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I'm going to start a new thread for this, I don't want to hijack Dino's thread like I did JHawks. So here we go, the new P7 showed up at my FFL's today. It is an "A" grade and looks great. But, it WILL look better. I don't believe it needs any internal work at all, but there again is another place where I need advice. If a little knowledge is dangerous then I must be the safest person around. So, for now I'm turning this thread over to the P7 advisory board. Any suggestions, ideas. hints or just plain thoughts gratefully accepted. Thanks in advance. Gene
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A couple things I forgot to mention in the first post.
The gun has plastic grips which have gotta go. I accessed Nill's website and left more confused than when I went in. Oh Esmeralda, where are you when I really need you? Also, the gun is marked with the NDS inside the oval. Richard mentioned that that was the insignia for the state police. It is also marked "HKI Columbus Georgia" in all the posts about the P7, I don't remember that one being mentioned. That oughta keep you busy for awhile. Thanks again, Gene
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Gene,
As previously mentioned the "NDS" is designated as the Lower Saxony region and HKI is from Columbus, Ga. because HK opened a plant there in 2004. Yours may or may not be reworked depending on a "DE" mark on the slide but the internals should be fine.
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Gene, congrats on the p7's arrival. Though I can offer no advice, I wish you the best from all the P7 experts here. I know it will turn out surperb.
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This HK link may be of assistance:
http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/faq.asp
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welcome to the world of HK!! (I own 3 but don't have a P7 yet--been thinking about one)
next to my Rohrbbaughs, they're my favorite guns (and my wife caries a 9mm P2000sk--she doesn't like the recoil of the R9)
you may want to check out the forum section on
www.hkpro.com
also be sure to check out "The Pistols" under "HKPros World of HK" on the opening page---great detailed history and variations of your gun
lots of helpful info and generally great folks on that site
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Thanks guys, you're helping already. Tracker, the slide is marked DE, which means what? Another question... the frame is marked HKI Columbus Ga, and the slide is stamped "Made in W.Germany. Thanks again for the help. Gene
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Gene,
"DE" is a recent export rollmark which just signifies Deutschland, maybe started in 2009. Earlier imports just have the circled eagle. They are all made in Germany; yours was imported into Columbus Georgia. "DE" may or may not signify that it was reworked in Germany. My opinion is that "DE" became a requirement to designate German export sometime recently. They are all good; some just more collectible than others, similar to the R9.
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Are there any other places besides Nill to get wooden grips for my P7? Thanks,for your help. Gene
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Gene. Here's a shot in the dark. Don't know if it will help or not.
http://www.grips4u.net/product_info.php?products_id=339&osCsid=f11abe75451928c53d4c8b277eb73ffd
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Gene:
Here is a shot of Pete Foldyna's Micarta grips which he made for my P7, but he also offers walnut grips: ( http://www.grips4u.net/index.php?cPath=43_66&osCsid=f11abe75451928c53d4c8b277eb73ffd ):
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/hkp7micartagripsdelfattiisp-4hol-2.jpg)
And, yes, that is a Del Fatti ISP-4 behind it. 8)
http://www.delfatti.com/ISP.html
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As always, Richard. Excellent!
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Thanks KJ & Richard, I'll start looking. Gene
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Dang it Richard,That thing Blinged me!! 8)
Oh,that ISP-4 for the P7?
I have the same for the P7M8,can't get enough of Matts fine leather!!
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Gene, congrats and welcome to the HK P7 world. Richard and everyone else thanks for all the great links and information on P7's!
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Richard and KJ, thanks for the info. I just had a long talk with Pete, the owner of grips4u. I wound up ordering the checkered walnut. I've about decided to go with Bearcoat again. The gun doesn't seem to need any internal work, and I'm very satisified with the refinishing they did on my Colt. So that should be all I need. Another adventure begins, I love it! Gene
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Way to go, Gene, on the checkered walnut. Great on the new adventure; have to keep 'em going.
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Another SOS, does anyone know where I can find grip screws for my P7? The ones that came with it are buggerd. Not badly, but more than I want with new grips. So far I've tried brownells, numrich, cdnn, top gun supply, hogue and several others. All either don't stock them or are out. Gimmie a name, people!! I'll try anywhere. As always, thanks everyone. Gene
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Another SOS, does anyone know where I can find grip screws for my P7? The ones that came with it are buggerd. Not badly, but more than I want with new grips. So far I've tried brownells, numrich, cdnn, top gun supply, hogue and several others. All either don't stock them or are out. Gimmie a name, people!! I'll try anywhere. As always, thanks everyone. Gene
They have them for $9
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/showsearchresults.asp?pageStyle=H&resultCnt=50&keyword=p7
I take that back, they are out of stock, maybe you can can get on back orkder.
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Here is another out of stock, but you can call and be put on backorder.
http://www.topgunsupply.com/hk-grip-screws/
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I have a new respect for my stock screws @ $9 a pop. Corey, maybe there is an opportunity there. Some years ago I bought some spare HK parts--holding on tight to them.
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Gene:
Here is one reported solution from PCT:
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=64587&Searchpage=1&Main=7244&Words=screws+for+P7&Search=true#Post64587
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There ya go - leave it to Richard. ;)
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Now that's a deal. Don't see that too often; no charge! :)
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Thanks Richard, you bailed me out again. On Richard's advice I accessed Park Cities Tactical and my problem is solved. I bought a pkg of 50 (!!!) stainless screws For $2.66 plus shipping. Talk about big spenders. At my age 50 screws should last about ten years. ;) Keep those ideas coming! Gene
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Well, the new grips showed up in this morning's mail, and the P-7 left for Bearcoat at noon today with an ETA of 3pm tomorrow. Interesting note, they charge 25 dollars more to do a P7 than they do for other guns. I'm guessing that this is because of the squeeze cocker. That's just a guess tho, I didn't ask. Another adventure starts. I'll keep everyone posted. Gene
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Gene:
I hope there will be pictures of that beauty.
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Gene. These adventures are interesting!
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Good going Gene, I need to put you in charge of mine. I am working with Pete at grips4u to get a set for my flush mount mag release with a round but.
He will be able to get me the proper set with some measurements from screw hole up and from screw hole down.
Again thanks to all the forum members for all the great information.
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What type and color did you decide on?
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Reinz. I chose the satin black this time around. Bearcoat says this is closest to the original HK finish. Gene
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Well, the new grips showed up in this morning's mail, and the P-7 left for Bearcoat at noon today with an ETA of 3pm tomorrow. Interesting note, they charge 25 dollars more to do a P7 than they do for other guns. I'm guessing that this is because of the squeeze cocker. That's just a guess tho, I didn't ask. Another adventure starts. I'll keep everyone posted. Gene
I think they charge the $25 because they cannot remove the bbl. so they have to take time and block it out. ???
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Newt, that makes sense. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks Gene
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I just got an email from Bearcoat. They said that gun had been received, prepped, and they were getting ready to start the refinish. Those guys are faster than McDonalds! More to come. Gene
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Gene,
You deserved a break today and you got it. Congrats on your continuing success stories with Bearcoat.
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Gene,
You deserved a break today and you got it. Congrats on your continuing success stories with Bearcoat.
Thanks, tracker, to yourself and all the other members who have helped so much! You guys have done the hard part. All I did was listen and follow suggestions. Thanks again to everyone! Gene
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Gene:
Here is another link to some HK P7 information to help pass the time until your "squeezer" gets back from Bearcoat -- although it would appear that the wait is not going to be very long. 8)
http://www.cybershooters.org/dgca/h&k_p7.htm
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Birdman, I'll bet that satin black will look fantastic!
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Thanks for the good read Richard. I hope and pray that we will never have to have a "Disabled firearms collectors association" here in our country.
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Thanks for the good read Richard. I hope and pray that we will never have to have a "Disabled firearms collectors association" here in our country.
Aslong as there are Clintons and Bidens running the country it will always be a threat.
John
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Birdman, I'll bet that satin black will look fantastic!
Gene. You have a winner in the color. Reinz said it well. :D
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I just finished re-reading that link that Richard forwarded. Good information, but I think that the title of that organization (Disabled firearms collectors association) is the saddest thing I've ever heard. God forbid that it happen here, but it could. Gene
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I just got an email from Bearcoat. They said that gun had been received, prepped, and they were getting ready to start the refinish. Those guys are faster than McDonalds! More to come. Gene
Gene. This adventure is about to end. I'm sure you have another one in mind. ;D
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Just got an email from bearcoat. The P7 shipped friday and should arrive here tomorrow. I'm anxious to try the new grips from Pete at grips4u. I'll post some pictures when I get it all together. (I still wish Esmeralda made P7 grips.) Gene
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A big Amen to that! :D
(about Esmerelda)
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I just finished re-reading that link that Richard forwarded. Good information, but I think that the title of that organization (Disabled firearms collectors association) is the saddest thing I've ever heard. God forbid that it happen here, but it could. Gene
It is sad.
At my age, I am reasonably confident that the Second Amendment will still be intact by the time I shuffle off this motal coil. However, I can only hope that the sacred right to keep and bear arms will still be available to American citizens when the heirs of my grandsons come of age.
Support the NRA!
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Richard, like you, I'm far enough down that road that I won't see the end of our freedoms. We pat each other on the back when we get a win, but while we're celerbrating a big win we lose two or three "little" battles. I get the feeling that, overall, we're losing the war. All we can do is just keep on keepin' on and hope for the best. Gene
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On a happier note, the P7 got back from from Bearcoat and looks great! All scratches and scrapes are gone. I really like the satin black finish. Everything moves much smoother, I can even feel a difference when I'm sliding a magazine in. One sour note, the grips from grips4u just didn't fit. I called Pete Foldyna at grips4u and he said send them back. I did, and ordered a pair from nill. no idea when I'll get them, but I'll get pics if and when I get the gun put together. Nill's grips are beautiful, but spendy as H***. More to come. Gene
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Gene. This chapter is not quite ended yet, then. Sorry the grips4u didn't work. Hope the Nill's do the job!
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I looked at the Nill grip site a while back and they are very nice and yes quite pricey, like R9 CFs. ;D
John
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Gene:
That is unfortunate about the Micarta grips not fitting your P7, but Karl Nill should have the matrix for your particular model.
A word of caution about the Nill walnut grips -- be very careful when removing the right panel. As you know, the P7's grips snap into place. If too much leverage is exerted from the front in removing the right grip panel, it is very easy to break the narrow back spur shown in this photograph:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/9mmtacticalstapler_1.jpg)
When removing the right Nill panel, I use a 2" putty knife to lift the forward edge very slightly and then use a finger to push the panel gently free from within the magazine well.
Good luck!
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Good advice Richard, thank you. If you look at the backside of the P7 grips you can easily understand why they are as expensive as they are. I don't think I've ever seen a grip that intricate and complicated. So I'm back to waiting. More to come. Gene
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Update, had an email this morning from MacTec. They are the U.S. distributor for Nill grips, and the site that I ordered mine from. It seems that the grips I ordered are out of stock and not expected til "the end of october". Fortunately the original equipment black plastic grips are in good shape (and look pretty good actually) so I can use them til the new ones show. More to come, don't touch that dial! Gene
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Gene. Now you've got to wait some more; wait, wait, wait; however, time does have a way of passing by; you'll have the new Nill's before you know it! Enjoy the plastic ones for now.
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Gene:
I just re-read my most recent post in this thread and noted that I referred to "Micarta" grips. I then recalled that you had earlier asked about sources for wood grips, and that I had mentioned that Pete Foldyna offered P7 grips in walnut as well as Micarta. Since I have a pair of Foldyna's Micarta grips for my P7, I just assumed that you had ordered a set as well. To use a NASCAR expression, I must have had a "brain fade." ;)
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As my grade school teacher told me over and over, "keep your mouth shut and listen. I have been doing just that and indeed have been taught a lot.
Richard great advice on right side grip, only took mine off once and it took way too long for me to figure it out.
I still have a problem, remember my P7 has the "converted" mag release with a round butt. I emailed MacTec and they emailed back and said Nill did not make a set of grips to fit my gun.
I did talk to Pete at Grips4u and he told me to measure from the screw hole down and up and call him back.
I was waiting to see how you made out Gene and now am wondering what I should do next?
Richard any other great advice on grips and sights would be appreciated.
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Gene:
I just re-read my most recent post in this thread and noted that I referred to "Micarta" grips. I then recalled that you had earlier asked about sources for wood grips, and that I had mentioned that Pete Foldyna offered P7 grips in walnut as well as Micarta. Since I have a pair of Foldyna's Micarta grips for my P7, I just assumed that you had ordered a set as well. To use a NASCAR expression, I must have had a "brain fade." ;)
Good intentions! Richard. :D
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All right, Gene, here is a Del Fatti holster for your P7: 8)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170552311360
I have no relation to the seller, but these things are hard to find since Matt suspended taking new orders in March 2008 to work on his backlog. The bidding on this one could become hot and heavy.
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As my grade school teacher told me over and over, "keep your mouth shut and listen. I have been doing just that and indeed have been taught a lot.
Richard great advice on right side grip, only took mine off once and it took way too long for me to figure it out.
I still have a problem, remember my P7 has the "converted" mag release with a round butt. I emailed MacTec and they emailed back and said Nill did not make a set of grips to fit my gun.
I did talk to Pete at Grips4u and he told me to measure from the screw hole down and up and call him back.
I was waiting to see how you made out Gene and now am wondering what I should do next?
Richard any other great advice on grips and sights would be appreciated.
Dino:
I might suggest tracing the outline of your P7's original grips onto a plain sheet of paper, indicating the location of the screw holes, and sending it to Pete. Also, I might suggest giving him a photograph or a carbon paper pressing of the inside of each grip to see if he can match your pistol's requirements.
Good luck in your effort!
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As always great advice Richard I will do just that. By the way the gun shoots great!
Any advice on a neat set of sights? Are they hard to install?
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As always great advice Richard I will do just that. By the way the gun shoots great!
Any advice on a neat set of sights? Are they hard to install?
Dino:
Some owners have installed Hi Viz sights on their P7s. Here is a link to a discussion over on PCT which might be of interest:
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=137590#Post137590
And here is a link to the Hi Viz site:
http://www.hivizsights.com/HK-P7-Front-Rear-Combo-Sight-Set-P132C17.aspx
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I don't know about them Richard, I'm afraid it would look like a mini-skirt on a 80 year old grandma..
Saw some sights on a P7 that the rear hung over the slide a little and swept up, reminded me of a wing on the back of a sports car. I will keep looking, thanks again.
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I think those sights were shown on that UK "Deactivated Gun Collectors" site:
http://www.cybershooters.org/dgca/h&k_p7.htm
I've never seen them anywhere else.
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Yeah those those "Bat-sights" remind me of some I had on one of my old HI-Powers. Except mine were flush with the slide and actually looked pretty good. I got them back in the 80's done by some Dallas gunsmith.
I regretably sold that gun. Made a lot of money at pot luck matches with it.
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All right, Gene, here is a Del Fatti holster for your P7: 8)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170552311360
I have no relation to the seller, but these things are hard to find since Matt suspended taking new orders in March 2008 to work on his backlog. The bidding on this one could become hot and heavy.
There ya go, Gene; a Del Fatti, ready and waiting! :D
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I find myself with an over abundance of P7 grip screws. As I reported in an earlier post, I had to buy 50 of them. Anyway, if anyone needs a set,or two, or however many, PM me and I'll mail them to you. I really wish I could claim credit for this idea, but I found it in Richard's link to Park Cities Tactical. The guy who posted the info about the screws had bought 100 of them (!) and came up with the idea of giving them to the members. These are stainless. I tried some on my gun and they fit perfectly. So get them before I run out, (Which will probably be never). And I might double the price at any moment. ;D ;D Gene
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Gene:
Nice touch! (There seems an unspoken "karma" between owners of R9s, P7s, Seecamps, and 1911s -- perhaps because they have all achieved "cult" status).
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Thanks, Richard. I forgot to add in my last post that these are slotted. I think you're right about the cult status, and I believe it's because each gun you mentioned is the best of it's type. Gene
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Richard that's them, I'll keep looking.
Gene I will PM you for a few screws, a little gun blue might be a nice touch on them.
Thanks.
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Dino, sent you 4 screws. You didn't say how many you wanted, so if you need more let me know. I guess I forgot to say in the other post that there's no charge. I just have way too many and there's no sense letting them go to waste. I said that I sent you the screws, what I should said was that I hoped that I sent them. The US Postal service scares H*** out of me lately. So let me know if they get there.(or don't) Gene
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Thank you Gene, I'll blue a set and send them to you.
Variety is the spcie of life.
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Dino:
Those high-profile Millett sights pictured in the UK site were the subject of some comment in this Gun Tests article:
http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/nov96aftermarket.html
As far as I can tell, Millett has discontinued their production.
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Thanks for the article, Richard. I was interested in the Bo-Mar part of it because they are on my Gold Cups. They are very good sights except there is an annoying little retaining pin that has a tendency to back out and be lost forever. A gunsmith fixed one for me so it would stay intact.
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Thanks for the article, Richard. I was interested in the Bo-Mar part of it because they are on my Gold Cups. They are very good sights except there is an annoying little retaining pin that has a tendency to back out and be lost forever. A gunsmith fixed one for me so it would stay intact.
Tracker:
I also have the Bo-Mar sights on my Colt 1991A1 and keep a close eye on that retaining pin you mention.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/clarkcustomizedcolt1991a1-1.jpg)
Early this morning here at the cabin (around 0300 hours) those Bo-Mars were part of a "red alert." Joyce and I were both awakened by a "thud" appearing to come from the living room. "Did you hear that?" she asked. "Yes," I replied (in my best attempt to appear alert while slipping on my BDUs, grabbing up a tac light and the Colt, and unlocking the bedroom door ready to repel intruders).
What do I see there in the living room but our cat, "Queen Nefertiti," with a mouse hanging from her mouth and an overturned table lamp.
"Way to go, Titi!," I mumbled as I lowered the Colt and headed back to bed. ::)
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Richard - which emotion would best describe: amped up, focused, stress/pucker factor, relieved, a little pissed, funny - all rolled into one ? ;D
add more here:
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Richard - which emotion would best describe: amped up, focused, stress/pucker factor, relieved, a little pissed, funny - all rolled into one ? ;D
add more here:
At my age, it was all of that rolled into one -- with perhaps a touch of disappointment thrown in . . . you know, rather like the feeling of being all dressed up with no place to go . . . . ;D
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;D ;D
I understand, totally.
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Having given some thought to these types of scenarios I think that disappointment may be the best outcome. There was only one Wyatt Earp and those were different times.
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Having given some thought to these types of scenarios I think that disappointment may be the best outcome. There was only one Wyatt Earp and those were different times.
I agree entirely. Even for those of us fortunate enough to live in states which have enacted the "Castle Doctrine," the after-action paperwork can be an extraordinary pain in the backside. This, in large part, is due to some of my less enlightened (and under-employed) colleagues at the Bar.
To borrow a phrase from an old Peter Sellers comedy routine, "It is not everything, I fear, which has changed for the better."
Well . . . time to secure the perimeter here at Critter Creek, stoke the fire, pour a bit of single malt, and resume re-reading Hemingway's Green Hills of Africa.
Good night, my Forum friends.
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Dino, in regards to the grips for your P7, I think you are right in going with Pete. And Richard gave some very good advice about getting the information to Pete. I can just see someone sending a tracing to MacTec, then they send it to Germany to Nill and so on. After my gun had gotten back from Bearcoat and I had seen that the grips didn't fit, I planned to take the gun and the grips down to Boise to Pete's shop and just let him fix things. It's only about a three hour drive. Unfortunately, Pete and his wife were leaving for a trip to Europe, so that plan got shot down, and that's when I decided to go with Nill, at which time MacTec threw another rock into the road, and yelled the dreaded word... BACKORDER! so anyway, I'll shut up before the tears dilute my beer anymore. Gene
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Yeah Gene, I took Richards advice and traced the grips on my gun and the inside of the gun/grip opening.
Sent them to Pete.
Let's see what happens now.
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Check the classified section for P7PSP for sale. (not mine)
http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l77/1hunterdan/boat/tires/
John
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Good looking P7, for sure!
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Dino, PM sent. Gene
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Just receive a Crossbreed holster yesterday, don't know if I like it or not. Need to spend more time with it I think.
Worked up a sweat getting it inside of my pants, on my belt, the P7 in it, and then tucking in my shirt. :-/
PM sent back Gene, thanks.
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Dino, I thank you for the offer, but I really don't need more blue ones. The originals were buggered up a little and when Bearcoat did the gun, they refinished the screws also. Even dressed the screw slots where they were messed up. I LOVE Bearcoat! Anyway, if you need more let me know. I still have 46 screws left ;D Gene
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Update, had an email this morning from MacTec. They are the U.S. distributor for Nill grips, and the site that I ordered mine from. It seems that the grips I ordered are out of stock and not expected til "the end of october". Fortunately the original equipment black plastic grips are in good shape (and look pretty good actually) so I can use them til the new ones show. More to come, don't touch that dial! Gene
Well, it seems the end of October came early. I just received an email from MacTec that said my grips had shipped today and would take 3-6 days to arrive here. Happy days! more to come. Gene
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You are really on a roll, Gene.
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Well, it seems the end of October came early. I just received an email from MacTec that said my grips had shipped today and would take 3-6 days to arrive here. Happy days! more to come. Gene
Great news, Gene. Now, just a little more waiting!
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Note: Del Fatti P7 holster offered on e-Bay (no relation to or knowledge of seller):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Del-Fatti-ISP-LP-holster-HK-H-K-P7M8-P7-PSP-/270657305301?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f046ebad5
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Gene. Another chance at a fine holster!
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Well the Nill grips showed up today. I've already installed them, and they are gorgeous. The P7 looked pretty good when I got it, but it looks great now! I'll get some pics taken tonight or tomorrow and get them posted. Next project? I don't know for sure. I've got something in mind but it's kind of a family heirloom and I don't know if I should change it. Anyway the gun is finished and as always Bearcoat did a wonderful job!! The Nill grips fit perfectly, the screw holes lined up for an exact fit and the finish was excellent. In other words just typical German craftsmanship. Stay tuned... final act coming up. Gene
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I'm sure it will be a pleasuralbe veiwing.
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Can't wait to see the pics. :D
John
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Dino; PM sent
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:D