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Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: AmmoToad on August 30, 2011, 11:38:48 PM
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Well Heck…..Toad’s, not known for their patience, tend to jump the gun (no pun intended)….and procure the newest toys…..having served this Great Nation as many of you have and well know…when ya make it home, you splurge….anyway, this is the newest Toad toy….can’t wait to abuse it this weekend….it was very important to me to have a 100% American made piece, right down to the last screw. More to come Brothers! Many Great Americans have carried the 1911 into combat….if Ruger didn’t do her proud, I’ll give everything Ruger that I own away…..it’s that important to me…..those who get it….well, they just get it…..and I know a few of you do…..several come to mind…..you know who you are and ya’ll know you are always welcomed in Toadville…..Life is Grand here….sure beats the alternative….
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Toad,
I hope the Ruger works as well for you as the Super Glide.
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Me too Brother.....the Super Glide is a wonderful lady...I've had or ridden everything Harley offers, this is my favorite ever....and fortunately, I could have any of them....I'll never take my good fortune for granted, as I've seen up close an personal, it could all be gone in a blink of an eye...my Brothers, such as yourself, know of what I speak...rank and status don't matter, in the end, we are all the same...that I know.....
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Amen.
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Well Heck…..Toad’s, not known for their patience, tend to jump the gun (no pun intended)….and procure the newest toys…..having served this Great Nation as many of you have and well know…when ya make it home, you splurge….anyway, this is the newest Toad toy….can’t wait to abuse it this weekend….it was very important to me to have a 100% American made piece, right down to the last screw. More to come Brothers! Many Great Americans have carried the 1911 into combat….if Ruger didn’t do her proud, I’ll give everything Ruger that I own away…..it’s that important to me…..those who get it….well, they just get it…..and I know a few of you do…..several come to mind…..you know who you are and ya’ll know you are always welcomed in Toadville…..Life is Grand here….sure beats the alternative….
Toad. Congrats on the Ruger SR1911. I understand what you're saying. Do enjoy!
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Toad, Welcome back and congrats on the fine Ruger, I'm sure you earned it. :D
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Toad, Welcome Back Bro !
Did you get a chance to shoot this yet? I have been on the fence between a Ruger 1911 or a Springfield Range Officer. You may help push me one way or the other. (Springfield has a great Pricing program for LE, Military, and Retired Military though, I wrote Ruger asking if they offered such discounts and have not received an answer yet)
What year Super Glide do you have? I had a 1973 SuperGlide for a while, Still have my 1945 "Flathead" army Solo Bike.
Chief
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Chief,
FWIW, my gunsmith thinks that Springfield Mil-Specs are the best 1911 value on the market and the Range Officer is even better, particularly with your discount. He is looking at it from an internal and fit and finish point of view. The one he worked on for me shoots superbly and that was a GI model.
Here is a link on it from "American Handgunner."
http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/AmericanHandgunner/AHND11/
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Brothers and friends, thanks for the warm welcomes. Chief, I will write more later, but I have fired the Ruger and it worked without issue. I have to point out that the newest edition of gun Tests also gave the Springfield a slight edge, but at a slightly higher cost. I liked the look of the Ruger better, brushed stainless and the fact that it came with Novac style sites. But, the real thing for me was the 100% made in America product you get with the Ruger. Springfield is not American made, in fact it bothers me that they took that original Springfield logo and are allowing it to be applied to foreign made guns. Guns made in a country where it’s illegal to own them. Anyway, every time I pick up my Ruger, I smile thinking about the Great Americans in AZ who built and assembled my gun. I have nothing against Brazil, but I’d much rather put food in American mouths…. I’ve heard the Springfield 1911s are actually made on the same assembly line as the Taurus. Nothing against Taurus either, I own some…but giving the choice…I had to buy American. Bottom line……I went American….
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Toad. Thanks for the report on the Ruger 1911. I do like the looks of it as well. Thanks again. Continue the good work!
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If it were me, I would choose the Ruger as well just from the "steel " point.
Chances are, I would not leave it stock. My 1911 mechanic will Not work on any more Springfields just because of the inconsistences found within the steel of the gun itself. He does quite a bit of hand filing. He says it is quite disturbing when he is going along filing what appears to be hard steel and then all of a sudden hits a soft spot. Kind of like coming across an unexpected ice patch while driving.
And this is even on the never models as well.
From his point of veiw, he does not like SF at all.
I own a few and love them, even a high dollar race gun. But then, I did not have to sweat through the work either.
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I had a Springfield Ultra Compact and the slide to frame fit was terrible it rattled like my old Army 45, the gun was new and unfired and I sold it the same way.
I then got a Kimber Ultra CDP II for the same price but a world of difference in the slide fit.
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Bill Ruger was a genius and a businessman but I had forgotten about his influence on the magazine capacity law.
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Bill Ruger was a genius and a businessman but I had forgotten about his influence on the magazine capacity law.
Yes! A genius in his time and even by today's standards, indeed. Agreed.
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Ben Franklin would agree.
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Ben Franklin would agree.
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You know what they say about a genius, just a fine line from crazy. ;D
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I think I have heard that! ;D
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The Springfield Range Officer is made from 4140 steel. This may put to rest the inferior steel question of Springfields in the past.
SAE 4140 steel is a Chromium-Molybdenum steel used extensively for axles, aerospace concerns, and firearm manufacture.
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The Springfield Range Officer is made from 4140 steel. This may put to rest the inferior steel question of Springfields in the past.
SAE 4140 steel is a Chromium-Molybdenum steel used extensively for axles, aerospace concerns, and firearm manufacture.
That all sounds wonderful !
Now if those Brazilians just know how to heat treat it properly ?
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Heat treatment concerns notwithstanding I would go with the 4140 forged frame and slide of the R.O. over the cast frame and various MIM parts on the Ruger. Things do change over the years but I can remember Ruger's semi-autos in the '90s such as the P-84, P-85, P-89, P-94, P-95, etc.. I own a Ruger MK II, a mini 14, and a mini 30 which are all good guns and their revolvers are first rate but the test of time will tell.
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I hope you are right and it turns out to be one tough sob.
I hope, both are.
It's good to have choices. :D
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You're absolutely right: the more the merrier because of the choices and competition between manufacturers. I love them all, just some better than others.
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Brothers, one thing I feel compelled to still point out…I made my choice, as stated in the very first post, to purchase 100% American. It really meant something to me. I am just a simple man…don’t know much about steel alloys and such, but I like to think I know a bit about America and putting food in American mouths. It was our, as Americans, ability to out produce the rest of the world that made us great in both World Wars. If I can support that ability to produce I will. Again, nothing against Brazil, but I choose America.
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Toad,
None here would argue against American. Springfield Armory is now in Genesco, Illinois with a rich American heritage. My ancestors immigrated from Ireland as Scots Irish in 1734, fought and defeated the British at King's Mountain in 1780. Since the American Revolution we have participated in every war since then through Vietnam with the exception of 1812 and the Spanish American War. My wife's family immigrated 100 years later as indentured servants and were freed after years of servitude. The only difference between our families was 100 years. We are all immigrants except for native Americans.
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And there is a school of thought that the "Native Americans" imigrated from Asia :) . I come from a very old Family as well. The first time my family came west of the Appalachians was with Daniel Boone when he founded Boonesborough. Heck one of my family married a guy named David Crockett) The King of England gave my family a big chunk of Land in a wilderness called Ohio as a reward for what the did in the Franch and Indian war) My family fought in every war since the French and Indian wars up to and including Desert Storm. I have many career military in my family as well, (Myself included). You could say we are still fighting in them as I have one Brother that is lead Engineer for the new Joint Strike Fighter, and another that is one of the Lead engineers for Air Force Radar systems. (My Son is a LTJG Flying in Hurricane hunters for NOAA) I am all for buying American, but the product I am buying must be the best quality I can afford. I have not heard of any issues with Ruger's metal process lately. It seems they have mastered Metal Injection Molding and through the years it has served them well. I have many American made Firearms, but I also have some West German Sigs and Italian Beretta Shotguns. Even our own Military carries Small arms made by companies owned by overseas corporations.(Even though they are made in USA)
I am going to look at both the RO and the SR1911 and the one that offers the best overall combination of Price, features, quality, balance, and overall appearance to my eyes wins.
One more thing concerning Ruger. Unlike all other Firearms companies that I have talked to (S&W, Springfield, Sig-Saur, Nighthawk, and Wilson to name a few) they offer NO discounts to indivudual Military or LE Personnel.
Chief
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This one isn't my cup of tea but it is another player in a crowded 1911 field. The sights are easily changed out to Novak's or similar.
http://www.1911r1.com/Products/Firearms/Model-1911-enhanced.aspx
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Says that they're made in NY.
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Yes, sir. I thought that might help to welcome me back after the run to Sao Paulo.
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Yes, sir. I thought that might help to welcome me back after the run to Sao Paulo.
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This one isn't my cup of tea but it is another player in a crowded 1911 field. The sights are easily changed out to Novak's or similar.
http://www.1911r1.com/Products/Firearms/Model-1911-enhanced.aspx
I own this 1911R1. I was looking for a reasonably affordable shooter. I don't want to beat up my Colts to bad and just wanted something I could put truckloads of lead down range with. So far, I'd say that I am fully satisfied with the R1. Probably 1500 rounds or so fired with 2 FTF's that I can remember. 1 of the 2 after inspection was just bad craftsmanship on the round. All in all, you really cant go wrong on this one.
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I know of at least three guys that have picked up Remmingtons in the past year and are pleased with them.