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Other Guns / Re: Ounce Pistols
« Last post by tracker on January 23, 2023, 11:49:33 AM »
Thanks for the info. My information on hard primers came from another expert: well known pistol smith Teddy Jacobson. I rather doubt that Hornady's machines do not seat a primer properly. In any case I will not buy any more Hornady ammo because of the problems I had with them in the R9.
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Other Guns / Re: Ounce Pistols
« Last post by backupr9 on January 23, 2023, 09:03:55 AM »
Good explanation MRC, thanks!
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Other Guns / Re: Ounce Pistols
« Last post by MRC on January 23, 2023, 08:59:14 AM »
I agree with you that a .380 is far superior to .22 LR for self defense. However, I would not use Hornady ammo in any striker fired carry pistol. I had some light strikes with their ammo in my R9. When I called them the production manager said that they would obtain their primers from any available source. This would include foreign primers which can be very hard; unlike Federal and Winchester who make their own.

In my experience, striker fired pistols hit the primer with a lot more force than hammer fired pistols.  That is why for small pocket carry pistols I think that striker fired ones are much more reliable and that is what I carry.

Hammer fired small pistols like the R9 and the Seecamps are prone to light strikes.  You just do not hear about this happening with strker fired small pistols.  I have never had an occurance of my R9 not firing on the first pull of the trigger but I have seen primers that are barely dented and went off.  The same with Seecamps.

After handloading nearly everything that I have shot in over 35 years, I can say that I have never seen a "Hard Primer".  The problem with the round not firing has always been a problem with the seating of the primer.  Either the primer pocket is a little undersized or the primer cup is a little over sized and the primer does not get seated clear to the bottom of the pocket and the anvil is not touching the case head. 

If you have had a round that does not fire on the first trigger pull but will go on the second, this is the problem.  On the first hammer drop the primer is driven down to the proper position so it fires on the second pull.  In my experience, strker fired pistols hit hard enough to drive the primer in and fire it on the first pull.

Second strike capability for a DAO pistol is brought up a lot.  If your striker fired pistol does not go off on the first pull, you better be jacking another round in the chamber.

JMO
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Other Guns / Re: Ounce Pistols
« Last post by DDGator on January 23, 2023, 07:51:05 AM »

Hmmm.  I think I would rather have an NAA mini-revolver if I thought .22 was enough... 

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Other Guns / Re: Ounce Pistols
« Last post by tracker on January 22, 2023, 07:32:30 PM »
I agree with you that a .380 is far superior to .22 LR for self defense. However, I would not use Hornady ammo in any striker fired carry pistol. I had some light strikes with their ammo in my R9. When I called them the production manager said that they would obtain their primers from any available source. This would include foreign primers which can be very hard; unlike Federal and Winchester who make their own.
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Other Guns / Re: Ounce Pistols
« Last post by PhilZ on January 22, 2023, 06:01:57 PM »
Ruger LCP is only two ounces more and I would trust a Critical
Defense 380 over a 22LR
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Other Guns / Re: Ounce Pistols
« Last post by tracker on January 22, 2023, 11:19:32 AM »
Here is the inventor of the Ounce and why he developed it. I have a reservation about carrying a rimfire cartridge for reliability reasons. However, the Mossad and  El Al Air Marshals carry a Beretta 22 LR and use it with great effectiveness.

https://ounceoz.com/about-
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Other Guns / Re: Ounce Pistols
« Last post by MikeInTexas on January 22, 2023, 10:43:52 AM »
The last video shows it is a 10 shot .22LR.


Too gimmicky for me to take seriously.

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Other Guns / Re: Ounce Pistols
« Last post by backupr9 on January 22, 2023, 08:59:19 AM »
Ugly little beast!  The “directions” and pics are a bit confusion to this old guy, and a caliber would be nice to know.  Pic looks like .22LR?  I believe I will pass on this novelty.
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Other Guns / Ounce Pistols
« Last post by tracker on January 21, 2023, 12:21:37 PM »
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