people seek liquidity to cover debt during the present financial crisis).

Value and price do not always intersect. Whereas value is an assessment, price is what one is willing to pay. If I win the auction, fine. If not, I have a backup plan.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Scax on April 30, 2009, 06:39:02 PM
Just curious -- did you tell the seller about his CF grips in an effort to get him to sell to you for less - lol -- just a humorous gibe?  Beware of shill bidding which is highly popular on ebay and possibly elsewhere....  I, for one, will NOT bid against you.  I'm still thinking on those Ivory-look grips which are really beautiful on the hard chrome framed R9.  Wonder how they'd look on a Stealth.  Hmmm??   ::)
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on April 30, 2009, 07:09:33 PM
Scax

I hear you on shill bidding. The auction does not have a "buy now" feature and I was trying to seal the deal earlier this week. For a guy who spent a career negotiating contracts, I was stupid to have shared the cf info with him.

Seller posted rarity notice of cf grips following my disclosure and it probably cost me over $200

I stand by my bid and will not go a penny higher. If there is a shill bidder out there, let him have the gun.

Thank you for the warning. I have got to get away from these auctions. Were it not for cf grips and immediacy of the gun, I would not be bidding.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on April 30, 2009, 07:13:54 PM
One more thing about your previous post: I still think Corey's faux ivory, hard chromed, machined grip R9 is the best looking ever. Said it before and I will say it again.

Guns do not have to be pretty to work but it sure gives pleasure to the owner, no?
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: sdlsaginaw on April 30, 2009, 07:22:59 PM
Someone could get ahold of those brass IDM grips and have the rest of the gun titanium nitride plated.  Now THAT would be a unique R9.  Enough bling that you'd need to wear sunglasses.   :)

I do agree that ivory grip gun is perty, and I'm not into ivory!
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on April 30, 2009, 08:47:39 PM
Don't know what titanium plating would look like but I sure would like a titanium frame.

I don't usually like what is referred to as bling but the one tone ivory grip R9S is beautiful.

I just put olive aluminum grips on my Stealth and the transition is understated and I really like it.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 01, 2009, 01:58:26 AM
 My last bid on that gun on gun broker was $1175, that was all I was willing to go.
 Good Luck
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 01, 2009, 08:06:44 AM
Yankee: Your bid was more sane than mine but I am determined to own it. So far it is holding up with half a day to go.

What I must do is discipline myself to retreat if the bid goes higher than mine. Whether a higher bid would reflect a shill bid or not, it is already at or above its value.

Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 01, 2009, 11:50:45 AM
The seller states the gun has been in his safe for 5 yrs., when I told him if it were five years old I believed  it would be a Farmingdale mfg., his reply was "so 4 yrs. does it make a differance" and the statement that they are $2000 now, I think he needs to gwt out more. Well a couple of hours and I think that gun will be yours.
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 01, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
Yankee

You know the one about how a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I don't want to be this guy's friend; I only want the CF grip R9S.

His statement about $2000 price tag is invented or mistaken from a SF R9.

I will know in about 20 minutes what happens. If I don't get it, I have a backup plan.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 01, 2009, 04:07:57 PM
ACP!  Congratulations!!  I see you won the bid!!   ;D    ;D
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 01, 2009, 04:16:57 PM
Yeah, but I have not received an email notification. Every other time I have won a gunbroker auction I have received a quick email notification.

Since I have contact information of seller I emailed him asking him to affirm bid and accept my intention to send him money order and fax my guy's FFL.

He has not responded. I was hoping to finalize this matter but I don't understand what is going on. I will give it a day and implement backup plan if seller does not respond.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 01, 2009, 04:44:19 PM
This person looks like he has 380 transactions, so you should be ok.  Though, I do like immediatecy as well.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: tracker on May 01, 2009, 05:02:35 PM
Congratulations, I think.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 01, 2009, 05:24:49 PM
Thank you guys. I spent a career chasing recalcitrant vendors and I am not a patient person. I already stepped on my own toes by disclosing rarity of CF grips which seller then posted on the auction.

When I log into gunbroker it says "congratulations". However, I have not received email notification nor has seller responded to my email request to affirm my intention of sending him money order. (This is that new car with no gas or gun with no ammo circumstance).

The guy's numbers are impressive on gunbroker. But, given the previous attempts to correspond, combined with the testimony of others, I do not have a warm feeling about this.

If I have no response within 24 hours I will invoke "Termination for Cause" which is a valid remedy for a nonresponsive seller. Backup plan is to buy another R9, of course!

If this guy had responded he would have already known the Express Mail tracking number with postal money order enclosed.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: sdlsaginaw on May 01, 2009, 06:09:57 PM
Since he thinks a standard R9 is worth $2000, he probably figures he should have gotten $2500 for this uber-rare one.  ::)
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Richard S on May 01, 2009, 06:20:20 PM
Congratulations, ACP! When you consider that the CF grips alone would now bring $300+ on this Forum, that there appears to be an extra magazine in the package, and that you did indeed want to own the pistol, you did well for yourself.

"I love it when a plan comes together."  8)  
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 01, 2009, 06:31:36 PM
Thank you and the point is not lost on me as to the value of the CF grips for which I am spending an acceptable premium.

However, if the seller does not respond the matter is moot.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Scax on May 01, 2009, 07:26:07 PM
Hi ACP - Congrats on the win.  I've often received delayed notifications from GunBroker when I win an auction there - so, I wouldn't worry at all.  The seller is likely on his way home from work or out spending your money- lol.  Hope it's a nice one.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 01, 2009, 08:01:17 PM
Scax

Thank you. However, he can't spend money he doesn't have and that would be my money order.

Wait, could this be? Is the seller impersonating the government spending stimulous money that he doesn't have?

I am grateful for your recommendation to give this time. Friday transactions are hateful to me because the weekend interferes with commerce.

I usually move on Sundays in order to set things up for an achieveable goal, within a given weeek, via premium deliveries.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 01, 2009, 09:00:55 PM
Man ACP, give the guy a little time.  Most people, including me, don't sit around the computer waiting on their auctions to close.  He will respond.  His numbers proves he is legit.  Congrats on the buy!!  
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 01, 2009, 09:18:51 PM
Congrats on winning the auction. I was not going any more than the $1175 and was releaved when the bid went to $1200
because I found one with the CF grips new in the box at a shop in FL and it was less than the $1175 shipped to my FFL.
It should be at my dealers on Monday.
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 01, 2009, 09:26:07 PM
Corey,

I may have opened a door for unintended consequences when I announced to the forum that I was high bidder. While your recommendation to wait has merit, I reserve the right to be disappointed.

Every prior transaction I have made on gunbroker is contrary to my experience with this deal. However, the sun will rise and tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 01, 2009, 09:27:08 PM
Yankee:

OUCH! Then again, good for you!
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 01, 2009, 10:27:07 PM
I got lucky and got the tip on the gun from a new member
saxnguns, and as luck would have it my daughter and
son-inlaw were in Datona on vacation, so they checked the gun out for me and wrote the guy a check for it.
 I hope everything works out with the auction.
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 02, 2009, 06:06:05 AM
Yankee

Thank you and I have good news on my end as seller emailed me late last night. He told me there was something wrong with my email (which is a little strange, given that I had previously corresponded with him and received gunbroker email responses when I made my bids).

However, why do battle with seller?  Instead I am  moving forward with a view toward "first things first"? I am gratified to have posted yesterday "...the sun will rise and tomorrow is another day" Today is that day.

Thank you to forum members who saw me through this transaction

BTW: Great daughter and son-in-law!
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 02, 2009, 08:21:33 AM
ACP!  Glad everything is working out!
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 02, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
Thanks again. As I told Tom Watson, I am very patient after I get my gun.

I have been spending money like crazy on guns recently. I need to step back and focus on ammo.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 02, 2009, 11:03:36 AM
If the prices keep going the way they have been, it will be an even trade of a R9s for a case of 380. :o
Glad it all worked out, and congrats.
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 02, 2009, 03:01:48 PM
You earn your spring where I live in Northern New Enland. It is only in the last month, having commenced on this forum, that I became aware of ammo shortage.

I shot a box of .380 in January at my indoor club when the temperature rose above 25 degrees below zero. (Global Warming). I did not realize then what I know now.

Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: tracker on May 02, 2009, 05:47:10 PM
I have been shooting a lot of .22 lately and I haven't done that in a
long time; even .22 ammo is in short supply as are many models
of .22 pistols and rifles.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 02, 2009, 09:26:13 PM
Yep!  I got 10 boxes of .22 Stingers, 50rd. boxes(plastic), for the same reason back in Feb.  Just to have something to shoot.   :)
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 02, 2009, 09:39:38 PM
Wow. 22 shortage? This is an emergency and worse that I thought.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: tracker on May 03, 2009, 02:10:50 PM
I have had a back order for six weeks on a brick of stingers so i
would use them judiciously. The stinger was recommended by one
source as the best ammo for a Ruger Mk II, for example.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 03, 2009, 02:34:16 PM
I just looked at Cabela's.  They say backorder 1-2 weeks.  Still have my 10 boxes.  Will shoot sparingly.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: tracker on May 03, 2009, 02:59:03 PM
My backorder is with Cabela's; it is much longer than they say; on the
other hand I received some of their premium 9mm ammo on or before
the predicted date. That was almost two months ago and things might
have tightened more since then.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 03, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
Who would have believed a world in which .22 is in short supply?

I will visit my FFL later this week to pick up the new R9S and buy .22 that is available.

I honestly don't recall if .22 was in short supply when I picked up my Stealth, the week before last, as I have been focusing on 9MM
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 03, 2009, 10:10:53 PM
I'm pretty good on 22 about 7k on hand, but will buy more if the price is right
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 04, 2009, 07:21:23 AM
7000 rounds of .22 on hand? No wonder there is a shortage.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 04, 2009, 07:38:49 AM
Wow!!
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: robertd on May 04, 2009, 07:40:45 AM
Glad you were successful in your quest. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. My model 41 thrives on CCI std. vel. Someone give a "heads-up" if you see any. I bought the last I found a Midway 2 months ago.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 04, 2009, 09:17:41 AM
I was talking to a guy I know from a local forum and he said he has over 30k rds. of ammo.
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 04, 2009, 09:54:33 AM
Another wow!!   :)    :)
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Richard S on May 04, 2009, 10:25:08 AM
That man needs more than a safe -- he needs an underground bunker.   :o

All of which somehow reminded me of stories passed down to me by my uncles about my father, who died in 1942. They used to talk about what an extraordinary shot he was with his 1906 Winchester .22 rifle. They would also recount tales about how, as a young man back in the red clay and black jacks of southern Oklahoma in the 1930s when times were hard and before WWII, he would make it a point of pride to take only one bullet with him when going rabbit hunting -- explaining to anyone who cared to listen that he only intended to shoot one rabbit. They also said that the rabbit would almost inevitably be brought back having been harvested with a head shot "so as not to spoil the meat."  

8)
Title: VRe: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 04, 2009, 10:35:25 AM
Richard's post reminds me of the vietnam movie "The Deerhunter". One shot, which augers toward the hunter's one bullet carried into the field and movie's ultimate plot.

For the record, the CF grip R9 that started this string is going forward nicely. As soon as we overcame communication start up issues, seller was impressed at the speed with which I forwarded funds and will act in kind, based upon our communications.

I will advise forum results of seller's performance and my impression of the gun when received
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 04, 2009, 11:40:12 AM
Sounds like a plan!   :)     ;)
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: tracker on May 04, 2009, 12:17:27 PM
Fast pay makes fast friends.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Newt on May 04, 2009, 12:45:45 PM
Wow! With prices like that I might think of selling one of my two "Farmingdales". :-X
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 04, 2009, 01:43:15 PM
Newt:

The gun I am getting is cf grip, two tone, low serial number and Deer Park.

The Holy Grail of R9s would have to be CF grip, one tone, Farmingdale gun; something I parted with and cannot get back.

Such is the fate of fools with money.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 04, 2009, 02:58:38 PM
OK.....Don't know how to answer that.  Don't beat yourself up.  One may come along.  You got close.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Newt on May 04, 2009, 03:21:13 PM
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Newt:



The Holy Grail of R9s would have to be CF grip, one tone, Farmingdale gun; something I parted with and cannot get back.

Yes I have two of these!
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Mort on May 04, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
Mine is a Farmingdale, CF, two tone, s/n 61x.  Anyone know when the two tone started, or how many "monotone" were produced?

Mort
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 04, 2009, 10:12:48 PM
ACP, it's doable!  After 6 months of looking I found one today that is the Holy Grail to replace the one I still wish I had never sold.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 04, 2009, 10:19:24 PM
Hey Corey!  Congratulations on the find!  Was it new?  Just wondering!!    :D    :D
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 04, 2009, 11:21:08 PM
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Wow! With prices like that I might think of selling one of my two "Farmingdales". :-X

Newt, now that Corey found one,if you ever decide to sell one put me at the top of the list. ;D
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 04, 2009, 11:26:18 PM
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Hey Corey!  Congratulations on the find!  Was it new?  Just wondering!!    :D    :D


Its been shot a few mags but its like new!
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 05, 2009, 01:11:30 AM
 Corey, congrats on the find. The one I just got has the black CF grips and is ser# R 801 with the old Deerpark, NY engraveing, and is the R9 no sights. The CF grips are going on my R9s and the G-10s will replace them. I am selling the R9 to my son-inlaw. So the search for a Farmingdale goes on.
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 05, 2009, 07:21:38 AM
I stand by my belief that Farmingdale, one tone, cf grip R9s is Holy Grail but I have spent thousands in the past two months on guns and I am taking a breather.

I still think Corey's hard chrome, faux ivory R9s, with aftermarket embellishments, is the nicest Rohrbaugh out there.

For myself, I have purchased the following in two months:

1. M39 Full House Devel (#267 of 310 made) with original box, Devel sight adjustment tool, orginal Devel catalog and copy of  a letter, circa 1991, from Devel founder, Charley Kersey, to the gunwriter Charle Petty; (previous owner)
2. R9 Stealth
3. R9S on gunbroker

If I were to find a Farmingdale, one tone, cf grip gun at a gunshow, in my native state such that I would not have to go through all the hassle of interstate transfer, would I buy it? Of corse, but right now I am taking a break.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 05, 2009, 07:57:34 AM
ACP.  I understand.  
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 05, 2009, 11:12:31 AM
Sounds like you need a break,and like you made some very nice purchases. So now there is one less Rohrbaugh hunter out there for a while. ;D
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 05, 2009, 12:45:38 PM
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Its been shot a few mags but its like new!

Like new's good!!   ;D    ;D
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Fireball7709 on May 06, 2009, 07:17:20 AM
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Corey, congrats on the find. The one I just got has the black CF grips and is ser# R 801 with the old Deerpark, NY engraveing, and is the R9 no sights. The CF grips are going on my R9s and the G-10s will replace them. I am selling the R9 to my son-inlaw. So the search for a Farmingdale goes on.
John

Congrats on winning your auction ACP!

The above post with the "old deer park" engraving...how do you know what's old and new?  I just bought a used R9S a few weeks ago with CF grips (monotone) and would like to know if it is the old or new...
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 06, 2009, 07:35:08 AM
Fireball:

My perception is that the most coveted gun is monotone, cf grip, Farmingdale. You appear to have the next best thing which is monotone, cf grip, Deer Park.

I do not know the serial number at which factory converted from monotone to two tone nor do I know when Farmingdale was abandoned for Deer Park. I defer to others in the forum.

The "new monotone" is the Stealth which I like a great deal, with the exception of the G10 grips.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 06, 2009, 09:30:27 AM
The old "Deerpark, NY" is the same style as the "Rohrbaugh" engraving on th other side of the slide, the new says
Deerpark, NY
Made in USA

In two lines as pictured

John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 06, 2009, 10:22:38 AM
I actually prefer the simplicity of the understated Deer Park, on my Stealth, over the scrolled Deer Park on earlier guns.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 06, 2009, 11:34:21 AM
I sorta like the scroll print like this dark gray frame (R631) one I scored on a week or so ago from a forum brother.

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Rohrbaugh%20time%20line/R631.jpg)
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Fireball7709 on May 06, 2009, 12:10:42 PM
Thanks for the clarification!

And now that I'm at home and actually looking at my little beastie, it not's montone....but does have the scroll lettering(I like it) R637.  So I must have the next best thing to the next best thing ::)  Hey, they're all good.  I like the ones I've seen in pictures with the rose tint/colored frame

I bought it sight unseen, I had been looking for awhile for one for less than a grand(I'm on a tight budget right now).  The gent who had it just said it's a R9S and has CF grips on the phone and he'd take $750 shipped(I got lucky).  I was stoked, he couldn't remember if it had blue grips....I was hoping, but alas, they're black :'(.  It's a shooter anyway, runs good with everything I've tried and in like new condition.  I had bought an LCP right before that was being shipped, I haven't even shot the Ruger yet and may not as I don't see myself carrying the LCP instead of the Pocket Beastie. ;D

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c18/fireball7709/Beastie002.jpg)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c18/fireball7709/Beastie003.jpg)
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ccoorreeyy on May 06, 2009, 12:31:16 PM
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 I was stoked, he couldn't remember if it had blue grips....I was hoping, but alas, they're black

I have a blue set I will trade you for the black ones if your interested.
Corey

Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 06, 2009, 12:33:27 PM
Corey and Fireball!  They both look great!!   :D    :D  I like the scroll print as well.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 07, 2009, 04:42:23 PM
PTI, but I just picked up the Carbon Fiber gun that started this string and I love it. It is S/N R8XX.

"What was I Thinking?" is a question easily remedied as I contemplate my Farmingdale gun I sold about 22 months ago. What I did not realize is that I would have a resurgence of Rohrbaugh enthusiasm, nor that carbon fiber would be phased out.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 07, 2009, 10:12:07 PM
We just never know!!  
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: yankee2500 on May 07, 2009, 11:09:17 PM
I just went back to read the OP, this has gotten so long I forgot how it started.lol
John
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 08, 2009, 08:26:06 AM
Yankee:

Yeah, this string got off message for a while but it still has some good stuff in it. I wonder where all those participants went, now that I received the gun?
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Richard S on May 08, 2009, 09:16:23 AM
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Yankee:

Yeah, this string got off message for a while but it still has some good stuff in it. I wonder where all those participants went, now that I received the gun?

Although I've moved up to Critter Creek in the mountains for a long weekend, I for one am still following the thread. Congratulations again on winning the auction for that early-issue model with CF grips, especially since the deal was apparently completed to your satisfaction. I have purchased only one firearm (a Heckler & Koch P7) through Gunbroker, but I was well pleased with the result.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 08, 2009, 01:12:59 PM
Thank you Richard. Quatro would be so proud of me if he knew I had reacquired a CF R9S.

The guy I bought it from was a little slow as he does not have an FFL but the gun is pristine, unfired and I am so happy with it that I am determined not to buy another gun!

Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Newt on May 08, 2009, 03:18:05 PM
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I am determined not to buy another gun!

Famous last words!! ::)
Title: my postRe: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 08, 2009, 03:31:56 PM
Newt

Exactly. I looked at my post and laughed before I posted but you are right. However, what is a more reasonable statement is that the CF R9 I just bought is my favorite gun and it will do its job if it keeps me away from the gun auctions for now.

There are several guns that I am always looking for and never say never again.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Richard S on May 08, 2009, 04:47:29 PM
I've taken that vow a number of times myself -- and all it took was one look at that Noveske hybrid which JB assembled and I find myself "falling off the wagon" again.

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Other;action=display;num=1241652566

I think I need a 12-step program of some kind.     ;)

Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 08, 2009, 05:36:51 PM
Never heard of a Noveske before. It looks street illegal to me which means I want one.

My 100 meter perimeter gun is the P90 with the FiveSeven cartridge. Tell me the Noveske is available in 6.5 Grendel and I will be in love.

Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 08, 2009, 05:53:19 PM
Quote
I've taken that vow a number of times myself -- and all it took was one look at that Noveske hybrid which JB assembled and I find myself "falling off the wagon" again.

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Other;action=display;num=1241652566

I think I need a 12-step program of some kind.     ;)

 Where do you get a Noveske?
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: Richard S on May 08, 2009, 07:25:50 PM
ACP:

Subject to being corrected, I think the 6.5 Grendel may still be proprietary to Alexander Arms. However, assuming completion of all the required paperwork and such, it might be possible to mate a Complete 6.5 GrendelŪ Entry Upper Receiver Assembly to a Noveske lower.

http://www.alexanderarms.com/siteshopper.htm?cat=15&item=30  


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kjtrains:

The Noveskes are not easy to come by, but the process could begin here:

http://www.noveskerifleworks.com/



Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 08, 2009, 07:46:14 PM
Richard!  Thanks!!
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 08, 2009, 07:48:03 PM
Is Richard not the Answer Man or what?

I have never fired a single round of the 6.5 Grendel. My interest in the cartridge commenced with a discussion with an FFL that I had several years ago. I respected him and the positive things he had to say about the round. Since then I have read positive things about the cartridge in various firearms media

I would have to say that the difficulty of finding the ammo and the gun have driven me to want one all the more. However, I cannot pursue this now as I am still grooving on that jeweled CF R9 I got yesterday.

M16 platform guns are very hot right now and people are content with 5.56MM. Does this mean "never" for me with the 6.5 Grendel? Of course not. I have always been fascinated by hard to find guns and have always looked for guns that other people don't have
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 08, 2009, 08:12:50 PM
I just called Noveske Rifleworks LLC. and got their answering machine.   They close at 3:00 P. M.  Missed them by an hour.
I'll try again on Monday.  I just looked at the videos on their website.  This thing is awesome.    :D    :D
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 09, 2009, 08:18:17 AM
Great, just when I took the pledge to stop buying guns. Now you have me thinking.

My guess is that these guys are small and may be the Rohrbaugh of the M16 format.

Let's face it: If the M16 rifle and 1911 pistol were the ONLY guns made, there would be dozens and dozens of variations available as is already the case.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 09, 2009, 08:52:31 AM
I've never been interested in an AR 15 before, but this has caught my interest.  We'll see.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 09, 2009, 01:20:10 PM
I trained with the M16 and have fond memories of full auto in the military; aka "Rock & Roll".

The M16 format has drawn much criticism in the past 40 plus years; (most recently from our combat troops owing to anemic stopping power of the 5.56MM), but the gun has an enviable legacy with military, law enforcement and civilian users, albeit its shortcomings.
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: kjtrains on May 09, 2009, 01:31:34 PM
Hmmm!!  Something to ponder.  Should I even want the 5.56 cartridge?  Have to do some more research.  
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: LRHogFan on May 09, 2009, 04:13:55 PM
I've been working on my first AR-15 build recently.  Acquired a Mega lower and have on order a Larue Tactical 12" stealth upper.  Sent in my ATF paperwork the other day and hopefully will get both in at about the same time.  My wife thinks that I have lost my mind.  Maybe I have?  

These things can get pretty costly by the time all is said and done.  You may start off with a mild build planned, but by the time you start adding optics and other accessories, you can get up there pretty quick.  
Title: Re: FBI-CIA?
Post by: ACP on May 09, 2009, 04:46:44 PM
I was very close to completing ATF paperwork for a 12" 870 Remington shotgun, last year, but I backed out. My state allows this type of purchase but I just did not want to go through the hassle and scrutiny.

Clearly, when you see these type of weapons (and you are a law abiding good guy) the temptation exists.

Good luck with your transaction