The Rohrbaugh Forum
Miscellaneous => Classifieds -- For Buying or Selling => Topic started by: Mr_Jody_Hudson on January 21, 2005, 12:37:22 PM
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I am honored to have met Eric and to have been presented my early R9s by him!
Sadly, two things are moving me to sell it. I am personally uncomfortable with the 7 rounds for carry and I've had a long several months of severe back pain, in bed, cutting into my income drastically, and leaving me backdated on several important bills.
My R9s is #133 with the blue grips and pearlish gray frame. It has about 3,300 or perhaps 3,500 rounds through it I guess after going back and trying to figure all the different ammo, looking at a bunch of old targets, etc. and about 100 or 200 since I sent it back to Rohrbaugh to have it fully gone over and checked out.
As the Rohrbaugh Brothers are always above and beyond the call of duty they did amazing things and made the trigger even better than it was before!!!!!!!!! It is beyond belief smooth and buttery. It works perfectly with a very firm grip for me and is very accurate too of course. It seems much more accurate since it came back from the factory! It likes WWB 115 gr fmj and Speer 124 gr GDHP the best. I think I recall that the Speer is the most accurate but the WWB is excellent as well.
It has new springs and new pin installed. It comes with three magazines, extra springs, and extra pin, and extra grip screws, box, papers, etc.
REDUCED to $950 to your FFL Dealer or face to face in southern Delaware. A price I arrived at after speaking with Eric at length today. Not that Eric advised this price but realizing that this is a MOST collectable Rohrbaugh and that the price will soon be $945 to the dealer for the new ones, as I understand it - or more at retail price at dealers.
I hope someone will enjoy having one of the first of this most fine pistol with it's unique color and inscription. And it is somewhat broken in, fully checked out and updated by the Rohrbaugs and working perfectly in all ways.
I am reluctant to let my pup go, but I must! And most of my other guns must go as well.
Edited to reduce price to $950 :'(
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Say it aint so, Jody! :-[
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Jody, I've been impressed with what a fine gentleman you are, both from your posts on this forum and on other forums, and I hope your health problems come to an end soon.
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Jody my friend ... now I know why I haven't ''seen'' you for so long - I really had been wondering a lot.
This bad news. :( As a fellow back sufferer you have my utmost sympathy. IIRC we ''talked backs'' a bit over dinner last year!!!
Sad you should have to consider sale of your pup - seeing as you were - with me in part - amongst the early takers of this lil' gem. I hope someone will snap up your R9 - and give it a good home.
Do stay in touch ya hear!!! Take care.
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Jody
"It is possible that I have shot a bit over 3,000 rounds through my R9s (Sorry Eric... I know you told me to carry a lot shoot a little!!!). I did have a few ammo situations in the first several hundred rounds but I now KNOW that I was running my baby too dry."
Is this the gun your selling.
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Yes, I have gone back and looked over my sketchy records (these are records and empty cans of Speer Ammo and other ammo that I bought for the Rohrbaugh) and recollections. I'm guessing that It is more likely a total of about 3,300 to 3,500 rounds total. Actually Eric is a better judge and more reliable as to how much it has been shot and it's condition, etc. as he has seen it very recently and I've shot it very little since I got it back.
I suspect that the Rohrbaugh is good for very many tens of thousands of rounds with a frequent change of springs. However, again, Eric is a better judge of that as his and his brother's guns have had a lot of shooting done with them.
However, in a final analysis, my memory is bad and I've certainly lost track... For anyone wondering about the "wear" on the Rohrbaugh, Eric is the judge. Certainly I've shot it a lot, much more than most other Rohrbaugh owners I suspect. And it is a FINE pistol.
Sorry for the confusion on my number of rounds shot. I have a horrid memory and I hate it. Sorry folks.
Edited to change number of rounds shot above.
Edited to reduce price to $1,000 with extra magazine, pins, screws. This should be very collectable as one of the few early ones this color and with the first inscriptions.
I don't see how the number of rounds fired in this should affect the price... even for a collectable - am I correct or not?
What do you think????
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Yesterday I took my baby to one of my local dealers for his help in selling my R9s. He will market it on GunsAmerica, GunBroker, etc.
He does not charge me the regular dealer percentage to sell. If anyone who is interested from this site, I can just have him send it to your FFL holder.
I'm surprised this has not sold yet. Extra maintenance parts, extra (3rd) magazine and a full check-up from Eric and Carl Rohrbaugh as well.
Note the price $1,000 now.
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Mr. Hudson,
I mean no disrespect, but IMO you're asking too much $ for a used weapon with at least 3000 rounds through it when a new one can be had for as much. I know you're calling it a collectable, but I don't see how one can judge it a collectable item so soon in the weapon's short history(some day, maybe). I'm certainly not a "collector" so I'll probably be proven wrong :D but I would think that a $850 price tag would be more reasonable and I'll bet someone would take it off your hands. I offer you my sincere hope of your getting through your hard times and that perhaps one day again will be able to add a R9 to your collection.
Jeff
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Offer sent via PM...
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Folks, I do not feel that the Rohrbaugh has been hurt by so little shooting. Even a $200 Keltec is not hurt in value by so little shooting. Perhaps the Angel of Rohrbaughs is keeping it in my hands! The Rohrbaugh is one of the finest pistols ever made and it seems astounding to me that folks may think such a small number of rounds fired has harmed the little pup. Especially since she has been back to brothers Rohrbaugh for a full going over and appropriate blessings and such with almost no rounds fired in her since.
Do you folks really think that such a marvel of engineering, metalurgy and precision is hurt by a few boxes of ammo? I don't think so myself.
The extra recoil springs and magazine as well as the unique color, early number, etc. seem to me to make my price fair or a bit more.
Thanks for the communications however gentlemen!
I guess the little pup is waiting a new Master, not thus far visible! ;D The Rohrbaugh is the Bell of the Ball of small defense pistols. She deserves a special name on her dance card! Her Prince will come! ;D
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Jody, do you realize that your pistol is one of only 46 guns made like that? I have one as well and wouldn't think of selling it. I even ordered a new one so I can put mine away. Keep that gun if you possibly can. Don't you have a child or dog that you can sell? ;)
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Only 46 Jeff?? Well I know the S/N's of course don't give that much of a clue. My #1 must thusly be one of 46 too ... seeing as it was same time about, as Jody got his.
It has the ''s'' after R9 ... silver frame, blue grips etc ... anyways that is now a safe queen, and my #2 is carry - feel much easier now - tho #1 did do sterling work thru my ammo test programs. :)
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Hi Jeff,
Yes, she is a rare bird. Already sold the dogs and kids! :)
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I think all of the original 46 guns had the silver slide, blue grips, but the anodized frame with the purple tint, although I prefer 'plum' as it sounds more foo-foo and like it was actually suppose to be that color. They also all had a simple 3 digit serial number with no prefix or suffix. If yours is one of the original frames with silver anodizing you may have one of only a couple like it out of the 46 original guns, maybe the only one.
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Jeff, thought it was maybe more than two - but anyways .. I have the silver anodized and a three figure S/N - no prefix... oh and the ''s'' suffix (after R9) as it has sights. Had thought too Jody's was same. Anyways, my #1 is certainly special.
BTW Jeff, what was Bob's original one and yours? Obviously two very early models.
BTW, I know Eric had hoped to call on Bob after SHOT Show but schedule just too tight. He gave me an update a while ago but - wondering how they are now. I was aware they had almost exhausted savings etc ... and it all sounded like a great deal of love and very little funds.
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I do not like the contemplation of selling my baby, nor even more of actually putting her on the block.
To the best of my knowledge she is the same as Chris' lil' pup except for serial number - and that mine has been back for a second baptism by Eric and Karl. ;D
I am still seeking another way to come up with the $$$. However my body-repair bills are substantial, daily and greatly out of pocket. Prayerfully... this too shall pass. ;D
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Jody:
I wish I could purchase your "Early Bird" R9s myself, but I also have my hands full of unexpected medical bills these days. You have my sincere best wishes for a rapid and complete recovery and a happy and prosperous new year.
RS
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I WALKED today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not just a slow shuffling old codger amble but a real walk. For almost ten minutes I was able to really STRIDE like the old days - first time in a very long time. I HOPE this is a glimpse of the future!
The Rohrbaugh is still for sale! But I saw a glimmer of light at the end of this tunnel - YOWZER!!!!
By the way - payments accepted from board members here - easy payments of whatever you want for up to 60 days BUT only for readers and members of this board! She is Sweeeet! Someone from Maryland drove all the way to Delaware to squeeze and play with her, earlier this week. She is in a local gun shop that has her listed on the Net Auction sites.
Yes, I need the money but I have reduced the price for many or most of my other guns but NOT the Rohrbaugh. I feel that if I lower the price it cheapens the dignity and value of her entire family to some degree... just my opinion. I think she is worth quite a bit more than the asking price but her sweetheart has not engaged her yet! She is waiting for her sweet master and she will serve him/her well.
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Very glad to hear that Jodey - did try to call you earlier and left a message. Been concerned over your problems.
This tho is well encouraging .. so hope it continues thus ... tho still wish you hadn't to risk losing your pup.
Will try and get in touch again soon.
Best
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Hey! Thanks for that great message! I did not hear my phone ring and did not get a message notification. You are a good person Chris and thanks again for your caring message!!!
I aim to break down this barrier to living that has risen up to try and instubulate me... >:( Your encouragement means a lot to me.
I would like to see my little baby have a new master however and the dollars will go well toward soem of the folks that are working with me this last several weeks.
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>>EARTH to R9 wannabees... Guys, guys, guys (and gals)... Take note that Mr. J. Hudson is offering a realllllly sweeeeet gun for sale here. There is going to be a sizable price hike on R9s coming up which is going to make this deal look like a give away...! And those extras...you will be set to go with springs for quite a while and the 3rd magazine is a special treat. Also - when I spoke to Eric the other day he said the last of the Blue grips are gone, so between that and the early serial number on this gun some collector will be making a killing of a deal...! Since the gun was just gone over at the factory you might as well be getting a NEW gun...if you have any question about that just give Eric a quick call...yes...?...no...??
**TW shakes head and stumbles off to bed**
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... There is going to be a sizable price hike on R9s coming up which is going to make this deal look like a give away ...
The last thing I read on these forums was that there was going to be a price DROP. Now you're saying that there is going to be a price INCREASE.
Which is it? What happened to the planned drop?
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Alan - no official announcement as yet - tho I hope Eric will give me heads up soon.
So for now treat this as pure heresay/rumour.
Much suggests that a rise might be needed. Reasons are manyfold ... materials, outsourcing, facilities - costs go up, not down ... the list is long. Until anything is concrete I would just say tho that if this comes to pass, it will be solely to allow for survival and sustained production. Eric would mortgage his soul - if as I suspect he hadn't already done so!
One point many are unaware of - and even prior to knowing the decision I am sure Eric will permit me to say this as fact ... the Fed tax of 10% was never originally factored in to begin with - so if you like, Bros Rohrbaugh have taken a near $100 loss per gun since day one! That is more than significant.
As and when I know more I will post - or maybe Duane will - whoever gets Eric's official word first I expect.
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Clearly, I don't know the economics at play here, but I have no doubt that the Rohrbaugh brothers know that the higher the price point, the lower the sales.
This gun is on track to becoming a cult favorite. Seecamp--move over.
Ideally, I'd like the price point to be closer to a top-of-the-line Kahr then the Seecamp 380.
I still think that making a Seecamp 380 clone, but with a machined from a forged billet, makes sense.
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George - sure, there is always a trade-off re price and sales. Thing is, as I see it - they either survive or they don't! If they have to hike price - sales may lower BUT, they survive - then that seems preferable to going for cheap to gain extra sales but - potentially going under. Fine dividing line I'll grant you.
I think the harsh realities are - simple economics right thru - sell at a loss? Not realistic.
Consider some upper end 1911's, ''loaded'' versions ... hibrids if you will (R9 is a hibrid/thorobred). Race guns ... fancy stuff - there IS a market. If a product is what some folks want they WILL buy. If I had not got my R9's already I would in truth still want one even if price higher.
I cannot see anything on the market that matches it - some come close agreed but - only one R9. I certainly hope any increase, if forthcoming, is not too ''painful'' but as I said or implied earlier - I know with certainty that any increase will ONLY be because it is necessary - sure as heck won't be profiteering - of that I will bet my gun collection. :P
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>>Chris is correct...nothing regarding the future price of R9s has been set in stone, and to be 100% sure we will have to wait and see.
However...I stand behind the comment I made about the used R9 being a steal at $950 compared to changes in price in the near future - because this is based on a detailed discussion I had with Eric several weeks ago when I visited and stayed with Eric while helping to get the new shop set up and ready to go. With out going into more detail about price drop vs. increase, and breaking confidances Eric shared with me I will say this one last thing about a near future price increase...
If a forum member decides to buy this gun at least partially influenced by my statement about prices going up soon on new guns - and if I am wrong and the price is in fact lowered...I will pay the new owner the price difference between the old retail price for a new gun and the new, lowered price, or 10% of the new lowered price - which ever is MORE...! Make sense...? WHAT a DEAL, says they...! How could you loose, says me...?...it's just not possible...! Bear in mind you are also getting a gun recently gone over at the factory to keep it within specs...!!
Now if I could only get someone to offer ME such a deal if I am correct and we see a price increase of at least 10% before Summer...!! Any takers...?...TW<<
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... I think the harsh realities are - simple economics right thru - sell at a loss? Not realistic ...
No, never sell at a loss but if it comes down to selling X amount at YY% profit or XXX amount at Y% profit, it might be better to go with higher sales at a lower profit margin.
Eric, I've got an MBA (earned in 1986 from Seton Hall University in 1986) with an accounting back. If you want to bounce ideas off of me, I'm available.
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It hard to make any informed decisions about how "demand" will be affected by a price increase, since "supply" has yet to come close to catching up with "demand."
I too have discussed with whole situation with Eric at length, and I am loathe to break any confidences. However, I can say that a price increase is not their preference -- but may honestly be necessary.
I have analyzed to death the fact that the R-9 is really not expensive for what you are getting. Its hard to compare it to a mass produced gun made with plastic and MIM parts...
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I think a Seecamp .380 clone is a step backwards, the .380 has been done by others and it is not a major caliber. That's one of the great things about the R9 is it is small, not much larger than the .380, fits in a pocket and is 9mm. I would prefer going up in caliber like .45acp. More bang for the buck! Everyone should know about the Fed EXise tax, that's a givin. Although Shiloh Sharps adds it to their MSRP. I would hold the price as long as they can and build and ship as many guns as quality control will allow. After there is a lot of guns out in the hands of end users and costs go up where it can't be absorbed then raise prices. Tom
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I have been asked a few times about how the gun may have been damaged by shooting it... ??? ??? ??? ;D
Regarding the hundreds of rounds fired through this fantastic Rohrbaugh... Please call Eric or Karl at Rohrbaugh and get the real truth straight from them!
I have bought many guns over the years from professional and competitive, winning shooters. The guns I bought had thousands and tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of rounds through them. They were better for it not lessened.
It is usual for a gun manufacturer to tell people that the gun does not achieve it's potential until it has fired hundreds or perhaps thousands of rounds. This initial shooting "shoots-in" the firearm and makes it better.
Most likely a fired gun becomes better with shooting not less. Perhaps it is the shooting that perfects them. Since the Rohrbaugh is a perfect or nearly perfect gun - after a few hundred rounds it may well have reached a level better than normal perfection! ;D ;D
Enjoy your Rohrbaughs Gentlemen!
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The Rohrbaugh borithers debt service must be chocking them. They need sustained volume to keep all those expensive machines working.
The Seecamp is based on a CZ design. But the 380 is taxing the strength of the casting. A clone made from a forged billet will be heavier than the cast version, but would create a firearm with a longer life expectancy. By producing a firearm based on a proven design will eliminate a lot of development costs.
Rohrbaugh needs to have those machines working.
As to caliber. There are a lot of choices in the marketplace for compact firearms, but not nearly as many pocket guns.
I love my Seecamps, but competition is good for everyone.
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George, I sell both Rohrbaughs and Seecamps. My thought is, if one wants a .380 buy a Seecamp.If one wants a 9mm buy a Rohrbaugh. A major caliber is the way to go in my estimation. The Seecamp is a very good pistol for what it is and how it is made. Simply put it works. However, the Rohrbugh is in a class by itself. The materials, the fit, finish and type of manufacturing process is levels above everyone else. It is a one of a kind. Again the caliber is a real defensive round of 9mm and the customer service is outstanding. Not to mention, the ablility of the pistol to run and shoot straight. What else is needed? My thought is just make the R9 as fast as quality will allow and pace the demand. This will keep everything busy and get past the backlog into a stocking position. Once there, then look at doing different calibers and pistols. Just my 2 cents worth. Tom
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Hi Irish:
I can't see Rohrbaugh making a Seecamp 32 ACP clone. But, the 380 taxes the design. The 380, unlike the 32, has a finite life. It is like subjecting the gun to proof loads all the time.
But making a clone from a forged billet would keep the footprint, make the gun a tad heavier, but extend its life well beyond that of Seecamp's version.
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Is this still for sale?
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Yes,
My Pup is still for sale. See http://www.GunBroker.com and search for Rohrbaugh. It is being sold through a FFL holder that I use here locally a lot. He takes care of getting paid for the shipping, doing the auction, FFLs, etc. and I take care of his tiny fee. The price is now at least $1,000. Check the auction if you will, you may be the next PROUD owner of a very special and wonderful Rohrbaugh.
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The only Rohrbaugh I see for sale at Gunbroker (http://www.gunbroker.com/) is Item 29738671 by warrelicshop (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=29738671) -- the opening bid is $500 and nobody has taken a nibble at it yet because the current bid is $0.
Can you post the link to your item where the current bid is up to $1000?
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War Relics is the one selling my R9S. I think it got to about $950 or perhaps a bit more, the auction ended before you pulled up the link and he started it again. That is why there were no bids when you checked.
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Jody,
Seems to me you need a better description for that gun -- it will be very collectable at some point, being Pre-"R" and all. The average person won't appreciate what a special gun that really is from the text of the auction.
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I think you have a great idea Duane... I would LOVE some ideas and advice on a proper description. You would honor me if you (Chris you too have a way with words) would take a moment and write something for me to send to my dealer who has my pup, up on the site.
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Jody - not sure I am in ''status literalis'' this evening but - all I see on the ebay is 'Rohrbaugh model R9s, cal 9mm, bore and finish are mint,has box and 3 mags.''. Not really doing it justice.
Lemme see now ----
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This is the Rohrbaugh model R9s, cal 9mm Parabellum. A high tolerance, precision manufactured firearm, double action only and weighing a mere 12.8 ounces minus magazine. Capacity is 6+1.
A true pocket pistol,this specimen happens to have been amongst the first to be put on the open market. It has been fired but also scrupulously factory refurbished to as new condition.
Since this issue, the R9 has changed in small ways. The grips are now black. The frame is no longer silver finish. Even the slide engraving has changed. This example is therefore, not only a good shooter but, has inevitably aquired quite some aura of collectibility. It's like will never be again produced.
It is therefore of twofold value. First and foremost it is probably the ultimate pocket pistol, supporting a truly useful and effective caliber. Secondly, this specimen has an intrinsic rarity value as well. Altogether, an excellent investment, both as a defensive firearm but also as something that can only appreciate in value.
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There Jody - just top of head rambling - maybe play with that and see if it can't help things a bit. I haven't even edited - it just came out (spewed I think they call it!) . ;D
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Fabulous Chris!
Now I await Duane or anyone else that would like to ring in with some ideas... I think there is little more to say Chris. You DO 'Wax Eloquent' as I already knew. ;D
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>>I don't know, Jody... If someone reading what Chris wrote doesn't buy it - I think it would then mean you are supposed to KEEP it for some reason...! Heck...his description almost had ME ready to whip out my check book. Think it over, Bro...TW<<
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Again Chris,
I thank you for the good words.
I have sent them to the dealer and asked him to add them to the description of the pistol.
That should do it. It makes me want to raise the price a lot or perhaps double it. ;D ;D
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If you really love it, raise the price.
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If (when!) it sells Jody - we'll discuss my commission later :D ;D
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I checked out the link to your ad on gunbroker.com. Isn't this the R9 that has had 3000 + rounds through it? I didn't see any mention of this in the ad :o None of my business but that doesn't seem quite right especially since you're calling it mint. It would seem more fair to me to use Chris' description hyping it as a collectors piece in order to justify the high reserve rather than just describing it as "mint" with no mention of the unusually high round count. I would definitely feel "burned" if I was the buyer and this was not disclosed. Yeah, I know that Eric and Karl gave it a cleam bill of health, but still; it bears at least mentioning in a for sale ad IMHO.
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Do you shoot your guns????
I have never owned a gun that could not be shot.
I have Glocks and Berettas and Keltecs and some more. The Rohrbaugh has been shot less than any of them.
If you are looking for an unfired gun, mine is not it. If you are looking for a mint condition gun where you can not see any wear to speak of... then mine is fine.
I did not list it as mint. The fellow who put it on Gunbroker took the photos and the put them and the description on there. I sent him the one used by Chris. If you look at the top of the barrel - because of the bank-vault tight lockup there are some tiny scuff marks that show the slide has been worked. There is no other evidence that the gun has been fired. The Rohrbaugh is a FINE and damned near perfect pistol. If you are looking for a safe-queen and one to be kept unfired in the box, you should buy one new.
Sorry but I get very frustrated by those who take the position that a modern firearm is only good for a few thousand rounds. That was somewhat true in the early 1800s. This is not a gun of that era. The metalurgy, the fit, the finish, do not show wear - as it should be. It has not been used as a hammer as cowboys did in the 1800s and it has only been shot with proper ammo and it has been gone over by Rohrbaughs.
Sorry if I sound irritated but I go through this with the decidedly unknowledgable in gun shops all the time. And have found that not one of them could tell if a gun had been fired a million times on none. And I don't recall any of them buying a used gun either. I should probably not post this but I really don't KNOW how many rounds I've shot the gun.
I am a shooter and I like shooting. I have never counted the rounds of any gun I've fired. I have often estimated, when asked to and I just try to guess how many times I've shot the gun and about how many hours I shot it and guessed from that the number of rounds. I shoot for relaxation by myself usually or with one other person and the absolute last thing we care about is how many rounds we shoot. We care about the accuracy, reliability, and ease of shooting. We do chronos etc.
The Rohrbaugh is good to shoot, FANTASTICALLY accurate for it's size and kind, very, very, reliable with proper ammo and it is the most well made gun I have ever had in my hand. Number of rounds through this gun is minimal in my opinion.
Since the gun is perfect. How many cents should I reduce it in price for each round shot? Please tell me how to tell how many rounds have been shot through it... I can not tell as the gun is still as perfect as it was new or most likely better as it has been broken in and sent back to the factory for checking and sent back. Most high-end pistols tell you to shoot them hundreds or thousands of times to break them in!
Since this one is broken in and been to the factory and back I am raising the price.
The price is now $1,000 and may go up again soon. Would you like to purchase it?
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The current ad refers to the bore and finish as mint.
To a large extent, I agree with Jody. If you were to happen upon his R9(s) at a collector show, pawn shop, etc., you would most likely have to rely upon your own assessment of the bore, feed ramp, overall condition, identifiable wear, etc. to evaluate whether or not the price of the gun was commensurate with the condition/quality. It isn't always possible to acquire the history of each used firearm, but in this case, Jody has been more than honest about the use. That's both a blessing and a curse in that there can be no speculation about exactly what you are getting, but it also appears to have put off some buyers.
I don't have a problem with Jody using Chris' description because:
1. Jody is trying to make a sale;
2. The description of the product is accurate, and;
3. If the number of rounds isn't important to the buyer, and he doesn't ask, and it fit's his needs, everyone is happy.
The fact that it has been recently reconditioned by the factory, and there is someone there that can speak to it's condition and authenticity, at least to me, is reminiscent of the same "pre-certified" automobile programs in use today. Still, this does not address the currently intangible historic/collector value or the gun, which is probably destined to be significant.
What I have been wondering in the back of my mind since this gun was put up for auction is why didn't the R bros buy this back as anonymous buyers? That purchase would have, in my mind, solidified the R9 as a sound investment which holds it's value well. All this time, the gun price has gone down and back up and has been the subject of endless discussion as to exactly what it's value is. The factory could have established a value benchmark. Well, it's an interesting strategy to discuss, anyway.
This may all be academic as there is a $1000 bid on his auction, which shows the reserve has been met.
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Yes, I do shoot my guns. But I don't think I'll ever shoot thousands of rounds through my R9. I agree with others in that it is a gun to be "carried alot and shot a little". I do have faith that it will last for many, many more rounds than I will ever shoot through it. I will, once every month or two take it out, shoot the carry ammo with which it's been loaded through it, shoot another box of ammo through it, then clean, reload, and put it back in my pocket. I'm sure that the R9 is good for many thousands of rounds, however I would not expect it to have the same life expectancy of a full sized Glock or such. Thus, round count would be important to know, for me, if purchasing a used "pocket gun" such as the R9. And I would definitely shy away from one that had had thousands of rounds already shot through it, especially if I could purchase a new one for less money (forgetting for a moment the supposed "collectability" of your earlier R9). Wayne is correct, that if I bought a gun at a gun show or something (used) that I'd have no way to find out how many rounds had been shot through a gun; I'd have to rely on my own assessment of its' condition. I know you're certainly not required to provide this information as the seller. And, kudos to you, as Wayne pointed out, you've already exceeded your reserve price, so more power to you. ;D
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Sharp,
Do you have a Rohrbaugh yet?
And, thanks! To both of you for your viewpoints and comments. I did get my neck hairs up a bit and will in the future over such... because of decades of listening to such questions from behind the counter of a gun shop. And today, earlier a fellow was making a comment about the condition of a first generation Glock 19 that was in new condition and is for sale for $350. The fellow, a now deceased cop I understand, had bought a case of ammo and the gun when he retired and had shot most of the case - the rest came in with the gun. I suppose a member of the family had brought it in to sell. There were several old fellows in there who came in to advise another about buying a Glock 19 and the guy wanted to save some money. There was a lot of discussion about how much the glock was hurt by shooting most of a case of ammo. THAT discussion ruffled my feathers too.
And, if I get these medical bills paid and decide to buy another Rohrbaugh and it has SIXTY THOUSAND ROUNDS THROUGH IT... I will not consider that too used. My terms will be, send it to the factory and have the brothers check it out, if I can not see anything wrong with it... and that pistol will be worth the same ammount to me as one in the same condition with NINE rounds through it... UNLESS the Rohrbaughs tell me there is some reason to change my mind on this viewpoint of mine. ;D ;D ;D :P
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Mr. Hudson,
Yes, I was able to acquire my R9S in August of 2004. Sorry for ruffling some feathers :-[.
Best wishes,
Jeff
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GREAT... My feathers DO ruffle easily some days! Sorry and thanks for the understanding! ;D
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Rohrbaugh sold for $1,000 to a person in Florida. Don't know who it was as it went from my FFL to another in FLA.
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Glad you finally got the sale Jody - hope things panning out better for you. :)
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Thanks Chris!
I am still in a rough spot physically... otherwise I'm JUST FINE... I just keep reminding myself that rough parts are just parts... there are a lot of other parts that are smooth and cooooool. ;D
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>>Hi Jody...
Although it saddens me to hear you had to sell your R9, I can understand your reasons for letting it go, and I too am glad you got your price on that early R9 critter.
I sincerely hope you find relief for your back pain. This is something I can totally relate to...having had two failed surgeries over a ten year stretch, and eventually finding myself forced out of my career due to work related physical disabilities.
Life after a 26 year career I loved was hard at first, but I eventually adjusted. Now I own two businesses and have found I rather like being my own boss...! So when I need to lay down - I do. I think my back pain over the years has been hardest on my loving wife...because she has had to LIVE with me - lol...!
I realize there is little I can do for you personally...However, if you ever need an ear to bend I will gladly make myself available! And I hope you can eventually find the CCW gun of your dreams!! These days when I'm not carrying my R9 I usually have my Glock 26 or 30 with me...allowing me with 13 (9mm) or 11 (.45) shots, respectively. If you are looking for more rounds, you might consider one of the Baby Glocks. With or without mag extensions I can shoot either gun very well...and they are fairly easy to conceal...my two cents...TW<<
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Thanks for your understanding Chris.
When I get down to the minimums; I get down to a Keltec with 13 rounds of 9mm, my Glock 19 and my Intratec .38 double auto derringer. The last time I had to sell all my guns the G19 was next to last and the Intratec was the only one that survived and I still have that. I do not even find where they were ever made...