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Looking over the manual and it recommends not to carry with round in the chamber. Just wondering if you guys do or don't, I can't see carrying a self defense pistol without a round chambered! Assuming you have a proper holster of course.........
Yey or nay will due
This should be an interesting topic.. ::)
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One up the spout, the rest behind.
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Couldn't say it any better! :) That's a yey!
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Always a round in the chamber. You might as well carry a rock if you don't IMO... Things happen very fast in a self defense situation.
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Always a round in the chamber. You might as well carry a rock if you don't IMO... Things happen very fast in a self defense situation.
Well said!!! Totally agree!!
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You won't get any nays on this forum. The manufacturer is just covering their liability.
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Way to go, tracker! ;)
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One in the chamber in anything I carry.
John
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Yay
You only draw when you plan to use, and in the heat of that moment, you don't want to have to chamber a round
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Thats what i thought... ;)
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Yea!.... Who wants a twelve hundred dollar rock? Gene
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Carry 1 in chamber, gun in holster. Gives me faster response AND never know when tat extra round will come in handy.
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Yay!!
One in the chamber and then drop the mag and load it up to full.
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Oh my yes,one in the tube,and reload mag to capacity!! ;)
And another spare mag in the off pocket!!
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+1 here - I have a few autoloaders spread around, under the bed, under the seat of the truck, spare room, etc.. ALL have one in the hole so I don't have to try and remember what pistols are loaded.
I have a friend that CCW's a Glock always and carrys unloaded with a full mag (cond 2?) any way, he looked at me like I was nuts for carrying cond 1. I just looked at him like he was the nut.
Glenn
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Glenn,
Get a stop watch and time your friend from draw to one in the chamber and the first shot on target, you can probably get a cigarette out and light it as fast. :o
John
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Just don't smoke the cigarette after lighting. Bad for your health! ;D
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When the situation arises, and you must assume it will, time is precious (your life and/or your loved ones), loaded and ready is the only way to be steady. Carlos
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"Did you say you want my wallet and my woman? Just a moment, sir, while I pull out my wallet. Oh, I pulled out my pistol instead, but if you will just give me another moment while I chamber a . . . ." [BANG! Thud.]
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/rip.gif)
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always a round in the pipe. Tom
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Nothing like a consensus. :)
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Let me add one more yea to the poll. Always, in anything i CC from .45 to .308
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CC .308? That must be quite a duster you wear to conceal that one.
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CC .308? That must be quite a duster you wear to conceal that one.
Could be a Contender maybe??
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Like this one?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=165960099
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Or an EAA Thor:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/EAAThorsingleshot308.jpg)
With an OAL of 16" and weighing 5 lbs., you would still need a good duster. ;)
http://pistolbuyersguide.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1237075510
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That'll work, too. I couldn't find a picture to pull up.
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Why not on the .308? Doc Holliday pulled it off in Tombstone with his double barreled shotgun. It may have looked like this one.
http://www.rirwin.com/images/doublebarrelsawoff.JPG
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Now that's a good looking piece. :)
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Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked over your grave... ;)
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Looking over the manual and it recommends not to carry with round in the chamber. Just wondering if you guys do or don't, I can't see carrying a self defense pistol without a round chambered! Assuming you have a proper holster of course.........
Yey or nay will due
This should be an interesting topic.. ::)
HELL YES,otherwise its an unloaded gun !!!!.
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One in the shoot & 6 in the stack for this pup, I need the extra shots & it needs to be ready for work.
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CC .308? That must be quite a duster you wear to conceal that one.
Ha Ha! Good catch tracker. That would be some pretty effective fire power for a concealed carry weapon. :o
I guess in my haste of wanting to add my vote to the poll, my pinky finger got ahead of my middle finger. I probably should quit "touch typing" and just use "hunt and peck".
Slower but no embarrassing typos. ;D
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Q:
Think nothing of it. It just gave us a chance to let our imaginations run.
As for typographical errors, I'm notorious for making them. Just check the number of times I've edited my posts to clean up typos. (Of course, I blame it all on the missing first joint of my right ring finger.) ;D
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One in the chamber of my primary gun and my back-up gun!
Oh...... Almost forgot...in my pup too (hideout gun) ;)
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Like I always tell my wife, "if you ever need to use one of my guns honey, just pull the trigger".
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R9 too light to use as a club!
Always fully loaded, and one in the pipe.
Cliff
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Like I always tell my wife, "if you ever need to use one of my guns honey, just pull the trigger".
That's EXACTLY what I've been saying to my wife for years.
"If you ever need to use one they're all loaded, just grab one, point it and pull the trigger".
Great minds? ;D
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Ha Ha! Good catch tracker. That would be some pretty effective fire power for a concealed carry weapon. :o
I guess in my haste of wanting to add my vote to the poll, my pinky finger got ahead of my middle finger. I probably should quit "touch typing" and just use "hunt and peck".
Slower but no embarrassing typos. ;D
I heard a good one from a guy on another forum that sent me a PM and made a typo. He said when he says is prayers he ask that all his mistakes are on the keyboard, not the reloading press.:o
John
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I like that. Without the prayers, things could go boom more then they should. ;D
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You guys carry yours LOADED? Jez... somebody could get shot that way.
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You guys carry yours LOADED? Jez... somebody could get shot that way.
Yes the perp. ;D
John
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Yes, sir.
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Ya got that right! ;D
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You guys carry yours LOADED? Jez... somebody could get shot that way.
Yes, but the cartridge in the chamber and those ready to come up behind have all been very carefully inspected and highly polished so as to be able, if needed, "to send the very best." 8)
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Yea!.... Who wants a twelve hundred dollar rock? Gene
I know a few girls,
Mike
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There is nothing more useless than an unloaded gun.
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There is nothing more useless than an unloaded gun.
Captain:
Your post has prompted me to give this matter some serious thought, and I may have found ten uses for an unloaded gun:
10. Book End;
9. Doorstop;
8. Paper Weight;
7. Tack Hammer;
6. Fishing Sinker;
5. Dinghy Anchor;
4. Theater Prop;
3. Rearview-mirror Dangle;
2. Basic Club;
and the number one use for an unloaded gun:
1. Codpiece.
;)
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Captain:
Your post has prompted me to give this matter some serious thought, and I may have found ten uses for an unloaded gun:
10. Book End;
9. Doorstop;
8. Paper Weight;
7. Tack Hammer;
6. Fishing Sinker;
5. Dinghy Anchor;
4. Theater Prop;
3. Rearview-mirror Dangle;
2. Basic Club;
and the number one use for an unloaded gun:
1. Codpiece.
;)
Have you been experimenting with a Smartcarry? ;D
Rick
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Codpiece!!!
Richard,the vision in my mind has irreparably injured my Psyche!! :o
Loaded or unloaded!!! ::) ;D
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Codpiece!!!
Richard,the vision in my mind has irreparably injured my Psyche!! :o
Loaded or unloaded!!! ::) ;D
From seeing his portraits, I'll bet Henry VIII would have approved. ;)
And, Rick, I once tried a SmartCarry but forgot I was wearing it, bent over, and almost inflicted permanent damage to . . . oh, well, you know. ;D
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What ho, Cyclops?
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I stand corrected!
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I am new to this forum... but not to CCW
and I always carry with a round chambered.
The manual was probably proofed by NY lawyers, for liability reasons.
If you cannot trust your pistol with a round chambered, buy a different pistol, because you will not have the time to chamber a round and live to tell about it, in many situations... IMHO
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JNill,
Welcome to the group, post often and enjoy the fine company found here.
John
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JNill. Welcome to the Forum. You will find a great bunch to chat with here. Again, welcome.
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JNill:
And a welcome from me as well!
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Jnill, welcome to the best forum on the internet!! As far as the one in the chamber discussion, I keep one thing in mind, out there it's them or us, and every advantage we can give ourselves is just that much better! So again YEA!! Gene
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I'm hardcore. I keep two in the chamber...
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I'm hardcore. I keep two in the chamber...
Two's company. ;)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/BritishDoubleBarrel55PinfireHowdahP.jpg)
http://www.19thcenturyweapons.com/907/howdah.html
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I'm hardcore. I keep two in the chamber...
Good move! Alfonso. :)
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Dissenting view:
I carry my R9 without a round in the chamber, (Condition 3). My training is to regard a pistol as always loaded and not to rely on a gun even when it has a positive safety, (Walther type).
I am open to criticism for those of you who wish to accuse me of carrying anything from a rock to a codpiece. I actually practice racking the slide on my R9 and getting a shot off when I am at the range.
Please consider that I am a native of New Jersey where everyone carries "Condition Zero"; no gun. I now live in a very rural area and do not feel the need to carry with a round in the chamber. On the rare occasions when I visit a town or city, particularly where crime exists, I carry with a round in the chamber.
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This is just a thought. The mind plays tricks on us all the time. Wouldn't it be hard to break a habit when you're in the city to rack the slide in a panic situation? It seems as if there's one more varible you shouldn't have to deal with. You're carrying unchambered one day, say, and the next day (to the city), chambered.
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Your carry practice is certainly your choice and criticism would serve no purpose. My only observation is that whatever you choose it should be consistent because a stressful situation could cause problems if you vary your carry condition.
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My point exactly!
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Yes, I had posted that before I read your strikingly similar observation.
If there is anything I learned from 37 years of fight training and handling emergencies in a stressful environment is that the response has to be automatic; not quick, but automatic.
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tracker and kjtrains are correct to point out that variables come into play and I would be better served to practice consistency. However, please note that when I am in a city I rack the slide prior to carrying.
Perhaps, in time, as I get the NJ whammy off my back, I will see the virtue of carrying in Condition 1. The overwhelming unanimity, in this forum, as to the importance of carrying with a round in the chamber is appreciated. I am just not there yet for the reasons given above.
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I think KJ's point is that we all revert to our training and if you have practiced racking the slide after you draw you might tend to do the same thing in a city environment even though you were already in condition 1.
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Couldn't have said it better, tracker. Excellent.
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Got it and thanks.
When I carry my Glock 36, I do so with a round in the chamber. The reason is because the Desantis holster has a "lock mechanism" that precludes a bad guy from disarming me if he were to reach for the gun.
By contrast, my R9, which I carry most of the time, is a Rafter S holster. Although it fits snugly, I still have difficulty carrying in Condition 1.
Again, I am a gun guy who spent decades in the People's Republic of New Jersey and I need to overcome my safety concerns if I am to join ranks with the vast majority on this forum.
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Back in my Army days there was a CO who had issued a standing order requiring all of his officers to unload their sidearms (magazine removed and chambered round ejected) before entering his HQ compound. That was until the inevitable happened. Some "shavetail" lieutenant returning to the compound from the field reversed the process by first racking the slide to eject the chambered round and then removing the magazine.
That was his first mistake, and you know what happened next.
Blissfully unaware that by racking the slide before removing the magazine he had chambered a new round, and thinking the 1911 was then empty (that was long before Beretta entered the scene), he then made his second mistake by using the trigger without controlling the hammer drop. As a result he d*** near shot himself in the foot. Thankfully he had at least kept the pistol pointed at the ground and no harm was done -- except to the man's pride and to his career. I don't think he ever made first lieutenant.
Not long thereafter, the standing order in question was quietly rescinded.