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Title: Ok... Lovin my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: JoshA on February 22, 2014, 09:34:29 PM
First time R9 owner. I love everything about my R9 except for the most important thing that I carry it for. Reliability.

I bought it used a year ago. I have changed springs numerous times in the course of range sessions. Lubed it in every way I can practically imagine. Ran through 200 Winchester silver tips. I can't seem to get this thing to eject in a dependable fashion  :-[

After hours of range time and musing and hours more reading this forum I am wondering if I got a lemon???

The only thing I can imagine doing shy of sending my second hand R9 in for the $ and repairs is to try gold dot 124 grain.

Has anyone else had terrible success (FTE 1 out of +/- 15 rounds) with the silver tip 115 gr and then switched to another round and experienced great success?

I have read that some R9's are pickier than others.

Any other advice?

Thanks for all of the great reads :))
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: dddonkey on February 23, 2014, 07:44:22 AM
I would suggest different ammo. My R9 only likes silver tips or speer lawman/gold dots in 124 or 147gr. My R9 does not like anything else and I have tried 7 or 8 different types of ammo. If that does not work I would call the factory, they are very nice. Good luck!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: tracker on February 23, 2014, 12:21:20 PM

After reading through some past posts on the FTE problem it appears that it may be remedied by:

1. heavier ammo as described above.

2. Tighter grip--we all think we use a tight grip but one forum member solved this issue by tightening his grip even more.

3. The ejector could be out of spec and can be fixed at the factory.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 23, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
Thanks MUCH for the ideas. I will implement immediately.

Give me any more ideas that may be out there.

I will post to let you know the results.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on February 23, 2014, 06:03:39 PM
All good suggestions.  Try as many different loads that you can find.  Use the "hottest" ammo that you can find that is not +P.

Take an experienced shooter with you and let him try the stuff that does not work for you and see if the shooter makes a difference.

That said, my first R9 would not feed anything either.  I tried 7 or 8 different loads and the only thing I ever got a complete magazine  to feed and eject was Blaser Aluminum.  Tried two different shooters with the same results.  All the ammo would work in ,my PM9 and both my friends' PF9's.

Sent the pistol back to Long Island for good and they said it worked fine and it must be me.

Strange, but my second R9 has never had a single failure of any kind.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: backupr9 on February 23, 2014, 08:44:45 PM
JoshA, your firing pin retainer may be out of spec and moving laterally.  When it does, it will impede the motion of the slide and cause faulty ejection...a more common problem than we should be seeing in a pistol of this quality.   I had this problem and sent the pistol back..it is now and has been for several years my daily carry with no issues whatsovever.

Gently move the firing pin retainer (with the slide removed and held upside down) back and forth with a small screwdriver or something similar...if it moves, it is the problem...easily fixed and you will have a dependable daily carry piece.
John
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 24, 2014, 09:39:57 AM
Thanks fellas.

I own approx 20 pistols, most of them higher quality pocket(ish) variety and small holster guns... Sig 938, sig 290, sig ultra compact, XDS, Shield, kimber ultra cary, s&w 642, Seecamp 380, Seecamp .32 blah blah blah.

Although every last one of these pistols beats MY Rohrbaugh R9 on reliability I keep bringing the R9 out to try to work the glitches out.

WHY??? Simple. It is the most perfect pistol build I own. When balancing size, power and quality together it's the winner. It just fits all the bills. Quite honestly, if I could get this thing to feed and eject 1 brand and weight reliablby I would be the biggest fan boy out there. I have everything that I think could compete and just want this thing to work because of its closeness to perfection.

Am I crazy? Not according to the posts on here. It looks as though others of you have success with this pistolé and LOVE it. I can definately see why!

I will be looking for some 124 gr gold tips and lawman today and giving this thing more time to figure out.

Thanks for the tips and advice.

This forum is the best thing for the sales of Rohrbaugh out there. If it weren't for it I would have thrown in the towel by now.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 24, 2014, 11:28:37 AM
Hey backupr9. You may be on to something here.

Thanks for the help on the reliability issue with my r9.

The firing pin retainer does wiggle a very minor amount (less than the diameter if a hair). Is this enough to cause the problem?

 You said it could be moving laterally. What do mean?

I'm noting the slightest (almost undetectable) rotation on the firing pin. Is this enough to cause FFE?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on February 24, 2014, 11:39:56 AM
Hey backupr9. You may be on to something here.

Thanks for the help on the reliability issue with my r9.

The firing pin retainer does wiggle a very minor amount (less than the diameter if a hair). Is this enough to cause the problem?

 You said it could be moving laterally. What do mean?

I'm noting the slightest (almost undetectable) rotation on the firing pin. Is this enough to cause FFE?


JoshA

You probably should just call Rohrbaugh with you findings.  It is their fault and they should fix it if that is the problem.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 24, 2014, 11:48:33 AM
Thanks MRC.

I have a call in to Maria and am waiting for a call back.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: tracker on February 24, 2014, 12:57:04 PM

Here is a previous post on the firing pin retainer issue:


 

Firing pin retainer movement
« on: June 01, 2013, 06:58:33 PM »
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Should your firing pin retainer on the R9 have any side to side movement?

I recently sent my gun back to the company as my firing pin retainer was out of spec and rotated and caught on the frame.  The company said it was out of spec and fixed the problem.

I just got the gun back and took it to the range today and fired 4 clips on Gold Dot's down the pipe without a hitch.

When I got home I cleaned the gun and noticed the firing pin retainer would move to the side and it made me nervous.  Can other members tell me if there retainer has play in it?

I included twp pictures.  The first one with it in the normal position and the second with it moved to the side.

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Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: Richard S on February 24, 2014, 08:57:28 PM
Josh:

I post this with no intention to offend or appear to be pretentious.

1. You purchased a used R9.  Only God and the previous owner know what if any abuse was inflicted on your copy of the finest pocket pistol ever produced.

2.  I do not purport to know the grip you have used in firing your R9, but I can assure you that anything less than a firm platform (some call it "limp wristing") to absorb the recoil force of a 13-ounce pistol chambered for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge will result in FTEs, FTFs, and who the hell knows what else of a disappointing nature. 

3.  I have the 32nd R9 sold to the public, and it has never malfunctioned for me in nearly a decade of ownership and regular use (fortunately, only at the range and not in self-defense).

4.  There have been thousands of R9s produced since I took delivery of mine.  A very few have malfunctioned, mainly due to poor maintenance, neglect, or abuse from owners who expected the smallest and lightest 9mm pistol ever produced to function like some polymer gun that you could  clean by removing the slide and placing it along with the grip and receiver in the top shelf of your kitchen dishwasher.  To paraphrase posts from two of our Forum's early members, "Plastic's got no soul," and, "The R9 is the weapon of a gentleman, not that of a plowman."

5.  If you have a recurring problem with your R9, the factory will make it right.  Just be assured that complaints about the R9 are rare -- extremely rare -- compared to the thousands of pistols that are out there, functioning as they are designed to do.  Criticisms of this pistol from those who do not understand it have become a pet peeve of mine.  The R9 is approaching the status of a "cult pistol."  It deserves total respect.  Since the moment when I experienced an epiphany on my personal "Road to Damascus" at SHOT 2002 and got in line for one of the first Rohrbaugh R9s, I have never looked back.  In my pocket as I type this post is the R9 bearing serial number "132" (no "R" prefix) -- a pistol that has been my EDC since I took delivery of it in May 2004.

_____

Addendum:

Aside from the Cold War, I've been around the track a bit overseas.  I've been present during one so-called "people's revolution" in Haiti; I've sifted through  the charred remains of our Embassy in Pakistan; I've managed (by the Grace of a Benevolent God) to escape captivity in the First Liberian Civil War; and I've seen my then-existence go up in flames and violent personal abuse during a military coup d'état in Nigeria.  The one thing I wish I had been fortunate enough to have in all of those, and many more, situations in my past would have been a Rohrbaugh R9 in my pocket.  But it was not until 2004 that mankind was finally blessed with the first truly concealable pocket pistol chambered for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge.

In my seventh decade of life, my eyes grow dimmer, my enemies (those still alive) grow older, and my reflexes grow slower.  However, I finally have the perfect pocket pistol.

Now . . . if I could only turn back the unforgiving hands of time . . . . 
 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: backupr9 on February 24, 2014, 09:19:36 PM
Richard, can you pull from Archives the posts I made several years ago with pictures of the firing pin retainer issue?  Josh and others might benefit. 

We might also wish to make those pics a post-it since the problem seems now to be a recurring one.  It would be nice to know if this is the way some but not all leave the factory, or if there is a design flaw that allows some to change enough to become loose.   Once I had mine repaired at the factory, the pistol has been flawless and pretty much likes any premium ammo I wish to use.  Just gotta love this pistol and it's worth the effort to get it tuned and trustworthy.
John
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: Richard S on February 24, 2014, 09:41:13 PM
John:

Is this the link you had in mind?

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=6473.msg76446;topicseen#msg76446
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 24, 2014, 11:52:16 PM
Thanks alot for the helpful info including looking up the old post about the firing pin retainer.

Also thanks for the help about the grip. I have been using what I would describe as a death grip since reading another's comments about it and I am still experiencing failure out of the 115 gr silver tips.

I ordered 124 gr gold dots today as they can't be picked up in Indy at this current point in time. Perhaps this will help.

I plan on talking to Maria about sending the handgun back, but after 2 VM's I'm still waiting for a call back. The message says something about them moving the shop, but last time I talked to her she said she doesn't work out of the shop so I'm confused. She is super nice and I'm sure she will call back one day this week. Glad I've got other carry pistols :)

I would have to say you are one dedicated Rohrbaugh man Richard! When you say "approaching the status of cult pistol" I take you seriously. Sounds like 132 is a winner!

When you say "it has never malfunctioned on me in nearly a decade of carry and use", are you saying you have never had a FTF or FTE?

How many rounds do you have through the R9?

What ammo do you use?

Have you ever once limp wristed 132?

I am really looking forward to getting my USED R9 up to snuff! I totally agree with you that The Used portion of the R9 could likely be the culprit.

Hopefully I can get this all ironed out soon and get on to enjoying the finest piece of pocket armory ever know to mankind.

I want to love my R9!!!

Please call me Maria. On second thought please just call me josh.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on February 25, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
Richard  -  I must say, very well articulated!

But it is still true that far too many R9's left the factory a few years back that refused to work new out of the box.  I know, I had one and was corresponding with 4 other owners at the time who were experiencing the same difficulties I was.  The R9 I experienced trouble with was in the 405X number range.

JoshA, I know how you feel,  There is nothing more disheartening than to take your brand new $1100 pistol to the range and discover it will not function at all.  It does not help when you enlist the aid of your friends who can't get it to function either and their $300 PF9's run perfectly with the same ammo.  Believe me, I was there.  It is not much fun being the guy with the $1100 POS at the range.

I truly believe that things have gotten much better at Rohrbaugh.  One hardly hears the name Maria on the forum and when I first started coming here to get answers, most were talking to her about their problems.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 25, 2014, 12:19:22 PM
I take it you got your problems worked out on your pistol MRC?? I hope :-)

Another day and I'm waiting to hear back from Maria. Left three voicemails over 3 days so far. Is this SOP MRC?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on February 25, 2014, 01:04:46 PM
I take it you got your problems worked out on your pistol MRC?? I hope :-)

Another day and I'm waiting to hear back from Maria. Left three voicemails over 3 days so far. Is this SOP MRC?

No, that is strange.  I had to wait a couple of weeks as they were in the middle of preparing for the SHOT Show when I was having trouble.  I had no problem with that.

Maria just relayed info to me from Eric.  Limp wristing (not three of us), proper ammo (6 different kinds), proper lubrication(bought super lube and followed Eric's online video).  The fourth time I called Maria I was fed up and asked for Eric.  They took the pistol back.

I found a used one on line, talked with him on the phone about his experiences with the pistol, and bought it from him.  I have never had a failure of any kind with this R9.  Very accurate and completely reliable.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 25, 2014, 01:12:39 PM
Thanks much for the candor.

I REALLY like the concept and design of the R9. Honestly in out current state of the union (not realistically forcasting marshal law in the foreseeable future) I would trade every gun I own to keep the R9 if I had to because of its closeness to perfection IF I could get reliable results.

Crossing my fingers. Thanks again for the candidness MRC.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: Jack_F on February 25, 2014, 05:49:30 PM
Thanks much for the candor.

I REALLY like the concept and design of the R9. Honestly in out current state of the union (not realistically forcasting marshal law in the foreseeable future) I would trade every gun I own to keep the R9 if I had to because of its closeness to perfection IF I could get reliable results.

Crossing my fingers. Thanks again for the candidness MRC.

I have had my R9 since 2004. I believe it is a gun for advanced shooters who understand the limitations of the design. It might not be the gun for you. When the R9 was released it was the best available. There are many pocket 9mms now. I use 124 gr Gold Dot in mine without problems. I carry it 50% of the time. It is NOT a gun of everyone.  When I bought my first Seecamp in 1985 we had to use Silvertips. Small guns can be temperamental.  If the gun has a problem the company will fit it.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 25, 2014, 07:25:49 PM
Well I am certainly not what I would call an advanced shooter. I have shot quite a bit though.

I love it because it is small and powerful and is typically said to be reliable.

I consider it to be the answer for 99% of all potential defensive conflicts I may find myself in (hopefully don't ever find myself in).

I understand that most threats encountered take place at less than 10 ft and typically end in less than 6 shots fired. The r9 fits the need for this civilian.

That being said, what are the limitations of the design which you speak of?

What is a more fitting pistol for one who wants the best and would want the same size of weapon?

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on February 25, 2014, 07:43:01 PM
By all means get in touch with Rohrbaugh and see what they will do for you.  It might be something simple like the firing pin retainer like on John's and several other's R9's. I have never seen a pistol that could not be fixed yet.

As far as finding a pistol the size and as light as the R9, there are none.  My favorite is the Kimber Solo.  It is heavier but is also much easier to shoot fast and accurately.  The PM9 is a close second.  Shape wise a little harder to carry.

As far as the R9 not being for everyone, when they won't work they certainly aren't.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: Jack_F on February 25, 2014, 10:21:36 PM
Well I am certainly not what I would call an advanced shooter. I have shot quite a bit though.

I love it because it is small and powerful and is typically said to be reliable.

I consider it to be the answer for 99% of all potential defensive conflicts I may find myself in (hopefully don't ever find myself in).

I understand that most threats encountered take place at less than 10 ft and typically end in less than 6 shots fired. The r9 fits the need for this civilian.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: Jack_F on February 25, 2014, 10:24:12 PM
Well I am certainly not what I would call an advanced shooter. I have shot quite a bit though.

I love it because it is small and powerful and is typically said to be reliable.

I consider it to be the answer for 99% of all potential defensive conflicts I may find myself in (hopefully don't ever find myself in).

I understand that most threats encountered take place at less than 10 ft and typically end in less than 6 shots fired. The r9 fits the need for this civilian.
Clamp your R9 in a Ranson Rest and test fire it.  If it fires the fault is in your shooting technique. If it doesn't it has a mechanical problem and needs to go back to the factory.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 25, 2014, 11:05:25 PM
That's an awesome idea Jack. I will see if I can locate this ranson rest and give it a whirl. Thanks sir!!

MRC: thanks for the input. How does the solo carry in the pocket? My 938 is just a smidge too big for pocket carry IMHO (also not wild about single action in the pocket). I think they are about the same size. Do you carry the solo IWB?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on February 26, 2014, 08:03:57 AM
A Ransom Rest will require special grip inserts to test your pistol, I believe.  At least any other pistol I have seen tested does and I am sure no one would have inserts for a R9.

Let someone else who is an experienced shooter of small, pocket type 9mm shoot it.  Better yet have 2 or 3 shoot it with as many types of ammo as you can find.  Make sure it is good quality, self defense type ammo.  That's what I did when Eric R said it had to be my fault because they do not have trouble with their pistols.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 26, 2014, 10:23:10 AM
Good point. The ranges I go to don't have these ransom rests and I saw them online for $400-$500, so I will attempt this idea.

Is your solo a pocket carry for you or more of a holster gun like my sig 938?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on February 26, 2014, 11:05:28 AM
PM sent
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 26, 2014, 11:53:18 AM
MRC, what does PM sent mean?

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on February 26, 2014, 12:01:47 PM
Personal message.  Look under your messages at top of page.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 26, 2014, 12:03:10 PM
Well I just received the illusive gold dot 124 gr via us postal service from luckygunner ($.58 per round + $17 shipping for 6 boxes of ammo. Not too bad compared to what isaw it for everywhere else not to mention it is hard to find.)

Now to see how lucky this gunner is. Sure hope the issue is just that my R9 likes 124 gr instead of 115 gr.

For the record... Still waiting on a call back from the factory after 4 voicemails and 1 email. 1 voicemail was on a Sunday so I guess it doesn't REALLY count. Does anyone have a trick for contacting them? I'm certain that this can't be normal or else Rohrbaugh would have alot more complaining on this forum.

HELP.

I WANT TO LOVE MY ROHRBAUGH... BUT is where I live  :-X
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MaxBlack on February 26, 2014, 05:10:08 PM
FWIW JoshA I handled a used Covert at a LGS and fell in love with it, but balked at the $12xx-something price-less-tax for a used gun. I looked at it on two separate occasions and then walked-away. A few days later I took a CHL class where the instructor had carried all his life and so later during the range test I asked him if he'd heard of the Rohrbaugh and he had an R9 on him! As a backup (his primary carry being a P938)! Turns-out his had gone back/forth with the factory a number of times and got it to work well enough to carry (had spent of course a relative fortune on it), but the experience I think soured him on the idea of it being his primary. He wouldn't even take it out to show it to me because he didn't want the rest of the class, off to the side, to see it or to know about it.

I didn't buy the used Covert, got instead a Sig P938 like the instructor, but hang-out here nonetheless cuz lust is a powerful thing.

I think it's a pistol that is love-at-first-sight but it's not for everyone...   :'(
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on February 26, 2014, 05:25:36 PM
MaxBlack

Two questions:

-How do yo like the 938?

-How do you carry it and in what condition?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: backupr9 on February 26, 2014, 05:58:58 PM
That's the one Richard...thanks!  How do you archive all that stuff?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 27, 2014, 06:37:11 PM
ENCOURAGING INFO/UPDATE

the R9 got her first taste of gold dots for the first time since I've owned the weapon. They were also 124 gr. this was the first time I have ran 124 gr.

THE RESULTS: out of 50 rounds only 2 FTE. Not perfect yet, but I am excited that she ran as well as she did.

I must admit too, after the first failure to eject I couldn't remember how hard I was grasping the piece, so I can already read you Rohrbaugh heads minds thinking that I limp wristed it. Maybe. Possibly. I chalked it up to that as my hand was a bit tired after 25 rounds.

On the the second failure in the box: for the last 10 rounds I wanted to try one hand shooting to see if this would produce more FTE's. Well 1 out of ten when shooting one handed.

Well I'm not so happy that I want to bet my life on the R9 (or my ability to shoot it) yet, but I'm very encouraged.

Where to from here?: my next efforts will be to start shooting only one clip at a time with the 124 gr to see if fatigue lessened will end in greater results.

#2 I will order some 147 grain and see how it functions.

NOTE: the 2 FTE's today with the 124 gr were notably different than the 115 gr. the 115 silver tip FTE's were lodging more deeply whereas these were almost out of the ejection port before they were caught by the slide going forward. Like the heavier round was noticeably doing a better job of kicking it out of the port. Make sense?

If the results continue to go this way I must say that kimber's approach to recommending the heavier 124 or 157 gr for their solo would be the way I would encourage Rohrbaughs brochures to lead folks. There is no sense that every single owner has to plink through hundreds of dollars in order to find out this info : ) I wish I had found this sight sooner, BUT I didn't. Thanks soooooo much for the great shared info about a great pistol.

On a little more frustrating side of things... Day 5 and call number 5 and 1 email without a return call yet. I understand that they may be busy, but that isn't the customer service I think that folks deserve. I love ya Maria, but perhaps you need an assistant if you are too overloaded. This is not a critical remark. It is kindly spoken truth. Again, not mean hearted at all, but a pistol of the highest caliber should be accompanied by the same type of service. FINALLY on the topic, an EDC weapon of the $1000 caliber will need parts and service. Why expect customers to just twiddle their thumbs and keep calling you when their guns need help? What about people trying to order guns? Just sayin...

I will continue to post until the moderator takes my annoying drivel off of the forum or I have resolved the situation completely.

Thanks so much for the helpful comments, the reply's and reading this stuff. You are some good dudes.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: tracker on February 27, 2014, 07:12:52 PM

JoshA,

There is nothing annoying about your comments and concerns. Helping, assisting, and advising is the lifeblood of this forum. One other suggestion that is probably not related to FTE but something mentioned long ago in this forum is to wait a few minutes between mags on an extended firing session to allow a cooling period; won't hurt and might help.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 27, 2014, 10:24:38 PM
Thank you Tracker. I should have mentioned that in my last post. I did read that you should let the gun cool between clips (my hand was thankful) in someone else's helpful post and I DID employment that technique in today's mostly successful session.

I think someone should start a page called Rohrbaugh newbie. Lol. It's more than point and pull for sure. Fortunately I have some extra time right now and a few extra bucks to experiment with.

Thanks alot for caring and commenting.

Hopefully I will have some more success to report in the next day or so.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MaxBlack on February 28, 2014, 08:58:27 AM
Quote from: JoshA
Well I'm not so happy that I want to bet my life on the R9 (or my ability to shoot it) yet, but I'm very encouraged.

Quote
Hopefully I will have some more success to report in the next day or so.
IMO you should test as you would need the R9 in a real-life situation i.e. take the cold pistol out and fire all the rounds in the magazine.

Then you avoid any heating problems and (probably/possibly) any limp-wrist issues e.g. from fatigue.

Take your other guns to the range but treat the R9 as for emergency-only and see how it does.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 28, 2014, 09:07:36 AM
Sounds smart Max. This is kinda on the lines of my thought with firing a clip or two at a time, but better. I like it. This will be my new testing methodology. Thanks for the input. If I can do that on a semi regular basis and experience success it will build confidence. If not, well I can at least eliminate a few problems from the equation. Thanks- to the Max.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MaxBlack on February 28, 2014, 10:42:06 AM
Sounds smart Max. This is kinda on the lines of my thought with firing a clip or two at a time, but better. I like it. This will be my new testing methodology. Thanks for the input. If I can do that on a semi regular basis and experience success it will build confidence. If not, well I can at least eliminate a few problems from the equation. Thanks- to the Max.
I hope it works and you can attain a degree of comfort JoshA.

FWIW it seems I read early-on about the R9 something like "shoot a little, carry a lot" which has no doubt to do with shooting a powerful round from a [very] compact platform. If the R9 were built like a tank it would not be as sleek and comfortable--no doubt!

 ;)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on February 28, 2014, 11:21:53 AM
Point well put!

I ONLY want to fire the piece enough to carry with confidence. So far I just keep having instances that necessitate for range time to gain confidence.

I am going with your advice of firing one clip and seeing how things go. Thanks again Max.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: tracker on February 28, 2014, 11:45:27 AM
The one or two cold mags with your carry ammo is what many of us fire at the range after the initial reliability shooting sessions. Do whatever works for you.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: backupr9 on March 01, 2014, 08:46:02 PM
In the past when I had problems (now a remote memory) I've always had a prompt response from Maria and even from Karl.  Are you sure you are not using out of date numbers or incorrect email address?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: backupr9 on March 01, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
They have a new website.  Try these:
631-242-3175
800-803-2233
fax:  631-242-3182
could also google Rohrbaugh firearms, their website has an email link that should be current.  If not, there is a serious problem up there!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 01, 2014, 10:16:24 PM

As noted on the voicemail -- the factory is moving.   Difficulty getting ahold of the company is directly related to this move.  I have more details here:

[url]http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7303.0/url]

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 02, 2014, 08:52:42 AM
I'm glad you saw this and let us know. Thanks DDGator.

Owning a website of my own and NOT being a geek at all either: perhaps you could inform him that it just takes a phone call to their webmaster and they can put whatever he may want on the homepage to inform people of what's going on... OR NOT : )

Any way, thanks for the information. It's good to see that you care enough to inform the forum members of what's going on with the lack of communications etc.

Now on to the move... Wow that's exciting stuff! More room. More freedom. Very cool. The only funny thing I am imagining is a New Yorker living in N.C. Nice people in both places, but I am imagining some serious culture shock going on.

Congratulations Rohrbaugh!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 02, 2014, 09:05:35 AM

In defense of the brothers I would just say this... 

While great guys and great friends, they are not technically savvy beyond programing the CNC machines.  Eric still carries a flip phone.  Karl may or may not have a mobile phone.   The factory didn't even have e-mail as a communication avenue for many years.

They don't have a webmaster.  They need to engage and pay someone to modify their website and I think they want to do it once -- when the phone numbers are changed and they reveal the new address (after they are actually licensed there).  They did what they could, which is change their voicemail.  They will get around to returning calls as soon as they can but understand they are really limited in what they can do -- they have no guns to sell, they can't accept guns for warranty work (license in limbo between locations), their work computers are in boxes, etc.

Their best customers tend to get their information here -- so here it is!  A bit late, but you are all us up to date as possible right now.   :)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 02, 2014, 09:26:23 AM
I get it now. Thanks DDGator.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on March 02, 2014, 04:06:45 PM

In defense of the brothers I would just say this... 

While great guys and great friends, they are not technically savvy beyond programing the CNC machines.  Eric still carries a flip phone.  Karl may or may not have a mobile phone.   The factory didn't even have e-mail as a communication avenue for many years.

They don't have a webmaster.  They need to engage and pay someone to modify their website and I think they want to do it once -- when the phone numbers are changed and they reveal the new address (after they are actually licensed there).  They did what they could, which is change their voicemail.  They will get around to returning calls as soon as they can but understand they are really limited in what they can do -- they have no guns to sell, they can't accept guns for warranty work (license in limbo between locations), their work computers are in boxes, etc.

Their best customers tend to get their information here -- so here it is!  A bit late, but you are all us up to date as possible right now.   :)


You don't have to be "tech savy" to know you don't just walk away from your business and not have someone answering the phone.  Answering services are not that expensive.  Have your calls transferred and give the operator what she is tell customers calling in.  She will forward messages to you to sort out what needs to be answered.

It's not "technical", it's common sense.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 02, 2014, 04:17:41 PM

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You don't have to be "tech savy" to know you don't just walk away from your business and not have someone answering the phone.  Answering services are not that expensive.  Have your calls transferred and give the operator what she is tell customers calling in.  She will forward messages to you to sort out what needs to be answered.

It's not "technical", it's common sense.
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An answering service?  Is this 1989?  They have a voicemail and it says there will be a delay because they are relocating the business.

What calls can't wait a week or two?  They can't do any warranty work right now.  Everyone will be taken care of in Rohrbaugh fashion as soon as they can.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on March 02, 2014, 04:25:34 PM
I am glad that you like talking to machines that never return calls when you need an answer.

I don't!

A week or two?  Let's use postcards, that's faster!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: Richard S on March 02, 2014, 04:48:04 PM
All of this trivial criticism brings to my mind the old expression, "Damned if you do, damned if you don't."





Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 02, 2014, 04:58:43 PM
I am glad that you like talking to machines that never return calls when you need an answer.

I don't!

A week or two?  Let's use postcards, that's faster!

When did I suggest this was ideal, or that you should like it?  I am merely telling you the circumstances.

I think Rohrbaugh makes such a great product that people overestimate the size and resources of this company.  Frankly, I think the company was lucky to survive the devastation of Super Storm Sandy.  They found an opportunity to move that required fast action and now they are putting all of their effort into the move.  Even if they returned calls, there is not much they could do for their customers right now.

If that is unacceptable to anyone, then so be it.  I'm not in the shoes of someone desperately trying to reach the factory in the last week, so I guess I can't judge.  But, history suggests that everyone's problems will be solved in due time.

And in some ways, the world was a better place when correspondence by U.S. Mail was an acceptable form of business communication.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 02, 2014, 05:49:05 PM
I'm 42 (not a spring chick lol). I'm used to a little different level of customer service than "we'll move and if somebody needs something we will get to them in a couple of weeks or a month" (hopefully).

I guess it's just where they are with the plans of their company. Won't be giving The big name brands a run for their money on service at this point, but if its who they are and their people live with that then I guess that's ok.

I will say that every dr office I know of has a after hours answering service.

Every service company in town that cares about their customer base will answer the phones or return VM's in a timely fashion.

I will also say that even the great companies of old (imagination here) sears, wards etc would have given the time to be Johnny on the spot with phones and other forms of communication which means this is not as much of a old school mindset IMHO.

I personally think this is more about the R Bros. have a good understanding of the fact that they have a niche product which allows them some latitude (and maybe even some longitude : ) in not having to bend over backward to be all they can (some would say should) be with communications. What do I mean? Well they have a niche product...

A) $1000+
B) kinda finicky
C) very loyal and upbeat fanbase (kudos to y'all)
D) great looking and unique design
E) smallest and lightest 9mm auto on the face of planet Earth (for now)
F) hand crafted quality

All of this stacks up to a niches market. IMHO the rareness of this piece affords it the latitude to not have to do all of the things that production gun companies have to do to keep pace with their customer needs (can you imagine if Sig or Kimber did this? Lol!!)

Sounds like during normal business they do a pretty good job with communications.

Oh well. Just ciphering. They care, but they don't need to care about communication and reliability quite like a full blown production company cares.

Will this impede their growth?

Do they care about growth (not saying its a bad thing if they don't)

In the mean time I am still working the bugs out of mine. Looking forward to post results of 7 clips fired. No more than 2 clips per day to stave off fatigue and keep good grip strength. Also, I want to run the clips several hours apart. We will see. So far 124 grain GD is improving results.

I definitely wouldn't have gotten this far with it if it wasn't for you guy's help. Actually I would be very sour without the assistance of this forum and the help of you guys. THANKS!!

I want to love my Rohrbaugh...BUT at least I can say I understand it and its niche place in my collection and even like it now : )

I'll post more later.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bamboobob on March 03, 2014, 03:08:48 AM
Hi Josh,

Hang in there, I feel  they will make it right(if needed), timing is off now.
Your idea to get an extension, to try may be a good one. If you send me 2 plastic Pearce ones I will do my best  and return 1 altered for r9. I think single stack Kahr works. I would gladly make a hooked one straight to better fit any size hand.
Try pre-loading ("Maria") and keep mags pre- loaded. Start shooting (maybe best/only carry) with only 5 in mag ("Instructor Buddy").
I hope to soon compare a bunch of silver-tips 115 and gold dots 115  (a few GD's 124 too! )
Previous shooting session of 100+ rds. right hand was beat up but grip felt fine. Reloading and racking became much harder for me.


Good luck, Bob
ps   good job all on this thread
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 03, 2014, 10:57:17 AM
Even I was off a bit in my understanding of what was going on.  There is much more afoot, and this is much more complicated than simply moving without notice or whatever.

See this:   http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7305.0  (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7305.0)

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 03, 2014, 01:59:31 PM
Wow! What types of changes have been made to products that are now made under the freedom  brand rather than the original makers?

Can we expect an improvement or decline in service/quality etc?

Marketing will probably increased and price and production will likely also be affected.

What will happen to our pre-freedom R9's warranty and values? Values seem like they would surely go up. Buy one now if ya can : )

INTRIGUING!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 03, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
Bamboobob,

Thanks for the tips. I will be interested to see your posted results of the 115 silver tips. Mine were not as good as the GD124 results. Let us know how you fare.

What do you mean about sending you a couple of Pearce extensions?

Also, what is a Maria mag?

Also, also, what do you mean about preloading the mag?

Sorry, but I'm kinda new to some of this terminology (ok I admit it. I'm a bit slow : )
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bobsmith on March 03, 2014, 02:59:27 PM
.....you can't love it, because it's defective and likely came defective from the factory.  Sounds like some work and some don't.  Sounds like poor quality control to me.   I bet the prior owner sold it after trying all the fan-boy tricks.  Now the fan-boys are labeling it "a questionable history" pistol.

I've got one that never worked from the day I opened the sealed box.  I could put it on gun broker and dump it now, but that would be pretty low to sell something that doesn't work.  Now the factory is "moving" and I've got a $1200 single shot. 

I despise mine. I think i'll do my first youtube review.  I'll show how it jams on all 7 types of high quality 9mm I've tried in it.  Even better I'll compare it to a $400 Ruger that my buddy keeps telling me I SHOULD have purchased instead as his never jams on anything he feeds through it.

   
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 03, 2014, 03:08:12 PM

Bob -- I am sorry you are having problems, and the timing is bad.  However, your experience is unusual.

The term "fan boy" is somewhat perjorative.  I think that if you read this forum you will see some well-founded love for these guns that goes way beyond blind fandom. 

If you despise the gun, you should sell it.  You could list it in the classifieds here.  I think that "New York" guns are going to start going up in value to collectors and there are likely people here who will take it off your hands.

Otherwise, I would just hold on until Rohrbaugh comes back on line better and stronger than ever with a staff of customer service professionals.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bobsmith on March 03, 2014, 03:13:44 PM
I'd love to sell it.  I paid $1200 for it a couple months ago.  It jams on everything. 

What can I get for it? 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 03, 2014, 03:15:35 PM

Only way to find out is to list it for sale.  Certainly enough to buy two Rugers and some ammo.   ;)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bobsmith on March 03, 2014, 03:24:37 PM
Great. I'll take a $1,000 to be done with it.  Should I disclose that it appears to be defective in my opinion.  Or just list the estimated rounds I've shot through it.  Maybe I'm not holding it correctly, or it needs some ammo I haven't tried yet.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 03, 2014, 03:44:32 PM
2 mags of speer Gold dot 124 gr down the pipe with no hitches. No FTF/FTE

I will continue to post.

2 mags per day.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 03, 2014, 03:50:04 PM
Bob: have you tried to run 124 or 147 grain yet?

I noticed you have only posted 8 times. These guys have helped me get alot more reliability out of my USED R9 that I bought.

I was having alot of issues out of 115 gr ammo of every type.

I haven't tried any 147 gr yet but I can tell you that hot barrels, recoil weakened hands and (for mine) 115 gr ammo only increase a bad attitude that my R9 can get when not treated the way it prefers.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bobsmith on March 03, 2014, 04:00:15 PM
I was looking for a quality gun I could trust and carry.  Not something that only functions under certain circumstances.  It's like buying a set of good tires to use on those long hunting trips and getting flats every single time you drive to the grocery store. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 03, 2014, 04:17:10 PM

I'm not sure you are giving it a chance, but that is your perogative.  I have had a couple of expensive guns that didn't work out of the box.  I had an expensive Kimber snap the thumb safety in half the first time I used it.  This stuff happens.  But, it is your life, and your decision.

As for what you disclose, let your conscience be your guide.  If you think it is defective, I guess you should say that.  But I would also say that it has not been back to the factory for warranty service yet.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bobsmith on March 03, 2014, 04:55:44 PM
I've heard that Kimber has QC problem as well.  That was one reasons I never even considered them.  How did the repair go?

I was very patient for a few months.  Trying different ammo and waiting a couple days to hear back from the factory when it was functional. Now that it's been almost 2 weeks of being totally ignored I'm frankly a really pissed off customer now.  I had hopes that today they would be taking calls or providing some info on dates.  Maybe an update on the web site with an expected date or updated phone message.  Just to leave everyone in the dark is very disappointing.     
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 03, 2014, 05:05:42 PM

They replaced one MIM part with another and the gun worked fine.  Glad I wasn't really needing it when it broke.

I don't know what else to say.  There is a sea change going on here from one company to another.  Your frustration is properly aimed at the new company, who completely controls the things you are complaining about right now.  Given a complete change in owners/personnell/policies/procedures/phone numbers, etc. -- they are having some down time.  I presume all that is temporary, given the history of the ownership group that we are all presuming has taken over.

I had a similar experience when the Saturn car company shut down.  Even though GM dealers took over the warranty operations for existing customers, there was a lot of confusion.  I was going through some warranty issues at the time and there were some problems, and some delays, even with a muti-billion dollar publicy traded company.   Eventually it worked out and they even extended my warranty for my troubles. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: Jack_F on March 03, 2014, 08:31:47 PM
I was loodoesn't king for a quality gun I could trust and carry.  Not something that only functions under certain circumstances.  It's like buying a set of good tires to use on those long hunting trips and getting flats every single time you drive to the grocery store.
You would be better served with another firearm.  jmo
I like my R9 (since the first year they where sold)  IT IS NOT A GUN FOR THE MASSES! ALL auto loaders will have malfunctions ...I own or have owned all major autos. If you don't have confidence in a gun it really doesn't matter what company sold it.  Been there done that...... :) I have sold many guns because I didn't have confidence in them. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 03, 2014, 09:39:20 PM
Have you shot 124 or 147 grain Gold dot yet?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bobsmith on March 04, 2014, 12:14:03 AM
No I have not shot 124 or 147 Gold Dot through it.  I was told by the company when I talked to them it was designed for 115 and I got what they suggested. I think they even discouraged the use of 147.

I've got a number of other autos that never jam I can carry. I assumed that if I paid this amount of money for for something it would be reliable.  When it didn't work I assumed the manufactured would support the product as I was told how great they are. 

If this is the expected and normal performance than I would agree the R9 is not the gun for me.  I'd like something that works as good as it looks.     

 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 04, 2014, 09:05:00 AM
Just curious ... How many jams do you guess you may be getting per clip?

Don't worry about answering of you aren't interested in trying to figure out how to make the pistol work. See, I'm stuck having to try to make mine work. What??? That's crazy talk with over 20 carry style pistols in my safe, right? Well if you read all of my posts it's not. I don't really consider myself a perfectionist, BUT I do seek for products that are as close to perfection as humanly possible.

The R9 close to perfection? I thought you sAid it jammed every 16 or so rounds on the recommended 115 gr silvertip diet! That's not even close. I admit its finicky and can even be frustrating to learn. In fact it was so much so that I kept it in the safe and carried my other pistols, BUT I couldn't resist the urge to keep getting it out and work the kinks out. Why? Simply put, there is no other handgun on the face of planet earth that does and is what the R9 does and is. It is as close to perfect as can be EXCEPT it's not reliable which makes it a POJ. Then I come the this forum and see how intelligent and knowledgeable and experience (most are not spring chicks on this forum :) with no agenda that I can uncover LOVE their R9's. Hmmmmm.

Well I'm still not there yet. I truly want to be because I have the baddest looking, most powerful for its size, most comfortable for carry (9mm) that is somewhat hand fit, highly revered pistolé in the history of mankind on the late great planet earth! Inconceivable : ) now, can I implement some tricks from this site or send it back to the R bros and get the same reliability that other R fanatics are experiencing???????? I HAVE to find out.

Now I must say, I realize e I am kind of bent. Even weird, but I can afford to be so I want the best. I have a few minutes this winter to give it a fair shake.

So far, I have found that 124 Gold Dots (I don't care what the factory says, I think Kimber is on to something on their findings on 124 and heavier bullets making these little guns more reliable) have dramatically improved my success. I went from 1 in 16 misfires to 1 in 2 in 68 and those where after firing a lot of rounds. Now I am only firing one clip at a time to stave off fatigue. We will see : )

Not for everybody. Maybe not for you, but for me I want to love my Rohrbaugh. Not sure if I can crack the code. More to come later : )
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 04, 2014, 09:24:00 AM
Addendum to last post:

*i said misfire. I should have said FTE

sorry. I am admittedly a greenhorn compared to others on the site. Also called my mag a clip : ) greenhorn! Lol. Sorry to all of you purists
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 04, 2014, 10:40:45 AM
If this is the expected and normal performance than I would agree the R9 is not the gun for me.   


That is neither expected or normal -- as should be very clear from reading this board.  We are not a collection of enthusiasts who carry unfired or poorly functioning pistols to protect ourselves and our families.   However, I have said all I can on the subject at this point.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 04, 2014, 10:54:58 AM
Correction #2 to my previous post

* I would respectfully like to replace the term fanatic with enthusiast. Sorry fellas.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 04, 2014, 10:57:29 AM
Correction #2 to my previous post

* I would respectfully like to replace the term fanatic with enthusiast. Sorry fellas.

You actually can go back and "modify" prior posts if you find mistakes, etc.  There is button on the upper right of your own posts.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bamboobob on March 04, 2014, 12:25:55 PM
Bamboobob,

Thanks for the tips. I will be interested to see your posted results of the 115 silver tips. Mine were not as good as the GD124 results. Let us know how you fare.

What do you mean about sending you a couple of Pearce extensions?

Also, what is a Maria mag?

Also, also, what do you mean about preloading the mag?

Sorry, but I'm kinda new to some of this terminology (ok I admit it. I'm a bit slow : )

Josh, I think you are doing a good job here, do not be so hard on your self.

Load the mags now and keep them loaded (Break in / exercise them, I guess as per Maria at Rohrbaugh)

Pearce makes plastic extensions, after hand finishing many CNC metal ones I feel confident I could fit / alter a plastic one.  I recently hand sculpted a new design in wax with out measuring, width and length came out so good I did not have to change (Kinda sup-prized myself )

I have been considering starting a thread on abbreviations     (but I only use 2 fingers to type )
   FTF ...      ? ? ?  FT-Fire  (FTI)  (ignite)0           FT-Feed  ect.

So what's the new name if any gonna be Rohrbaugh - Remington or visa-versa

(modified / addition      -   try altering the the plastic ones yourself   ---   most people here probably strongly prefer metal  -    but may be good to  to test with improved grip length 

when I stumble across some plastic ones I will buy some  )
 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 04, 2014, 01:05:33 PM
Thanks to both of you fellows! Good info!

Baboobob- which pierce grips fit the R9 mag, do you know? I saw amazon has some.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bamboobob on March 04, 2014, 01:17:40 PM
Thanks to both of you fellows! Good info!

Baboobob- which pierce grips fit the R9 mag, do you know? I saw amazon has some.

I think its the single stack car 9mm I will try a search here now

Pearce Kahr   search here  no good
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on March 04, 2014, 01:20:46 PM
The extension that fit the Kahr PM9 and Colt Pocket 9 work.  The problem is the stupid heel maqazine latch  and the plastic extension are not good together.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bamboobob on March 04, 2014, 01:38:34 PM
I think I have seen a pic here but can not find now.
It looked as if it would work but I would worry about the thin plastic.
Searches here with common words often produce very few results  -   whats with that?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bamboobob on March 04, 2014, 02:02:48 PM
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=3065.msg31585#msg31585
I found this.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 04, 2014, 03:06:25 PM
Thanks. You guys are very helpful!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 04, 2014, 03:29:19 PM

So what's the new name if any gonna be Rohrbaugh - Remington or visa-versa

(

They bought the name Rohrbaugh and hired two guys named Rohrbaugh...   I can't imagine they would change the name of a successsful design.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 04, 2014, 05:27:15 PM
So, how many consecutive non failures do you experienced R9 carriers think I ought to accept as good to go to depend on. With the 1 clip at a time method using gold dot I now have no failures in the last 5 clips or 30 rounds. We all know this isn't enough. What is? 100? 200?

I might also add that I have only had 2 failures in the last 76 rounds fired now. The first 50 rounds of gold dot were all fired consecutively so I know fatigue was a problem as well as 1 handed firing with fatigued hands. So that box wasn't really a bust for me!

I know someone will say that it is a personal choice which I agree with, BUT I want to know what standards you as individuals would hold the gun to considering it has kinda been unreliable for me (according to my new findings it's PROBABLY due to fatigued hands, my Prefered ammo is 124 GD and letting the barrel cool. Oh and a decidedly tight grip)

I will continue to post as I continue to test.

As for now ... I like my Rohrbaugh!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: DDGator on March 04, 2014, 05:31:24 PM

Five trouble free magazines might be good enough for me.  Have you had any failures at all with this new ammo?  I certainly wouldn't shoot so many that you need a new spring and need to start testing all over again!

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bamboobob on March 04, 2014, 05:45:01 PM
Josh,

Looks like love might be around the corner.

Any/ everyone,
What is the concesscess for best number of rounds on a spring (new, 50, 100 ? ? )
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: jetboater on March 04, 2014, 06:47:18 PM
For me, if the gun was good on the old spring, a couple of mags with the new one is all I need---I'm no "spring expert" but I'm guessing if it's gonna fail, it'll do so quickly. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 04, 2014, 08:19:28 PM
I have about 80 rounds on my new spring.

I have had 6 consecutive failure-free mags as of 10 minutes ago.

In the last 80 rounds I have 2 failure but 1 I think I limp wristed 1 (debatable, but I did fire 6 consecutive mags with only enough time between to cool so I was admittedly was fatigued) and the other one I was even more fatigued and the gun was dirty and I pushed the envelope and was shooting one handed SO those two may have been my bad.

Love is in the air. Lol.

I'm telling you the 124 GOLD DOT IS THE STUFF FOR MY R9
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 05, 2014, 11:09:13 PM
7 consecutive mags.

This is so much better than my experience with 115 WST.

TOTAL OF 2 FTE in 87 rounds. Better every day.

Thanks to the guy who told me to just fire one clip at a time! Thanks for all of the help. When this box of GD is finished i am going to work on some 124 gr lawman rounds and call this thing good before I use up my 200 rds on the spring as ddgator suggests.

Anyone else have an opinion on how many consecutive rounds should be ran through a gun that has given issue to "prove it"?



Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bobsmith on March 05, 2014, 11:46:32 PM
A couple more and call it good.  Why mess with the lawman if you have something that works.  I'd just clean it up and do something else until springs are available. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 06, 2014, 07:33:14 AM
Thanks bobsmith.

I agree with ya. I do have extra springs, but I'm not really wanting to push the envelope.

I am interested to see how yours performs with the 124 GD if you buy some sir.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MaxBlack on March 06, 2014, 08:00:31 AM
Thanks to the guy who told me to just fire one clip at a time!

You're welcome. At least, I think that was me!  ;D

Next issue is keeping track of rounds fired in order to decide about when to replace the spring. That's a situation I don't know anything about and maybe others will comment here.

I would think this might be a matter of "I've exceeded xxx rounds; next test mag I fire I'll do having installed a new spring first."

"Shoot a little, carry a lot."
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 06, 2014, 08:21:58 AM
Thanks Max! That combined with the 124 GD has probably helped me really get this thing working for me! Very helpful sir!!

Yes I would normally clean every 24-30 rounds so if I get around 180 rounds or so and it's clean time I will just change out.

Tracking is easy for me now since I am tracking rounds for testing purposes.

After I am confident in the gun I may lock tight the grip screws and fire 6-12 clips a year. That would mean on the high side I would then be changing the springs every 2.5 years.

Anyone have good success with the Orings keeping screws tight?

I've already got a few screws loose... Don't need to worry about the R9 too.

Getting closer to carrying with confidence every time it goes BANG and I don't end up with a casing lodged in the ejection port.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MaxBlack on March 06, 2014, 11:27:03 AM
I've already got a few screws loose...

Yours have been among the most interesting and informative posts that I have seen here and I thank you for them!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 06, 2014, 02:07:11 PM
Thanks and thanks again for the great recommendation!

Has anyone had good success with the Orings?

I actually rattled my screws loose with lock right on mine  :o
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: tracker on March 06, 2014, 02:13:34 PM
O-rings have worked well for me with no loctite. Loctite can work against you and cause screws to strip when overdone.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: backupr9 on March 06, 2014, 02:31:01 PM
I have the Yankee screws and O-rings.  I occasionally remove grips and clean the oil out of the screw holes with pipe cleaners.  I still get loose grip screws after firing...solution is simple, just tighten them after each session and keep a hex wrench in your range.  Carry with confidence since the screws do not come loose in your holster.

IMO DO NOT USE LOCTITE!  If you strip a screw you may end up with a new frame...happened to me when after the repair of my out of spec firing pin retainer it came back from the factory with loctite and even with heating and use of a high quality wrench the upper right side screw stripped when I tried to change to my VZ's.  Karl basically gave me a new frame at his expense because they could not remove the stripped screw at the factory.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 06, 2014, 02:40:16 PM
Makes sense to me. I have actually drilled a snug fitting hole in my R9 holster that that my Allen wrench fits into without any worry of losing it or not having it with me.

Another point that the factory recommendation is different than some guys on the forum.

I'm glad that mine rattled out so I don't have to worry about getting them out with heat etc.

I am trying to reach Yankee. I'm sure he is on vacation or something and will get me some of those puppies. Not into issues with my EDC. Sounds like a good fix too.

Thanks for the feedback guys!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 06, 2014, 09:49:16 PM
Well the eight consecutive mag went off without a hitch tonight. That makes 49 (one full pistol and 6 clips only) rounds in a row after a one handed FTE which was probably due to limp wrist.

So all in all I have 2 FTE WHICH I BLAME ON LIMPWRISTING since switching to 124 GD 86 rounds ago!!!

I really am tempted to say I love my Rohrbaugh, BUT I'm kinda wanting a few more rounds down the pipe before I sign off totally. I'm real close to believing in this gun's ability to be drawn and fired successfully but after the issues i experienced I stil have a minor aftertaste of White Castle cheeseburgers in my proverbial mouth. The only thing worse than the aftertaste is the aftermath (any of you who don't know what I mean will have to go to White Castle to find out).

So we are getting very close to where we want to be IMHO. I'm excited about these new found results : )

Now why will no one answer this one lingering question????????

"for those of you who CAN fire 115 gr successfully, do you have any problem with the 124 gr GD?"

This is an important question for all future Rohrbaugh R9 owners IMO because of the the royal pain I and many other have gone through and guys like poor Bob who spend $1300 on a gun and then have to spend all of their spare time finding this ammo and that ammo and talk to Maria if they are lucky and then wonder "what did I do, I'm a retard" and then buy that ammo and finally get to the range to be frustrated yet again and all along NOBODY you know has a Rohrbaugh to help and then you say to yourself I'm going to go on line and then you find some sore heads saying how you can buy 2 of this and 2 of that etc which then really gets yer blood boiling and THEN you find this forum if your lucky. At least that was my experience.

Not cool.

Well if they do what kimber is doing with the Solo BECAUSE IT WORKS BETTER WITH MOST LITTLE GUNS REPORTEDLY (please correct me if I'm wrong- I said I'm a greenhorn compared to many on this site) then a ton of these issues would be eradicated for future users. Then people can try 115 if they want rather than the other way around.

I've posed the question at least 3 times so far, but I'm not getting a response. I know you guys care about other people's experience with the gun, so why not?

Here it goes once more... 

"for those of you who CAN fire 115 gr successfully, do you have any problem with the 124 gr GD?"
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: tracker on March 06, 2014, 10:15:41 PM

My answer is no. I think the reason you didn't receive any answer is that many of us experienced equal success in reliability with both, but one was preferred over the other for whatever reason. There are no pat answers to your question. Your reliability issue was solved in part by switching to 124 gr. but the reverse of that scenario is a non sequitur.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 06, 2014, 10:43:15 PM
Thanks for answering Tracker.

So are you saying that your R9 will shoot 115 reliably and that it will not shoot 124 GD reliably?

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: tracker on March 06, 2014, 10:57:24 PM

I repeat: some of us shot 115gr. and 124 gr. both equally reliable, i.e., the bullet weight did not affect reliability with many of us as it did you.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 06, 2014, 11:17:07 PM
Not to be pompous or annoying, but the question isn't "did some fire both reliably, but rather did someone fire 115 reliably and NOT fire 124 reliably?"

The reason I ask is this... If you fire 115 and 124 equally reliable it does nothing to say that 115 or 124 is a better recomendation for the R9. I understand a smaller percentage of folks can shoot both well.

Now if you can shoot 124 and not 115 reliably then that obviously says your weapon prefers 124 which I think most of us are experiencing (hence the whole reason for asking why do Maria and R bros verbally recomend 115?)

Finally IF there is a case out there where someone can reliably shoot 115 and CAN NOT reliably shoot 124 (I still have not found this instance in all of the posts I've read) then this would debunk what is only a theory at this point.

Theory being... The R9 prefers 124 over 115 like the Solo and other tight little guns.

I know it is stated on THIS FORUM to find what yours likes and give it only that, but it takes some of us slower folks awhile to find the forum : ) other info is pointing folks to 115 which this site seems to indicate isn't the fav of the R9

Fyi Tracker: I've read a ton of your posts and you are quite helpful and VERY well versed on the R9. your statements have helped me ALOT getting "on track" with my R9.

Thanks for reading. If anyone would be so kind to step up to the microphone and let the good folks here at this forum know if you have the R9 that shoots 115 reliably and NOT 124 I know I personally would be interested to either validate or debunk this theory.

Thanks fellas.  :D
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bobsmith on March 07, 2014, 12:11:55 AM
I would guess many stopped with what worked and since 115 was the suggestion by the factory when it worked they didn't mess around with other stuff.

"if it isn't broke, don't try to fix it"

My plan was to shoot 50 or so rounds of FMJ.  Then a box of Gold Dot, and not much more after that.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JEFFPENE on March 07, 2014, 07:43:44 AM


My plan was to shoot 50 or so rounds of FMJ.  Then a box of Gold Dot, and not much more after that.
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Now that sounds like a plan!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JEFFPENE on March 07, 2014, 07:45:04 AM


My plan was to shoot 50 or so rounds of FMJ.  Then a box of Gold Dot, and not much more after that.


Now that sounds like a plan!
[/quote]

One that makes sense,............... to me anyway
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 07, 2014, 09:41:24 AM
I agree with you Bob.

And that did sound like a reasonable plan. Wish it would have worked for ya, but you ended up in the same boat I was in. Frustrated with factory recommendations.


So how about it? Any of you experimenters out there that fired their 115 successfully and then still wanted to try some 124??????

If so you could greatly help the Rogrbaugh's success if this little theory is correct.

Surely the boys at Rohrbaugh know the answer to this as they have extensively test fired their baby.

Wonder why they recomend 115 primarily when so many struggle?

Any guesses or informed answers?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on March 07, 2014, 11:13:49 AM
Josh

Every R9 is different.  My first one was not reliable with anything but Bazer aluminum.  I never use that stuff but I was desperate.  I tried 115's, 124's, and 147,s.  Nothing worked.

The second R9 I have will work with any ammunition I have tried.  115's, 124's, and 147's all work. I have not had one single failure with it. I have only used premium self defense type ammo though.  No cheap FMJ's.

Part of the R9's ammo problems in my opinion is the extremely light weight slide.  All other manufacturers rely partially on slide weight to help the gun function.  Springs are not as reliable as good old mass to delay the slide opening.

JMO

P.S.  Both the Solo's I have owned will work fine with 115 grain ammunitition in contrast to the company recommendations. 

Again, only premium self defense type ammo which is loaded hotter.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bobsmith on March 07, 2014, 04:37:40 PM
Josh

Every R9 is different.  My first one was not reliable with anything but Bazer aluminum.  I never use that stuff but I was desperate.  I tried 115's, 124's, and 147,s.  Nothing worked.

The second R9 I have will work with any ammunition I have tried.  115's, 124's, and 147's all work. I have not had one single failure with it. I have only used premium self defense type ammo though.  No cheap FMJ's.

Part of the R9's ammo problems in my opinion is the extremely light weight slide.  All other manufacturers rely partially on slide weight to help the gun function.  Springs are not as reliable as good old mass to delay the slide opening.

JMO

P.S.  Both the Solo's I have owned will work fine with 115 grain ammunitition in contrast to the company recommendations. 

Again, only premium self defense type ammo which is loaded hotter.

Did you ever get the first one working?  Did you ever request that it be repaired or looked over by the factory?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 07, 2014, 07:50:57 PM
Thanks for the input MRC.

So we have the first pistol that was probably a POJ and needed some factory help from what I read.

Then we have a piece of factory perfection that will fire any weight apparently.

There is at least one (and maybe 2) other kinds of Rohrbaugh R9 out on the streets as we speak.

The first subject is my type of R9 that only likes 124 (and probably heavier) primo ammo. 115 won't run dependably, but 124 GD will.

I am wondering if there is a fourth kind of R9. The one that runs 115 but will NOT 124. This is the gun that no one in all of my reading exists. Every time I ask for that gun owner to speak up he is silent.

If the theory that this illusive beast does not exist is correct that would probably indicate that (once again) the factory folks would serve a greater body of the R9 owners by recommending 124 PRIMARILY (unless there is another reason they don't want to do this).

You can't help the first gun type with a different ammo.

You can't help or hurt the second gun type with a different ammo 

You can help the third (I suspect the majority of R9 owners are here) gun type by PRIMARILY recommending 124 primo/GD

I don't think number four exists, and if it does then 115 as the primary recomendation may still be a good idea if its not 2 in 6000 guns that are like this.

Minor thing that may save major headaches and sore head owners if correct.

Please help with feedback fellas. Thanks.

 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: MRC on March 07, 2014, 10:36:36 PM
Josh

Every R9 is different.  My first one was not reliable with anything but Bazer aluminum.  I never use that stuff but I was desperate.  I tried 115's, 124's, and 147,s.  Nothing worked.

The second R9 I have will work with any ammunition I have tried.  115's, 124's, and 147's all work. I have not had one single failure with it. I have only used premium self defense type ammo though.  No cheap FMJ's.

Part of the R9's ammo problems in my opinion is the extremely light weight slide.  All other manufacturers rely partially on slide weight to help the gun function.  Springs are not as reliable as good old mass to delay the slide opening.

JMO

P.S.  Both the Solo's I have owned will work fine with 115 grain ammunitition in contrast to the company recommendations. 

Again, only premium self defense type ammo which is loaded hotter.

Did you ever get the first one working?  Did you ever request that it be repaired or looked over by the factory?

Yes, iwent through the same ritual you guys went through.  Proper cleaning and lubrication.(They were recommending Super lube back then).  Get good ammo.  Use a firm grip, etc.

I spent $250 on ammo, had two of my friends shoot it, and I still only fired a full magazine with Blaser Aluminum.  Every kind of ammunition that failed in the R9 was 100% in my PM9 and my two friend's PF-9's.  By the way the Rohrbaugh cost more than the other three guns combined.

I finally blew up at Maria when she told me they do not have trouble with their guns so it must be something I was doing wrong.  I asked to speak to Eric and she offered to buy the gun back which I jumped at the offer.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 07, 2014, 10:46:57 PM
Well glad to hear that they bought it back at least.

Wanna trade R9's MRC?

Mine is really awesome now : ))

JK. It's cool you have one that will shoot anything. I'm only slightly jealous.

I am happy to report that mag #9 went 7/7 bringing an end to the 2nd box and a begininning to the third. 3 FTE out of 100.

2 out of the first box.

1 out of the second.

I feel all three were probably limp wrist related. Kinda worries me that a guy would have to have a perfect grip (or anything) in a high stress situation.

Well after 300 or so rounds through the gun I'm getting the hang of it hopefully. Wish I could carry a larger gun, but I'm really stuck on the R9 platform.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: JoshA on March 07, 2014, 10:59:10 PM
Please take 2 seconds to fill out the simple poll at the top of this page.

Thanks fellas : )
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: JoshA on March 08, 2014, 12:59:03 AM
I think I have decided to shoot the R9 until one of these 3 things happen.

1) I love the R9 and it totally wins my confidence (we are getting closer not further away: )

2) shoot it until it's broke and decide it may not be the gun for me

3) shoot it until I'm broke and can't afford any more high dollar ammo. Lol

I think the next box will be tell tale (sure hope so)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: JoshA on March 08, 2014, 03:18:14 PM
Well I am surprised to see the results from the poll so far! I must say, I didn't see that coming.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: DDGator on March 08, 2014, 04:56:45 PM

JoshA,

I don't love the idea of a poll...   It would have no scientific value and the "results" -- although not too disappointing so far -- could be used inappropriately by people who have an agenda.

Although I don't ever censor negative comments, I am inclined to shut this one down -- or at least ask you to do so. 

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: MRC on March 08, 2014, 05:05:40 PM
I could only vote once and I have had two R9's.  (i voted the positive one)

There should be a category for:

"I don't shoot mine, I only look at it."

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: JoshA on March 08, 2014, 05:14:06 PM
Sent PM to ya DDGator.

Thanks. Let me know how you would like me to proceed sir.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: trident on March 08, 2014, 05:57:06 PM
Poll shows  nothing imo.

FWIW ...mine has only been fed 124gr hst never even tried any others. Its been flawless, but maybe 115 will work maybe not , maybe 90gr might work oh maybe 147 maybe maybe....maybe.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: JoshA on March 08, 2014, 06:25:00 PM
Your experience is kinda unusual IMO since factory recommends 115 and you have never even tried 115. That's kinda rare Trident. I THINK most people either just try any old ammo and run into trouble (or not???) and then do research or go with factory recommendations. Or they start with factory recommendation and stay with it until frustrated or just love their R9 because it gives em no issues whatsoever (like you you lucky cat! Lol)

Anyway I thought the poll may result in an interesting find. Perhaps not :)

I don't understand how gathering data is not helpful though. Just me. I'm a trouble shooter and data is king. The one caveat is bad data. So perhaps that's a concern. Aside from junk being entered into the equation (you almost always get some of this when trying to troubleshoot I.e. People lying, people figuring or reporting inaccurately, people wanting to sound like a know it all when they don't know anything etc.). These things are always in the mix when dealing with data, but I believe most people have better things to do in life than just hate on someone's product. Just my opinion.

DDGator: I still haven't received a response from the PM I sent ya sir. I will take the poll down if you like or you can do it. I just had the one idea for ya before I did it sir.

Thanks fellas.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: trident on March 08, 2014, 07:13:29 PM
I think factory said something like I use 115gr silvertips , not really a set in stone recommendation like early seecamps for example.  I started with a proven short barrel round, I dont waste time on unproven rounds myself.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: tracker on March 08, 2014, 07:22:50 PM

The following is from the Rohrbaugh web site FAQ:

http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/faq

Anything else regarding "recommended ammo" is rumor, conversation, undocumented e-mails, or anecdotal speculation.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But+ TAKE POLL PLEASE :)
Post by: JoshA on March 08, 2014, 07:26:12 PM
...or one on one conversations with Maria and one of the Rohrbaugh's. I have had conversations with both. However I said he said she said. I get it.

Well here is the official quote:

What kind of ammo can I shoot from my Rohrbaugh pistol?
Use only original high quality factory manufactured (no reloaded) 9mm standard pressure parabellum ammunition in good condition. DO NOT USE +P OR +P+ AMMUNITION. Your Rohrbaugh Pistol has a short barrel to minimize overall size. +P or +P+ ammunition will not result in increased performance but can cause undue wear and failure of the mechanism. Use 380 ACP for your 9mm Kurz.

Without the help of this forum I would say that there would be a lot of more unhappy campers or the other R9's fire other stuff pretty good (except for a few).

I see a lot of people who really rely on 124 GD on this forum. Seems like several of us struggle with 115.

Oh well. I don't know why I care. I kinda figured out (thanks for the help fellas) mine and obviously I am swimming against the current by getting this detailed or specific when the sages haven't found it necessary to do so.

But wait... That brings me full circle in my thinking. I'm trying to take my unhappy experience and a lot of other people's experience and boil down at least one kernel of wisdom for others to benefit by. Where am I off base? Why is this type of musing so annoying? Where is my logic inaccurate?  Oh cruel world!! Lol. Whatevs.

Take my dumb poll off. See if I care. I'm just a gun loving, 42 year old, overweight, dad of five (this helps me accept disapproval in so many ways :) living the American dream trying to help another bloke along.

It's all good.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But + NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: DDGator on March 08, 2014, 09:15:11 PM

Sorry for the delay -- I was out to dinner with my lovely wife on our wedding anniversary.   8)

My thought is this...  I don't know that people lie in responding, but it is not a random sampling at all.  With the possible exception of this forum, the internet tends to attract people who are unhappy with their products.  I would usually expect a poll to generate a lot of negative responses.  In this case, you will mostly get responses from a few people who have not gotten tired of reading this lengthy thread...   ;)

People then use the results of such polls to say things like -- "A poll of Rohrbaugh owners shows that 50% of their pistols don't function reliably -- according to the Rohrbaugh Forum."   Sounds authoritative, but it is a bunch of crap.

In this case, the poll is overwhelmingly showing most R-9s work great.  Even so, I don't love it.  However, I think my request seems much more reasonable while the results are still overwhelmingly positive.  If the results reflected poorly, I would be accused of being a "fan boy."  I don't like the poll regardless of how the results are trending.

That being said -- I think I will take it down.   I'm not offended by the attempt to gather info -- I'm just not comfortable with the methodology.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: JoshA on March 08, 2014, 10:02:36 PM
Happy anniversary sir. Congrats.

As for the poll, very well Duane.

I respect your decision and it makes more sense now that you explain your concern.

Thanks for explaining.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: Griff on March 09, 2014, 05:25:50 PM
Josh, welcome to the club.  I haven't posted in a while, and just read through this discussion.

I have put all kinds of ammo through my R9s, and haven't had any problems at all, except for Hornady Critical Defense. It was having regular failures to ignite. After doing some info net research, I found that it is accused of having hard primers. I think that the R9, because of its small size, just can't produce the force necessary to consistently light hard primers. My experience anyway.

As to the 115 vs. 124 grain issue.  It may be that 115 is deemed better because of hollow point expansion reasons.  Heavier bullets move slower and may not reach the critical speed necessary to fully expand, possibly making the lighter 115 more effective in short barrel pistols.

But, and this is a big but, 124 grain on target is for sure much more effective than 115 in the stove pipe.

I think that in many cases, the kind of people that are drawn to Rohrbaughs, are the same type that are willing to invest the money, time, research, experimentation, etc. to have what we here passionately believe is the Perfect Undercover Pistol(pup).

I am glad to see that your persistence is paying off.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: JoshA on March 09, 2014, 05:48:32 PM
Thanks Griff.

It seems all 4 of my FTE's in the last 113 rounds (last 13 rounds were SPEER LAWMAN)are when I look back and can't remember exactly if I was gripping and locking up perfectly. It seems when I am really thinking about it I can do quite well. When I am just shooting it wants to FTE.

This worries me that in a firefight I will fail. I don't trust me very much. Granted if I Carry one in the chamber I at least have a fine derringer, BUT when I read guys reports like yours, Richards and some of the others I wonder if my extractor does need tweaked or something. It just seems a little too finicky.

Do you think with 4 FTE's out of 113 rounds of quality 124 grain fired while trying to be as conscientious as I can be it is worth a trip to the new factory when they reopen?

I'm not ecstatic with the results quite frankly.

What do you think sir?

I like CS Lewis BTW. That's a great quote I've not seen until seeing it on one of your previous posts.  Good stuff :)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: Douglas on March 09, 2014, 07:35:06 PM
Hey Josh,

Not to spend your money... ;)  but why not try 147g?

If you search me you'll find a couple of range reports, different bullet weights, manufacturers, etc. I carry 147g for a couple of reasons, one of them is how well it works for me, and worked for the guy I bought my R9 from. I prefer heavier bullets.

That aside I agree with you, having to concentrate too hard on grip while shooting might be a concern. Some say (Mas Ayoob, for example) that if you need to shoot for real, you'll be crushing the grip. He's probably right. Far more than limp-wrist failures, on the street under stress we often see "too many" rounds fired. -So you'll probably be okay.

The question is, does that satisfy you? If you worry about limp wristing an R9, you'll likely have the same issue with a Seecamp, LCP, etc..

So, no kidding here, have you tried a J frame, or similar?

-No ammo sensitivity, no grip-related failure.

If you search me you'll also find some observations regarding the R9 vs. the J. I've come to prefer the former, but you're unlikely to hear me knock the latter.  :)

Good luck,  8)

Doug
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: Griff on March 09, 2014, 08:16:04 PM

It seems all 4 of my FTE's in the last 113 rounds (last 13 rounds were SPEER LAWMAN)are when I look back and can't remember exactly if I was gripping and locking up perfectly. It seems when I am really thinking about it I can do quite well. When I am just shooting it wants to FTE.

Do you think with 4 FTE's out of 113 rounds of quality 124 grain fired while trying to be as conscientious as I can be it is worth a trip to the new factory when they reopen?

I'm not ecstatic with the results quite frankly.

What do you think sir?

Josh,
My opinion is that in an emergency situation I would want to be able to pull my firearm and be confident that it would fire a full magazine under whatever circumstance I found myself. It should function with one hand, two hands, weak side, upside down, or however.
I saw that you have many other options including a .380 Seecamp. I would probably put the Pup away until the factory reopened, and carry something else that I trusted until they can take a look at it.
Or, if I had the financial resources, buy a new pup, and pass it by the WIFE RADAR as an investment.
I have a feeling that your used one may have had a known pre-existing condition that you inherited.

I bought a used 1911 a while back, always wanted one, that experienced a catastrophic failure at the range. It went back to Springfield Armory and was repaired under warranty, but will be relegated as a range toy until it has successfully regained my confidence.

I probably will not be buying any more used guns for real world use.
We live, we learn, we try not to make the same mistakes twice in a row.
Let us know which way you go.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: JoshA on March 09, 2014, 08:34:08 PM
Sound like words of wisdom from both of ya.

Douglas: I will try some 147 gr. What brand fires well for ya?

As for a J- my first gun (which I still own) is a S&W 642. I'm VERY sensitive to Added weight or in that case bulk. I want to carry everywhere all the time. If I'm not comfortable (I even struggle with a shield) I won't carry and so I need to get the R9 fixed. I think it has a prob. Small, but a problem.

Griff: I'm totally with ya. I don't like lack of confidence in my EDC (I guess that was a duh).

Thanks for the help and this confirms my suspensions as well.

I will try 147 and the. Back to the factory if I can't figure it out with 147.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: Douglas on March 09, 2014, 08:46:41 PM

Douglas: I will try some 147 gr. What brand fires well for ya?

As for a J- my first gun (which I still own) is a S&W 642. I'm VERY sensitive to Added weight or in that case bulk. I want to carry everywhere all the time. If I'm not comfortable (I even struggle with a shield) I won't carry and so I need to get the R9 fixed. I think it has a prob. Small, but a problem.

I will try 147 and the. Back to the factory if I can't figure it out with 147.

We use Federal Hydra Shoks. That's my standard. The newer HST are supposed to be great. I haven't tried.

I've also used 147g Speer Gold Dots without issue.

Too bad on the 642. I have one. Love it. I find the more "organic" shape of the revolver, the curves and bulges, make it conceal better than the boxy semi-autos, and I find revolvers much easier to draw from the pocket (which is where I usually carry the little guns.) There's also the advantage in contact shooting and shooting from the pocket.

Anyway, that said I understand if you prefer the R9. I do too!   ;D
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: JoshA on March 09, 2014, 09:16:18 PM
Thanks Douglas:

I will look up some 147 quality stuff.

Also, how do you carry the 642? I'm a Levi blue jeans guy (only wear dress pants on Sunday typically) so I don't think the 642 conceals to my liking there. What is a Prefered IWB for it? Or how do you carry?

I will order some 147 gold dot or hydra shocks or HST.

Thanks again.

Too bad no one else in the entire Indianapolis area that I know of carries an R9. I would love to get some range time in with an experienced user and get a second (hands-on) opinion. Oh well. We'll keep trying.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: JoshA on March 09, 2014, 09:18:23 PM
Oh, also what is a link to the forum discussion about j frames. Sorry.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: JoshA on March 09, 2014, 09:52:51 PM
Actually no need to send the link sir,  I just went ahead and read 3 pages of your posts Douglas. Interesting read. It's good to get an officers take on what works in the handgun world. I carry for a what if. You carry with much more awareness of the evil that lurks out there. Not to mention the shared experience of what works with fellow officers. My son wants to be and officer. He's a 17 year old junior with plans of LE courses at college.

Looks like your R9 serves you well.

One word of curiosity on one of your posts I read talking about how the R9 should hold up as well as any other pistols (within reason) ... I am a little concerned about some of the more intricate parts shaking loose. One in particular has been mentioned on this post. It's the block that holds the firing pin right where the hammer strikes it. Mine has the smallest wiggle to it. Some have reported issues with this piece which did not allow the slide to cycle properly. I think the frame and slide are solid. If the screw are always tightened there isn't a whole lot I fear but just wonder if it could hold together after thousands of rounds without several trips in for adjustments.

Perhaps Guncats will help us know the answer to that a little better.

Finally: I'm on my 3rd VW Jetta TDI. Love em.

Sorry so many topics.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: DDGator on March 09, 2014, 10:07:17 PM

Also, how do you carry the 642? I'm a Levi blue jeans guy (only wear dress pants on Sunday typically) so I don't think the 642 conceals to my liking there. What is a Prefered IWB for it? Or how do you carry?


Everyone is different, but I carry a j-frame in front jeans pocket quite often.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: Douglas on March 09, 2014, 10:12:27 PM
Try the Gold Dots or Hydras first, at least I can speak for them in mine.

I'm a blue jeans guy myself. Desantis Nemesis in the pocket. No doubt the R9 carries easier, but the J draws better

I have an IWB for the J as well, some type of Desantis nylon, don't remember the version. I don't use it anymore. I used to, when I carried the J as a back up years ago.

Nowadays, if I carry any way besides pocket, I carry a bigger gun. If I go IWB, I carry a G26.



I've read the firing pin thing. It sounds like a clear culprit in some people's problems. Honestly, I've never checked mine but I would recommend it.

Tell your son to be a doctor!  ;)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: JoshA on March 09, 2014, 10:17:31 PM
I'll see if I can manage the J in the front pocket again until I get the R9 running smoother. Thanks DD and Douglas.

I will pass the message on to my 17-year-old to look into a career as a doctor. LOL

I AM GETTING THE 147's for sure. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: JoshA on March 10, 2014, 12:00:51 AM
Well per Douglas' instructions I now have ...

150- 147 gr GD

20-   147 gr hydra shok

50-  147 gr fed hi shok (anybody have experience with these? 50 rd $25)

...on the way from ammunition depot.

Let's see if we can do better than 109 out of 113 in 124 gr (97 out of 100 for the GD)

My hand doesn't hurt quite enough ...yet :) it's actually not too bad to shoot the R9 unless I shoot 50 consecutive rounds. Now the Seecamp .380 on the other hand... :o U C H
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: MRC on March 10, 2014, 12:39:04 PM
Josh

One other thing that has not been brought up and you might look into if you think that        "limp- wristing" is a possibility is changing the grips.  The stock Rohrbaugh grips are way to slick and flat to my thinking.  VZ grips look better and give the shooter much more grip.   

Also magazine extensions work very well if you can find some.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: JoshA on March 10, 2014, 12:49:58 PM
Thanks MRC.

I have a GREAT LOOKING pair of  VZ's on the R9.

Great idea on the mag extensions. Anybody know how to get one or two?

Also, do they impede in the pocket carry much?

I contacted one fella and he recommended Pearce brand. I was hoping for non-plastic ones if anyone makes em.

Thanks a bunch once again MRC.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But (minus) NOT SO INTERESTING POLL
Post by: JoshA on March 10, 2014, 01:01:55 PM
Here is an observation for someone to comment on.

I just cleaned the R9 after 2 clips. I noticed what I've noticed a lot in the past, but was somewhat surprised to see it after just 12 rounds.

There is always fine powder like metal on the inside of the gun when cleaned. It is something that I was originally somewhat alarmed by and then read somewhere that the gun is so tight that there is nowhere for debris to go so it needs cleaned more frequently, but I haven't seen this kind of thing on any other of my pistols so I'm wondering if this is normal or not.

It primarily showed up on the end of q-tips. I detect some type of metallic powder shining amongst the goo.

Anybody else get this?

Should I be concerned? Could this be pointing to the heart of the problem?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT **SEEING METALLIC DUST 😳
Post by: JoshA on March 10, 2014, 10:53:03 PM

I had a good range session today. Ran 37 rounds of 124 Lawamn through the R9- it fired excellent each time. 1 FTE out of the box of 50 which occurred the other day.

With 124 grain gold dots we were 97/100

Speer Lawman 124 grain we were 49/50

Bringing my R9 up to 146/150 or 97%

 with 124 to date

as opposed to 14/15 or 93% with 115 grain WST

Of course I've learned alot of other tips from you guys that have helped as well. Perhaps once I'm shooting at 100% i'll run some more WST to see how my particular R9 runs with the other tricks up my sleeve.

Looking forward to trying the 147 gr when it arrives to see if I can get the results Douglas experiences.

Until then, the S&W shield rides iwb. Shirt untucked looking all unprofessionnal. Oh, wait a minute, I always look that way :))))

I realize few may still be reading this post and fewer still willing to reply at this point however i do have an alarming question; is metallic dust after 2 clips par for the course fellas?

I'm kinda not thinking so. What do you think is causing this dust? Not seen this in any of the other pistols I clean regularly.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: bobsmith on March 11, 2014, 09:32:29 AM
I noticed a little in mine.  I'm not an R9 expert as I'm new to ownership so others might know more about it. 

I think when we have issues with one thing we start to examine everything under a microscope trying to find a problem in our limited experiences.  When I looked inside similar designed guns (steel slides on alloy frames) I found similar wear marks.  The dust is most likely coming from the Al alloy frame where the steel makes contact with the Al. I've got a S&W 6906 that has less than 300 rounds through it and found the same wear marks on the frame. 

 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: JoshA on March 11, 2014, 10:14:46 AM
Makes sense. My frame is looking kinda beat up.


Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: bobsmith on March 11, 2014, 05:02:03 PM
Makes sense. My frame is looking kinda beat up.

I might part mine out if I can't get it fixed.  Interested in an almost new frame?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: JoshA on March 11, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Pm sent
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT **SEEING METALLIC DUST 😳
Post by: JoshA on March 11, 2014, 11:21:27 PM
Is metallic dust after 2 clips par for the course fellas?

I'm kinda not thinking so. What do you think is causing this dust? Not seen this in any of the other pistols I clean regularly.

Any comments from some more experienced R9ers?

Think it's the AL shaving off?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: MRC on March 12, 2014, 07:12:40 AM
What are you using for lube?  That can be critical for alloy frame pistols.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: JoshA on March 12, 2014, 07:16:10 AM
Eezox and frog lube now.

Started with hoppes elite gun oil.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: JoshA on March 12, 2014, 07:17:03 AM
Do you see this metallic dusting when cleaning yours MRC?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: MRC on March 12, 2014, 08:03:41 AM
Not really, but I have not shot it for a long time and I never shot a lot of rounds between cleaning like you seem to be doing.

Posting pictures before and after cleaning would be a big help.

As far as lube, I have never used eezox on anything but Seecamps and I have never used Frog Lube but hear great things about it.  I cannot help there.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: JoshA on March 12, 2014, 08:59:17 AM
Not really, but I have not shot it for a long time and I never shot a lot of rounds between cleaning like you seem to be doing.


Posting pictures before and after cleaning would be a big help.

As far as lube, I have never used eezox on anything but Seecamps and I have never used Frog Lube but hear great things about it.  I cannot help there.

Thanks MRC. I am cleaning every 12- 50 rounds (max) 

As for pics, I only use an iPad and iPhone, so I don't think there is a way to post using these products.

Finally what is the best lube known to mankind for the R9? I will get some.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: MRC on March 12, 2014, 11:09:25 AM
JoshA asked

"Finally what is the best lube known to mankind for the R9? I will get some."

I will defer to those more experienced than I with the R9 with one comment.  When I got my first R9, Rohrbaugh was recommending Super Lube so I purchased some(Harbor Freight).  I still use it on the rails for lubrication on many of my stainless auto loaders and it does a very good job in my opinion.   USE SPARINGLY!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: JoshA on March 12, 2014, 11:37:26 AM
Awesome. Thanks MRC. I'll get some and try it out.

Also: sent PM
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: rcm11 on March 12, 2014, 01:26:05 PM
Not really, but I have not shot it for a long time and I never shot a lot of rounds between cleaning like you seem to be doing.

Posting pictures before and after cleaning would be a big help.

As far as lube, I have never used eezox on anything but Seecamps and I have never used Frog Lube but hear great things about it.  I cannot help there.

I use Froglube on all of my guns.  I am in love with the product for several reasons.  Smell, effectiveness as a CLP, ease of cleaning after a range visit, the fact that it's not dangerous chemicals (you can actually eat Froglube if you wanted). 

I don't use a single drop of oil on ANY of my guns since switching to Froglube.  I kid you not.  After each range visit I am OCD about cleaning the gun and I naturally check for wear (or excessive wear) on all friction areas of the slide and frame---no problems whatsoever with just Froglube and no lubricant of any kind.  I used to use Wilson Combat Ultima Lube II, but found after numerous careful and thorough inspections saw that Froglube is truly all you need.

If you're going to go ahead and try Froglube, be sure that you remove all traces of oil from your gun before using Froglube CLP.  They sell a Froglube Solvent for this purpose, but you can also use alcohol to remove oils from the gun if you want.  Also...it really does make a difference when you use a hairdryer to warm up all metal surfaces before applying Froglube.  There are Youtube videos showing the greater effectiveness of a Froglube treatment that was done with heat, versus not heating up the metal.

I detail stripped my Rohrbaughs for their initial Froglube applications so as to cover every single square millimeter of the pistol.

Hope this glowing endorsement of Froglube helps.  I've used so many products before Froglube and I'm so glad I tried this stuff (and so is my workbench as it WAY less crowded and cluttered with cleaning products).  Try it, you'll be sold!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: MaxBlack on March 12, 2014, 02:12:19 PM
I use Froglube on all of my guns.
Feeling too lazy today to surf on this, so...what is the difference/when would you use the paste vs. the liquid form???
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: tracker on March 12, 2014, 02:32:16 PM

I asked the same question to a dealer and he said none other than the obvious. It just depends on your preference.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: JoshA on March 12, 2014, 02:42:05 PM
Thanks rcm11.

Good to hear that it passes the OCD test.  :)

I've been wanting to do the hair dryer thing, but haven't gotten to it yet. I'm impressed with the way the gun wets up when fires with the frog lube.

I will do my r9 today. 

Hopefully get my 147 soon and back to the range we go.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: bobsmith on March 12, 2014, 06:05:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtXO1Ps5_w

Josh,  Have you looked into polishing your chamber?  I don't know if this is the best method, but It might be something you could do at home one night.  This was the first hit on got from a google search.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT ** now shooting 124 gr 97% reliably!!
Post by: JoshA on March 12, 2014, 10:59:43 PM
Maybe I can just send the barrel to him to work on it. I'm sure he's absolutely capable of doing high end work too : )) I enjoyed that. Crude but effective comes to mind. It actually may help my issue, but I don't see any machining marks in the chamber.

Thanks for the video link. It's was interesting and I learned something.

I actually cleaned my R9 after the last successful range session and discovered that the piece to the left of the hammer is now very loose. Wiggle wiggle. Reminds me of one of my kid's loose teeth.

Any word when the boys will be taking warranty work on again Duane?

Not looking good for the home team.

Well I said I would keep shooting it till 1) it was reliable, or 2) it broke or 3) it broke me from all the high end ammo it needs to get reliability figured out.

It's broke.

Please let us know if you find something out on an eta for warranty work DDGator.

I want to love my Robrbaugh... BUT : (

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT :( LOOSE PIECE AND NO FACTORY TO WORK ON IT
Post by: DDGator on March 12, 2014, 11:20:04 PM

As I mentioned in the other thread, there is no way to know for sure.  I heard that the new owners expected to be open in Pineville in March.  I don't know anything more than that.  And, since we don't even know who the new owner is yet, we can't exactly ask.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT :( LOOSE PIECE AND NO FACTORY TO WORK ON IT
Post by: JoshA on March 12, 2014, 11:36:08 PM
Great. Thanks for that Duane. I don't recall seeing the march date mentioned, but I'm confident you mentioned it. Just didn't see it or recall it.

That's sounding hopeful : )
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT :( LOOSE PIECE AND NO FACTORY TO WORK ON IT
Post by: JoshA on March 13, 2014, 10:14:43 PM
For those of you interested in OTHER GUNS, I was able to break out a new pistol today and I must say I can't wait to fire it again tomorrow : ) SWEEEEEEEEET (so far)

You can check out the review and range report here if ya like:

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7312.0

Since the R9 is now compromised internally I had to figure out something to fill in for it while awaiting the new factory reopen and then of course the long expected round trip for the R9.

The new pistol was pretty impressive to me.

Anyway I really want to get my R9 and get back to working the kinks out. Hopefully I don't take a serious step backward when I get it back from the factory.

Hopefully they get back in the saddle some time in March as projected.

Thanks again Duane for keeping us abreast of the situation.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I BROKE IT
Post by: JoshA on March 18, 2014, 07:36:54 PM
R9 waiting to go back to to factory when they reopen 😔

Check out the review and range report on the temporary replacement.

After all IF you shoot your R9 you may need a decent backup to stick in your pocket and this would be a good one IMHO : )

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7312.0
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: JoshA on April 10, 2014, 07:44:58 PM
Still waiting for the factory to announce when they will reopen.

Same revised message on the VM, but nobody's home.

Surprised that the new company won't say when they are opening the doors. They really must be confident of their customer base to give such a little care of making it known when the doors will open for warranty work, parts, new orders etc. Weird.

Same discussion as 30 days ago I realize, but now there are another 30 days gone by. Hmmm. Is this not strange to anyone? I know its weird to me and several others, but does somebody think it's still explainable without the "that's corporate America. They don't have to care" speach? I'm not familiar with BIG companies and how they work, but to me something seems to be missing. If I'm going to pay two bros a healthy sum for their business I would do my best to make them be out there getting sales and keeping my investment safe and making some money. You can't make money being shut down with ABSOLUTELY NO COMMUNICATION with your client base.

Most perplexing. Were they abducted by aliens? Did Obama make them close the doors and was Maria  actually a CIA agent? Was there an international spy plant deep within the company ranks that pulled a heist on both R bros and disallowed the story from leaking out with the new VM to buy time? LOL!

Well I truly hope to hear some news soon so I can get my R9 fixed and back to square one of working the bugs out of its reliability issues.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: tracker on April 10, 2014, 07:51:35 PM

Carry a little and shoot less. UFN.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: JoshA on April 10, 2014, 07:58:27 PM

Carry a little and shoot less. UFN.

That's funny Tracker. I think that's the only thing I can do for now.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: bobsmith on April 11, 2014, 12:31:55 AM
Carry a little and hope for a one shot stop as it's a pretty single shot that my "limp wrist" can't get to cycle. 


Hello.  Hello.  Is there anybody out out there?  Is there anybody home? 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: JoshA on April 11, 2014, 07:10:30 AM
I hear ya Bob, but you still haven't tried to run 124 Gold Dots yet have you? That combined with a break in period I think it's too early to decide your R9 is a bad one IMO.

Of course I couldn't say its a good one either, but until you try 124 GD/124 Lawman for range and break it in a little bit (the Kahr 380 I just got says 200 rounds for it- idk???) it seems like its hard to tell if its a lemon or not.

That being said, your arm doesn't look like a jelly fish tentacle does it? Lol. Just kidding : )

How many rounds do you have through it any way?

Lucky gunner has 50 count boxes of 124 gold dot for about $30 and 124 Lawman for about $22. Easy to order and they are the fastest shipper so far. 1-2 days max.

Hope that helps Bobster. Let me know how many rounds you have through it please : ) I'm curious.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: bobsmith on April 11, 2014, 01:12:07 PM
No, I just haven't had time to mess with it in the last month.  I have tons of critical projects I'm dealing with and other interests besides trying to find a special load for this pistol.  I had no clue these things are this picky and particular about ammo.  I was told by many people how great these are and that the company would back it up if I had trouble.

Anyway.. Nobody wants to hear about it on this forum.     
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: JoshA on April 11, 2014, 02:38:46 PM
Lol. Well it's super easy to order gold dots on lucky if you decide you want to get it working well.

Peace out.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: bobsmith on April 11, 2014, 05:04:46 PM
I've got a box of 124 HST to try out.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: tracker on April 11, 2014, 07:54:07 PM
That is the best, IMO. If it won't work with HST 124 it just won't work. It isn't true that nobody on this forum wants to hear about your problem. Many of us on the forum have had some issues of varying magnitude but mostly the results were very positive when addressed by the factory. Unfortunately, your malfunctions occurred about the same time that the factory closed. There isn't much any of us here can do to correct or address your difficulties with the gun but I do recall that several of us made a few suggestions in the dark.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: JoshA on April 11, 2014, 11:28:25 PM
Come on Bob. Shoot the 124 HST. I want to know how that pistol works. Come on Bob :) do it dude. All that important stuff can wait. Let's see how she does.

Sorry I couldn't resist.

Well maybe soon eh? Might be a great little gun for ya. And who knows, maybe someone will buy the thing if it eats 124 reliably. Maybe.

Quit watching 12 hours a day of cartoons and go shoot that R9!

Just kidding Bob.

Let us know how it does by all means though.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: bobsmith on April 15, 2014, 04:09:41 PM
That is the best, IMO. If it won't work with HST 124 it just won't work. It isn't true that nobody on this forum wants to hear about your problem. Many of us on the forum have had some issues of varying magnitude but mostly the results were very positive when addressed by the factory. Unfortunately, your malfunctions occurred about the same time that the factory closed. There isn't much any of us here can do to correct or address your difficulties with the gun but I do recall that several of us made a few suggestions in the dark.

I do greatly appreciate the help I got from a few of the members here. At this point I just don't have the time to tinker with it any longer.  It's been nice and sunny here for the first time in 5 months months.  I've got other toys to play with.  There may be a few here that want to hear my opinion, but considering my experience with Rohrbaugh and the "policy" of the forum I'm going to refrain from posting it on this board.

Thank you to the folks that offered constructive tips and suggestions.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: ford999 on April 15, 2014, 04:26:43 PM
been reading this thread with some interest since it was started. I have used 124 gr. golddots since I have carried   the r9. Have never had a problem untill a few weeks ago. I had one stove-pipe on me , probably my mistake. Bought 2 boxes of 124 gr. HST and have really liked them. I miked both cartridges and the hst is just a hair shorter, Mabey will function in a R9 better. Ron
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT I GOT A NEW GUN :)
Post by: tracker on April 15, 2014, 04:54:14 PM

That is good information, Ron. I don't think there is much doubt that cartridge length is a critical factor in R9 reliability. Gold Dots have served us well for years but there may always be something better around the corner.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: JoshA on April 15, 2014, 11:25:22 PM
So I failed to realize that the cartidge length makes a significant difference in the reliable cycling for the R9.

Gold Dots are obviously good. How are the HST's working? As reliable or better than Gold Dots?

Any word on Golden Sabre? I've been impressed with that round's performance everywhere I look.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: bobsmith on April 15, 2014, 11:44:45 PM
So I failed to realize that the cartidge length makes a significant difference in the reliable cycling for the R9.

Gold Dots are obviously good. How are the HST's working? As reliable or better than Gold Dots?

Any word on Golden Sabre? I've been impressed with that round's performance everywhere I look.

What broke on yours? That little piece to the left of the hammer about 2mm x 2mm? Maybe you just need a new pin or screw.  I don't have mine handy to inspect.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: JoshA on April 16, 2014, 07:08:58 AM
That's the piece Bob. The 2 mm x 2 mm to the left of the hammer. I looked to see if there is a visible pin that could be replaced easy enough, but could not see one. No sign of a screw either.

Perhaps someone out there can inform if they know how to cure a 2 mm x 2 mm thing to the left of the hammer that's loose.

Any info fellas?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: bobsmith on April 16, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
That's the piece Bob. The 2 mm x 2 mm to the left of the hammer. I looked to see if there is a visible pin that could be replaced easy enough, but could not see one. No sign of a screw either.

Perhaps someone out there can inform if they know how to cure a 2 mm x 2 mm thing to the left of the hammer that's loose.

Any info fellas?

I think we should start looking for an R9 gunsmith that can service these!  Are there any employees that have worked at the factory or independent gunsmiths with experience. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: JoshA on April 16, 2014, 04:44:53 PM
Not a bad idea.

Are there any recommended smiths out there that anyone would trust their R9 to? I would like to chat with someone who is knowledgable about my particular issue and perhaps send it to them for repair.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: tracker on April 16, 2014, 06:17:33 PM
I could be mistaken but I think the only R9 gunsmiths were at the Rohrbaugh factory. My gunsmith is one of the best and works on almost every pistol imaginable, primarily in smoothing trigger actions. He wouldn't touch an R9 and I would be very leery of an opportunistic gunsmith who doesn't have some factory training. It sounds like a good idea but not very practical, in my opinion. Also, gunsmiths need parts and the last time I checked there were no Rohrbaugh parts available at Brownells. The other thing is that it may void the warranty if and when the factory reopens.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: bobsmith on April 16, 2014, 06:41:38 PM

I could be mistaken but I think the only R9 gunsmiths were at the Rohrbaugh factory. My gunsmith is one of the best and works on almost every pistol imaginable, primarily in smoothing trigger actions. He wouldn't touch an R9 and I would be very leery of an opportunistic gunsmith who doesn't have some factory training. It sounds like a good idea but not very practical, in my opinion.


I wonder what the former employees have been doing the last 2 months?  Seems like a great opportunity to pick up a side business in addition to the UE check.  I would imagine some of the issues could be cured by any solid gunsmith who wanted to invest the time to become a bit of an expert.  Not just a factory guy. It's just a compact

They are really not that complicated of a design compared to others out there.  I think mine needs a stronger ejector spring (or new ejector) and AL's has a messed up trigger issue.  JoshA has a broke 2x2 thingy, needs an ejector rebuild, polished chamber, and a wrist brace for the operator.  It should be our anatomical donor unit to be honest. ;)  Just teasing! 

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: MRC on April 16, 2014, 07:47:17 PM
I could be mistaken but I think the only R9 gunsmiths were at the Rohrbaugh factory. My gunsmith is one of the best and works on almost every pistol imaginable, primarily in smoothing trigger actions. He wouldn't touch an R9 and I would be very leery of an opportunistic gunsmith who doesn't have some factory training. It sounds like a good idea but not very practical, in my opinion. Also, gunsmiths need parts and the last time I checked there were no Rohrbaugh parts available at Brownells. The other thing is that it may void the warranty if and when the factory reopens.

tracker makes some good points, but your options are limited.  I would take it to a "good" gunsmith and fill him in on the warranty and parts situation and see what he says.  They are really a very simple firearm.

A "good" gunsmith will give you his opinion before he starts and layout your options as he sees them.

Good luck.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: tracker on April 16, 2014, 10:48:55 PM
Good luck on finding the "good" gunsmith within driving distance of your hacienda. Otherwise, you will be shipping it FedEx or UPS overnight for the better part of two franklins round trip.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: JoshA on April 16, 2014, 11:06:10 PM
Sure wish I knew more on when the new shop would be opening for repairs. It would be a shame to spend 2-3 hunneys to get what the factory will hopefully do under warranty.

Hmm. Perhaps Duane will plead with them to give some kind of date they plan on opening the doors.

Just kidding Duane. Just getting a bit impatient is all. It will all work out I'm sure.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: bobsmith on April 16, 2014, 11:56:58 PM
Sure wish I knew more on when the new shop would be opening for repairs. It would be a shame to spend 2-3 hunneys to get what the factory will hopefully do under warranty.

Hmm. Perhaps Duane will plead with them to give some kind of date they plan on opening the doors.

Just kidding Duane. Just getting a bit impatient is all. It will all work out I'm sure.

I thought you got it 2nd hand and would therefore not be eligible to the aforementioned currently worthless factory warranty other less fortunate folks paid full retail price for.   That's a mouth full of questionable grammar. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: MRC on April 17, 2014, 07:34:26 AM
Good luck on finding the "good" gunsmith within driving distance of your hacienda. Otherwise, you will be shipping it FedEx or UPS overnight for the better part of two franklins round trip.

I guess I am lucky.  I have two Gunsmiths in my area that I consider "good".  Both know their limitations and can assess the limitations of the firearm they are asked to work on.  Both also have friends in the business that they consult with by phone before getting in too deep.

The R9 is not rocket science, but a very simple firearm.  Broken parts on the other hand are not simple.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: JoshA on April 17, 2014, 09:40:26 AM
Well that's somewhat debatable. I do have the original warranty card so I have hopes to receive the benefits of warranty service.

Bobby, you're a rebel kid. I think you enjoy the gripe. lol. Did your mom smack you around when you were a kid? Did kids steal your candy bars at lunch? Did you just get a kick out of wizzing in someone's Wheaties? I need to understand where you are coming from my friend. What makes you so negative about the sale and all? The lack of communication bothers me too. But we'll all get through it ok man. It's gonna be alright. Open up with me (and 1000 other people : ) don't take this rhetoric too seriously either. Just poking into the issue that keeps coming up.

 :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'( :o :-[ 8) :o ;D :) ;D ::) :o ??? ;) :o :-[ ;D :) 8)

Anyway you may be right. I may actually not get the warranty. I have heard a few different stories on this. Someone at the LGS told me (you know that means this is DEFINITELY FACT LOL) that almost all manufacturers are taking care of their guns mechanical flaws and failures even though the warranty states otherwise to keep law suits down. Obviously a failure of a catastrophic proportion would not be too good on someone's PR. However I don't really know. I haven't had too many warranty issues to deal with YET.

As for the local gun smith, I'm yet to have to had need for one. I guess I will make a call or two.





Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: bobsmith on April 17, 2014, 11:00:27 AM
Well that's somewhat debatable. I do have the original warranty card so I have hopes to receive the benefits of warranty service.

Bobby, you're a rebel kid. I think you enjoy the gripe. lol. Did your mom smack you around when you were a kid? Did kids steal your candy bars at lunch? Did you just get a kick out of wizzing in someone's Wheaties? I need to understand where you are coming from my friend. What makes you so negative about the sale and all? The lack of communication bothers me too. But we'll all get through it ok man. It's gonna be alright. Open up with me (and 1000 other people : ) don't take this rhetoric too seriously either. Just poking into the issue that keeps coming up.

 :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'( :o :-[ 8) :o ;D :) ;D ::) :o ??? ;) :o :-[ ;D :) 8)

Anyway you may be right. I may actually not get the warranty. I have heard a few different stories on this. Someone at the LGS told me (you know that means this is DEFINITELY FACT LOL) that almost all manufacturers are taking care of their guns mechanical flaws and failures even though the warranty states otherwise to keep law suits down. Obviously a failure of a catastrophic proportion would not be too good on someone's PR. However I don't really know. I haven't had too many warranty issues to deal with YET.

As for the local gun smith, I'm yet to have to had need for one. I guess I will make a call or two.

Ironiclly, just yesterday i took in a very nice speciallized bike with a huge crack in the steering tube. The bike shop that knows me by name and i walk past daily to get lunch said it would be covered for sure by the facotry under the lifetime frame warranty.  Awesome deal! 

Then he asked if i had the original reciept on me so they could start the process.   Nope!  So the nice aluminum frame will go in the scrap metal bin next trip to the dump. 

Here's a little photo for you Josh.








Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: JoshA on April 17, 2014, 12:17:18 PM
Well Bob do you feel that you have this view because when you were a child someone gave you a cup like this to ingest? Furthermore Bob how do you know which one is being the realist? Are you certain that's not Kool-Aid LOL.

It's pretty bad when there's nothing to talk about interesting enough to keep this kind of folly from precipitating.

Now I think we're both in trouble Bob  8)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: tracker on April 17, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
The last discussion on the forum that I recall about previously owned R9 warranty is that the new owner could ship it to the factory and the warranty would be updated, for a price. There was a charge of $100-150 plus shipping for this service but maybe Duane could clarify that previous policy. Everything now is subject to change, of course, and we don't have a good read on it. Still, I think I would wait to deal with the new Rohrbaugh, if possible. The only downside to the previous warranty update policy was that a Farmingdale could be converted to a Deerdale with the installation of a new slide,  for example, because the factory brought everything about the gun up to current spec. That happened to me, as an original owner, with a cracked slide on a Farmingdale. That initially upset me but now the gun is completely reliable and I wouldn't trade it or sell it because it is a carry weapon and not an investment/safe queen.

This original owner warranty restriction concept is not unique in the industry. Smith and Wesson has a rather inflexible stance on the original owner warranty restriction. They will sell or send parts, however.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: JoshA on April 17, 2014, 12:35:31 PM
Thanks for the insight tracker. This seems logical and I guess since mine is probably not a cracked frame I may be able to request no new frame without talking to me. The warranty fee seems fair as well if required.

I did not know that about Smith & Wesson. I heard they have been very liberal on their warranties, but that must be to original owners.

Thanks.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: tracker on April 17, 2014, 12:48:48 PM

Also, after just talking to my gunsmith he suggested that a knowledgeable gunsmith can polish the feed ramp and breech face to possibly address feeding, jamming, and extraction problems. If a new extractor or other part replacement is needed  then the problem couldn't be fixed with no parts available. If I were bobsmith I would have someone gently smooth the ramp and breech. It won't hurt and it might help.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: JoshA on April 17, 2014, 01:18:50 PM
If I were Bob Smith I would sell Josh A that Rohrbaugh he has for 500 bucks 😜 What do you say Bob?

That actually sounds like a very smart idea tracker. Bob actually mentioned that in a previous post that he was considering polishing his feed ramp and chamber (I think this is the right term), but I think he is too busy posting on this forum about how his Rohrbaugh doesn't work to actually fix it.

Come on Bob. You know that was funny.

By the way Bob I did get a new wrist brace designed for the R9 when I get it fixed. I actually can have the R9 bolted through my wrist bones in order to prevent any limp wristing. I will be posting them for sale on the classified section. They will require a "minor surgery" to install, but I'm expecting great sales.

Forget those wimpy pinky extensions.

Sorry guys. Too much coffee today. Guatamala Antigua made me do it.

I will do my best to behave now.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: bobsmith on April 17, 2014, 01:25:34 PM

Also, after just talking to my gunsmith he suggested that a knowledgeable gunsmith can polish the feed ramp and breech face to possibly address feeding, jamming, and extraction problems. If a new extractor or other part replacement is needed  then the problem couldn't be fixed with no parts available. If I were bobsmith I would have someone gently smooth the ramp and breech. It won't hurt and it might help.

Thanks for the great info.  I was thinking about having the chamber polished as there are some machining marks which concern me and since I have an extraction issue it seemed logical. Also, I wish we could stiffen the extractor spring. It's real weak.   I imagine I could have that done for about the cost of the fedex tab back to the factory by ANY decent gun smith.  I'm concerned it would be grounds for a warranty denial down the road, so I have held off until to see if a new company comes online. I also don't want to wear out my recoil spring tinkering with it. It has NEVER failed to feed a new cartridge.  It's always the same extraction failure.

I'm confident it will be resolved at some point, though the realist in me thinks it will be at my cost and effort. 

Josh, I'm not trying to be a jerk about it regarding your warranty.  I really hope they do it for you, but I wouldn't count on it.  If the company did sell to Para it doesn't look like they will cover it.  Was that the guess, I can't recall now?  Or was it Freedom Group?  Anyway, here is the first thread that came up on Para warranty work.   Lifetime warranty usually only applies to the original owner.  That's how they limit costs of repairing things and how long they will have liability for the expense of servicing guns. Think about S&W will all the millions of guns they have on the market and if anyone who picked up a beater 5906 from the 90s could send it back for free repairs.   

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=305372

"Any of the other manufactures will stand behind their product ... NOT Para Ordnance USA ... unless you are the signed and sealed original owner! What an easy way out of addressing a problem! My vote in the future will go to someone other than Para."

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: bobsmith on April 17, 2014, 01:31:14 PM
If I were Bob Smith I would sell Josh A that Rohrbaugh he has for 500 bucks 😜 What do you say Bob?

That actually sounds like a very smart idea tracker. Bob actually mentioned that in a previous post that he was considering polishing his feed ramp and chamber (I think this is the right term), but I think he is too busy posting on this forum about how his Rohrbaugh doesn't work to actually fix it.

Come on Bob. You know that was funny.

By the way Bob I did get a new wrist brace designed for the R9 when I get it fixed. I actually can have the R9 bolted through my wrist bones in order to prevent any limp wristing. I will be posting them for sale on the classified section. They will require a "minor surgery" to install, but I'm expecting great sales.

Forget those wimpy pinky extensions.

Sorry guys. Too much coffee today. Guatamala Antigua made me do it.

I will do my best to behave now.

Yeah.. I can get away with personal internet use at the office a little bit ( Alt-Tab rules).  Not sure about working on my pistol here though.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: JoshA on April 17, 2014, 01:46:35 PM
You're a good sport Bob. Thanks for not getting offended at my folly.

You make a lot of sense with your warranty talk, but perhaps I can receive a little remediation for this minor kerfuffle.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: tracker on April 17, 2014, 02:00:59 PM

I just recently talked to a S&W technician and he confirmed that they would only honor warranty work for the original registered buyer. I don't know about their past policy.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: JoshA on April 17, 2014, 02:33:20 PM
Thanks Tracker. Makes sense. That's all I can say. If someone sent in the original card with their name on it I wonder if they would honor it.

Also, for anyone interested in the Kimber solo I just posted pics of there internals after 1000 plus rounds here:

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7312.0

And for the record to all of the naysayers on this little production gun please note that the gun has functioned with 100% reliability when using 124, 147 and premium 115 even when doing a lot of one handed and one handed weak side training.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: bobsmith on April 17, 2014, 04:45:25 PM
Thanks Tracker. Makes sense. That's all I can say. If someone sent in the original card with their name on it I wonder if they would honor it.

Also, for anyone interested in the Kimber solo I just posted pics of there internals after 1000 plus rounds here:

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7312.0

And for the record to all of the naysayers on this little production gun please note that the gun has functioned with 100% reliability when using 124, 147 and premium 115 even when doing a lot of one handed and one handed weak side training.

Don't worry Josh.  It will be all good soon. They'll make an exception for you, and hook you up! You might get a new one actually.   So you'll save those franklins you're worried about.  I'll put my name on it:)

bob
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: JoshA on April 17, 2014, 04:48:35 PM
One can always hope Bob : )
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT
Post by: MRC on April 17, 2014, 07:54:04 PM
The last discussion on the forum that I recall about previously owned R9 warranty is that the new owner could ship it to the factory and the warranty would be updated, for a price. There was a charge of $100-150 plus shipping for this service but maybe Duane could clarify that previous policy. Everything now is subject to change, of course, and we don't have a good read on it. Still, I think I would wait to deal with the new Rohrbaugh, if possible. The only downside to the previous warranty update policy was that a Farmingdale could be converted to a Deerdale with the installation of a new slide,  for example, because the factory brought everything about the gun up to current spec. That happened to me, as an original owner, with a cracked slide on a Farmingdale. That initially upset me but now the gun is completely reliable and I wouldn't trade it or sell it because it is a carry weapon and not an investment/safe queen.

This original owner warranty restriction concept is not unique in the industry. Smith and Wesson has a rather inflexible stance on the original owner warranty restriction. They will sell or send parts, however.




I would bet a case of Gold Dots that there is a problem with all the Farmingdale Slides as so many have been replaced.  The Bren Tens had slides machined from castings and many had cracks,  The only way to determine which ones was to shoot it until it broke or X-ray the part.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: tracker on April 17, 2014, 08:21:12 PM

You would lose the case of Gold Dots; there were only a few, maybe 5, in the 500-700 S/N range that had slide cracks from a bad batch of bar stock. Many Farmingdales before and after that vintage have fired thousands of rounds without an issue. Broad generalizations can often be misguided and distort the facts.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: MRC on April 17, 2014, 09:03:07 PM
I have no proof, but I find that hard to believe.  That explanation probably came from the same source who told me this barrel is perfectly normal and all ours look like that.

Bad bar stock would be rare, my guess improper heat treatment.



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Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: tracker on April 17, 2014, 09:22:15 PM

You may find it hard to believe but that is one of the many good things about this forum; members are very willing to make their problems known to the rest of us. The low number of slide cracks came from reporting members here. Of course, there could be some cracked slides that weren't made known to us but that would also be in the single digit minority. I don't know who told you about the bad barrel lands being normal but it wasn't us on the forum. I agree wholeheartedly with you that the barrel quality on those guns was unacceptable. I can verify that all of the R9 barrels did not look like that. Again, generalizations can distort the facts.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: MRC on April 17, 2014, 09:28:42 PM
I was told that by Maria after I emailed the pictures to Eric. Eric told her to tell me that as the reason they would not replace the barrel.  I was told if the gun functions, why would I care.

I asked to talk to Eric and he did not want to talk to me.

This pistol did not function.  The second one is 100% reliable and the barrel looks nearly the same.  It also has made this pistol impossible to sell as I believe one needs to disclose any defects when selling a firearm.

That is why I do not believe every thing that comes from the factory.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: tracker on April 17, 2014, 09:40:55 PM

No disagreement with specific issues like this and I really don't like self-justification and denial of a problem. I have no intention of selling either one of mine and I didn't buy them for resale. There is no doubt that a gun in this price range should not have a rough barrel like yours. My only problem with your statements was for you to imply that all Farmingdales have bad slides and that all barrels are rough. As they say, all real estate is local.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: MRC on April 17, 2014, 10:15:34 PM
I was told that Rohrbaugh's barrels look like that and they would not replace mine as the replacement would probably look like that also.  This is not my statement but Eric's, so your beef is with him.

As far as the slides, there is no way of proving it one way or the other.  The bad bar stock story sounds very unlikely to me.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: tracker on April 17, 2014, 10:37:46 PM

I don't have any beef with them; my barrels were good and whether it is bad bar stock or improper heat treatment on the slides is irrelevant at this point; however, it is most certainly the case that not all Farmingdale slides were defective. All of this discussion is interesting but is hindsight and of little value in the future.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: MRC on April 18, 2014, 07:46:58 AM

                FUTURE???



If Eric says so, it must be so.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: heyjoe on April 18, 2014, 01:36:13 PM

I just recently talked to a S&W technician and he confirmed that they would only honor warranty work for the original registered buyer. I don't know about their past policy.

smith and wesson still honors warranty work for non original registered buyers every day of the week. the technician  you spoke to was wrong.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: DDGator on April 18, 2014, 01:51:41 PM

If this is true, this is a RADICAL change in S&W policy.  I have been to the factory twice, and spoken to them about this.  The do reserve the right to refuse warranty service to subsequent owners if they need to...  So if you are being a pain the butt and they can't make you happy, or whatever -- they have a legal ground to stand on.  Most manufacturers retain this "out." However, S&W routinely performs warranty service on pistols without ever inquirng if you are the original owner.


Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: tracker on April 18, 2014, 02:10:23 PM

It sounds like both are correct, depending on the mood of the CSA and the attitude of the gun owner. I suspect it worked that way at Rohrbaugh also because I heard it both ways in actuality. If they want you to go away they will state their policy. The tech I spoke to at S&W said he would send me some parts free of charge which he didn't anyway. He didn't ask if I were the original owner. It isn't a problem because I can purchase the parts at a reasonable price.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: JoshA on April 23, 2014, 11:42:57 PM
Well then I will hope for the best that I will be able to get warranty coverage extended on mine as long as I'm not a royal pain in the butt (too late I think : )

Well hopefully we will hear something soon as we are rolling up on 60 days I think.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: tracker on April 24, 2014, 10:44:55 AM

My observations regarding Rohrbaugh warranty practice and policy are past tense and probably subject to change with the alleged new ownership in place.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: JoshA on April 24, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Agreed and understood. Point well taken.

I believe they will be upstanding and likely will want to start off on a good foot with existing clientele. This is my opinion only based upon my understanding of what would make for "good business", but that doesn't necessarily mean diddley-squat.

Time will tell.

I'm trying to practice patience : ) practice, practice practice : )
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: JOHN PLOUGHMAN'S WISDOM : )
Post by: JoshA on April 24, 2014, 11:19:00 AM
Speaking of patience...

"An ounce of patience is better than a pound of brains. If we cannot get bacon let us still bless God there are still some cabbages in the garden"... John Ploughman  ;D
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: JOHN PLOUGHMAN'S WISDOM : )
Post by: DDGator on April 24, 2014, 01:18:58 PM
I think there is no question the new owner will stand behind its contractual warranty obligations.  How much "MORE" they will do remains to be seen, I guess.  Most gun companies are pretty good about this though.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring Bob Smith's psyc session
Post by: DDGator on April 25, 2014, 10:53:14 AM
I was told that by Maria after I emailed the pictures to Eric. Eric told her to tell me that as the reason they would not replace the barrel.  I was told if the gun functions, why would I care.

I asked to talk to Eric and he did not want to talk to me.

This pistol did not function.  The second one is 100% reliable and the barrel looks nearly the same.  It also has made this pistol impossible to sell as I believe one needs to disclose any defects when selling a firearm.

That is why I do not believe every thing that comes from the factory.

I talked to Eric about this.  He said there was a period of time that their barrels were not being produced to the quality they would have liked, but the barrels were well within acceptable tolerances in the industry and that was all the stock they had.  Eric says the barrel quality was comparable to his personal Colt Commander, in his opinion.   Part of the problem with producing a gun like the R-9 is finding a barrel supplier that will produce such limited quantities of barrels.  They struggled with parts issues and suppliers from time to time.

There was time when company policy was that Eric was not speaking to customers and information was going through Maria.  Eric says he never refused to talk to a customer when he was available and permitted to do so by company policy.

Regardless, I guess all of this is ancient history at this point.  Barrells will be coming from a different source, customer service will be handled by a much larger company, and speaking to one of the owners of the company won't even be a possiblity...   ;)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: JOHN PLOUGHMAN'S WISDOM : )
Post by: MRC on April 25, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
I collect Colts of all types, mostly Gold Cups and I have over 50 at least.

Believe me, Colt would not have used this barrel.


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Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE BATTLE OF THE BARREL : )
Post by: JoshA on April 28, 2014, 07:52:58 PM
Hopefully the barrels will be improved going forward.

Hopefully you have time to shoot all of your Gold cups MRC. If not please feel free to send a couple my way : ) I like .45 ACP

What's with the attraction to the colt gold cup anyway?

How many pistols do you two have? Wow!

Sounds like an awful lot of know how in each dept IMO.

How about those pacers?   8)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE BATTLE OF THE BARREL : )
Post by: JoshA on May 02, 2014, 10:24:43 PM
Any news about the factory opening?

Working on 90 days now : )

I'd like to get the R9 back in action. I did leave a message the last week and informed them I had a warranty issue for the first time. I thought maybe they would call back, but nope. They make it sound like they are monitoring voice mail and emails, yet no response.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  ???

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE BATTLE OF THE BARREL : )
Post by: DDGator on May 02, 2014, 10:48:14 PM

Well, it's been more than 90 days, but who is counting?   ;)

There is nothing new.  However, since the circumstantial evidence seems to indicate that Rohrbaugh was purchased by the Freedom Group, you should find that encouraging.  There is no reason for a company like Freedom Group to buy a company just to let it die...  They clearly have plans for the brand.  I hope will will hear something official soon.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE BATTLE OF THE BARREL : )
Post by: C0untZer0 on May 02, 2014, 11:07:16 PM
Ya, I am starting to freak out about springs.

I only have one spring.

I should have bought a bunch of them along with the pistol, but I didn't.

I also have this theory that a used R9 spring - like around 200 rounds could be used to shoot 105gr and 115gr cartridges, especially soft shooting ones like the Blazzer Brass.

Next time I am not going to throw away my recoil spring when it gets to 200 rounds.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE BATTLE OF THE BARREL : )
Post by: tracker on May 02, 2014, 11:23:06 PM
The Freedom group was owned by Cerberus and now it seems to have been renamed Remington USA or something like that. Apparently, the Newtown massacre played a role in the beach blanket bingo and three card monte with the corporate name juggling. I can't find that the Freedom Group name still exists as the alleged buyer of Rohrbaugh. Until something concrete is announced I don't find anything encouraging since we as R9 owners are dead in the water and dropped in the grease without parts, C/S, or springs. The tolerance for the alleged legal confidentiality is close to the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE BATTLE OF THE BARREL : )
Post by: DDGator on May 03, 2014, 12:03:39 AM

Para USA, to be more accurate.  Under the Remington ownership umbrella.   The evidence seems fairly conclusive. 

However, there is nothing alleged about the confidentiality issues.  That is directly from a party to the agreement. 

I understand the delay is not giving anyone warm and fuzzy feelings.  However, I think this is also not unusual when this Remington ownership group takes over a new company.



Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE BATTLE OF THE BARREL : )
Post by: tracker on May 03, 2014, 10:10:55 AM

To be more accurate the former Freedom Group is now named The Remington Outdoor Company. The Remington Outdoor Company owns Para USA and everything else that was controlled by the Freedom Group.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE BATTLE OF THE BARREL : )
Post by: C0untZer0 on May 03, 2014, 11:42:25 AM
Blah blah blah...

who's gonna make my springs?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE BATTLE OF THE BARREL : )
Post by: tracker on May 03, 2014, 11:43:59 AM
I think we know "who" but not "when;" if something doesn't happen soon the R9 will be the world's finest paper weight.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: JoshA on May 04, 2014, 12:43:04 AM
I think they can certainly understand our plight Duane. Could you ask them to simply open a simple storehouse for springs and other misc parts? Seems simple enough if the word got the right mind it's obvious and an easy fix. They already have multiple gun companies operating.

Simply sell it through one of them if nothing  else until the real deal gets open. Worst case scenario fix for the issue at hand.

Pass the word we need some springs etc please Duane.

Thanks.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE BATTLE OF THE BARREL : )
Post by: MRC on May 04, 2014, 08:27:01 AM

Well, it's been more than 90 days, but who is counting?   ;)

There is nothing new.  However, since the circumstantial evidence seems to indicate that Rohrbaugh was purchased by the Freedom Group, you should find that encouraging.  There is no reason for a company like Freedom Group to buy a company just to let it die...  They clearly have plans for the brand.  I hope will will hear something official soon.

I have to agree that they have no reason to let the brand die, but they are literally smothering the life out of it with their silence about the acquisition, if there really is one in progress.

A sorry way to start a new chapter  for Rohrbaugh in my opinion.  This can do nothing but chase old customers away and discourage new ones from trying their product.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: tracker on May 04, 2014, 12:03:06 PM

A confidentiality agreement does not have to result in total dysfunctionality beyond a reasonable time period. For example, Remington could place an order for R9 springs with Wolff Springs and not necessarily violate the agreement; unless there is another agenda.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: MRC on May 04, 2014, 12:41:51 PM
I totally agree tracker

It certainly appears, to me anyway, that the negotiations are not just between Rohrbaugh and Remington.  There must be at least one and probably several others or more with a stake in this.  Otherwise it would be a done deal and Rohrbaugh would be up and running with barely a noticeable pause in production.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: JoshA on May 04, 2014, 01:42:47 PM
I would have to say this is an atypical buy out.

Usually I believe the idea is to buy and take over without hiccups and hitches and communication glitches in the business world.

Perhaps it is a normal process for this group and the way they have taken over other companies though. There is a lot of tolerance it seems in the gun industry. I have so many brands it's not funny. Even of a couple of makers that I really don't prefer, but because they fill a niche I buy anyway. Will I sell my R9 because of this? Nope. I don't like Taurus, but I keep a judge. Not a huge S&W auto fan, but have a shield and don't really prefer Keltech, but have a KSG.  I suppose you all have similar situations, so are they doing this just because they can or is there more going on behind the scenes that we can't know?

I guess only time will tell and in the end this musing won't change a thing unless Duane can make a call and request a small favor for all of the old R9 lovers/ users.

Can you please request this small favor Duane?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: MRC on May 04, 2014, 01:57:39 PM
Cerberus Capital Management is the owner of The Freedom Group or Remington.

When they bought Chrysler from Daimler, I bet they did not shut down the phone lines for three or four months.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: tracker on May 04, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
I don't think Cerberus owns the Freedom Group anymore which was reorganized into the Remington Outdoor Company and who is now the principle and owner of the numerous firearms and ammunition manufacturers.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/cerberus-to-sell-gunmaker-freedom-group/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: MRC on May 04, 2014, 02:34:16 PM
I don't think Cerberus owns the Freedom Group anymore which was reorganized into the Remington Outdoor Company and who is now the principle and owner of the numerous firearms and ammunition manufacturers.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/cerberus-to-sell-gunmaker-freedom-group/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

That was shortly after Sandy Hook and I do not think a sale ever went through.

Here is Wikipedia which says it is still owned by Cerberus.  I would think if the sale was made, someone would have changed the entry and also I have not read anything in the trade magazines about a sale.  That would be big news.


   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Group


Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: tracker on May 04, 2014, 02:49:55 PM

Maybe they had a confidentiality agreement and can't disclose the sale. The primary reason I think Cerberus divested was the name change to Remington but it all seems quite mysterious in nature.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: JoshA on May 04, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
Mystique or annoyance?

Or both?

L😁L
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: MRC on May 04, 2014, 06:30:46 PM

Maybe they had a confidentiality agreement and can't disclose the sale. The primary reason I think Cerberus divested was the name change to Remington but it all seems quite mysterious in nature.

I had read an article about The Freedom Group and it sounded like they were trying to spin the Bushmaster facility off to some employees after Sandy Hook.  It also said that they were changing the name as the name Remington is so widely know and highly respected.  It really is considered their "Flagship Franchise".  Again, trying to distance itself from Sandy Hook.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: tracker on May 04, 2014, 07:01:12 PM
Bushmaster Firearms was moved to Madison, NC when Freedom acquired them; the former employees of Bushmaster founded Windham Weaponry and stayed in Windham, Me. Windham Weaponry continues to produce high quality ARs. Cerberus could have divested the Freedom Group and maybe it has been reorganized as the Remington Outdoors Company. Steven Feinberg, the principle of Cerberus, lives in NYC and Greenwich, CT and could have felt considerable pressure to divest after Sandy Hook or at the very least change the name if not the game.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring: THE PARTS/SPRINGS DELEMA : )
Post by: DDGator on May 04, 2014, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: JoshA link=topic=7298.msg82476#msg82476 date=1399225367

Can you please request this small favor Duane?
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I can ask Eric, but they are not in control of this stuff at this point.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:THE PARTS/SPRINGS DILEMMA : )
Post by: JoshA on May 05, 2014, 06:57:26 AM
Thanks Duane.

I understand they aren't in control, but perhaps it would be a thing of someone with a passion for his product/invention and a desire to take care of his loyal followers could persuade the powers that be to help some guys out with some springs etc. It would be a small favor kind of thing    : )

Thanks for being willing to ask Duane.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:THE PARTS/SPRINGS DILEMMA : )
Post by: DDGator on May 05, 2014, 10:00:05 AM

I know that Karl and Eric are always concerned about their customers.  Unfortunately, we are not technically their customers anymore.  We are someone else's customers, and there is only so much that one person can undertake with their new employer, right?  I think we all can understand that.

Eric told me that he is going to Pineville next week and he will address the parts availability issue with the new management.  No promises of course, because it is not his call.  However, it will at least be discussed.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:THE PARTS/SPRINGS DILEMMA : )
Post by: JoshA on May 05, 2014, 10:36:09 AM
That is awesome sir. Thank you very much.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:THE PARTS/SPRINGS DILEMMA : )
Post by: DDGator on May 05, 2014, 11:26:02 AM


Important new info here:  http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7356.0 (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7356.0)

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:THE PARTS/SPRINGS DILEMMA : )
Post by: JoshA on May 05, 2014, 02:24:10 PM
Quote...

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New Address and Phone Number for Rohrbaugh -- Remington Arms Company
« Reply #1 on: Today at 11:24:11 AM »
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All,

Here is some new information.  Rohrbaugh's new address for correspondence is:

Daniel Cox
Rohrbaugh Firearms
870 Remington Drive
Madison, NC  27025

And their new phone number is:  855-774-0012

Currently, there is a recording on the phone number.  The message confirms that the Long Island, New York office is closed, and they are reclocating to a new location.  During this time, they are not staffing the phone lines.  However, they are accepting voice mail messages, which will be checked.

During the transition, it is not possible to order "pistols, magazines or accessories."  They expect to begin producing pistols again later this summer.

However, they are setting up a process for warranty repair of Rohrbaugh pistols.  There will be more information on May 12th regarding this process.

The official Rohrbaugh website is expected to be updated soon.

The information does not specifically state that Remington Outdoor Group purchased the company, but the contact address is identified on Google as "Remington Arms Company."  Furthermore, Daniel Cox is listed on LinkedIn as the Handguns Product Manager at Remington Arms.

So, it appears that progress is being made,Remington plans to commence warranty repairs in the near future, and that more information will be available in about a  week.  The information does not specifically address the sale of parts, but we can hope that will be addressed in the forthcoming announcement.

...This is GREAT. Thanks.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:NEW WARRANTY & ADDRESS & #
Post by: JoshA on May 06, 2014, 11:28:28 AM
I left a message here yesterday in regards to my warranty. If I don't hear back its cool because the message says they will have warranty stuff working by the 12th. So worst case I can call back then!!

Oh yeah! ;D

Looks like the conspiracy theory is gonna have to take a back seat. Rats! I always enjoy a good conspiracy theory. Lol.  8)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:NEW WARRANTY & ADDRESS & #
Post by: tracker on May 06, 2014, 12:02:45 PM

It is amazing how quickly the new company stepped forward after a few concerns and constructive criticisms were voiced recently on this forum.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:NEW WARRANTY & ADDRESS & #
Post by: Svarog on May 06, 2014, 12:13:10 PM
I left a message here yesterday in regards to my warranty. If I don't hear back its cool because the message says they will have warranty stuff working by the 12th. 
keep us update plz )
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:NEW WARRANTY & ADDRESS & #
Post by: DDGator on May 06, 2014, 12:24:46 PM
the message says they will have warranty stuff working by the 12th. So worst case I can call back then!!


Well...it says there will be updated information by then.   ;)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:NEW WARRANTY & ADDRESS & #
Post by: JoshA on May 06, 2014, 12:31:16 PM

It is amazing how quickly the new company stepped forward after a few concerns and constructive criticisms were voiced recently on this forum.

Could have been coincidence : ) never know. If not, thanks for passing the word to the right ear Duane ... Or whoever
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:NEW WARRANTY & ADDRESS & #
Post by: JoshA on May 06, 2014, 12:32:26 PM
the message says they will have warranty stuff working by the 12th. So worst case I can call back then!!


Well...it says there will be updated information by then.   ;)

This is correct. Thanks.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:NEW WARRANTY & ADDRESS & #
Post by: JoshA on May 14, 2014, 04:00:47 PM
Well I didn't want to say something on the 12th when I was let down by the same VM that says to check in on the 12th, but now that it's the 14th and they still haven't updated the VM I could say that I'm slightly let down to hear I need to check in on the 12th to get updated warranty info for my broken R9 that I've been waiting for for months after having the barest of second hand communications. Interesting.

Positive side: I'm sure this is a detail that we are close to getting resolution for. We are closer than ever and I'm reasonable sure that they will get on the ball soon.

Negative side: I think this is an insight into the mind(s) of the individuals working in the large company atmosphere that are not held accountable to themselves or others for their impotence. This is more of the same that we have experience over the last 3 months except now it appears we know who "to blame". Whoever is spearheading this probably has 50 million irons in the fire and this doesn't seem like its über high on his list of priorities.

I may be wrong in my diagnostics; however I am adding one more "really?😣" to my list. After so many you start to paint a picture of the guy on the other end of the dealing. Right or wrong.

So hopefully he will get that warranty info out there soon.

Also, I did leave a message with no reply still.

I'm still hopeful. Just a bit dejected at the moment.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:NEW WARRANTY & ADDRESS & #
Post by: DDGator on May 14, 2014, 10:25:11 PM

A couple days late, but here is your "update" -- which is all that was promised:

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7363.0 (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7363.0)

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:NEW WARRANTY & ADDRESS & #
Post by: JoshA on May 15, 2014, 04:56:18 PM
Thanks for the update Duane, but Rohrbaugh's voice mail says they will provide an update and they still Aren't communicating up to par (par being, the norm in the business world. I.e. Do what you say, say what you do kind of thing.)

Let me be clear, my beef is kinda with the new company and their Laissez-faire attitude. Not with you in the least Duane.  I mean what multi million dollar company puts a voice mail stating they will give a update on warranty info on the 12th And to check back then, but doesn't update the VM with any new info at all? The VM still says to check back on the 12th. Just more of the same exact kind of stuff that got me a case of heartburn in the first place.

That all being said large and mid sized companies work best with processes and systems in place. They don't have one yet for the Rohrbaugh line, so I'm sure patience is the needed ingredient.

Oh brother! Do I STILL need to be patient? Lol. That's my brand of patience. Looks like I need some improvement here.

Well i guess if I like beef I should go on the Adkins diet rather than always having a beef with this new company. I'm sure this too shall pass. 

 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:MAY I HAVE A DRUMROLL PLEASE😎
Post by: JoshA on May 19, 2014, 12:27:00 PM
Well even though I think the communication process has been absolutely unexpected and somewhat disappointing, I am eagerly awaiting the forecasted warranty set up date.

So I think a drumroll would be in order.

Sounds like the factory is to have a warranty process in place by may 28th (see Duane's post if you have not yet), and I for one am rather intrigued to see how it goes off.

I'm hoping for the best and will look forward to being able to communicate with someone on a topic that has been somewhat aggravating for a while now...my poorly performing and now broken $1150 R9. I want to see what all the rave is about. As previously stated, I love everything about the gun except for the lack of reliability to fire 100%. 

Anticipating forward motion.

So until May 28th or sooner if the warranty process is established before then. I wait with bated breath...
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:MAY I HAVE A DRUMROLL PLEASE😎
Post by: JoshA on May 27, 2014, 11:22:44 AM
Wow I can't believe its just one day away from the 28th (2 weeks since the announcement of the phones to go live in 2 weeks). Finally here tomorrow. I eagerly await the ability to get to chat with someone and get the repairs started. I'll update tomorrow.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:MAY I HAVE A DRUMROLL PLEASE😎
Post by: tracker on May 27, 2014, 12:00:38 PM

Duane said, "the exact date is still not known but will be announced here." I wouldn't stay awake all night tonight waiting for the announcement tomorrow.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:MAY I HAVE A DRUMROLL PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on May 27, 2014, 01:53:05 PM

I think Josh is being sarcastic... although I am not sure.  ::) I haven't heard anyting specific yet.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:MAY I HAVE A DRUMROLL PLEASE😎
Post by: JoshA on May 27, 2014, 03:57:31 PM
I was hoping for a 12:01 AM announcement : ) just kidding

Actually I read it to say that they would have someone answering the phones within two weeks and he wasn't sure of the exact date, and I am excited to finally be at the end of the waiting game. Other than waiting there isn't much I mind about being patient.

Since Duane hasn't heard anything yet I am tempted to interpret that to mean we have some more inaccurate,  sub par (par would be "say what you do and do what you say" in most all of our business worlds)  info going on from the powers that be at the new company; however I remain hopeful that this is not the case and that they will have the phones open tomorrow.

Hoping for the best.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:MAY I HAVE A DRUMROLL PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on May 27, 2014, 04:22:47 PM

I believe that the two weeks was an informed guestimate, and I would be surprised if it turned out to be an exact number.  I was hoping maybe today would have been the day.

Remington/Para have had their hands full lately, including a fire at the Pineville facility.  Not making excuses -- just saying.  I think these phones should have been answered long ago, but they didn't ask me.   ;)

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT/ also featuring:MAY I HAVE A DRUMROLL PLEASE😎
Post by: bobsmith on May 27, 2014, 05:29:07 PM
I was hoping for a 12:01 AM announcement : ) just kidding

Actually I read it to say that they would have someone answering the phones within two weeks and he wasn't sure of the exact date, and I am excited to finally be at the end of the waiting game. Other than waiting there isn't much I mind about being patient.

Since Duane hasn't heard anything yet I am tempted to interpret that to mean we have some more inaccurate,  sub par (par would be "say what you do and do what you say in most all of our business worlds)  info going on from the powers that be at the new company; however I remain hopeful that this is not the case and that they will have the phones open tomorrow.

Hoping for the best.

You will be acknowledged only when they are ready to acknowledge you.  There is no exact date or timeline for this process and your needs or rights as a consumer are not a factor.  It will be done when it's done, and no sooner shall it be done, or shall you be provided exact information.

Accept this and you will have peace in your life.   
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: JoshA on June 01, 2014, 11:25:55 PM
WARNING: This post may contain controversial language that may be offensive if you only want to hear and read positive comments about the new owner of the Rohrbaugh line. Real life and real feelings are being represented here in the opinion of the individual posting. If you have an aversion to anything negative being said about anything connected to Rohrbaugh please DO NOT READ THIS POST.

Lol. I hate it when someone negative is right. I want to have better faith in a company I have a financial interest in Bob, but the facts don't lie.

So what you are saying is to stop caring and then I can have peace about whether or not they are feeding Duane a line or no line at all eh? I guess. Seems like there aren't many other thoughts to come up with after being ignored and misinformed for this long. Just forget about it and let happen what will. Apparently there is nothing any if us can do to affect them to care whatsoever. Not even Duane can motivate them it seems. Looks like they are now just a super gigantic conglomerate that doesn't care about their customers enough to even make a phone call to a guy who has left multiple voice mails and a couple emails or update a voice mail when they said they will on May 12th.

It's really pathetic IMO. I won't spend any more money with em if I can help it. Nope. I won't buy any of their other guns either. I would have a serious talk with the joker who left that joke of a voice mail about the 12th if I was his boss. RIDICULOUS.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: Svarog on June 02, 2014, 06:56:08 AM
This is getting way out of line now. I start losing my patience also. I think it doesn't matter either you bought the company or sold the company or relocate the company ,the service department or their store at the least should stay open and provide this service to their clients. At least they could sell those small parts such as screws or springs or mags etc. for the firearm. I'm not talking about major repairs.  And now after all this time of silence its getting unprofessional. I don't want to be negative , I love my R9, but gosh ,their service could be much better during all this time of relocation.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: bobsmith on June 02, 2014, 12:15:12 PM
I really prefer the term realist to negative.  These are the people who have new guns out there that are DOA and had issued RMAs only to refuse them 10 days down the road when they showed up at the factory.  You'd think the powers that be could have at least figured out how to deal with active warranty claims, or the prior owners could have cared enough to make it right before they jumped off the ship.  They've told their customers for 4 months to just leave them alone and have essentially hidden behind a sales contract and one "representative" of sorts.   I known Duane is just caught in the middle of this as the only one they have talked to.  I don't have any beef with Duane for forwarding information he has received, but I really have an issue with both new and former Rohrbaugh management. 

It's totally infuriating.   
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: Svarog on June 02, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
Yes I agree with that. I also would like to add that if they can't speak about buying out deal or relocation deal, whatever it is, that's fine by me. That's not my business. That's their business, but also their business is to keep their clients happy and  satisfied while they are in the middle of relocation , restructuring  or renewal of business . And I don't see or feel that. As a matter of fact I called them so many times ,I send them emails so many times with no response at all and now I feel that I've been dumped ,left ,with the $1500 firearm that I can't shoot. And many people paid twice as much as I did for their firearms. This is just not fair to all of us and it's totally wrong.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: DDGator on June 02, 2014, 04:26:08 PM
and have essentially hidden behind a sales contract and one "representative" of sorts. 

Just to be clear -- no one from the new Rohrbaugh has talked to me.  I'm just a clearinghouse for information from a lot of different sources.  When people all over the industry hear something, they drop me an e-mail and I report what I can.  I've also called the phone number and heard the recordings, and I have done some "googling" and reviews of publicly available information.  That is it.

There is no representative of the new company that has made any statement beyond the phone message.  However, they certainly aren't using their sale agreement as an excuse not to talk to their customers--they are the buyers and can do whatever they want.  They just are not saying anything to anyone publicly.  Why they are not talking to their customers, I don't pretend to know.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: Svarog on June 02, 2014, 04:28:43 PM


Just to be clear -- no one from the new Rohrbaugh has talked to me.  I'm just a clearinghouse for information from a lot of different sources.  When people all over the industry hear something, they drop me an e-mail and I report what I can.  I've also called the phone number and heard the recordings, and I have done some "googling" and reviews of publicly available information.  That is it.

There is no representative of the new company that has made any statement beyond the phone message.  However, they certainly aren't using their sale agreement as an excuse not to talk to their customers--they are the buyers and can do whatever they want.  They just are not saying anything to anyone publicly.  Why they are not talking to their customers, I don't pretend to know.
+1
Title: Waiting
Post by: C0untZer0 on June 02, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
I put a self-imposed moratorium on practicing with my R9, I only have 1 spring.

When I was looking to pick up a second pistol, my first thought was to get another R9, but actually - I couldn't get another R9, at least not from the factory. 

Part of the reason I purchased a CM9 was because it was so cheap but part of the reason was because of the uncertainty surrounding Rohrbaugh right now.

If I was sure that the new production facilities were going to be up and running in a certain amount of time and the new R9s were going to be high quality pistols backed with the same lifetime guarantee, then I probably would have passed on getting a CM9 and waited to purchase another R9 - but I didn't have that certainty.
Title: The R9
Post by: C0untZer0 on June 02, 2014, 04:39:01 PM
When I was initially in the market for a small 9mm pocket pistol - the actual R9 owners were the Rohrbaughs best salesmen.

I used to recommend the R9 on all the gun forums I participate in, with the caveat that the pistol is expensive.  I always told people that I thought the cost was worth it.  I could recommend the R9 because mine worked and my impression was that in general the company stood behind its product.

For most R9 owners I think there was goodwill toward the company, but I think that goodwill has been blown away.

They may stand behind their warranties, they may provide great customer service in the future, but I can't recommend that anyone purchase a Rohrbaugh - how could I make such a recommendation with the way things have been handled and the current situation?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: bobsmith on June 02, 2014, 04:48:04 PM
and have essentially hidden behind a sales contract and one "representative" of sorts. 

Just to be clear -- no one from the new Rohrbaugh has talked to me.  I'm just a clearinghouse for information from a lot of different sources.  When people all over the industry hear something, they drop me an e-mail and I report what I can.  I've also called the phone number and heard the recordings, and I have done some "googling" and reviews of publicly available information.  That is it.

There is no representative of the new company that has made any statement beyond the phone message.  However, they certainly aren't using their sale agreement as an excuse not to talk to their customers--they are the buyers and can do whatever they want.  They just are not saying anything to anyone publicly.  Why they are not talking to their customers, I don't pretend to know.

I understand you're just the messenger.  I also feel they ( The Original Owners) had a fiduciary duty to the customers who had purchased their products under the representations of the warranty they offered.  I know you feel obligated to defend them for various reason, but I just don't. 

Anyway.... I'll check back in a month and see if anything exciting has transpired.  Nothing has changed for me in six months.  I've still got a jamo-matic and can't get a word back form Rohrmington.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: JoshA on June 02, 2014, 04:54:12 PM
and have essentially hidden behind a sales contract and one "representative" of sorts. 

Just to be clear -- no one from the new Rohrbaugh has talked to me.  I'm just a clearinghouse for information from a lot of different sources.  When people all over the industry hear something, they drop me an e-mail and I report what I can.  I've also called the phone number and heard the recordings, and I have done some "googling" and reviews of publicly available information.  That is it.

There is no representative of the new company that has made any statement beyond the phone message.  However, they certainly aren't using their sale agreement as an excuse not to talk to their customers--they are the buyers and can do whatever they want.  They just are not saying anything to anyone publicly.  Why they are not talking to their customers, I don't pretend to know.

I don't think their is a soul out there that is blaming Duane for anything at all. Duane has reported what he knows and we all get that.

Shame on them for taking a dump on the guy heading up the best forum in the entire world about the product line they bought by not giving him ANY info at all.

Again beyond belief IMO. Just flat irresponsible.

If I were more than a wanna-be R9 lover I would be livid. As it is I'm annoyed about this patheticly irresponsible handling of a companies affairs. Annoyed. This is why people lose their jobs and we ship our business outside of the USA. Because people don't do their jobs in a way that is sensible and it costs thousands of thousands of dollars and before long the owners say, forget you people. You're lazy slobs. Out of the country I go. Or they fold up shop.

Only my opinions now based on what i imagine going on behind the scene.

If I am wrong I invite someone to correct me with reality. Please correct this thinking pattern if you have the ability to do so logically. What reasonable excuse could you offer to a voice mail that FINALLY was put in place that says to check back on May 12 and it is now June 2 with the same lame recording? Laughable!! I suppose that they didn't say which year it would be.

Or the only other thing I can imagine possible is that with the consolidation going on a more important task was placed on the individual responsible for the recording. Or perhaps he was fired during the consolidation.

I don't know. Seems like if there is something really good going on you better get while the getting is good because it surely won't last. Sounds like Rohrbaugh is virtually a thing of the past as far as the customer care and service and a mom and pop competent company is concerned.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: bobsmith on June 02, 2014, 04:56:44 PM
Josh:

I post this with no intention to offend or appear to be pretentious.

1. You purchased a used R9.  Only God and the previous owner know what if any abuse was inflicted on your copy of the finest pocket pistol ever produced.

2.  I do not purport to know the grip you have used in firing your R9, but I can assure you that anything less than a firm platform (some call it "limp wristing") to absorb the recoil force of a 13-ounce pistol chambered for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge will result in FTEs, FTFs, and who the hell knows what else of a disappointing nature. 

3.  I have the 32nd R9 sold to the public, and it has never malfunctioned for me in nearly a decade of ownership and regular use (fortunately, only at the range and not in self-defense).

4.  There have been thousands of R9s produced since I took delivery of mine.  A very few have malfunctioned, mainly due to poor maintenance, neglect, or abuse from owners who expected the smallest and lightest 9mm pistol ever produced to function like some polymer gun that you could  clean by removing the slide and placing it along with the grip and receiver in the top shelf of your kitchen dishwasher.  To paraphrase posts from two of our Forum's early members, "Plastic's got no soul," and, "The R9 is the weapon of a gentleman, not that of a plowman."

5.  If you have a recurring problem with your R9, the factory will make it right.  Just be assured that complaints about the R9 are rare -- extremely rare -- compared to the thousands of pistols that are out there, functioning as they are designed to do.  Criticisms of this pistol from those who do not understand it have become a pet peeve of mine.  The R9 is approaching the status of a "cult pistol."  It deserves total respect.  Since the moment when I experienced an epiphany on my personal "Road to Damascus" at SHOT 2002 and got in line for one of the first Rohrbaugh R9s, I have never looked back.  In my pocket as I type this post is the R9 bearing serial number "132" (no "R" prefix) -- a pistol that has been my EDC since I took delivery of it in May 2004.

_____

Addendum:

Aside from the Cold War, I've been around the track a bit overseas.  I've been present during one so-called "people's revolution" in Haiti; I've sifted through  the charred remains of our Embassy in Pakistan; I've managed (by the Grace of a Benevolent God) to escape captivity in the First Liberian Civil War; and I've seen my then-existence go up in flames and violent personal abuse during a military coup d'état in Nigeria.  The one thing I wish I had been fortunate enough to have in all of those, and many more, situations in my past would have been a Rohrbaugh R9 in my pocket.  But it was not until 2004 that mankind was finally blessed with the first truly concealable pocket pistol chambered for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge.

In my seventh decade of life, my eyes grow dimmer, my enemies (those still alive) grow older, and my reflexes grow slower.  However, I finally have the perfect pocket pistol.

Now . . . if I could only turn back the unforgiving hands of time . . . .

Oh for gosh sakes.  This is your response to about anyone who isn't happy with the products.  Did you re-type this, or just cut and paste it from another thread?  I can almost type it for you by now: 

1) Used gun, been abused to death by a gorilla shooting +p+ for years.

2) This is the worlds best gun and there are no problems ever.

3)  It's your weak grip.

4) Suck it up.  This is nothing compared to hanlow POW camp.


We all know you love the gun, but let's be realistic here.  Do you really think that the only messed up ones are from user abuse? If it was so amazing why have they only been selling a few hundred a year.

Why do I come here to read this nonsense?



Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: DDGator on June 02, 2014, 05:45:38 PM
  I also feel they ( The Original Owners) had a fiduciary duty to the customers who had purchased their products under the representations of the warranty they offered. 

This is where we part ways.  You sell a company to a very solvent leader of the industry.  By definition, the customers and the obligations to the customers are not yours anymore.  Period.  Someone else has the legal responsibility.  I don't see any obligation, legal or ethical, on the sellers to do anything once the company is sold.  In fact, they CAN'T do anything.

Eventually we will get the whole story, but I don't assume that the owners sold the company to cash out at the peak of its value and retire to the south of  France, do you?  Perhaps there were reasons the company had to be sold.  I can't blame the previous owners one bit for what is happening now.  I can assure you that they did not see this coming.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: MRC on June 02, 2014, 07:14:32 PM
  I also feel they ( The Original Owners) had a fiduciary duty to the customers who had purchased their products under the representations of the warranty they offered. 

This is where we part ways.  You sell a company to a very solvent leader of the industry.  By definition, the customers and the obligations to the customers are not yours anymore.  Period.  Someone else has the legal responsibility.  I don't see any obligation, legal or ethical, on the sellers to do anything once the company is sold.  In fact, they CAN'T do anything.

Eventually we will get the whole story, but I don't assume that the owners sold the company to cash out at the peak of its value and retire to the south of  France, do you?  Perhaps there were reasons the company had to be sold.  I can't blame the previous owners one bit for what is happening now.  I can assure you that they did not see this coming.


Duane, earlier you said that the "Buyer" purchased the Rohrbaugh Company and not the Rohrbaugh Company's assets.

If that is true than they do, I would think,  have some warranty obligations unless the person, company or whom ever is doing the selling let them out of that obligation.

I still do not believe that the Rohrbaughs are the one's doing the selling.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: the_skunk on June 02, 2014, 08:19:40 PM
 
It's totally infuriating.

With today's ability to 'google' anything, p*ssed  off customers should be a real concern. Especially with a $1,500 self defensew gun
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: DDGator on June 02, 2014, 08:28:21 PM


Duane, earlier you said that the "Buyer" purchased the Rohrbaugh Company and not the Rohrbaugh Company's assets.

If that is true than they do, I would think,  have some warranty obligations unless the person, company or whom ever is doing the selling let them out of that obligation.

I still do not believe that the Rohrbaughs are the one's doing the selling.

All of the pronouns and imprecise language make things confusing, I guess.

Rohrbaugh Firearms is a corporation that was previously owned by a number of individual shareholders, including but not limited to, Karl and Eric Rohrbaugh.  All of shares in Rohrbuagh Firearms were sold to a new buyer -- Remington, Para, Freedom Group... Whoever.

As a result, Rohrbaugh Firearms is now a wholly owned subsidiary of whatever entity took ownership of the shares.  Rohrbaugh Firearms continues to have the same warranty obligations to its customers--nothing about that has changed as a result of the change of ownership of the corporation.  However, the prior owners of Rohrbaugh Firearms have no more responsibility for, or control over, anything the company now chooses to do.


Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: JoshA on June 02, 2014, 11:11:27 PM


Duane, earlier you said that the "Buyer" purchased the Rohrbaugh Company and not the Rohrbaugh Company's assets.

If that is true than they do, I would think,  have some warranty obligations unless the person, company or whom ever is doing the selling let them out of that obligation.

I still do not believe that the Rohrbaughs are the one's doing the selling.

All of the pronouns and imprecise language make things confusing, I guess.

Rohrbaugh Firearms is a corporation that was previously owned by a number of individual shareholders, including but not limited to, Karl and Eric Rohrbaugh.  All of shares in Rohrbuagh Firearms were sold to a new buyer -- Remington, Para, Freedom Group... Whoever.

As a result, Rohrbaugh Firearms is now a wholly owned subsidiary of whatever entity took ownership of the shares.  Rohrbaugh Firearms continues to have the same warranty obligations to its customers--nothing about that has changed as a result of the change of ownership of the corporation.  However, the prior owners of Rohrbaugh Firearms have no more responsibility for, or control over, anything the company now chooses to do.

This sounds totally correct to me Duane. One question is this... if they purchased the Rohrbaugh company wouldn't they have a legal obligation to handle warranty work or is it merely a moral obligation? I have no doubt that if the Rogrbaughs sold the company they would have obviously had a legal document that says they are not liable for blah, blah, blah X 10 being a firearm company operating in New York.

My question comes in about the new owner. You buy a company that has guns out there under warranty and they need repaired. Is there a time limit that such services should be restored or is a warranty simply a blue sky type of thing that can be Moogie Foogied around with with little or no legal ramifications? Perhaps a gray legal area. I'm sure this isn't your area of legal expertise, but I wonder if you have a feel for the truth in this matter.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: JoshA on June 02, 2014, 11:13:29 PM
Also: MRC, what do you mean by the statement "I still do not believe that the Rohrbaugh's are the ones doing the selling"?

Are you referring to the other investors?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: DDGator on June 02, 2014, 11:39:29 PM

There are too many levels of abstraction here for me to get my point across clearly, I think.

Josh -- Yes, the Rohrbaugh Firearms corporation has contractual warranty obligations to its customers that have not changed as a result of a change in ownership of the corporation.

If any one of you wanted to sue Rohrbuagh for refusing to honor your warranty (not totally sure they have, but that is a different issue), you could do so.

Sometimes deals are structured so that a buyer purchases only the assets of an existing company--like the patents, trademarks, customer lists, etc., but not the actual corporate entity.  Then the empty corporation is left saddled with all the debts/obligations and is allowed to enter a death spiral.  That is not the case here.  Remington, or whoever, bought the whole company -- assets and liabilities.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: JoshA on June 03, 2014, 12:18:58 AM
Suing is nowhere whatsoever on my radar. I'm not even sure I have a legit warranty, but it is comforting to know there are laws that I'm sure Remington (or whoever) will be knowledgable of and hopefully attempting to abide by.

That's for the response sir.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: DDGator on June 03, 2014, 12:39:03 AM
Suing is nowhere whatsoever on my radar.

I really wasn't suggesting that you were -- just trying to make my point.  You have whatever rights you have and the corporate ownership changes don't matter as far as that goes.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: JoshA on June 03, 2014, 12:46:07 AM
Point well put and point well taken. Thanks again for clarifying.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: MRC on June 03, 2014, 06:53:12 AM
Also: MRC, what do you mean by the statement "I still do not believe that the Rohrbaugh's are the ones doing the selling"?

Are you referring to the other investors?

No, the sale is probably controlled by debt holders and creditors of the old Rohrbaugh Corp.  It takes a while to see who gets paid and who does not. 

That is just my guess.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: JoshA on June 03, 2014, 08:18:29 AM
So you are musing that there may have been some bad debt following the Bros around that they couldn't pay back which a court resolved (or was going to resolve) by forcing a sale ...(or else) kind of thing. The "bail out of a sinking ship" technique. Otherwise known in wider circles as BOOSS. Dumb joke. Sorry.

I have done some business with a few contractors over the years that have been in that situation. Things tend to get pretty squirrelly toward the end of that ride. All the fun is gone from the business and debt collectors are coming down hard and the typical modes of communication become compromised. Service goes out the window and a desperate type of dog paddle with more flailing than artful strokes takes place. Not pretty. Not sure these earmarks were observable with Rohrbaugh or if that's more with a contractor business.

 The other thing is, how in the world would they have garnered interest from a mogul in the industry with a junk business model? Not sure about that, but it seems if they couldn't make it with their current lower overhead business model it would take a lot of tweaks to refine the production process enough to make a profit with such a small niche market. Perhaps that's where the consolidation process makes sense. Refine the process, get away from high New York costs and sharpen the production to a knifes edge.

However, that being said whoever bought this company seems to have both a dysfunctionality and a macro view kind of thing going on, so it may be hard to put them in a box and say what does and doesn't make sense. They seem to be breaking the conventional rules of business operations.


I guess that is certainly one possibility though.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... But
Post by: Richard S on June 03, 2014, 08:37:57 AM
Josh:

I post this with no intention to offend or appear to be pretentious.

1. You purchased a used R9.  Only God and the previous owner know what if any abuse was inflicted on your copy of the finest pocket pistol ever produced.

2.  I do not purport to know the grip you have used in firing your R9, but I can assure you that anything less than a firm platform (some call it "limp wristing") to absorb the recoil force of a 13-ounce pistol chambered for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge will result in FTEs, FTFs, and who the hell knows what else of a disappointing nature. 
* * * [Balance of quote redacted to comply with length of post requirements.]


Oh for gosh sakes.  This is your response to about anyone who isn't happy with the products.  Did you re-type this, or just cut and paste it from another thread?  I can almost type it for you by now: 

1) Used gun, been abused to death by a gorilla shooting +p+ for years.

2) This is the worlds best gun and there are no problems ever.

3)  It's your weak grip.

4) Suck it up.  This is nothing compared to hanlow POW camp.


We all know you love the gun, but let's be realistic here.  Do you really think that the only messed up ones are from user abuse? If it was so amazing why have they only been selling a few hundred a year.

Why do I come here to read this nonsense?

Mr. Smith:

I check into the Forum these days from my wife's hospital room to see if there are any messages or specific posts directed to me.  Today, I find your post dated yesterday, June 2, 2014, dredging up and quoting one of mine back in February of this year.

You ask, "Why do I come here to read this nonsense?"

That's a damned good question and one of the more interesting points you have raised in your many recent posts.  You have obviously become somehow obsessed with this Forum, which got along quite well for a decade without the benefit of your wisdom or condescending guidance.  Why you continue to torture yourself by hanging around here, combing through the archives and posting your repetitious litany of criticism, complaints, and ad hominem attacks, when it is obvious that you are neither comfortable nor particularly welcome here, is as much a mystery to me as it would appear from your introspective question to be to you.

All I can say is that the Administrator and creator of this Forum is a very patient man. 


Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: JoshA on June 03, 2014, 09:05:46 AM
Lol!! You asked for that one Bob. Quite elequently put Richard.

Sorry to hear your wife is still in the hospital. I sincerely hope she is recovering sir.




Note to self: remember not to be a jerk today (even though it's a certain character flaw in you). It will certainly come back to haunt you josh.

Note back to self from self: ok. Thanks for the reminder. I always tend to forget that. Also remember not to write notes to me on public forums. People will think you are nuts.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: backupr9 on June 03, 2014, 09:38:53 AM
Richard, +1.
JoshA, +1
Patience, children!  Let's all play nice since we are all in the same sandbox.  Post information, not angst.  No point in bitchin' and whining since it does no one a service and simply makes you look childish and petty.  It also needlessly turns a wonderful and friendly forum into a combat zone. 
Just sayin'.
Backup

ps:  I've started a thread in another section titled "Windmills" for those on the forum who really, really need to tilt at something.
Pancho Sanza
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: DDGator on June 03, 2014, 11:43:42 AM


I have enough information to know this was not a court-ordered sale or other involuntary action taken by creditors.  Nor am I certain there are any creditors to speak of -- other than the usual recurring stuff.

Generally speaking, the idea behind bringing in someone like Remington is to do two things: 

1) Bring an influx of capital to buy raw materials and equipment to crank up the VOLUME of production.  It take money to make guns.  It takes a lot more money to make a lot more guns.   When you can sell as many as you can make, it only makes sense to crank up the volume until demand no longer exceeds supply.

2) Bring in manufacturing expertise, technology and scale of operations to reduce the COST of each until.  When you sell lots more guns at higher profit margins, you make money.   One industry person speculated that Remington can make the same R-9 for about half of what it costs the old Rohrbaugh.  With a few tweaks, maybe a quarter of the cost or less.

Presumably, Remington was buying a name and a design that is already popular is order to make more guns, cheaper, and make a lot of money.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: bobsmith on June 03, 2014, 06:47:52 PM
  I also feel they ( The Original Owners) had a fiduciary duty to the customers who had purchased their products under the representations of the warranty they offered. 

This is where we part ways.  You sell a company to a very solvent leader of the industry.  By definition, the customers and the obligations to the customers are not yours anymore.  Period.  Someone else has the legal responsibility.  I don't see any obligation, legal or ethical, on the sellers to do anything once the company is sold.  In fact, they CAN'T do anything.

Eventually we will get the whole story, but I don't assume that the owners sold the company to cash out at the peak of its value and retire to the south of  France, do you?  Perhaps there were reasons the company had to be sold.  I can't blame the previous owners one bit for what is happening now.  I can assure you that they did not see this coming.

Well that would explain why they took days to respond to my emails/phone calls back in January and February.  They clearly stalled me until it was to the point they could sign off and refuse the RMA shipment.  They may be legally in the clear now (with a good atty about anything is legal), but the business practices are totally questionable.  Who tells someone in writing to ship back a product and then refuses the delivery a week later.  If they knew this was in the works why didn't they fast track the repairs for the guys who already had active claims dated back to early January.



Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: DDGator on June 03, 2014, 07:33:24 PM


Well that would explain why they took days to respond to my emails/phone calls back in January and February.  They clearly stalled me until it was to the point they could sign off and refuse the RMA shipment.  They may be legally in the clear now (with a good atty about anything is legal), but the business practices are totally questionable.  Who tells someone in writing to ship back a product and then refuses the delivery a week later.  If they knew this was in the works why didn't they fast track the repairs for the guys who already had active claims dated back to early January.

Yes, their grand plan was to time the sale of their company so as to catch your gun in the transition and cause you heartache.  They got you good.  That can be the only explanation.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: JoshA on June 04, 2014, 09:02:04 AM
Regardless of motive (probably no motive, just dysfunctionality due to reasons we are left to only imagine about) I think we would all agree that the lack communication and service of an existing customer base is abysmal.

If someone is actually able to get word to the powers that be I think it would be appropriate to let them know their service (????) absolutely stinks.

That being said this whole thing is starting to smack of a raging beast of a company that is growing at an irrepressible rate and they don't think they have to communicate with customers. And they are probably right. They can probably run quite a long while like this and still sell guns. They are buying up companies left and right. Their customer base is exploding and I would guess that the profits are following.

Too bad.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: MRC on June 04, 2014, 09:16:07 AM
   


  Heyjoe, where did you go?



   No censorship here, is there!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: JoshA on June 04, 2014, 09:48:30 AM
 ??? MRC  ???

What does your comment mean?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: tracker on June 04, 2014, 10:56:42 AM

Jimi Hendrix song, album?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: MRC on June 04, 2014, 11:23:22 AM
??? MRC  ???

What does your comment mean?


I will let heyjoe or Duane  answer that one.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: tracker on June 04, 2014, 12:58:16 PM

I get the distinct impression that Duane is not in the mood to play Twenty Questions.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: bobsmith on June 04, 2014, 01:06:14 PM


Well that would explain why they took days to respond to my emails/phone calls back in January and February.  They clearly stalled me until it was to the point they could sign off and refuse the RMA shipment.  They may be legally in the clear now (with a good atty about anything is legal), but the business practices are totally questionable.  Who tells someone in writing to ship back a product and then refuses the delivery a week later.  If they knew this was in the works why didn't they fast track the repairs for the guys who already had active claims dated back to early January.

Yes, their grand plan was to time the sale of their company so as to catch your gun in the transition and cause you heartache.  They got you good.  That can be the only explanation.

Well you can be sarcastic if you want since you run the show here.  Which is ironic as you don't appreciate much sarcasms in my limited experience. 

The facts of the situation are what they are.  If they (Rohrbaugh brothers)  had given a rats ass about their customers during the proceeding months they could have taken car of the few people with DOA units they had in the pipeline.  I know there are only a few of us with DOA pistols, but I doubt they had built more than 25 guns the prior 90 days. 

When I go on vacation for a week I touch base with all my active clients before hand to make sure they don't get caught in the lurch while I'm gone for a week.  I stay late if needed the last couple days to mop up any messes.  They didn't clean up my mess and frankly stuck it to me in my opinion.  I know it's just one more defective pistol them them that they don't want to deal with.  It's $1500 down the drain to me which is not a small amount of money.   

That's just my opinion and we can agree to disagree on this point.   
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!
Post by: DDGator on June 04, 2014, 02:24:58 PM


Well that would explain why they took days to respond to my emails/phone calls back in January and February.  They clearly stalled me until it was to the point they could sign off and refuse the RMA shipment.  They may be legally in the clear now (with a good atty about anything is legal), but the business practices are totally questionable.  Who tells someone in writing to ship back a product and then refuses the delivery a week later.  If they knew this was in the works why didn't they fast track the repairs for the guys who already had active claims dated back to early January.

Yes, their grand plan was to time the sale of their company so as to catch your gun in the transition and cause you heartache.  They got you good.  That can be the only explanation.

Well you can be sarcastic if you want since you run the show here.  Which is ironic as you don't appreciate much sarcasms in my limited experience. 

The facts of the situation are what they are.  If they (Rohrbaugh brothers)  had given a rats ass about their customers during the proceeding months they could have taken car of the few people with DOA units they had in the pipeline.  I know there are only a few of us with DOA pistols, but I doubt they had built more than 25 guns the prior 90 days. 

When I go on vacation for a week I touch base with all my active clients before hand to make sure they don't get caught in the lurch while I'm gone for a week.  I stay late if needed the last couple days to mop up any messes.  They didn't clean up my mess and frankly stuck it to me in my opinion.  I know it's just one more defective pistol them them that they don't want to deal with.  It's $1500 down the drain to me which is not a small amount of money.   

That's just my opinion and we can agree to disagree on this point.   

I'm sorry you don't care for my sarcasm.  I was hoping you would see my point of how ridiculous that seems.  Perhaps if you would stop beating a dead horse over how my friends treated you so badly, I wouldn't have to resort to sarcasm.  You frankly have no clue about the timing of the transaction and you are wrong to keep assigning blame to individuals.  I'm sick of talking about it.  Say all you want about the Rohrbaugh Firearms company ignoring you if you like, but stop insulting my friends who can't defend themselves.  I'm really serious about that.




Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: JoshA on June 04, 2014, 03:29:54 PM
No Tracker that was "hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?"

Must have been a deleted post or something.

Well considering what I've seen Duane let go through it was probably pretty offensive. The last joker that got booted was just belligerent and he was the only one I know of that got the boots. Granted I've not been here too long, but I got here at the most volatile time in recent Rohrbaugh history.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: DDGator on June 04, 2014, 03:46:23 PM

HeyJoe's post was deleted.  I don't think he intended anything wrong, I just thought it was better left unsaid in polite conversation.  I explained it to him in a PM.

In a not necessarily related point, I am drawing a line on attacks on my friends who formerly owned the company.  They cannot speak of the circumstances of the sale (at least not yet) and therefore cannot defend themselves.  People here think they know what happened, or think they know the timing of the transaction and such, but they don't.  To then impute evil or negligent motives to gentlemen who have been very good to us over the years is wrong.   I won't have them disparaged in a public forum.  PM me if you want, or post your vitriol on GlockTalk.com or something, but not here.



Title: Line in the Sand
Post by: Richard S on June 04, 2014, 04:03:08 PM
Bravo, Duane!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: tracker on June 04, 2014, 04:47:13 PM

The policy of no personal diatribes is one of the many good things that has put this forum in a higher class.
I have been pleasantly surprised at the civility, restraint, congeniality, and collegial behavior of the vast majority here. It has been a great source of helpful information and tips on many subjects other than the title name. On several occasions I have witnessed the unilateral generosity of some members who have offered such things as springs, holsters, screws, tools, grip extensions, and even safety razors. However, as hard as many of us have tried this forum has never been able to manufacture, repair, or service one single weapon. Let us continue to do what we do best and that is to communicate in a positive fashion.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: jetboater on June 04, 2014, 10:42:26 PM

The policy of no personal diatribes is one of the many good things that has put this forum in a higher class.
I have been pleasantly surprised at the civility, restraint, congeniality, and collegial behavior of the vast majority here. It has been a great source of helpful information and tips on many subjects other than the title name. On several occasions I have witnessed the unilateral generosity of some members who have offered such things as springs, holsters, screws, tools, grip extensions, and even safety razors. However, as hard as many of us have tried this forum has never been able to manufacture, repair, or service one single weapon. Let us continue to do what we do best and that is to communicate in a positive fashion.


Well said!!!!!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: JoshA on June 04, 2014, 10:57:46 PM
So, I am happy that everyone wants to be congenial and all but is this horrid communication not a bother to anyone else but big bad Bob and myself?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: DDGator on June 04, 2014, 11:07:54 PM

Of course it is.  I know it is not a permanent problem, but the new ownership is clearly not off to a great start.

Just don't allow your frustration to spill over to people who are not responsible for the delay.   

Anyone who wants to continue to complain about how unacceptable the delay is -- feel free to vent.  Invent new adjectives to describe the frustration if you want.  However, since there is basically nothing we can do about it, it may not be all that productive a use of bandwidth or emotional capital.



Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT THIS COMPANY'S COMMUNICATION IS CRAPOLA!!😤
Post by: backupr9 on June 05, 2014, 09:37:49 AM
So, I am happy that everyone wants to be congenial and all but is this horrid communication not a bother to anyone else but big bad Bob and myself?

Certainly this is a bother.  We are all concerned and unhappy...we just don't moan and cry over what we cannot at this time change.  Some of the divas out there (and you know who you are) seem to be just seeking attention with repetitive posts that are just picking at scabs.  Due to my need to practice with what I carry and the unavailability of R9 springs, I now carry my Boberg XR9, a wonderful  pistol that is, unfortunately, both heavier and bulkier.  I will continue do so until springs are again available.  This doesn't make me happy, but, hey, I can get over it.  I am far more concerned about some of the actions of the leaders of our current executive branch of government and about the safety of our few remaining warriors in Afghanistan.

What bothers many of us even more is the unrelenting unwarranted trashing of people who may be entirely faultless (what happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?) and the continuous venting of anger over an issue that only time and patience will correct.  It appears that these are predominantly issues of such concern to the several members who are too new to know and remember the wonderful support and ethical treatment of the members of this forum, including myself, by the Rohrbaughs for many years before this one.  I, for one, don't believe they have changed.

So, my unsolicited advice to those who are angry: get over it.  For those that are too unhappy to refrain from polluting this forum, move on, either figuratively literally.
Backup
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: JoshA on June 05, 2014, 04:01:56 PM
Any other thoughts/advice on the uselessness of my frustration with a mega company not operating in a fashion that is satisfactory (let me know if you disagree with the way this question is posed)?

These are points well taken DD and Backup.

Any other thoughts? Let me have it fellas.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: tracker on June 05, 2014, 06:11:59 PM
Have you contacted The Remington Outdoor Company, the apparent buyer of Rohrbaugh, to express your frustration? Here is a link to their contact info:

http://www.remington.com/pages/our-company/our-company/company-info.aspx
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: DDGator on June 06, 2014, 09:59:33 AM

Actually, that is not a bad idea.  You have to get the right person on the phone -- which may take some social engineering -- but it's worth a try.

If not Remington Outdoors, perhaps Para.  Especially a number that rings in Pineville.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: JoshA on June 06, 2014, 10:23:10 AM
I will give it a try, BUT if this actually works I won't have anything to rant and gripe about on a public forum. Then what would I do, huh?  :o
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh
Post by: C0untZer0 on June 06, 2014, 10:40:21 AM
Get the gun in working condition and post pics of your shot groups
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: hjs157 on June 06, 2014, 11:31:26 PM
Any other thoughts? Let me have it fellas.

JoshA,

Good evening.  I suspect we all sense your frustration, however it may be time to give it a bit of a rest.  Sadly, there is nothing anyone of us can do to expedite this process.  For my part, I have already sold one of my R9's and am very close to a decision to let the other one go as well.  A mistake - probably - yet I feel oddly liberated having divorced myself from the first pistol.  I suspect the process will be complete once I have severed my final ties with Rohrbaugh.  I am too old and too impatient to play footsies with a company whose future is at best uncertain.  Like any other break-up, it was fun while it lasted.  I wish y'all the best of luck with parts and service.  Hopefully the Remington folks will remedy the situation soon. 

Very best regards, 

Frank       
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: JoshA on June 07, 2014, 12:06:53 AM
Good ideas. Good insights.

I'm getting ready to depart for the boundary waters with my 14 year old son for a bit.

I will hopefully not think of this or anything else that isn't really important in life and figure out what to do on return.

Thanks a lot for the advice guys. Keep it coming please. Any good ideas other than the obvious one (to wait) would be appreciated.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: hjs157 on June 09, 2014, 05:58:07 AM
Hi folks.  As predicted,  I sold my remaining R9 on Saturday.  My logic may seem somewhat convoluted, so please allow me to explain.  With the future uncertain, I suspect original R9 pistols have the potential to become highly coveted prizes.  Even if Remington begins producing the R9, when more customers begin chasing fewer original pistols, the market will respond with a two-tier price structure.  Combine this with the current parts/service situation and the R9 moves quickly from "working gun" status into the the realm of pseudo collectibility overnight.  (I'm old enough to recall the Auto-Mag, Bren-Ten and other niche pistols.)  Unfortunately, my sensibilities prohibit me from utilizing a potentially valuable pistol as a working firearm.  By default, my R9's were relegated to "safe queen" status.  It is my sincere desire the current situation reverses itself soon.  You folks have all purchased what I believe to be the finest pocket pistol ever manufactured and truly deserve the confidence of quality service and parts availability.  Good luck and very best regards.         
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh...
Post by: C0untZer0 on June 09, 2014, 08:40:56 AM
My R9 still goes in my pocket every day in a DeSantis Nemesis holster.

I could have taken the money that I spent on the R9 and invested in Apple Computer or something, but that still leaves me with a problem of not wanting to be unarmed and wanting a small reliable pocket pistol in a major caliber.

I have been looking for the R9 since 1987.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: DDGator on June 09, 2014, 09:10:56 AM
  (I'm old enough to recall the Auto-Mag, Bren-Ten and other niche pistols.)

Me too, but any comparison to the Bren Ten or Auto-Mag are completely off the mark at this point...  And I would love to own either one.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: MRC on June 09, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
R.I.P


(http://)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: DDGator on June 09, 2014, 10:31:30 AM

Now that is funny!

And yes, I am jealous.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: MRC on June 09, 2014, 12:59:36 PM

Now that is funny!

And yes, I am jealous.

Thanks Duane, I was hoping you would see it that way as that is how I meant it.

P.S.  -  The Detonics was buried too deep in the safe to bother with.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: hjs157 on June 09, 2014, 07:39:38 PM

[Aw nuts...  I accidentally erased the content of this message.  I am sorry.  Please feel free to re-post.  --DDGator]



Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: hjs157 on June 09, 2014, 07:43:16 PM
R.I.P


(http://)

Now I get it.  I couldn't see the photo at work.  Well played.  You have a fine collection and an even finer sense of humor. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: tracker on June 09, 2014, 09:01:25 PM
"R.I.P."   Rohrbaugh In Production. It has a lot better chance than those other icons of weaponry.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: bobsmith on June 10, 2014, 10:29:42 AM
R.I.P


(http://)

I wore deck shoes with no socks in the 80s because of that damn Bren!  Thranks Crockett!

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: MRC on June 10, 2014, 02:07:40 PM
It seems that buying guns that are no longer made or serviced is a VICE I have acquired.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: DDGator on June 10, 2014, 02:26:13 PM

Has no one tried to make a call to Remington / Para yet?

I would call, but I don't have a problem that needs fixing, which would seem to make me an odd person to do it.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: hjs157 on June 10, 2014, 06:17:43 PM

Has no one tried to make a call to Remington / Para yet?

I would call, but I don't have a problem that needs fixing, which would seem to make me an odd person to do it.

I've been calling periodically.  As recently as this afternoon, the number (855) 774-0012 answers to the same pre-recorded message. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: DDGator on June 10, 2014, 11:46:16 PM

My point is, I would try to find a working number for Remington.  Surety they have phones somewhere that they answer.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: bobsmith on June 11, 2014, 10:22:17 AM

My point is, I would try to find a working number for Remington.  Surety they have phones somewhere that they answer.

I did a month ago and the guy wouldn't tell me anything.  At that time he didn't know they had purchased Rohrbaugh.  It was one of the Para service departments numbers. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: MRC on June 11, 2014, 11:26:33 AM
A guy on the Seecamp Forum who lives in the area by the Para Shop stopped in one day and asked when the Rohrbaugh production was going to begin as he was in the market for a R9.

No one knew anything about the move and by the looks on their faces, he said he believed them.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: BlueC2 on June 11, 2014, 11:33:44 AM
I can assure everyone that there are at least some folks at Para who know about Rohrbaugh. I was fortunate to be able to meet up with Eric R as he was driving through VA on his way to NC to train up some of the Para technicians to get them ready to support warranty repair work. He also called me when he got back to NYC and told me that folks would be in good hands with the Para techs as they picked up the nuances of the R9 very quickly.  Eric R did not drive from NYC to NC for fun so I am confident that there are people at Para who know exactly what is going on with Rohrabugh. Sometimes taking your time to make sure you can do something correctly is better than rushing into something - that is what I hope the case is with Para and Rohrbaugh and we just need to be patient.

-Ryan
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: DDGator on June 11, 2014, 11:37:55 AM
Blue is correct. If this alleged visit occurred less than three weeks ago, it would seem hard to believe, or the employees may have been told not to discuss it.  If more than 3 weeks ago, that could be true.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: MRC on June 11, 2014, 12:01:20 PM
The gentleman from the Seecamp Forum was there more than three weeks ago, but it was after it was "unofficially-announced" here.

No matter what, it is a very, very strange acquisition.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: BlueC2 on June 11, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
I just called Para's 704-930-7600 number and chose Option 2 (to place an order- a good way to ensure you talk with a human). I figured that I would try to order some springs. I spoke with a man named Doug who seemed like he was familiar with Roharbaugh but said something to the effect of since no announcements have been made and they do not have any parts inventory he couldn't help. I asked about a time frame and his exact words were: it will probably be a very long time :(

Maybe we can organize a group buy with Wolf? Interested to hear peoples thoughts on this.

-Ryan
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: BlueC2 on June 11, 2014, 02:50:33 PM
I just called Wolff to inquire about a group buy for the R9 springs. He said a group buy would not be necessary as they are planning to start offering all of the R9 springs directly to the public within the next 30 days. He said to check under the New Products link:

http://www.gunsprings.com/New%20Products/cID6

This is good news for everyone with functional pistols at least.

-Ryan
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: MRC on June 11, 2014, 06:20:15 PM
Wolff is a very good outfit.  They still put out recoil, magazine, and firing pin springs for the Auto Mags after they have been out of business for 35 years.

TFG can't seem to get their act together.  That's too bad.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: the_skunk on June 11, 2014, 08:21:44 PM

The more I see, the more the 1911s, and PPKs appeal to me. I am sick of Jam-a-matics, and ammo sensitive guns. I am carrying a Seecamp 32, and mine will run great on $1.75 a bullet Gold Dots. My Browning HP will 'Lift her skirt' and dance with anything from Tula crap to Corbon. I got an LC9, and she is 'Butt Ugly' plastic, but it doesn't jam, and will eat anything.
Title: Wolff Spring to make R9 recoil springs !
Post by: C0untZer0 on June 11, 2014, 08:41:42 PM
That is great news, I am going to buy a dozen springs :)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: Svarog on June 12, 2014, 06:02:48 AM
I just called Wolff to inquire about a group buy for the R9 springs. He said a group buy would not be necessary as they are planning to start offering all of the R9 springs directly to the public within the next 30 days. He said to check under the New Products link:

http://www.gunsprings.com/New%20Products/cID6

This is good news for everyone with functional pistols at least.

-Ryan
Ryan thank you for your time that you spent in trying to find a information about R9. I really do appreciate it ,thank you.
As far as wolf springs I really hope that they will start make those springs for the R9. 
Title: Springs
Post by: C0untZer0 on June 12, 2014, 12:33:45 PM
Right after I had read on this forum that Wolff wasn't offering springs, I saw an add on the High Road from Century Spring Corporation, I was trying to think if this could have been generated from my browsing, but I don't see how it could have been since I wasn't searching for or browsing springs.

I think Century just bought space on the High Road forum, as near as I can tell.

But anyway I called them to inquire about Rohrbaugh recoil springs and it was just a mess.  They couldn't tell me if they had them in stock or even if they made them or not, I tried to inquire about doing a group buy but the sales rep I was dealing with made it too much of a chore and I gave up.

I'm glad Wolff is making them.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: MRC on June 12, 2014, 12:59:22 PM
I am pretty sure that Rohrbaugh bought their springs from Wolff.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: BlueC2 on June 12, 2014, 01:21:37 PM
I am pretty sure that Rohrbaugh bought their springs from Wolff.

This is my understanding as well. Wolff = OEM for Rohrbaugh springs.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: DDGator on June 12, 2014, 01:54:38 PM

Rohrbaugh absolutely bought the OEM springs from Wolff.

Wolff just never chose to offer them direct.  It's great news that they are apparently willing to do so now.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: Svarog on June 12, 2014, 03:05:41 PM

 It's great news that they are apparently willing to do so now.
100%
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: DDGator on June 12, 2014, 03:39:32 PM

Wolff probably senses some profit to me made on the Great Spring Shortage of '14...

 :D

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: MRC on June 12, 2014, 06:25:21 PM
I am sure that Wolff had a deal with Rohrbaugh not to sell them in competition to them as long as Rohrbaugh was buying from them.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: DDGator on June 12, 2014, 07:12:22 PM
I am sure that Wolff had a deal with Rohrbaugh not to sell them in competition to them as long as Rohrbaugh was buying from them.

Well, I don't think you are sure...  because even Eric isn't sure.

In fact, there was no formal exclusivity deal with Wolff.  Eric can't remember if they asked him not to sell the springs, or if he just didn't have any interest in selling the springs retail for a gun produced in such small numbers.  Regardless there is not reason at this point that Wolff couldn't sell them.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: MRC on June 12, 2014, 07:28:54 PM
I probably mis-stated when I said that Duane.  I would guess that it is more of a gentleman's agreement that Wolff would honor with any OEM they do business with.

There were less than 9000 Auto Mags made and they had two different diameter recoils springs and Wolff usually has them in stock.  I would be surprised if there are more than a couple thousand Auto Mags still being shot today after 35 years.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: BlueC2 on June 12, 2014, 07:40:50 PM
I would like to propose a gentlemens agreement among willing forum members to not go overboard stockpiling springs from Wolffs upcoming production run. He did not tell me how many he was going to be able to make and it would be nice if multiple members could pick up a few rather than one or two folks buying the entire lot.

Just an idea,

Ryan
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: DDGator on June 12, 2014, 09:55:59 PM

I'm o.k. with a gentleman's agreement.  You gotta see what kind of buy-in you can get.   8)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: dddonkey on June 12, 2014, 10:35:34 PM
I would be happy with 4-5, that would last me  a couple of years.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: Svarog on June 13, 2014, 07:22:03 AM
I would be happy with 4-5, that would last me  a couple of years.
well ,as they say " shoot a little -carry a lot". So yes I would buy 5 or more springs for myself also.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: DDGator on June 13, 2014, 09:18:24 AM

If your quest is for "spring independence," don't forget that recoil springs are not the only springs in the gun.  Hopefully Wolff will run them all.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: BlueC2 on June 13, 2014, 10:02:46 AM

If your quest is for "spring independence," don't forget that recoil springs are not the only springs in the gun.  Hopefully Wolff will run them all.

He was talking about running them all when I spoke with him. Time will tell.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: tracker on June 13, 2014, 04:44:36 PM

It would have been more helpful to wait until we had more definiitive information from Wolff before announcing this on an ad hoc basis. It is virtually guaranteed to have a run on the spring supply now.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: BlueC2 on June 13, 2014, 04:58:25 PM

It would have been more helpful to wait until we had more definiitive information from Wolff before announcing this on an ad hoc basis. It is virtually guaranteed to have a run on the spring supply now.

I really don't see how you think I would be to blame for any potential run in springs. I could have just called and kept the info for myself and waited to share until after I had made sure to purchase enough for myself. In my mind sharing the info was a selfless act.

If a run on springs is going to happen it won't have anything to do with my post here, and will have everything to do with doomsday preppers buying 20 at a time.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: DDGator on June 13, 2014, 05:12:11 PM

This is still a relatively small group on this forum -- and smaller still who are overly concerned about springs.  When Wolff makes a run, he will run a bunch.  That is the nature of manufacturing.  If this group can run him out of springs in a matter of days, we are buying way too many springs.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?
Post by: DDGator on June 13, 2014, 05:22:25 PM

There were less than 9000 Auto Mags made and they had two different diameter recoils springs and Wolff usually has them in stock.  I would be surprised if there are more than a couple thousand Auto Mags still being shot today after 35 years.

Also, this AutoMag situation is totally different.  Wolff has been the sole supplier of AutoMag springs for a gun from a defunct company.  There is a (small) market of people who NEED your springs.  You can sell them, and probably at a premium if you want.

For the past decade or so, Wolff would have been only a secondary supplier of its own Rohrbaugh springs...  Most private buyers would probably buy from Rohrbaugh.  Wolff has much less incentive to sell to the public on a piece-by-piece when you can just sell your whole run in bulk to Rohrbaugh.

Now, however, there is a market again.  At least for the moment they are the sole supplier of springs.  And once Remington cranks up production, they will likely source their own springs.  If they do, Wolff still has a market to compete with "no name" springs from Remington.

As an aside, I bet Wolff hasn't run AutoMag springs in years.  They do one run of 500 springs and they can stock them for many years.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & Is there any more good advice out there?😔
Post by: MRC on June 13, 2014, 05:44:09 PM
I ordered 4 sets of Auto Mag springs in January.  It takes two springs when you change them and there are ,180" and .200" sizes.  They had to run the .200" and I waited 60 days.  They had the .180" and the magazine springs in stock though.

A set of two recoil springs costs $12.00 I believe.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on June 18, 2014, 11:44:41 PM
Looks like no new news eh?

I guess I should be calling them this week or next.

Boundary waters wilderness canoe area with my 14 yr old son was great. I would highly recommend it. This was my 3rd trip. Good stuff. Forget about all the "important stuff" that doesn't really matter for a bit.

Anyway, I guess I will call para or Remington and just spend some time discussing this matter with them. Hopefully we can get somewhere, but if not... Oh well.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: PsychoSword on June 23, 2014, 08:14:05 PM
First time R9 owner. I love everything about my R9 except for the most important thing that I carry it for. Reliability.

I bought it used a year ago. I have changed springs numerous times in the course of range sessions. Lubed it in every way I can practically imagine. Ran through 200 Winchester silver tips. I can't seem to get this thing to eject in a dependable fashion  :-[

After hours of range time and musing and hours more reading this forum I am wondering if I got a lemon???

The only thing I can imagine doing shy of sending my second hand R9 in for the $ and repairs is to try gold dot 124 grain.

Has anyone else had terrible success (FFE 1 out of +/- 15 rounds) with the silver tip 115 gr and then switched to another round and experienced great success?

I have read that some R9's are pickier than others.

Any other advice?

Thanks for all of the great reads :))

I've never used silver tips. Back when the R9 came out mine and I bought one mine was not reliable. I realized the magazine springs were very weak and requested the updated ones. Got them and all my reliability problems went away immediately. It would fire WWB 115gr. all day. And the 124gr. Gold dots I was carrying. In fact then I didn't have a lot of spare cash and would sometimes carry it with WWB. Still not a bad choice IMO if you are concerned about penetration. Anyways, I unfortunately sold that gun years ago. I bought a replacement about two years ago and it had a couple or maybe three FTF when I took it to the range last spring out of two mags. It was dry and I was using brass cased gold dots, so I didn't think much about it. Forward to a couple months ago, I fired 4 mags of nickel case, standard pressure 124gr. Gold Dots out of it with no failures. I had cleaned and lubed it before the range trip.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on June 23, 2014, 08:59:33 PM
They can be a finicky pistol I am understanding.

Mine actually has a loose piece. I have tried about every trick in the book. I think it just needs a trip back to the factory as long as some novice doesn't get ahold of it and make matters worse.

It liked the 124 gold dot best and 124 lawman for range work.

I've got a small fortune in ammo trying to find what it likes. Then after a bunch of rounds a small piece to the left of the hammer ended up loosening.

I think these small guns are best if they aren't shot much. I hate to say it, but the adage of "shoot little, carry much" is probably pretty wisely put.

I've had the same issue out of my Seecamp with only about 100 painful rounds through it.

My karhr CW 380 works good, but after 400 or so rounds it won't lock back reliably.

Now my Kimber solo which has been" bullet proof" is starting to fail to eject and won't lock back after about 1500 rounds. Not really sure what the issue is, but I'm sure it will be sent back to the factory for an inspection.

Yep I think these little guys are fine pistols, but just don't hold up to the torture like a Glock, 1911 or other beefier guns.

Revelation right? I didn't think so either, but they are a bit more prone to wear than I had imagined. Now I KNOW what the threshold of pain is and I've gained some good experience in the meantime.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on August 14, 2014, 08:29:38 PM
So who has the best number that I could hope to reach a responsible party who would care about the company and it's customer service?

I still have received no call and the VM is still the same ("call back on May 12"). School break is over for my kids and I am ready to jack with this ridiculous customer service issue if I can.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: DDGator on August 14, 2014, 11:00:56 PM

Here is the main number:  800-243-9700

One name you might try is Dan Cox.  He was supposed to be involved with the Rohrbaugh stuff.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on August 15, 2014, 08:24:58 AM
Thanks Duane. I will post on the experience.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE
Post by: DDGator on August 15, 2014, 09:27:33 AM

I have no doubt about that...   :D
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: heyjoe on August 15, 2014, 03:05:58 PM
A number was never set up yet to call for warranty or repair? thats awful. i hope this whole thing still works out for you guys.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on August 18, 2014, 03:38:29 PM
Dan Cox was very professional, responsive and knowledgeable.

He took my name and phone number and says he will be back in touch in a few days.

He also said he would look into the VM that says "call back after May 12", so hopefully some headway will be made there too.

Thanks for the contact info Duane.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: BlueC2 on August 18, 2014, 06:10:03 PM
A glimmer of hope perhaps. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: bobsmith on August 22, 2014, 01:49:43 PM
Dan Cox was very professional, responsive and knowledgeable.

He took my name and phone number and says he will be back in touch in a few days.

He also said he would look into the VM that says "call back after May 12", so hopefully some headway will be made there too.

Thanks for the contact info Duane.

Did you hear back from him?  I left him a message 48 hours ago and haven't heard a word back. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on August 22, 2014, 02:02:45 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: MRC on August 22, 2014, 05:39:36 PM
A glimmer of hope perhaps.


Sounds like the glimmer is flickering.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: tracker on August 22, 2014, 07:47:00 PM

                 
         "The Shadow knows."
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: pjames32 on August 26, 2014, 11:17:53 PM
My first day on this forum!
FIRST:DDGator-you have my utmost sympathy and support.
Bob Smith-At page 1, I was going to PM you about your $1,000 R9. After page 26 I'm thinking I'll look for an alternative, altho I don't think there is one.
For now I'll live with my .380 LCP with its bad trigger and no lock back on empty.
I learned a lot in 26 pages on just this thread. I have looked at some others.
I was not looking for a collector pistol. I just wanted a reliable pocket pistol in 9MM.
I'll look again at the Solo, altho it is bigger than I want.
Again DDGator-thanks for moderating what appears to be an angry group.
I hope good things happen with Remington/Para.
I own an early (Canada) Para P-14 that has been a workhorse.
PJames32
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE
Post by: DDGator on August 27, 2014, 09:46:36 AM
Again DDGator-thanks for moderating what appears to be an angry group.

I don't think the group is angry, per se...  Certain individuals got caught at exactly the wrong time -- buying a gun that needs some service and not being able to get it because of the ownership change.

Many of rest of us were largely hopeful that this would mean good things for lovers of the R-9.   The deafening silience that has set in since the transition, however, has been somewhat disturbing. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: bobsmith on August 27, 2014, 05:51:32 PM
Any value in parting out these problem units? 

If I could get most of my $$$ back I would have no issues with breaking it down at this point.  I think it's just a bad ejector on mine.  The other thing would be an independent gun smith, but I'm reluctant to put more money into this and want to be done with it all frankly.

Many people have suggested I sell it, but naturally nobody is interested in buying a jamomatic.

Zip from Dan as well.  Couldn't they have just purchased licence rights or patents without buying the whole company and 10 years of warranty liability? The recent sales figures on R9 pistols wouldn't be very motivating to a new owner in the face of past product warranty claims and liability. 

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: backupr9 on August 27, 2014, 08:36:43 PM
I guess some have better luck than others...both of mine feed, fire and eject every time with high quality ammo, as did the first one I owned that I foolishly sold to buy the Covert version.  I still carry mine daily, fire it every couple of months, and would never part with it...if para never comes through it will still be a  collector's piece someday, similar to my 1917 Savage .32 auto. 

I have a Solo that is not, unfortunately, very certain to feed a round predictably; can't carry it altho I do love to shoot it...nice sights, good feel, quite accurate at close range.  My cousin has a Solo that he cherishes...we went to his range and fired at 10 yard plates...he actually did better with my R9 than with his Solo (he missed one plate).  They were equally accurate in my hands (I missed  one with each...old eyes).  The R9 is still by far the easiest and most comfortable pocket and/or IWB carry of any 9mm IMO.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: tracker on August 27, 2014, 08:51:51 PM

The R9 has a tactile feel and balance that is quite unique and unmatched, in my opinion. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on August 27, 2014, 10:31:35 PM
Nice concept. Nice look. Nice cartridge. Nice, personal, small company feel (old Rohrbaugh). Nice warranty (old Rohrbaugh). Nice following. Nice forum. Nice resale value. Mine just isn't reliable and Remington doesn't seem to care about customer service. Not nice.

Other than that I like the gun. It is what no other gun is at this point... the worlds smallest 9mm with some class I might add.

Maybe a year down the road this will all make sense and be okey dokey, but IMO the gun had a mixed reputation before all this transpired. It surely isn't looking good to the outside world now for those who know how they are treating the loyal handful of followers that are on this forum.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: C0untZer0 on August 27, 2014, 10:40:14 PM
Mine feeds, fires and ejects every time with 124gr Gold Dots,  124gr and 147gr Lawman TMJ, and 147gr Winchester Ranger "T" Series.  I am going to be testing 147gr HST out of as it is more available (just bought 250 rounds from Ammo To Go), and there are published gel test results now of the 147gr HST through 4 layers of denim, from a 3" barrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VfWkWMzOI&list=PLgNSGOEQko_M90AMdRCDMgd-w4Yozc27i&index=11

My pistol does not like 147gr Remington Bonded Golden Saber - so I don't feed her Golden Sabers, and it's not my first choice in SD ammo anyway - 147gr HST is my first choice followed by 147gr Winchester Ranger T (RA9T)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: BlueC2 on August 28, 2014, 04:53:56 AM
My pistol does not like 147gr Remington Bonded Golden Saber - so I don't feed her Golden Sabers, and it's not my first choice in SD ammo anyway - 147gr HST is my first choice followed by 147gr Winchester Ranger T (RA9T)

Ironically, my carry R9 shoots almost all ammo reliably but won't even rack a REMMINGTON UMC round. Did not make this connection until reading the above post.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: bobsmith on August 28, 2014, 01:56:11 PM
Nice concept. Nice look. Nice cartridge. Nice, personal, small company feel (old Rohrbaugh). Nice warranty (old Rohrbaugh). Nice following. Nice forum. Nice resale value. Mine just isn't reliable and Remington doesn't seem to care about customer service. Not nice.

Other than that I like the gun. It is what no other gun is at this point... the worlds smallest 9mm with some class I might add.

Maybe a year down the road this will all make sense and be okey dokey, but IMO the gun had a mixed reputation before all this transpired. It surely isn't looking good to the outside world now for those who know how they are treating the loyal handful of followers that are on this forum.

Yep.. It would sure be interesting to see the percent of them that had issues.  I have to assume the seller sold you that R9 when it didn't work.  Another guy just bought a used one that didn't work if I recall.  I've had many people suggest I sell mine and hope the buyer just sticks it in the safe.  If you look back in the history of this site you'll find reliability issues to be a frequent occurrence.  I'm sure no data would be forthcoming, but would sure be interesting to see at this point.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: MRC on August 28, 2014, 02:02:59 PM
Nice concept. Nice look. Nice cartridge. Nice, personal, small company feel (old Rohrbaugh). Nice warranty (old Rohrbaugh). Nice following. Nice forum. Nice resale value. Mine just isn't reliable and Remington doesn't seem to care about customer service. Not nice.

Other than that I like the gun. It is what no other gun is at this point... the worlds smallest 9mm with some class I might add.

Maybe a year down the road this will all make sense and be okey dokey, but IMO the gun had a mixed reputation before all this transpired. It surely isn't looking good to the outside world now for those who know how they are treating the loyal handful of followers that are on this forum.

Yep.. It would sure be interesting to see the percent of them that had issues.  I have to assume the seller sold you that R9 when it didn't work.  Another guy just bought a used one that didn't work if I recall.  I've had many people suggest I sell mine and hope the buyer just sticks it in the safe.  If you look back in the history of this site you'll find reliability issues to be a frequent occurrence.  I'm sure no data would be forthcoming, but would sure be interesting to see at this point.



I am 50% on my Rohrbaugh's.  One that would not work at all new right out of the box and the second pistol has been perfect.

When I first came here in about 2010, everyone was on a first name basis it seemed with Maria because of problems.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on August 28, 2014, 02:19:00 PM
Josh
 
 
Just wanted to touch base with you to let you know I haven’t forgotten you and your need for repair.  Hoping to have some final answers in the next day or two about where to send it for repair work.  I’ll be in touch ASAP
 
Sincerely,
 
Daniel Cox

Looks like the voice mail actually  found  someone at home.

Maybe a few more days.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE
Post by: DDGator on August 28, 2014, 02:29:18 PM
As always, the internet magnifies problems.  People rarely (some of our members are an exception) come to a forum to brag about how great their gun is out of the box.  They more frequently show up to seek info or complain about the gun that doesn't meet their expectations.  This always distorts the perception of products -- you have to take the Internet with a large grain of salt.

Rohrbaughs historically have not had an unusually high rate of return.  Many problems were solved by proper ammo selection, proper lubricaton, etc.  Eric personally inspected every gun that went out the door.  To the extent there were problems, they were all resolved.  Again, with a few vocal exceptions, most people were very pleased with Rohrbaugh's warranty service. 

Much of the discussion of Rohrbuagh initial quality on the forum lately comes from two or three guns that were some of the last ones out the door.  This was not, historically, a persistent problem.   However, that was then and this is now.  Whatever is produced going forward will have little relationship to what was produced before the sale.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on August 28, 2014, 08:05:44 PM
That's pretty accurate IMO. The guns seems to have few gripers on this forum. I would say that 2 of us wouldn't be griping if we weren't caught between a change of hands and needing warranty work. That's pretty good.

As the internet magnifies problems it can also built hype too. There is a bit of hype surrounding the R9. But that all goes back to taking the internet with a grain of salt.

As usual, well put DDGator.

So, hopefully we will hear from Dan and something will be happening with the R9. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: Buffalo on August 28, 2014, 08:39:22 PM
I agree completely.  I have the Tribute and haven't had any problems at all.  Not to discount those with problems but for mine it has functioned flawlessly out of the box.  I sat on the fence for awhile prior to purchase but I'm still glad it did.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: JoshA on August 31, 2014, 09:48:20 PM
Well I'm ready to send the Kimber solo back to Yonkers after 1400 rounds probably wearing out the extractor. Awesome little gun, but due for a tune up.

The Kahr .380 is a bit underpowered with jacket weather just around the corner.
 
Love my Glock 27 IWB, but hopefully I will be able to add the R9 back to the pocket carry line up really soon.

After receiving the email from Dan Cox hopefully I will get a good call from him this week. 

 We will see.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: C0untZer0 on September 01, 2014, 01:46:25 PM
Quote
The Kahr .380 is a bit underpowered with jacket weather just around the corner.

I don't own a 380, because when I purchased my R9 most 380 JHPs were stopping short at 9" to 10" of penetration in the 4 x Denim gel tests and the FMJs were zipping right through 4 layers of denim and zipping right out the back of the 18" gel blocks.

I sort of though why get a 380 when I can get a 9mm almost the same size (the Rohrbaugh R9).

But I also have a theory, This is just my opinion on this but I'll put it out there.

In the late 80s and early 90s the FBI was driving bullet design and development for the 9mm and 40 S&W, and we saw tremendous improvements in bullet designs and terminal performance for those calibers.  IMO though, the ammo manufacturers didn't put nearly as much research or development effort in the 380 ACP.  They did however, slap their name brands on the 380 cartridges, which gave the impression that 380 rounds like PDX and Golden Saber were going to perform as well as their big caliber cousins.  What we saw though is that many of these name-brand cartridges don't do any better than any of the other 380 loadings out there, and don't do that well in general.

Now we've seen a boom in the 380 ACP pocket pistol market with many owners who are intelligent shooters with good knowledge of terminal ballistics now looking for 380 cartridges that perform well out of the 3" barrels.

I think that is creating a market for someone to create bullet designs and loadings that penetrate 4 layers of denim and penetrate to around 13" of gel with some (controlled) expansion, out of 3" barrels.  It will pay to do real design work, test the bullet, re-design, re-test and re-design to get a bullet that will reliably penetrate 13" in gel through 4 layers of denim.

I think we will see improved 380 ACP performance in the future.  We're already seeing interesting designs like the Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczfeWK9lHw

So I just thought I'd put that out there - these 380 ACP Lehigh Xtreme Penetrators are not going to be stopped short by heavy winter clothing.
 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: tracker on September 01, 2014, 03:48:44 PM

Thanks for the link to Lehigh; very interesting.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: cargaritaville on September 01, 2014, 09:03:12 PM
Great reviews on this ammo. I can't find anything on this ammo and the Seecamp .380,  nor any place to buy it.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: C0untZer0 on September 01, 2014, 09:23:46 PM
It is going to be tough to find someone who reviews ammo out of an even shorter barrel, but my opinion is that most 380 hollow points aren't going to do that well out of a LWS .380.  There is only a very small number of JHP cartridges that do "OK" out of the 3" barrel.  JHPs rely on hitting a certain velocity to expand.  If the parachute doesn't open, (so to speak) it turns into a very different kind of bullet.  The Lehigh Xtreme Penetrators aren't dependent on a velocity threshold.   They're going to create turbulence as they progress through flesh and a slight decrease in velocity is probably going to result in slightly less penetration and a slightly smaller wound channel, but it is not going to completely change the behavior of the bullet - which is what happens to 380 JHPs that don't expand.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: JoshA on September 01, 2014, 09:44:58 PM
Very interesting.

I'm currently carrying the buffalo bore +P in my Kahr 380 (which I most likely wouldn't have purchased if my R9 was usable) and have figured it was as good as I can do in .380; however the gelatin test is making me think that the Lehigh may very well be a decent round.

Thanks Count. I think you may be on to something with your theory.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: C0untZer0 on September 01, 2014, 11:40:44 PM
I'm not sure how the Buffalo Bore does, but the Precision One loading of the Hornady XTP does pretty well through 4 layers of denim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwCXXpEP50

It is kind of weird - the Ranger T, Golden Sabers, PDX1 and Gold Dots don't do that well in 380, or at least not out of a 3" barrel - which is why I've expressed my opinion that 380 ACP was little more than an after thought for the major ammo manufacturer.  I don't think they took the time to try to make a great bullet.   I think they slapped their name brand on the 380 and thought that 380 ACP ballistics were bad, it was just a bad caliber compared to 9mm and 40 S&W, and that was it.

The Hornady XTP is kind of strange in that it does well in 380 ACP, but it does really lousy in 9mm :)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on September 04, 2014, 08:06:42 PM
Josh
 
 
Just wanted to touch base with you to let you know I haven’t forgotten you and your need for repair.  Hoping to have some final answers in the next day or two about where to send it for repair work.  I’ll be in touch ASAP
 
Sincerely,
 
Daniel Cox

Looks like the voice mail actually  found  someone at home.

Maybe a few more days.

...crickets. I guess his concept of a few days is different than mine.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & A FRESH PERSPECTIVE 😉
Post by: JoshA on September 09, 2014, 09:15:36 PM
Josh
 
 
Just wanted to touch base with you to let you know I haven’t forgotten you and your need for repair.  Hoping to have some final answers in the next day or two about where to send it for repair work.  I’ll be in touch ASAP
 
Sincerely,
 
Daniel Cox

Looks like the voice mail actually  found  someone at home.

Maybe a few more days.

...crickets. I guess his concept of a few days is different than mine.

Well I replied to this email a couple of days ago to see if I could conjure a reply, but to no avail.

Tic toc. Tic toc. Tic toc.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: JoshA on September 10, 2014, 05:48:47 PM
Left 2 VM's and another email requesting info for Dan Cox to no avail.

I called and spoke to Remington's repair facility manager today and he gave me some hope that he would actually be talking to management over Dan Cox's head and try to get to the bottom of the issue.

He actually sounded like he wanted to have the gun in his hands and repair it if he can get the authorization from his superior.

I obviously was careful to not through Dan under the bus, but needless to say I am a bit let down… Again… And again…
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: dddonkey on September 10, 2014, 06:29:16 PM
Hopefully they figure something out for you soon. Too bad there was not something written into the contract when the company was sold about a warranty repair center setup  time line, just to hold the new owners accountable to current owners.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: tracker on September 10, 2014, 06:39:02 PM

I had the impression that this alleged sale was not one that followed the usual negotiations where some compromises and concessions were given by both buyer and seller.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: MRC on September 10, 2014, 08:27:03 PM

I had the impression that this alleged sale was not one that followed the usual negotiations where some compromises and concessions were given by both buyer and seller.

Where would you come up with such a startling idea tracker?   ;)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: tracker on September 10, 2014, 09:49:59 PM

I must have dreamed about it.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: the_skunk on September 10, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
Rohrbaugh was either sold, or went bankrupt. My guess is with bankruptcy type of situation, you eliminate the liability problem.

You only get sued if a lawyer smells money. No one sues a barber. Oh, but mention MacDonalds, or drug companies, and ever silk-suit lawyer is at your door.

Anyway, I am sure Remington wanted to assume any old liabilities of Rohrbaugh. Be nice to hear from someone on repair work. There is a lot of tweaking to an LC9, and I wonder if any gunsmith is really trained in the gun
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: DDGator on September 10, 2014, 10:58:36 PM

As stated previously, there was no bankruptcy. 

I won't take the lawyer comments personally, since I have never owned a silk suit.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & close to warranty resolution ...I hope : )
Post by: backupr9 on September 11, 2014, 10:59:56 AM
I must admit that I have numerous lawyers in my family...as a physician I am considered the "white sheep" of the family  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: JoshA on September 11, 2014, 12:57:59 PM
👋 schmak to da face 👋

Remington Support
Service Ticket Response

Mr. Axxxxxx:


I have spoke with Dan Cox regarding your pistol and he informed me that at this time the Rohrbaugh Firearm Co. is being restructured and has moved out of New York. They are working on establishing one of our premier repair centers to take the repair and warranty issues with the pistols. Dan has not forgotten about you and will contact you once the infrastructure has been put in place. We do apologize for the delay in getting your pistol fixed, but once everything has been ironed out with how things are going to be delegated we will get your pistol in for the repairs needed.



Thank you and best regards,
Remington Customer Service

... Really?? I know I can tend to be a little bit theatrical, but I really do take this as an insult.

1) I've been waiting for months and months.

2) I get a hold of Mr. Cox FINALLY

3) he tells me you will call me in a few days and give me some information

4) he doesn't 

5) I reach out again

6) he sent me an email and tell me it will only be a few more days

7) he doesn't

8) I reach out again, again and again

9) I'm ignored again, again and again

10) I get this guy at warranty center on the 500th (maybe I'm exaggerating) phone call who actually sounds like he cares and says he will climb the tree to see what he can find out

11) I get a polite, piece of junk letter that doesn't even have somebody's name on it in return

I'm sorry Remington, but you folks are not impressive at all as it pertains to this Rohrbaugh transaction
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: tracker on September 11, 2014, 02:19:02 PM

Lip service has never been a good substitute for customer service. I think the long and short of this issue is that they just don't have their arms wrapped around a solution yet and that is the reason for the tap dance and slow walk.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: bobsmith on September 12, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
Does Remington have a premier product?  I was 15 when I bought my only Remington product and it was about $270 for a bolt action.

I didn't even get an email or return phone call from them, so you're getting further than I did.   
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: DDGator on September 12, 2014, 02:47:10 PM
Does Remington have a premier product?  I was 15 when I bought my only Remington product and it was about $270 for a bolt action.

I didn't even get an email or return phone call from them, so you're getting further than I did.

Depending on how old you are, that could be a pretty hefty price for a bolt action rifle!   :D

I would say Remington makes some pretty darn nice rifles.  And the 870 is a fantastic shotgun.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: JoshA on September 12, 2014, 03:38:14 PM
I understand your reply Duane.

I was trying to be careful not to throw the whole company under the bus, but rather point out that this handling of the rohrbaugh component is just really absurd.

I think people need to be warned about how this company is really negligent on taking care of people and their firearms. Who can't return a phone call in a few days when they said they would? Who can't get warranty information out when your voicemail says it will? Who can't at least have the decency to update the voicemail? Who is going to ignore multiple personal voicemails and emails only to respond with a trite "I will get back with you in a few days" email and then break that commitment too? Incredulous.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: DDGator on September 12, 2014, 04:17:17 PM

I don't disagree.  I was just saying that historically Remington has produced some good guns.  It is their more recent events that lead me to wonder what is going on up there...

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: bobsmith on September 15, 2014, 02:55:41 PM
Historically might be the key word here?  I've got an old model 700 and some of those are classics now.  I'm not sure about the current products though.  Nothing really comes to mind I'd like to own.  I've been buying CZ rifles for the last 10 years and the quality and features are way above what you get from Remington. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: tracker on September 15, 2014, 03:19:21 PM
Also, their reputation in rifle manufacturing took quite a body blow recently from defective triggers. The following news release from the high profile personal injury attorney Mark Lanier summarizes the situation that has existed for quite a few years.


http://www.lanierlawfirm.com/law_firm_news/remington-rifle-lawsuit.htm


Additionally, this is an updated press release on this issue from July 08, 2014 that implies a class action settlement has been reached:

http://helenair.com/news/local/remington-to-settle-lawsuits-over-rifle-s-trigger-mechanism/article_1a7c33ee-065b-11e4-8108-001a4bcf887a.html
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: DDGator on September 15, 2014, 04:00:49 PM

"Historically" was a carefully chosen word...

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: C0untZer0 on September 15, 2014, 08:03:45 PM
This is making me NOT want to buy a Versa Max Tactical :)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: MRC on September 16, 2014, 10:51:52 AM
One reason that I believe could be for the delay in warranty service of the R9’s is that Remington/Para are still analyzing the current design for anything that they determine unsafe or something that they feel needs changed to fit their production and sales capabilities.

Let’s face it; Rohrbaugh has done some things that other manufacturers would not have done.  Before everyone jumps on me, I feel that the R9 is a “safe” firearm or I would not have bought two of them.  With an overabundance of Lawyers chasing too few dollars, being a “safe” firearm is no longer enough, it must be “fool proof” also to avoid litigation.

If Remington/Para repairs Josh’s R9 without making the changes that they may deem necessary later on and returning it to him, they leave themselves wide open if trouble develops down the road.

I personally feel that there will be a lot of changes if Remington/Para ever decides to re-release the R9.  It is beginning to look like that may never occur to me.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: tracker on September 16, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
I think it is safe to say that their legal department is in a trigger unhappy condition at the present time.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: guncats on September 16, 2014, 08:23:00 PM
One reason that I believe could be for the delay in warranty service of the R9’s is that Remington/Para are still analyzing the current design for anything that they determine unsafe or something that they feel needs changed to fit their production and sales capabilities.

Let’s face it; Rohrbaugh has done some things that other manufacturers would not have done.  Before everyone jumps on me, I feel that the R9 is a “safe” firearm or I would not have bought two of them.  With an overabundance of Lawyers chasing too few dollars, being a “safe” firearm is no longer enough, it must be “fool proof” also to avoid litigation.

If Remington/Para repairs Josh’s R9 without making the changes that they may deem necessary later on and returning it to him, they leave themselves wide open if trouble develops down the road.

I personally feel that there will be a lot of changes if Remington/Para ever decides to re-release the R9.  It is beginning to look like that may never occur to me.

it is already a DAO, how much "safer" can it get? The R9 design has been out for a long time, if there is safety problem it should have surfaced by now.


Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & new favorite paperweight
Post by: JoshA on September 16, 2014, 09:09:17 PM
Well I guess at least we found out that their is nothing too close to working out for a R9 repair through Remington. I think they have ALOT of $ backing them. ALOT of issues from recent guns. And not ALOT of great management personally.


I think I'm gonna break the R9 out the safe and use it as a paperweight. Why not? It will make a very good looking and stylish piece on my desk. Maybe looking at it daily will motivate to find a decent local smith that could repair it. Or maybe not. Who knows?

On another note, I am blown away with the excellent service from Kahr and it actually looks like the solo is on its way back even though they said it was weeks out from repair.

Check on the updates under other guns if you care to see the recent news.



Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & lied to, ignored and now this...
Post by: MRC on September 16, 2014, 09:43:18 PM
One reason that I believe could be for the delay in warranty service of the R9’s is that Remington/Para are still analyzing the current design for anything that they determine unsafe or something that they feel needs changed to fit their production and sales capabilities.

Let’s face it; Rohrbaugh has done some things that other manufacturers would not have done.  Before everyone jumps on me, I feel that the R9 is a “safe” firearm or I would not have bought two of them.  With an overabundance of Lawyers chasing too few dollars, being a “safe” firearm is no longer enough, it must be “fool proof” also to avoid litigation.

If Remington/Para repairs Josh’s R9 without making the changes that they may deem necessary later on and returning it to him, they leave themselves wide open if trouble develops down the road.

I personally feel that there will be a lot of changes if Remington/Para ever decides to re-release the R9.  It is beginning to look like that may never occur to me.

it is already a DAO, how much "safer" can it get? The R9 design has been out for a long time, if there is safety problem it should have surfaced by now.

Who is to say that problems haven't arisen and we do not hear about them.

My two biggest concerns for the R9 would be a muzzle drop test and light hits.  Boberg's insurance carrier made him stop shipping guns with their 6 pound hammer spring as there were 4 cases in the courts concerning light hits occurring during life or death situations with pistols other than Bobergs.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & new favorite paperweight
Post by: C0untZer0 on September 16, 2014, 10:13:33 PM
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On another note, I am blown away with the excellent service from Kahr and it actually looks like the solo is on its way back even though they said it was weeks out from repair.

If you sent your Solo in to Kahr and they fixed it - that is awesome customer service.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & new favorite paperweight
Post by: BlueC2 on September 16, 2014, 10:19:57 PM
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On another note, I am blown away with the excellent service from Kahr and it actually looks like the solo is on its way back even though they said it was weeks out from repair.

If you sent your Solo in to Kahr and they fixed it - that is awesome customer service.

Josh,

Sounds like you should send the R9 to Kahr - BAM problem solved.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & new favorite paperweight
Post by: tracker on September 16, 2014, 10:37:01 PM

It is hard to keep track of all these guns and which goes where.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & new favorite paperweight
Post by: JoshA on September 16, 2014, 10:39:21 PM
 :o I should be a bit more descriptive it appears!

I already received the Kahr CW380 back.

It also looks like I am about to receive the Solo back FROM KIMBER : )

received an email from ups that said I have to sign for, but it didn't say where it was from except its in the Bronx NY as we speak. 2 lbs and 2nd day air. What else could it be? It's gotta be it. I'm kinda surprised because they said they were weeks behind.

Sorry for the confusion fellas.

9mmCWSOLO.380 by KAHMBER

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & 9mmCWSOLO.380 by KAHMBER
Post by: JoshA on September 16, 2014, 10:48:39 PM
New breed.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & 9mmCWSOLO.380 by KAHMBER
Post by: tracker on September 16, 2014, 11:27:50 PM

Yonkers is still in the Bronx, as we speak.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on September 21, 2014, 12:02:32 AM
Well I have updated both the solo review as well as the Kahr cw380 review under other guns. They seem to both have a clean bill of health since their trips to their factories.

Good little pistols.

As for the paperweight that I want to love, I will say that as I have attempted to delve behind the iron curtain of silence to get some help for 1 of 3 warranty R9's on the planet I have made some conclusions.

Let me lay them out there and see what your thoughts are...

1) whoever is running the department for the Rohrbaugh product at Remington could care less about the relationship of current Rohrbaugh owners and Remington. In fact more than not caring I think that the relationship is currently a burden that they don't even want to entertain. A negative if you will.

2) whoever this individual is is not accountable in a tangible way to his management in a way that he is held responsible for good customer relationships at least for this product.

3) although seemingly good intentioned the guy in service hit a brick wall when he attempted to look into this matter.

I really don't understand why One of the Rohrbaugh brothers could not/would not be willing to take a look at 1 or 2 warranty pistols. You would think that Remington would want them to if no one else at Remington could fix them we all know they could. Supposedly they are on staff there. Whatever they are doing you would think they would have time to repair two or three pistols.

I also don't understand why they don't care to keep the momentum of the Rohrbaugh fan base going. It seems so easy considering they just need to look at a few guns and provide us with some parts and simply give us one person as a point of contact. Even if it's to tell us that they care, they are REALLY working on it and be real about what's going on.

I think I will try to get to Dan Cox's superior. If I keep going and can't find a person who actually has a care for their customer base I think with all of the other options out there I will gladly NEVER BUY A REMINGTON PRODUCT AGAIN.

Isn't that extreme? You may ask. Seems like a perfectly sound decision in light of the complete incompetence to simply do what they say they are going to do.

I personally think they are an oversized conglomerate run amuck. If I am wrong then I invite the opportunity to be proven incorrect.

Any more suggestions? What else do you do when a particular individual in a company says they are going to look into your particular issue and they don't call or email you back? Don't you have to either accept you are just a number and you don't matter or try to get to a sensible superior with some good business sense?

So what do you guys think? Their shouldn't be anyone who cares more than the handful left on this site about the situation. So let me know. Should I accept the poor service and just hang it up until further notice from Remington or should I continue to attempt to pursue them and see what they are made of?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on September 21, 2014, 01:03:07 AM

I really don't understand why One of the Rohrbaugh brothers could not/would not be willing to take a look at 1 or 2 warranty pistols. You would think that Remington would want them to if no one else at Remington could fix them we all know they could. Supposedly they are on staff there. Doing what? Ignoring people? Wow that takes a lot of time out of your busy day.


This part raises my hackles a bit...  I don't know exactly how much the brothers can say about their employment status at Rohrbaugh.  However, they have absolutely no authority to do anything on Remington's behalf.  They have no access to the factory, and aren't exactly walking the halls at Remington.  As best I can tell, they are (or were) consultants who answer questions and give input when asked to do so.   I'm not sure Karl has ever set foot in the place.  You can say Remington is ignoring you, but to imply that Eric and Karl are ignoring you is completely and entirely misplaced.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: backupr9 on September 21, 2014, 09:23:17 AM
Doubt having a few people fuss over the phone will help much.  Suggest we send a petition signed by all forum members to the president/CEO of Remington.  Suggest also an article written and submitted to one of the gun magazines about the Rohrbaugh (the brothers, history of the pistol, the great service in the past, review of the pistol, and then a discussion of the buyout and the problems with lack of customer service or even customer contact) might give the company some impetus to respond.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on September 21, 2014, 09:30:22 AM
Ok Duane I see why that raised your hackles. Again a failure to articulate on my part.

The point that I was attempting to make is that the SOP on the Rohrbaugh product is to ignore and back burner things IMO.

The accusation is toward the management at Remington not the brothers. I'm relatively sure they have no idea that I even exist.

So if someone care and knew there were 2 or 3 warranty pistols out there why couldn't they simply get them to one of the brothers.

That's the heart of the position. However with attorney like keeness you found a hole in my statements that incorrectly pointed toward the brothers as running around ignoring people. Not my intention. It came out that way. Probably got twisted in my head as the rant wound up; however I hold The bros in a position of ignorance about this.

Sorry all. I can modify my statement happily, but it won't fix the quoted line Duane.

I like backup9's ideas.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on September 22, 2014, 10:10:19 AM

As a further point of clarification, I have found out that Karl and Eric have not been employed at Remington since July 2014.  They no longer have any affiliation with Remington. 

For what it is worth (which, I guess, is nothing at this point), Eric and Karl were very aware of the warranty issues and urged Remington to deal with these issues many times.  However, they had no say in that process.  Eric would certainly have handled warranty repairs on existing pistols if he had been asked or allowed to do so.



Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on September 22, 2014, 10:31:50 AM
Makes sense. Too bad. I guess that kind of indicates the direction they are pointing in.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: bobsmith on September 22, 2014, 12:05:06 PM

As a further point of clarification, I have found out that Karl and Eric have not been employed at Remington since July 2014.  They no longer have any affiliation with Remington. 

For what it is worth (which, I guess, is nothing at this point), Eric and Karl were very aware of the warranty issues and urged Remington to deal with these issues many times.  However, they had no say in that process.  Eric would certainly have handled warranty repairs on existing pistols if he had been asked or allowed to do so.

Well this raises my hackles a little.  When they could have dealt with my warranty issues they didn't.  They took days and days to get back to me in January.  They sent me out to buy different ammo and "work on my grip".  It would typically take 2-3 attempts on my part, prior to getting a return response from them.  Even after I sent them numerous photos and detailed descriptions.  My initially warranty claim was around January 2nd, 2014 and it took over a month to get an RMA from them.  Maybe close to 6 weeks, but I'm not going to dig through the old emails again.

When I finally fedex'd the pistol back to them it was refused and they "couldn't talk to anyone" due to the contract they signed.   Somehow I doubt when they closed up shop and took long vacations  these issues became important to them.     
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: Richard S on September 22, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Smith:

Heretofore I have considered your constant whining to be merely a manifestation of narcissistic self-indulgence. Now, however, you have impugned the honor and integrity of two friends of mine, the Brothers Rohrbaugh, whose character is beyond reproach.  You have crossed the line in my opinion. If it were up to me I would henceforth ban you from the Forum.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: cargaritaville on September 22, 2014, 04:50:38 PM
When my partner and I sold our business several years ago, part of the buyout was that we could not discuss anything, nothing, nada, about anything. A substantial amount of money was withheld for 1 year to guarantee this. We didn't think that anything in that part of the contract would be a problem with us. After all, saying nothing has to be easier than saying something? Right? We had to make representations and make assurances to the numerous landlords who had to approve by transferring all the store leases to the new owners, who were a huge conglomerate. We insisted that all our store managers not be touched, as they helped us grow, were all trustworthy, and were like family to us. Then reality hit. After the sale, the majority of the managers quit because of the new corporate culture. The landlords were forced into rent concessions and a few of the stores were simply shut down because of landlords not giving in. Charities that depended on us for food at the holidays were ignored…and so on. The Rohrbaughs, I'm sure sold their business with all the best of intentions. I'm sure that they emphasized what was important to them and their customers. I'm sure that they were given assurances. Now, after the fact, they must remain quiet at everything they are seeing and hearing and reading. I'm sure that it is eating them them up and going against the grain for everything they have  stood for and believed in. Now, public opinion sets in. You want to blame the Rohrbaughs for the current situation at the factory? What's next? Do we blame the car for a drunk driving fatality? What about the driver? Bottom line…If you want to place blame and throw stones at someone, attack the new management. Someone frustrates you from a lack of responses or hollow promises? Go above their head!  Stop your bitching and attack! attack! attack!…and above all, BobSmith... Stop Your Whining!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: bobsmith on September 22, 2014, 04:57:03 PM
Smith:

Heretofore I have considered your constant whining to be merely a manifestation of narcissistic self-indulgence. Now, however, you have impugned the honor and integrity of two friends of mine, the Brothers Rohrbaugh, whose character is beyond reproach.  You have crossed the line in my opinion. If it were up to me I would henceforth ban you from the Forum.

It's just the facts Richard. I'm sorry you find them so offensive.  In the real world when a forum is created it's a place for people to talk openly about their experiences with a product. Not everyone will have the same opinion or experience with the product or the organization.  That's how forums work in general and it's a method to get information that is unbiased on a product, or help from other members of the forum. 

What you're looking for is more of a clubhouse atmosphere. Where everyone sits around a table and shows off neat accessories or pretty new grips and talks about how it's the worlds most perfect pistol.   

 furthermore I've only posted a few times on this board in the last few months, I don't know how that's constant whining.   
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: cargaritaville on September 22, 2014, 05:33:55 PM
BBB Numbers:

Customer Complaints SummaryRead complaint details
76 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 28 closed in last 12 months
Complaint Type   Total Closed Complaints
Advertising / Sales Issues   5
Delivery Issues   4
Guarantee / Warranty Issues   11
Problems with Product / Service   56
Billing / Collection Issues   0
Total Closed Complaints   76
- See more at: http://www.bbb.org/greensboro/business-reviews/manufacturers-and-producers/remington-arms-company-in-madison-nc-4004906#sthash.hfmitXmR.dpuf

*** Maybe the only way to deal with them right now is to use the BBB which is bad for their PR.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: tracker on September 22, 2014, 06:44:41 PM
The BBB may be the only option left although it is not a very effective one. If the R-51 pistol disaster and the 700 rifle trigger malfunctions haven't put everyone on notice there isn't much we can do. Correct me if I am wrong but I haven't seen a press release from Remington that states they now own Rohrbaugh. What ever their intentions it seems like all of these other issues have put the R9 on the back burner.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: C0untZer0 on September 22, 2014, 07:58:40 PM
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As a further point of clarification, I have found out that Karl and Eric have not been employed at Remington since July 2014.  They no longer have any affiliation with Remington. 


That is depressing.

I thought the Rohrbaughs would be around to get their production line up and running and to do knowledge transfer.

But they aren't and won't be.

Just looking at the R51 debacle, I don't think Remington knows how to make guns.  BTW, making a functioning 1911 (a design that is over 100 years old) - does not count.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: Douglas on September 22, 2014, 09:11:17 PM
I wonder, do you think the brothers could open a custom 'smith shop maintaining, repairing, upgrading R9s; outside of the parent corporate structure?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: MRC on September 22, 2014, 09:20:12 PM
I wonder, do you think the brothers could open a custom 'smith shop maintaining, repairing, upgrading R9s; outside of the parent corporate structure?


I would think a non-compete agreement was part of the purchase price, but who knows.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: tracker on September 22, 2014, 09:21:42 PM
If that were the case it would be the first time in a recent corporate purchase contract. At the very least there would be a "covenant not to compete" clause for a number of years which would prohibit the Rohrbaughs from any involvement in the product or any similar endeavor.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: Douglas on September 22, 2014, 10:02:51 PM
Fair enough, but would opening a custom smith shop be competing?

There's a world full of people modd'ing S&W revolvers, 1911s, Glocks, Corvettes, etc. They're not manufacturing guns/cars/whatever. You can't go to them instead of Remington/Chevrolet to buy one...

Who knows what the deal says? Maybe they simply couldn't, nothing to be done. -But Id sure like to see it.  8)
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: tracker on September 22, 2014, 10:27:59 PM
The covenant not to compete, if any, would directly single out the Rohrbaughs and key employees. My wife's cousin's company was purchased some years ago and he signed a non compete clause for 5 years. Five years later he purchased the company that bought his at a substantial discount. His new company is still in business.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: Douglas on September 22, 2014, 10:38:55 PM
So, "be patient" is what I'm taking from that.  ;D

My wife has a non-compete at her job, but I honestly don't know what the technicalities of it are. I suspect the lawyers have been fairly thorough.  :-X
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on September 23, 2014, 10:03:35 AM

Well this raises my hackles a little.  When they could have dealt with my warranty issues they didn't. 


Actually, this is not "just the facts."  This is a personal attack on my friends, which I have asked you not to do.  This issue has been addressed earlier.  The plant was already in a shutting down mode on Jan. 2.  At some point, Eric and Karl were instructed by Remington not to accept pistols anymore.  You "finally" sent yours after that date and there was no choice but to refuse it.

The fact is that your warranty problems occured at a very bad time.  You got caught in the transition.  Not your fault, of course.  However, you continue to assign blame and impunge character of my friends by saying they ignored you, or duped you into some delay so they wouldn't have to deal with you.  Those are not the facts and I am getting tired of hearing your characterization of the facts.

While we openly discuss issues with R-9s on this forum, it is not on open forum to say anything you want.  This is a gathering place for Rohrbaugh enthusiasts.  We try to disseminate information and help people with problems.  However, I won't tolerate your unfounded attacks on Karl or Eric.  This is a final, public warning to stop.  You have said your piece on this issue and I am done with it.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on September 23, 2014, 10:07:48 AM
I wonder, do you think the brothers could open a custom 'smith shop maintaining, repairing, upgrading R9s; outside of the parent corporate structure?

As others have noted, Karl and Eric are subject to a non-compete agreement and cannot do this for a number of years.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on September 29, 2014, 09:50:16 PM
In light of DDGator's other post on the news about up and coming warranty I have decided to sit tight until Thanksgiving. If I still feel like a turkey then I will get back to pursuing the matter with Dans superior if I can find one.

Thanks for the help in figuring this out fellas.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: cargaritaville on September 30, 2014, 09:00:08 AM
I talked to Dan…he is it. In fact, this is not even what he does. He said that this kind of got dropped on him. He is on the road all the time…outside sales. He has nothing to do with warranty work for anything but Rohrbaugh. I tried to go above him while I was digging throughout Remington. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE ever heard of Rohrbaugh, could spell it, or knew anything that I was talking about…scary.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: backupr9 on September 30, 2014, 09:28:25 AM
Perhaps time for some letters to gun magazines, re:  "What is wrong with Remington:  700 trigger, then the R51, and now the Rohrbaugh fiasco" and some explanation about the latter?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: MRC on September 30, 2014, 09:37:26 AM
Perhaps time for some letters to gun magazines, re:  "What is wrong with Remington:  700 trigger, then the R51, and now the Rohrbaugh fiasco" and some explanation about the latter?

The Freedom Group still is a big chunk of advertising dollars and the magazines will be very leery of what the print.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on September 30, 2014, 10:10:15 AM

Most print magazines are very beholden to advertisers, including Freedom Group.

The other problems with Remington lately are well known and beaten to death.  Whether anyone cares about the tiny swath of Rohrbaugh customers left out in the cold is probably questionable.    :-\
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on September 30, 2014, 11:21:50 AM
So what would be another approach if they don't come through in a timely manner?

What about a letter to the president or CEO of the company complementing the purchase of one of the most unique handguns ever created with a very loyal following? Then getting signatures of most people of this site on it? It could even be sent from home to home by the person who received it one at a time to put real ink on it :) there could be some mention of warranty somewhere craftily mentioned in a way that could be inspiring.

If or something this doesn't work I won't be buying Remington for a loooooooong time personally. Just me.

This was partially someone else's idea. Can't remember who, but perhaps a stroke of genius. Probably tracker. I would personally pay for $100 toward the postage to mail the piece of paper to all of the forum members if it sounds smart. Not sure how many forum members there are, may need numerous pieces of paper being mailed around.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on September 30, 2014, 11:41:41 AM

I thought someone called a truce until Thanksgiving?   ;)

I don't personally think that the value of a "petition" or other document with other blue ink signatures is worth the time and hassle of distributing something by snail mail.  Plus, I bet you wind up with only a handful when it is all said and done.

I think that a nice, professionally written letter to the President might be helpful.  It would be best if it could be delivered Fed Ex overnight or the equivalent.  Overnight packages get much higher priority treatment and are more likely to reach their destination.

I also think there are other alternatives to complain outside the company itself--like the BBB, the North Carolina attorney general's consumer protection unit, etc.  Those among us who have actual, existing warranty claims have legal rights against the company.  The rest of us are kind of on the sidelines for now.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: bobsmith on September 30, 2014, 01:49:45 PM
So what would be another approach if they don't come through in a timely manner?

What about a letter to the president or CEO of the company complementing the purchase of one of the most unique handguns ever created with a very loyal following? Then getting signatures of most people of this site on it? It could even be sent from home to home by the person who received it one at a time to put real ink on it :) there could be some mention of warranty somewhere craftily mentioned in a way that could be inspiring.

If or something this doesn't work I won't be buying Remington for a loooooooong time personally. Just me.

This was partially someone else's idea. Can't remember who, but perhaps a stroke of genius. Probably tracker. I would personally pay for $100 toward the postage to mail the piece of paper to all of the forum members if it sounds smart. Not sure how many forum members there are, may need numerous pieces of paper being mailed around.

Thoughts?

Do they have any proven track record of repairing guns purchased 2nd hand, that would not be eligible for warranty work?  My guess is that you will never get a warranty repair approved by them since you are NOT the original purchaser of the firearm.  I think you're SOL Josh, but I could be wrong.  Don't pour good money after bad money is my advice.   

I'd take the thing all apart and list it here and gun broker / ebay instead. Someone will want a slide or spare barrel.  Wash your hands of it in 30 days and move on with your life. 

I'm temped to do this and I have a valid claim as the original purchaser of the firearm.

In the past I had some very high sales on items sold on ebay that are allowed. 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=444640628

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rohrbaugh-Factory-Hard-Plastic-Handgun-Case-Made-By-Royal-Case-Co-/351178549474?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51c3df68e2

 

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on September 30, 2014, 02:38:16 PM
Do they have any proven track record of repairing guns purchased 2nd hand, that would not be eligible for warranty work?  My guess is that you will never get a warranty repair approved by them since you are NOT the original purchaser of the firearm.  I think you're SOL Josh, but I could be wrong.  Don't pour good money after bad money is my advice.   


I may have missed this fact, or forgotten...  Josh, if you are not the original owner, I do think you could have a serious problem.  While Rohrbaugh wasn't very strict about policing this issue before the sale, I don't know the same will be true of Remington.

Warranty repair (and, perhaps replacments) is going to be expensive for them.  I can see them honoring the claims they have to honor, but I would suspect they may not honor claims for which they have an "out." 

As an example, Smith & Wesson is very good about repairing their guns no matter who owns it.  However, if you try to make a warranty claim on an old gun for which they don't have parts and you are clearly not the original owner--chances are your claim will be denied.  S&W and many companies are generous with their warranty repairs, but only until the point it starts to hurt...  Remington may well decide there is going to be no latittude on guns that pre-date their acquisition, and no one could really blame them for it.

I guess we will see.  I hope I am wrong.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: cargaritaville on September 30, 2014, 03:51:43 PM
BobSmith: I think you hit the nail on the head…you are not R9 material. I agree with you wholeheartedly, but not because of your problems and dislike of the R9, but because of you not being a team player. Anyone that attempts to sell a Rohrbaugh magazine for $150.00 on Gunbroker or anywhere…especially on this forum…is taking advantage of an unfortunate situation. I bet you thought about buying a truckload of generators from Home Depot far from where Hurricane Sandy hit, and then bringing them to the disaster scene for 4 times what you paid for them, and then justified your actions by thinking you were providing a service. In a recent thread, a member needed a magazine in order to shoot his R9, as his came without one. I notified him of one on GunBroker for $42.00. It sold, but i do not know if he bought it. Another member posted that he was looking for a Rohrbaugh .380. One was found for him, and he purchased it for a reasonable price. There are many more examples of members helping members on this forum on a daily basis. You do not fit into this category.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: bobsmith on September 30, 2014, 04:57:30 PM
BobSmith: I think you hit the nail on the head…you are not R9 material. I agree with you wholeheartedly, but not because of your problems and dislike of the R9, but because of you not being a team player. Anyone that attempts to sell a Rohrbaugh magazine for $150.00 on Gunbroker or anywhere…especially on this forum…is taking advantage of an unfortunate situation. I bet you thought about buying a truckload of generators from Home Depot far from where Hurricane Sandy hit, and then bringing them to the disaster scene for 4 times what you paid for them, and then justified your actions by thinking you were providing a service. In a recent thread, a member needed a magazine in order to shoot his R9, as his came without one. I notified him of one on GunBroker for $42.00. It sold, but i do not know if he bought it. Another member posted that he was looking for a Rohrbaugh .380. One was found for him, and he purchased it for a reasonable price. There are many more examples of members helping members on this forum on a daily basis. You do not fit into this category.

Seriously... I don't get your hostility on this issue, but I'm done getting worked up over pissy remarks from members on this site.  That's not my mag anyway. Just showing an example. I tried to give him another option on what to do with a broken gun.  Another forum member is offering to buy them up at $500 a piece which would be about 30% of what I've put into mine.  Did he get any heat for that? 

Anyway..  Sell it broken dirt cheap, part it out, pay for a repair attempt knowing no parts are around.  Got anything else for us besides nagging on Remington for a repair they aren't obligated to even make? 




Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: bobsmith on September 30, 2014, 05:25:52 PM
Do they have any proven track record of repairing guns purchased 2nd hand, that would not be eligible for warranty work?  My guess is that you will never get a warranty repair approved by them since you are NOT the original purchaser of the firearm.  I think you're SOL Josh, but I could be wrong.  Don't pour good money after bad money is my advice.   


I may have missed this fact, or forgotten...  Josh, if you are not the original owner, I do think you could have a serious problem.  While Rohrbaugh wasn't very strict about policing this issue before the sale, I don't know the same will be true of Remington.

Warranty repair (and, perhaps replacments) is going to be expensive for them.  I can see them honoring the claims they have to honor, but I would suspect they may not honor claims for which they have an "out." 

As an example, Smith & Wesson is very good about repairing their guns no matter who owns it.  However, if you try to make a warranty claim on an old gun for which they don't have parts and you are clearly not the original owner--chances are your claim will be denied.  S&W and many companies are generous with their warranty repairs, but only until the point it starts to hurt...  Remington may well decide there is going to be no latittude on guns that pre-date their acquisition, and no one could really blame them for it.

I guess we will see.  I hope I am wrong.

Exactly.  From what I've observed a lot of the lemons got sold on down the road when they don't work.  Many people just suggested I sell mine like it was SOP to sell a gun that wouldn't cycle.  Who knows how many times they get passed around.  I bet they don't end up having to service many guns and this is why they will just contract out the repairs, rather than do it in house.  Sounds like most R9s work great for the owners and the lemons used to get sorted by Eric and Karl, so there might not be a ton of valid claims that come in.

They bought a model brand and some R&D for what's likely pennies on the dollar of what they would pay to create a model brand.   
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on September 30, 2014, 05:55:49 PM

They bought a model brand and some R&D for what's likely pennies on the dollar of what they would pay to create a model brand.   

I think this is likely true.  I just wonder what they are going to do with it.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on September 30, 2014, 07:42:29 PM
As for taking the gun apart and selling it piece by piece for a loss... In the end it would be the smarter way to go Bob, but I'm not good at losing. Your idea makes sense, BUT

I've made so much lemonade I've almost learned to like it. There is just something in me that doesn't know when to say uncle when I get a sour deal.

So I will be patient and wait and wait and look for the right opportunity to get mine repaired. Maybe a smith or something and get it working well and either sell it or safe queen it or pocket it, but I hate taking the loss. It's the principal of the thing even though I've lost more just squawking on here about it in time and energy.

As for being out of warranty, I will see what they say. I do have the warranty card for what it's worth. Who knows, perhaps I'll get some grace for all of the waiting and horsing around. Not holding my breath, but just hoping.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on September 30, 2014, 07:48:55 PM

I thought someone called a truce until Thanksgiving?   ;)

I'M STILL GOOD UNTIL THANKSGIVING :)

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on October 01, 2014, 09:54:33 AM
I do have the warranty card for what it's worth.

This could be your ace in the hole...
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on October 02, 2014, 09:21:15 PM
How much of an Ace?

Is enough of an ace that I should press the warrantee obligation card?

Or is it a little bit softer than that since I am not the original owner and should therefore just bide my time and wait?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: cargaritaville on October 02, 2014, 09:27:41 PM
Are you saying that the original warranty card was never filled out and sent in to Rohrbaugh?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on October 02, 2014, 09:51:49 PM
Are you saying that the original warranty card was never filled out and sent in to Rohrbaugh?

Yes.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: cargaritaville on October 02, 2014, 09:55:05 PM
I think you're in good shape…maybe/hopefully.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on October 02, 2014, 10:15:00 PM
I hope so.

Duane, do you still think it would be best to hold tight til Thanksgiving?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: bamboobob on October 02, 2014, 11:48:49 PM
IMO
You should send a humors letter every week or two, skip some during holidays (tell them so)
Begging for help...
Maybe -  Return receipt     or   --- Boss.   ---   on occasion.
Patiently wait or spent   $$$

Most of all - buy a another  w / card     and testing first    LOL    But seriously  You will love it.
   
What about parts for Forum Members
           
            Mag catch ++
            Extractor  ? ? ?   You.     BobSmith --? ? ?
            other parts?



       
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on October 03, 2014, 07:01:22 AM
Thanks for the ideas Bamboobob. I may consider going one of those routes.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on October 03, 2014, 07:02:41 AM
I think you're in good shape…maybe/hopefully.

Thanks for the hopeful opinion cargaritaville.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on October 03, 2014, 10:40:31 AM

Josh -- I supect your chances of getting warranty service with the original warranty card are pretty good.  In those circumstances, they may never ask if you are the original owner.  If they do ask -- then I guess you have a moral dilemma.

The waiting was just for your own mental health since there may be a system avaiable soon regardless of what you do.  However, I don't see any reason you have to wait.  You have waited a long time already.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on October 03, 2014, 10:23:44 PM
Mental health is a good thing. Gotcha. I'll wait til thanksgiving. Thanks sir.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: guncats on October 05, 2014, 02:20:31 PM
IMO
You should send a humors letter every week or two, skip some during holidays (tell them so)
Begging for help...
Maybe -  Return receipt     or   --- Boss.   ---   on occasion.
Patiently wait or spent   $$$

Most of all - buy a another  w / card     and testing first    LOL    But seriously  You will love it.
   
What about parts for Forum Members
           
            Mag catch ++
            Extractor  ? ? ?   You.     BobSmith --? ? ?
            other parts?



     

for me it will be a spare firing pin and hammer spring. I do want the firing pin to be original Rohrbaugh production machined pin though, who knows what kind of MIM parts Remington might use in the Rem version.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: DDGator on October 06, 2014, 04:29:25 PM

If we are still talking about the .380, I don't think you have much worry about a cracked frame.  The 9mm pushes the limits of this design, the .380 ACP does not.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & HELP ME MAKE A DECISION PLEASE
Post by: JoshA on October 06, 2014, 04:37:16 PM

     
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for me it will be a spare firing pin and hammer spring. I do want the firing pin to be original Rohrbaugh production machined pin though, who knows what kind of MIM parts Remington might use in the Rem version.
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I feel the same dilemma. The last thing I want is to end up with a cracked frame and have to send it in and get a Remorhrbaugh R9. 

I should have hit the quote button The first time Duane. Sorry.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: JoshA on October 14, 2014, 07:33:25 PM
Things are looking hopeful!! Thanks for the info Maddog.

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7484.0

Maybe I will get to see how great a reliable R9 is by Christmas : )
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: JoshA on November 10, 2014, 04:04:00 PM
Well I had a shipping label sent to me today from the guys at Williams. Things went smooth as silk so far.

Everyone was very friendly and accommodating.

I will look forward to hearing back from them when they get the R9 in their hands.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: backupr9 on November 10, 2014, 07:27:31 PM
Darn it....this almost makes me wish one of my R9's had a problem so I could get in on this deal.  Things really are looking up!
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: JoshA on November 10, 2014, 09:58:24 PM
Darn it....this almost makes me wish one of my R9's had a problem so I could get in on this deal.  Things really are looking up!

Well ya might want to run a couple hundred rounds of Tulammo through one and not clean it. That ought to be a good start Backup. Then maybe some +P+. Just 100 rounds. You will want to do it all in rapid succession so the little gun can't get a good chance to cool down. After a good Carpul tunnel therepy session you should be able to fill out the form to send it in.

Hey maybe it will be there at the same time as mine. That would be neat. Kinda like a blood brother thing ya know.

Haha. Sorry I couldn't resist.

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: wildmanwill on November 10, 2014, 10:03:04 PM
Josh - I believe you said you had a blank warranty card that had never been sent to the old factory - so I'm curious, is this repair being performed under warranty?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: JoshA on November 10, 2014, 10:13:21 PM
Josh - I believe you said you had a blank warranty card that had never been sent to the old factory - so I'm curious, is this repair being performed under warranty?

I am not 100% sure at this point Wildmanwill.

They just called Remington to get authorization and then said that they would send a label to me so I didn't have to pay for shipping. I count that as a good indicater that they are covering it, but don't want to count any chickens prior to hatching. Hope so. Nothing was stated about payment yet.

Oh, and nothing was asked about the warranty card... yet FYI.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: backupr9 on November 11, 2014, 08:13:21 AM
Darn it....this almost makes me wish one of my R9's had a problem so I could get in on this deal.  Things really are looking up!

Well ya might want to run a couple hundred rounds of Tulammo through one and not clean it. That ought to be a good start Backup. Then maybe some +P+. Just 100 rounds. You will want to do it all in rapid succession so the little gun can't get a good chance to cool down. After a good Carpul tunnel therepy session you should be able to fill out the form to send it in.

Hey maybe it will be there at the same time as mine. That would be neat. Kinda like a blood brother thing ya know.

Haha. Sorry I couldn't resist.

Good advice Josh but, hech, that's what Solos are for.  We are all rooting for you and your R9 to have a great experience this time.
John
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: JoshA on November 11, 2014, 09:52:13 AM
Darn it....this almost makes me wish one of my R9's had a problem so I could get in on this deal.  Things really are looking up!

Well ya might want to run a couple hundred rounds of Tulammo through one and not clean it. That ought to be a good start Backup. Then maybe some +P+. Just 100 rounds. You will want to do it all in rapid succession so the little gun can't get a good chance to cool down. After a good Carpul tunnel therepy session you should be able to fill out the form to send it in.

Hey maybe it will be there at the same time as mine. That would be neat. Kinda like a blood brother thing ya know.

Haha. Sorry I couldn't resist.

Good advice Josh but, hech, that's what Solos are for.  We are all rooting for you and your R9 to have a great experience this time.
John

Haha. Touché. Thanks a lot for the advice and encouragement along the way.

Also bought another stealth from Cargarittaville upon the strong sentiments and confidence of the forum members. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: tracker on November 11, 2014, 07:42:18 PM

On the other hand backupr9 could just ship it through IND for the full treatment and save himself some aggravation.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: JoshA on November 11, 2014, 07:46:18 PM
What idiot would treat such a fine piece in such a horrendous way? Lol!!! Ouch. Well that was well deserved. Haha.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: backupr9 on November 11, 2014, 08:24:32 PM

On the other hand backupr9 could just ship it through IND for the full treatment and save himself some aggravation.

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: JoshA on November 11, 2014, 10:36:49 PM
I'm laughing. Funny stuff.  ;D that was quite a nice delivery Tracker.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: JoshA on November 12, 2014, 11:47:24 PM
The shipping label came in today. R9 ships to MI tomorrow.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: JoshA on November 19, 2014, 05:27:56 PM
Slight delay. Took it to ups and they won't ship it unless it's aN air tag. Well Williams sent a ground shipment tag, so I just received the new tag today... Maybe I will be able to ship it tomorrow : )
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: backupr9 on November 19, 2014, 10:42:31 PM
Supposed to be overnight air USPO  I thought but could be wrong.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT & THINGS ARE L👀KING ⬆️
Post by: JoshA on November 23, 2014, 10:22:20 PM
Shipped on Friday. They sent a next day air tag for UPS. EXCITED TO SEE IF WE GET 2, 100% R9's Now that I purchased the stealth from cargarittavile.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: JoshA on December 02, 2014, 11:20:08 AM
Well I called Williams today to make sure that they had received the gun ok and see what an ETA may be.

Alex answered in service and reported that the R9 was already repaired and on its way back with a new ejector. Ran all test ammo with 0 FTE : )

Well needless to say I am impressed and hope to be equally impressed when I get the first opportunity to fire the little dude.

Great job Alex and Williams!!

He said mine was the first Rohrbaugh he had seen in for warranty and I told him there was really only 1 other guy with issues on the forum that in knew of.

So here is a shout out to old bobsmith, if you are still out there send that pup in. They will take good care of you IMO.

They also said they had tons of spare parts around. I ordered a spare mag and springs.

Finally, he told me they were going to be producing the Rohrbaugh again soon. Maybe Remington will have learned from some past mistakes and not screw with anything. I hear all of you guys out there. "Yeah right, they will mess it up". I guess time will tell.

Finally, finally, what do you fellas think is the best protocol to determine 100% reliability before going to the 2 mags every 1-3 months?

Should i run a box of 50 Gold dot or lawman and forget it? Is that too many? Is that too few? I normally run a few hundred to 500 through a typical defensive pistol, but we have already determined that that's not wise with the R9.

Please reply and let me know what ya think. 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: BlueC2 on December 02, 2014, 01:16:17 PM

Should i run a box of 50 Gold dot or lawman and forget it? Is that too many? Is that too few? I normally run a few hundred to 500 through a typical defensive pistol, but we have already determined that that's not wise with the R9.

Please reply and let me know what ya think.

A procedure others have used for periodic confidence building of their EDC was to get a box of 20 gold dots run 13 through at the range and save those last 7 as your carry ammo. This case is a little different since there was a problem but I wouldn't go over to the top round count wise. Maybe if you have a box of 50 shoot 43 and save the last 7 to carry after cleaning the gun. In the end your comfort level is the one that matters.

Ryan 
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: JoshA on December 02, 2014, 01:50:59 PM
Sounds good. Any other ideas?

50 max? I would be confident with 40-50 successes in a row.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: MRC on December 02, 2014, 02:29:03 PM
Josh

I have always put at least 100 rounds through a new or repaired pistol to check it out.  If there are any failures I would keep testing it.

Getting 100 rounds in a row with out a failure should be enough and I have found nearly all guns will do that with good ammo.

Good luck
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: JoshA on December 02, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
Josh

I have always put at least 100 rounds through a new or repaired pistol to check it out.  If there are any failures I would keep testing it.

Getting 100 rounds in a row with out a failure should be enough and I have found nearly all guns will do that with good ammo.

Good luck

Ok MRC. Point well put.

I have had exceptional results with SPEER Lawman 124 gr and they are supposed to duplicate 124 gold dot performance for the law community. Would you think 50 of each would be good or just run 100 gold dot in your opinion?

Still open to other opinions/input as well.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: BlueC2 on December 02, 2014, 03:55:04 PM
I would only run what you plan to carry.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: MRC on December 02, 2014, 05:28:37 PM
Josh

I have always put at least 100 rounds through a new or repaired pistol to check it out.  If there are any failures I would keep testing it.

Getting 100 rounds in a row with out a failure should be enough and I have found nearly all guns will do that with good ammo.

Good luck

Ok MRC. Point well put.

I have had exceptional results with SPEER Lawman 124 gr and they are supposed to duplicate 124 gold dot performance for the law community. Would you think 50 of each would be good or just run 100 gold dot in your opinion?

Still open to other opinions/input as well.

I agree with Ryan.  Run 100 of what you will carry and get started into another box to see if they are working also.

Shoot Lawman if you want to practice a little with the R9.  Just don't sour your assessment of the pistol by running some junk ammo through it and get failures.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: backupr9 on December 02, 2014, 07:42:11 PM
Word of advice:  don't put the hundred round thru in one shoot...take the time to let the pistol cool between mags...in a true self defense scenario you will have a cold weapon to start and will with near certainty be done one way or the other after 7 rounds.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: bamboobob on December 02, 2014, 08:06:58 PM
I think you should start with 115 gr GD's or ST's whatever you can get.   ( both work for me )
Avoid 20 rd boxes if you can / can wait  --   too much $$$
43 or 50 rds good start
Then try 2ed brand
I  may yet try 124 gr but Karl  recommends  115 ST,
My Instructor /good friend says 115 too (small gun)  and uses ST's too because of Karl
May be good to buy 100 rds or more of either or both if you do not have

ps  I want to see "I love my R9 "
ps2 pm sent on another topic
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: tracker on December 02, 2014, 09:17:04 PM

Is it possible that after 34 pages of dialogue we can see the light at the end of the tunnel of: "I want to love my Rohrbaugh....BUT also."?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: cargaritaville on December 02, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is another train coming at you......
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: BlueC2 on December 02, 2014, 09:37:43 PM
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is another train coming at you......

I agree lets not jinx poor Josh...
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: tracker on December 02, 2014, 10:52:26 PM

My most fervent wish is that they both function flawlessly.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: cargaritaville on December 02, 2014, 11:18:25 PM
Do you mean Josh and the R9, or both R9s?
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: JoshA on December 02, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
I'm chuckling.

Thanks for all of the help fellas.

I think we are likely approaching the end of the tunnel for sure. A loose ejector. Wow. Such a small deal. Reminds me of Ben Franklin ...

-Unknown[2]
The proverb is found in a number of forms, starting as early back as the 14th century:

Variation

For want of a nail the shoe was lost,
for want of a shoe the horse was lost;
and for want of a horse the rider was lost;
being overtaken and slain by the enemy,

all for want of care about a horse-shoe nail.
-Benjamin Franklin
The Way to Wealth (1758)[3]

Fortunately the loose "nail" was caught prior to the whole slaying part.

Yes Tracker, 34 pages almost to an end. Just need to test fire 50-100 rounds of 124 GD and we should be good.

bamboobob: after the last experience with the 115 WST I may stay away from them due to the hard primers. Thanks for the thought though. Maybe 115 GD or HST if I go to 115 : ) also, I will hit Ya back on the PM

Thanks everybody. Thanks Duane and co. for the great forum.

Tracker, it looks like you can finally stop reading the endless drivel precipitating from my keypad ...




On this post at least : )

Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: JoshA on December 02, 2014, 11:34:46 PM
Word of advice:  don't put the hundred round thru in one shoot...take the time to let the pistol cool between mags...in a true self defense scenario you will have a cold weapon to start and will with near certainty be done one way or the other after 7 rounds.

I remember you recommending this to me once before backup. I did it then and I will do it again. Thanks for the reminder. I will space the mags out to create a more realistic defensive scenario. I may perform a reload and run 2 mags at a time though since i typically carry a spare mag. I know it's a bit extreme since most exchanges only fire off less than 7 rounds per side, but I will practice what I carry for at least.

Thanks.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: JR956678 on December 03, 2014, 06:43:10 AM
bamboobob: after the last experience with the 115 WST I may stay away from them due to the hard primers. Thanks for the thought though. Maybe 115 GD or HST if I go to 115 : ) also, I will hit Ya back on the PM

Some of the best news I've read recently; the only thing better would be to hear that your pup is once again happy and reliable for you.

Back when I first got mine the 115gr GD or Winchester Silvertip was a common carry round and I always liked the GD and it was always reliable. I would buy 50 round boxes (the LE packaging) if I could get them and if I could only get the 20 round packaging I'd buy several boxes at the same time to try and get the same lot number. I would always run a couple of magazines of each lot number before considering that lot to be good which is why the 50 round package was preferable.
Title: Re: I want to love my Rohrbaugh... BUT also... R9 IS ON ITS WAY! Good job Williams!
Post by: JoshA on December 04, 2014, 10:44:18 AM
bamboobob: after the last experience with the 115 WST I may stay away from them due to the hard primers. Thanks for the thought though. Maybe 115 GD or HST if I go to 115 : ) also, I will hit Ya back on the PM

Some of the best news I've read recently; the only thing better would be to hear that your pup is once again happy and reliable for you.

Back when I first got mine the 115gr GD or Winchester Silvertip was a common carry round and I always liked the GD and it was always reliable. I would buy 50 round boxes (the LE packaging) if I could get them and if I could only get the 20 round packaging I'd buy several boxes at the same time to try and get the same lot number. I would always run a couple of magazines of each lot number before considering that lot to be good which is why the 50 round package was preferable.

Thanks for the tip JR956678! Sounds smart.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 09, 2014, 01:48:00 PM
34 down, 66 to go.

Ran great!

I did let it cool between mags FYI.

So far so good.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: backupr9 on December 09, 2014, 03:15:32 PM
Nice...that is one flashy lookin' R9!  Glad it works as good as it looks.

We just got back from 6 weeks in Florida...hope to get to the range this weekend although snow is predicted tonight.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: tracker on December 09, 2014, 06:31:04 PM

Good on you, Josh. Which ammo did you use on the 34 rounds?
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 09, 2014, 07:50:21 PM

Good on you, Josh. Which ammo did you use on the 34 rounds?

Thanks Tracker. I used 124 gr Gold Dot.

Also of note, I shot the last 5 rounds one handed (strong hand).

It was ringing steel with ease at 30 ft. Very happy with today's session.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 09, 2014, 07:50:49 PM
Nice...that is one flashy lookin' R9!  Glad it works as good as it looks.

We just got back from 6 weeks in Florida...hope to get to the range this weekend although snow is predicted tonight.

Thanks Backup
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: tracker on December 09, 2014, 08:02:44 PM

The more I look at that pup it looks like it was custom designed for a dude with a wide brim hat, Dogg Pound sunglasses, and Fiesso shoes. ;D
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 09, 2014, 08:34:07 PM

The more I look at that pup it looks like it was custom designed for a dude with a wide brim hat, Dogg Pound sunglasses, and Fiesso shoes. ;D

Grinning as I text tracker. I don't even know what dog pound glasses or fiesso shoes are, but I will find out and when I do I will understand the depths of the compliment paid 😎 Thank you!
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: tracker on December 09, 2014, 08:54:37 PM

Prego!

Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 09, 2014, 10:48:09 PM
Lol!! Fiesso shoes Eh?

I may have to trade in the daily red wing, carhart hat and oakleys selection for your upgraded personal favorites. Hilarious!

This truly makes me wonder... Who are you tracker? What kind of fellow replies in Italian, has intimate knowledges of wack boots such as Fiesso and dogg pound glasses. Are you a member of the Illuminati?

Thanks for the good laugh. : )
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: tracker on December 10, 2014, 08:51:54 PM

Only the shadow knows................
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: cargaritaville on December 10, 2014, 09:50:04 PM
Illuminati?????...... Josh, I think that you have been inhaling the fumes coming out from one too many wells!
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: tracker on December 10, 2014, 10:03:02 PM



Lamen of Ordo Templi Orientis.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh... And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 10, 2014, 10:59:29 PM
Illuminati?????...... Josh, I think that you have been inhaling the fumes coming out from one too many wells!

This is likely true.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 12, 2014, 08:11:03 PM
Looking forward to running another 33 rounds through each of the R9's next week hopefully.

I imagine we are getting closer to HIGH levels of confidence in the R9 platform.

Also, lovin the new (to me) sig 239 in .357 sig!!!

Great (but slightly heavy) sidearm in an amazing round IMHO.

Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: cargaritaville on December 12, 2014, 08:17:31 PM
Lamen of Ordo Templi Orientis.
Tracker: I had 4 long years of Latin at the High School I went to!
perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: tracker on December 12, 2014, 08:41:35 PM

Tempus fugit.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 12, 2014, 09:25:36 PM
I had 12 years of igPa atinLa in the public school system in IL.

Does that count for anything?
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: tracker on December 12, 2014, 09:28:22 PM
Yes indeed; pig latin will count toward a H.S. diploma.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 12, 2014, 09:31:55 PM
I figured they did because that's about all I was good at and I did graduate.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: tracker on December 12, 2014, 09:42:40 PM

The important thing is that you put IL in your rear view mirror, which shows above average intelligence.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 22, 2014, 07:49:44 PM
Well I ran another 25 rounds through the repaired R9.

I had one FTE out of a 147 gr gold dot.

Not sure why, but I am encouraged that so far it's only 1 out of 59 and not 1 out 15.

The testing goes on. Perhaps I shouldn't have switched to 147, but it's what I had in gold dot. I thought it would have been fine. Rats.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: tracker on December 22, 2014, 07:51:18 PM

I thought you decided to go with 124 gr.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 22, 2014, 07:55:49 PM

I thought you decided to go with 124 gr.

Modified the post. I only had 147. Did I mess up the mojo?
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: tracker on December 22, 2014, 08:00:47 PM

I don't know but some of the forum members here who used the 147 went back to the 124. I just think this pistol requires a high level of consistency to ensure reliability. One FTE is nothing to be concerned about.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: JoshA on December 22, 2014, 09:57:53 PM
Agreed. I will get back to 124.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And 1st 34 round range review
Post by: backupr9 on December 22, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
My Covert eats GD124 and Federal HTC 124 without a single hiccup.  It also seems to do fine with Lawman 115 for practice (just what I have available) and has had no problems with the few 147's that I have had in the past.  I will stick with the 124 in GD or HTC.  My other R9 is presently in a gunsafe in Florida, but when last tested (new to me and not shot much) it was happy with Lawman 124 without a problem. 

Find out what your pistol likes; use it!  TREAT IT RIGHT, HOLD IT TIGHT, CARRY LIGHT.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And now 84 round range review
Post by: JoshA on January 13, 2015, 09:24:37 PM
Well I still haven't bought any 124 GD, but I had a chance to get to the range and didn't want the opportunity to slip by to run another 25 rounds through so I ran 25 rounds of FLAWLESS 124 gr lawman.

That makes for 84 rounds with only 1 FTE.

I will hopefully find some 124 GD to finish off the test with and call the warranted R9 good.

The stealth on the other hand is going back to Williams for the lite strike issue. It looks almost new so I'm sure it is some minor little thing. Other than a few light strikes it's been great. No FTE's
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And now 84 round range review
Post by: JoshA on January 14, 2015, 03:14:30 PM
Gold dot 124 ordered last night from ammunition depot.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And now 109 round range review
Post by: JoshA on January 17, 2015, 03:17:36 PM
Well ran 25 124 grain GD today.

I cleaned it, tightened the grip screws and put some "A Grip" on the front of the grip after the last range visit. Ok this stuff is seamingly great! I look forward to see if it holds up. I am amazed at the grip and the way it softened the recoil for me in combination with the mag extension.

Check out the beautiful look too. It looks like suade or velvet, but according to the inventor it wears like steel and grips better when wet by some amazing new advances.

I heard about it on nut-N-fancy. So far I'm impressed.

Now down to the review of the 25 rounds fired today...

Well I had one failure to eject, BUT it was a one hand shot. So that makes 2 failures out of 109 shots. A dramatic improvement. I admit I didn't let it cool properly and I didn't give it the appropriate death grip, so I imagine if I did a better job so would the little R9.

Me personally, I think it would be a decent pocket pistol for the rare occasion that I can't IWB carry.

What do you guys think? Do I need to be 100% out of 100, or with the compromises I made could I figure if I needed it for 7-15 rounds in a shooting situation I would be more effective? Ie: death grip and cool barrel.

Lookng for feedback please.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And now 109 round range review
Post by: tracker on January 17, 2015, 03:28:12 PM

Rather than answer your question, why don't you just run 21 rounds through it with the proper grip and a cooling  period between each magazine to simulate a carry and fire scenario as you suggested? If that exercise were flawless I would carry it with confidence.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And now 109 round range review
Post by: JoshA on January 17, 2015, 03:36:54 PM
Yes, good call. Backup9 is shaking his head as we speak. I know, I know, I know.  I just got carried away, and kinda didn't think about it. I should have done that.

I have decided to only shoot 1-2 mags at a time from here on out from this 107 out of 109 R9. It has proven that it is markedly improved and now if it keeps up with a 7-15 round successful outing every 1-3 months I am happy with it. Done deal. Decided. Finito.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S).. And now 109 round range review
Post by: JoshA on January 17, 2015, 03:44:29 PM
"A grip" and target from 7 yards.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)... BUT the ejector is loose AGAIN
Post by: JoshA on January 17, 2015, 04:38:57 PM
Well maybe this is the reason for the FTE.

I took it apart to clean after today's 25. The pics show me first holding the ejector down then up. The ejector is loose again. 109 rounds and its wiggling.

Back it goes to Williams. Bummer.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)... BUT the ejector is loose AGAIN
Post by: JoshA on January 27, 2015, 11:48:47 AM
Well the 2 tone is going back to Williams again.

The Stealth is on its way back to me.



Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)... BUT the ejector is loose AGAIN
Post by: MRC on January 27, 2015, 12:09:58 PM
Well the 2 tone is going back to Williams again.

The Stealth is on its way back to me.

Did they find anything wrong with the Stealth or do anything to it?
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)... BUT the ejector is loose AGAIN
Post by: JoshA on January 27, 2015, 12:16:10 PM
Well the 2 tone is going back to Williams again.

The Stealth is on its way back to me.

Did they find anything wrong with the Stealth or do anything to it?

Details on stealth thread MRC, but they did not. They did install an improved trigger bar that pulls a bit further as a good measure.

Ran 35 rounds. No FTE. No FTF. No light strikes. 3 ammo types of 115 gr according to Bob at Williams.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)... BUT the ejector is loose AGAIN
Post by: backupr9 on January 27, 2015, 04:43:25 PM
Josh, you are just snake-bit!  Hope is all gets fixed soon.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)... BUT the ejector is loose AGAIN
Post by: JoshA on January 27, 2015, 04:49:28 PM
Josh, you are just snake-bit!  Hope is all gets fixed soon.

I agree. It's all working out ok actually. I really think it's been forward progress even if it is a bit slow its forward progress. I'll take it : )
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)... BUT the ejector is loose AGAIN
Post by: JoshA on February 18, 2015, 11:21:58 PM
Well I received the R9 back recently and finally got a chance to run it today. I put 18 rounds through it and it was perfect. I did give it time to cool between mags and it performed great.

They did replace an extractor that was worn, but stated that the loose ejector would not be an issue with reliability.

I will continue to run mags to verify reliability I guess. Little here and there.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(s)
Post by: JoshA on February 19, 2015, 03:36:10 PM
Well I was able to chat with Eric today about having a loose ejector to verify it was not a problem and he said absolutely no issue at all. He stated that if your ejector rocks forward and back a touch there is absolutely no issue whatsoever. If it rocks left and right it is more concerning.

He said carry it with confidence now that it has Alex's 6 and my 18 flawless rounds through it.

I think I will do just that.

Oh, also Duane has this up under water cooler.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291386320628?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D291386320628%26_rdc%3D1

Looks like a neat opportunity to pick up some rare early grips! I will be watching the auction and may just pick up some unique, sweet grips : )

Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: JoshA on February 23, 2015, 06:17:56 PM
Cleaned and lubed the R9 and ran 6 gold dot 124 and 6 lawman 124 through it today and it was again flawless. That makes it 36 perfect rounds since its Latest return and only 2 failures out of 145 rounds since its original trip in.

I think we are done fiddling with this beauty.

I'm liking it. I was able to carry it the other day for the first time in a long time. It really rides good in the Milt sparks pocket carry holster.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: JoshA on February 28, 2015, 11:02:41 PM
+6 GD : )
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: ECR on March 01, 2015, 07:44:58 AM
Ha haa. . . . Hey Josh. . . . Here comes some controversy for ya;  "Stop fiddlin' with it and carry the darned thing!"   lol. 

Glad to see the ole' gal is running well again for you. I'm also glad to see that Remington has found a reputable gunsmith willing to work on the R9s for you all.
Very good to see that.   8)

Eric R.

Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: JoshA on March 01, 2015, 09:23:35 AM
That's not  controversy. Everybody on the board agrees with ya : )

It's a weaning effect if you will. Hahah. I'm down to just 6 rounds man.

Ok. I'll try hard not to shoot it for a while, but it's so good to finally get to a point where I have some confidence in it if you know what I mean? Been a long road.

Thanks for the advice : )
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: ECR on March 02, 2015, 03:29:37 PM
Yes, it has been a long road. . . . but now you have found peace Josh.

Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: cargaritaville on March 02, 2015, 06:20:09 PM
Josh and peace? Josh reminds me of that Peanuts character who always walked around with a cloud of dirt swirling around him...except that Josh has a swirl of gun powder residue swirling around him! Josh should be an independent consultant that tests firearms. If it is going to fail, he'll find a way to do it. I have talked to Josh on the phone and sold him a firearm. He is a true gentleman, and a real nice guy. I think he is entertaining, intelligent, and a true firearm lover. Most of all, he is a realist, and that is a breath of fresh air in this world today. Keep doing what you're doing Josh...you have a lot of fans.
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: JoshA on March 02, 2015, 07:56:13 PM
Good ol pig pin!!

I do tend to be a bit obsessive haha. Thanks for the nice words Norm and oh have I thanked you for the nice R9 lately? Sweet gun. Thanks sir.

I noticed you were able to make another purchase in the R9 world. Grats! Looked like a very nice package.

Yeah I do have a good sense of peace about my first R9 now. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. It's good to be able to put an end to the testing an put that bad boy in a pocket and rock it 😎

Thanks for all of the putting up with me fellas.

It's good to be part of the Rohrbaugh forum. Good place IMO 👍
Title: Re: I'm beginning to love my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: backupr9 on March 02, 2015, 07:56:45 PM
+1
Title: Re: Ok... Lovin my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: JoshA on March 04, 2015, 11:46:44 PM
Ok it's official. I can finally say I'm lovin my Rohrbaughs.

Why? Because Eric's on here now and I want to schmooze up? Nope.

Why? Because it's perfect and it never has not ever will give me an issue? Nope.

Why? Because everybody else loves their Rohrbaughs? Nope.

Because Duane told me to love it or He wouldn't allow me to pester you poor people any more? Yes...

Just kidding. No. Sorry, poor attempt at humor.

Well I just broke it out to show it off to my eleven year old boy and found myself going over the neat features of my carry piece that originally gave me some grief. I caught myself talking about it as if I cherished it. As if it was something special to me. As if it was something I wanted him to see the very fine qualities of, so when he gets older he will have an eye for quality and craftsmanship. An eye for something special and not just the ordinary. Hey nothing wrong with a Glock (I know they don't have a soul Richard 😜), but then their is the piece that someone poured their life's blood into to make as close to humanly perfect as possible. That would be the R9 IMO. Oh I think their are probably more reliable guns to run thousands of rounds with that offer less recoil, but that's not the intended purpose of the build.

Truth is that my post would have not been allowed to cast a shadow of negativity on the R9 if I didn't come to the dance just as they were handing things over to Remington. I would have been able to send it in for repairs and talk to Eric and been happy happy happy.

Hope I didn't scare anyone away with all the talk.

In the end I have a real appreciation for the fit and finish, size to weight to fire power ratio. I appreciate the reliability of it now that it's been serviced.

It's a pocketable defense system with some real class.

In final, I love my Rohrbaugh. I ended up buying 2 more and wouldn't mind adding a Farmie if the right situation presented itself. I guess that says it all right there.

Thanks for all the help along the way getting me to this point. I hope the small band of R9 owners remains as classy as they are now. You are some good fellows to have acquaintance with. I even like old Bob. What happened to old Bob anyway? Oh well.

Signing off on this post,

JoshA
Title: Re: Ok... Lovin my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: ECR on March 05, 2015, 07:53:50 AM
Well, all I have to say about this post Josh is this: 

When I read this part of your letter:  "Because Duane told me to love it or He wouldn't allow me to pester you poor people any more? Yes..."

    I cracked up with a good chuckle. . . . . . . . .

The rest of your letter explaining how you, unfortunately, had experienced issues with your R9 "just as they were handing things over to Remington.". . . . . All I can say about that fiasco is this, and by now you and others may very well know this: . . . .   There came a time when the deal with Remington came to a head and we had no choice but to stop accepting firearms and close down the FFL books and get ready for the transfer of product left in the safes and all of the machining and books turned over and shipped out to them. Our lips were sealed at that point, as they still are. We have a few more years to go before Karl or I can really say or do anything firearms manufacturing wise. Right now, at our ages. . . . . Frankly, we are enjoying life and our retirement as a family together with our Mother, the matriarch. 

In closing, may I say your little story about showing your son the work put into your R9. . . . . . That made me proud to be one of "The Brothers Rohrbaugh".

Thank you once again and may all of you enjoy your day today.

Regards,

Eric R.
Title: Re: Ok... Lovin my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: JoshA on March 05, 2015, 08:18:16 AM
I apologize that I failed to make it clear that the fact of the whole sale and transaction that followed is totally understandable to me and only refer to it as a matter of what happened and not as a matter of contention. Those things happen and ther ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with the way it went down to me or 99.9% of the guys who own R9's. It's somewhat remarkable that only myself and one other guy even had an issue With our pistols out of all of the R9's out there!
Title: Re: Ok... Lovin my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: DDGator on March 05, 2015, 10:10:34 AM

JoshA has finally completed his character arc in this story...  My work here is done.   8)
Title: Re: Ok... Lovin my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: backupr9 on March 05, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
Josh, welcome FINALLY to the fold!  In spite of all of the problems you encountered, you somehow recognized the innate quality and value of the piece and persisted until you got it right.

Now, young man  ;), pay attention and listen to this old ferret's advice.  Keep your R9 clean and happy, feed it what it likes best, treat it gently and with love, shoot it regularly for effect (not stamina!), carry daily with confidence.

Congratulations on your son.  He will soon enter a difficult age, so treat him gently and with love, interact with him daily as an adult and persist until he gets it right.  I have two boys, one an armed commercial pilot with a major airline, the other an armed federal Special Agent with DCIS.  I am proud to be their father and, as importantly, I strive to make them proud of me.

Josh, all credit to you.  You probably played a major part in saving this forum with your posts back when it was truly in the doldrums.  Thank you.

John
Title: Re: Ok... Lovin my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: JoshA on March 05, 2015, 02:34:13 PM
Thanks much for the excellent instruction backup9! Will do my best sir.
Title: Re: Ok... Lovin my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: JoshA on March 05, 2015, 02:36:08 PM

JoshA has finally completed his character arc in this story...  My work here is done.   8)

Some people just take a while to mature I guess.  8)
Title: Re: Ok... Lovin my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: ECR on March 05, 2015, 02:49:54 PM
. . . . . and to think this all took place on just 38 pages of The Rohrbaugh Forum!  8)

    . . . . Go figure!   lol

  Good job everyone. . . . . . Josh came around. . . . . . Now - How about those Mets!    :-\

Title: Re: Ok... Lovin my Rohrbaugh(S)...
Post by: JoshA on March 05, 2015, 06:02:10 PM
. . . . . and to think this all took place on just 38 pages of The Rohrbaugh Forum!  8)

    . . . . Go figure!   lol

  Good job everyone. . . . . . Josh came around. . . . . . Now - How about those Mets!    :-\

Well better late than never I guess they say  ;D
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Post by: ECR on March 05, 2015, 06:28:14 PM
Well now, see what you've done Josh!? . . . . . You made it yet another page now at 39!    ::)
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Post by: backupr9 on March 05, 2015, 10:12:19 PM
DANGIT JOSH, cool it!  This threat need to end now.  Start another with something like "I Am Now A Happy Camper".    ;D  ;D  ;)
Yoda
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Post by: tracker on March 05, 2015, 10:44:17 PM
Or maybe this one from Hank Williams Jr.:

"It was colder than well diggers ankles in Cut Bank, Montana."
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Post by: ECR on March 06, 2015, 09:25:25 AM
You folks sure are funny out there. What am I getting into here. . . . . . lol

. . . . I think it's all good, that's what.

Enjoy the snow everyone. . . . . . We had another 7" more since yesterday. Enough already!
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Post by: JoshA on March 15, 2015, 08:44:50 PM
+6 silver tip 115 gr ;)

*2 failures of some sort for some reason out of 157 rounds

**0 failures out of 48 rounds since extractor was replaced

Told ya I'm done with this thread. Haha.

Sorry I couldn't help myself.
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Post by: tracker on March 15, 2015, 08:55:37 PM

Why not go for 40!
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Post by: Douglas on March 15, 2015, 08:56:06 PM
Josh, all credit to you.  You probably played a major part in saving this forum with your posts back when it was truly in the doldrums.  Thank you.
John

Hear, hear!  8)

Doug

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Post by: Douglas on March 15, 2015, 08:58:07 PM

Why not go for 40!

And why not?
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Post by: JoshA on March 15, 2015, 09:09:06 PM

Why not go for 40!

And why not?

Haha. Sorry.

Hey Doug's back! Missed your input from the front sir.

Are you still in G19 mode, Rohrbaugh or back to a wheel gun? What is the current threat level?
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Post by: Douglas on March 15, 2015, 09:41:05 PM
Hey Josh!

I never leave, I just sort of float in and out. Back when you breathed some life back into the place I tried to contribute more often too, just to support the cause.  :)

-Off the clock, been doing mostly G26 lately, G19 mag reload. I never used to carry a reload with the Glocks.  ???  J frame in the off side pocket on duty, as usual.

Did some force on force training with an eye towards smaller guns recently, which led me to put some XS Big Dots on the 26, and they are pretty cool.

Threats are bad, but more quiet. The international is what it is. Locally, politics here leave the mutts feeling more free to carry their guns, while continuing to deprive the people of their rights. Not good, but not going to change, IMHO.

It's like living in Rome in the AD 460s.   :-X
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Post by: JoshA on March 15, 2015, 10:06:56 PM
Hey Josh!

I never leave, I just sort of float in and out. Back when you breathed some life back into the place I tried to contribute more often too, just to support the cause.  :)

-Off the clock, been doing mostly G26 lately, G19 mag reload. I never used to carry a reload with the Glocks.  ???  J frame in the off side pocket on duty, as usual.

Did some force on force training with an eye towards smaller guns recently, which led me to put some XS Big Dots on the 26, and they are pretty cool.

Threats are bad, but more quiet. The international is what it is. Locally, politics here leave the mutts feeling more free to carry their guns, while continuing to deprive the people of their rights. Not good, but not going to change, IMHO.

It's like living in Rome in the AD 460s.   :-X

Good to hear you are well sir.

I have the XS dig dots on my G27 (I recall you aren't the biggest .40 fan : )

As for helping the forum... I hope I was of some assistance, but I certainly can't take credit for more than posting my problems, experience and discoursing with the good men of the board about solutions : )

I've enjoyed getting to know everybody and the R9 a little more than casually.

Keep safe Doug!!
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Post by: Douglas on March 15, 2015, 10:25:03 PM
Thank you sir.

Well, as we discussed, I'm not anti-.40, it's just not what we use, and I am a believer in standardization.

How do you find the Big Dots?
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Post by: JoshA on March 15, 2015, 10:36:00 PM
Thank you sir.

Well, as we discussed, I'm not anti-.40, it's just not what we use, and I am a believer in standardization.

How do you find the Big Dots?

I really like them. I use them in a pit with 5, 8" steel plates and find that they are very quick to dial in.

When using them for grouping they aren't as nice as 3 dots, but that's not what I typically do while training.

I get the whole standardization thing, but I'm just not there yet. Makes total sense in the real world. I just try not to go there too much (the real world that is).

What kind of force on force exercises did you do?

Sorry for the minor hijacking of the thread fellas. Not everyday one gets to talk to a NYC cop about force on force training and such ya know : )
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Post by: ECR on March 16, 2015, 07:06:01 AM

Why not go for 40!

At this rate we may just make that 40 page count! . . . . unless you were talking about 40 caliber and I was not paying attention!?  lol
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Post by: Douglas on March 16, 2015, 07:35:42 PM
Just a cog in a wheel, like I've always said. And happy to work here, but not for Comrade Mayor Bill.  :P

We did some simunitions; active shooter stuff, entries, rooms, stairs, open areas, trains, reloads, malfunctions, etc.

But all the while, I was thinking about, "What if I had an off-duty piece?" and accordingly, "What is my sight picture looking like?" that is, what is my discipline to obtain/maintain one?

That prompted me to put the express sights on my G26, and reinforced my inclination to carry it.

It was very good training.
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Post by: JoshA on March 16, 2015, 07:48:25 PM
I see. 

Thanks for telling about the training points.

Well hope ya keep safe Douglas.

Look forward to hearing about your thoughts on the XS big dots if you think to post sir.
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Post by: tracker on March 16, 2015, 08:00:07 PM


40 it is! A new world's record.
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Post by: Douglas on March 16, 2015, 08:02:45 PM


40 it is! A new world's record.

Josh! Josh! Josh! Josh!
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Post by: JoshA on March 16, 2015, 08:03:33 PM


40 it is! A new world's record.

Well atleast it's a nice round number.  8)
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Post by: Douglas on March 16, 2015, 08:05:44 PM
I see. 

Thanks for telling about the training points.

Well hope ya keep safe Douglas.

Look forward to hearing about your thoughts on the XS big dots if you think to post sir.

I did okay, didn't take too much of a beating. One guy caught a burst of full auto MP-5 under the vest.

He was not a happy camper, but the rest of us laughed our asses off!  ;D

Also, it reiterated just how quickly 5 rounds go downrange when someone is shooting back. We all know this. This is not secret knowledge.

-But boy, it gets reinforced when Mr. Bad Guy is throwing lead back at you.

I LOVE my J Frame, but...
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Post by: JoshA on March 16, 2015, 08:18:51 PM
I see. 

Thanks for telling about the training points.

Well hope ya keep safe Douglas.

Look forward to hearing about your thoughts on the XS big dots if you think to post sir.

I did okay, didn't take too much of a beating. One guy caught a burst of full auto MP-5 under the vest.

He was not a happy camper, but the rest of us laughed our asses off!  ;D

Also, it reiterated just how quickly 5 rounds go downrange when someone is shooting back. We all know this. This is not secret knowledge.

-But boy, it gets reinforced when Mr. Bad Guy is throwing lead back at you.

I LOVE my J Frame, but...

😖UCH! Sounds painful.

I love my J Frame, but... Lol. I hear ya. They are nostalgic and all, but with all of the crazy stuff in the world I can't feel comfortable with mine unless it's a real mello day and I'm not a NYC officer. Don't blame ya one bit.
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Post by: Douglas on March 16, 2015, 08:38:17 PM
Doesn't seem to matter where you are.

I live in the boros, and work here again now (-we work through fourteen counties in two states.)

Nowhere is immune.

I read a guy's post somewhere that outlined something so clear, so obvious, so self-evident, that it broke my heart that I hadn't realized it before.

The probability that you'll need your gun has absolutely no relation to what you'll need once you do.

That was stunning to me.

-I mean, obviously, of course, we all know that, right?

But how many of us talk about the (small) gun that we carry when, "We're just running to the store for milk..." ?

-But if you walk in and three guys with guns are robbing the joint, the fact that it was a one in a million chance that this could happen is absolutely meaningless.
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Post by: tracker on March 16, 2015, 09:09:27 PM

It is just like a seat belt; you only need to have it buckled when there is a collision or unintended upset----but which time is that?
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Post by: JoshA on March 16, 2015, 09:21:51 PM
Doesn't seem to matter where you are.

I live in the boros, and work here again now (-we work through fourteen counties in two states.)

Nowhere is immune.

I read a guy's post somewhere that outlined something so clear, so obvious, so self-evident, that it broke my heart that I hadn't realized it before.

The probability that you'll need your gun has absolutely no relation to what you'll need once you do.

That was stunning to me.

-I mean, obviously, of course, we all know that, right?

But how many of us talk about the (small) gun that we carry when, "We're just running to the store for milk..." ?

-But if you walk in and three guys with guns are robbing the joint, the fact that it was a one in a million chance that this could happen is absolutely meaningless.

Reminds me of someone's quote to the extent of

"I've never interviewed anyone who had been in a handgun battle that didn't want more ammunition or a larger caliber"

Seems like a lot of officers around these parts carry .45 off duty.

My US Marshal buddy says they can now carry ANY caliber of Glock they want to. Just has to be Glock. No G42 obviously. Not sure about subcompacts.

Anyway I'm sure 9 is plenty good with the new potent expanding rounds offered.


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Post by: Douglas on March 16, 2015, 09:22:34 PM

It is just like a seat belt; you only need to have it buckled when there is a collision or unintended upset----but which time is that?

Precisely.

"I wear my seatbelt when I'm on the highway, but when I'm just going up to the store..."
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Post by: Douglas on March 16, 2015, 09:40:16 PM

Reminds me of someone's quote to the extent of

"I've never interviewed anyone who had been in a handgun battle that didn't want more ammunition or a larger caliber"

Seems like a lot of officers around these parts carry .45 off duty.

My US Marshal buddy says they can now carry ANY caliber of Glock they want to. Just has to be Glock. No G42 obviously. Not sure about subcompacts.

Anyway I'm sure 9 is plenty good with the new potent expanding rounds offered.

Interesting that they threw in with one manufacturer like that.

-I understand why one would. I am a Glock guy, but I'd carry any other major manufacturer without much thought about it. Who could legitimately complain about Sig, Smith, HK, etc.?

The Glock subcompacts are, to me and many others, just as good as their bigger brothers.

I agree with you on 9mm.

At the same time I get it for those who do it. If you offered me one duty handgun round, and one round only, to shoot an adversary, I would choose .45.

Why not? It's a bigger hole.

But capacity does matter, and none of the .45s get down to the size of the 9s.
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Post by: tracker on March 16, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
I conversed with a young Houston Police Officer yesterday and asked him about his carry weapon since I didn't recognize it. He told me that it was a S&W M&P .40 SW but the grip had been reduced by Dale Hunnicutt of Tomball, who has been mentioned before on this forum. I asked him about .357 Sig but he misunderstood me and thought I said .357 Magnum and said that the tenured old guards could carry their .357 magnum revolvers. Once we resolved that misunderstanding he said that the Houston police could carry any approved .40 pistol and that the department has recently approved .45 ACP carry. There was no mention of 9 mm.
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Post by: JoshA on March 17, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
I conversed with a young Houston Police Officer yesterday and asked him about his carry weapon since I didn't recognize it. He told me that it was a S&W M&P .40 SW but the grip had been reduced by Dale Hunnicutt of Tomball, who has been mentioned before on this forum. I asked him about .357 Sig but he misunderstood me and thought I said .357 Magnum and said that the tenured old guards could carry their .357 magnum revolvers. Once we resolved that misunderstanding he said that the Houston police could carry any approved .40 pistol and that the department has recently approved .45 ACP carry. There was no mention of 9 mm.

I think they do everything big in Texas don't they Tracker?  ;D
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Post by: tracker on March 17, 2015, 06:39:02 PM
 That is what they say but $42 oil is moving the metric a bit to the skinny side. One interesting thing of recent note is that the Texas Senate passed an open carry bill with details with the House vote still to go. Governor Greg Abbott has said that he will sign it. There are several other considerations such as only allowing concealed carry on college campuses.
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Post by: tattoo on March 17, 2015, 06:50:59 PM
Yes josh all is bigger here in the one star state
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Post by: ECR on March 17, 2015, 09:43:01 PM
Amazing!. . . . . . This thread has reached 41 pages and has been (Read 15785 times) !   Wow!   Now that's some heavy traffic!   ha ha . . . . .
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Post by: JoshA on April 09, 2015, 09:33:02 PM
Decided to switch carry ammo to HST 124 grain.

Ran 18 rounds and I did have 1 failure to feed.

Can't blame the R9 though.

I think I will have to slowly, methodically and patiently work on whether or not it's worth the switch from gold dots.

The impressive gel test on MRC's shooting the bull has convinced me of the superiority of the HST round.

The HST has a longer profile and quite a sharp leading edge that contributes to the issue IMO.

Anyone else have good or bad success with the HST?
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Post by: tracker on April 09, 2015, 10:03:07 PM

They are both at the top of the list but best to go with which one functions best for you and not the test ballistics on penetration, etc. I have not had any issues with either the Gold Dot or the HST.
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Post by: tattoo on April 10, 2015, 12:36:07 AM
Hst no issues what I run
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Post by: JoshA on May 26, 2015, 10:51:31 PM
+13 more perfect HST.

Of these 13 rounds I let a young man going off to the marines run a mag and my 11 year old run a few rounds.

Nice to know that it's reliable without having the tongue held just right.
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Post by: ECR on May 27, 2015, 08:02:10 PM
Good going Josh!  Very nice to hear.   8)
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Post by: JoshA on June 01, 2015, 09:02:39 PM
Well with summer here and a good record on reliability I have finally been able to carry the R9 more than ever. I've even been sporting it in an IWB crossbreed lately when the shirts are a bit tougher to conceal under and I have been very impressed with how it conceals! Really like no other.

Also carrying it front pocket in the awesome milt sparks sharkskin concealment holster and have found it very concealable and comfortable with most pant selections.

Thanks Rohrbaughs for the great pistol. I'm diggin it.

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Post by: tracker on June 01, 2015, 09:24:47 PM

Keep on diggin' Josh. Happy to hear you are a confident R9 owner.
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Post by: ECR on June 03, 2015, 03:55:33 PM
You're welcome Josh.   8)

. . . . Hey Josh. . . . . You're not trying to make this thread go to page 42 now are you!?   lol. . . . .  :-\
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Post by: tracker on June 03, 2015, 07:51:50 PM
We could have bought Josh a lot of Elites if we had been able to charge .30 to .50 cents a word for this wordathon. But, then it wouldn't have been as much fun as kicking Josh around the block. He has a great sense of humor and his pups are barking, so all is well at 42, almost.
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Post by: ECR on June 03, 2015, 10:04:32 PM
LOL Yes, Josh is alright.  .  .  .  .  .  .  and page 42 is .................. ::)
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Post by: JoshA on June 03, 2015, 11:20:46 PM
We could have bought Josh a lot of Elites if we had been able to charge .30 to .50 cents a word for this wordathon. But, then it wouldn't have been as much fun as kicking Josh around the block. He has a great sense of humor and his pups are barking, so all is well at 42, almost.

Never had so much fun getting kicked around the block. I know the reports have turned to boring, but it's so exciting after the rough start and TRULY wanting to love my Rohrbaugh I feel quite excited and compelled to post the good (though simple) report. Thanks for not getting too annoyed about it.

As for the marathon... Hmm... Idk. It's hard for me to not post. I guess I got addicted to it. Stop replying and I promise I will quit posting here... Eventually 😉
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Post by: ECR on June 04, 2015, 02:40:35 PM
Getting close to the 20,000 views mark now!  OMG Josh! . . . . .   Go Man Go!   ;D
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Post by: Douglas on June 04, 2015, 08:56:56 PM
...Stop replying and I promise I will quit posting here... Eventually 😉

Not a chance pal.  ;) ;D
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Post by: JoshA on June 05, 2015, 12:38:20 AM
...Stop replying and I promise I will quit posting here... Eventually 😉

Not a chance pal.  ;) ;D

Hey Douglas. Glad to hear our favorite NYC officer is well sir.

I have a question for you. What's the best restaurant in the city?

Look forward to your response if you have time. Keep it safe amigo.

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Post by: Douglas on June 05, 2015, 08:02:13 AM
42!!!


I think Le Bernardin is generally accepted as "the best" but (unfortunately for me) I've never been there.

There are simply so many places to eat in Manhattan, not to mention the rest of the boros (and they SHOULD be mentioned, because some great food is in every one of them!) that I couldn't begin to recommend. A simple "best pizza" discussion here can start a fight; thin crust, thick crust, artisan...

Some places are iconic for their locations, therefore worth it for an interested visitor (e.g. The Rainbow Room, The River Cafe.) Other places are cult-ish, either super-trendy or closed-circle and almost no one can get in (e.g. momofuku, Rao's.)

If you're here, don't discount street food, much of it these days is excellent. It's an entire sub-culture.

The 'net is loaded with guides, with the dawn of food TV, celebrity chefs, etc. there has never been a time like now for culinary tourism and foodie pursuits. We've even got multiple distilleries and breweries back up and running. They do tours and tastings too.

One rule I can comfortably offer: There is no reason to eat in a chain restaurant in the City of New York.

Follow that tip, skip the obvious tourist traps, and you'll find something good. Let me know, I'll make our reservation!  8)

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Post by: JoshA on June 05, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
42 it is. Lol.

Sounds like quite solid advice. At this point I'm building up a couple of tips because NYC is on the bucket list, but when I get there I will be looking you up. Hopefully within the next few years.

Thanks Douglas...again.
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Post by: BlueC2 on June 06, 2015, 06:59:29 AM
While in nyc I recommend a stop in the beretta and holland and holland galleries. Drool factor 10
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Post by: JoshA on June 07, 2015, 08:24:07 PM
While in nyc I recommend a stop in the beretta and holland and holland galleries. Drool factor 10

Sounds cool. One of these days. Thanks fellas.
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Post by: JoshA on July 28, 2015, 11:49:23 PM
Well I finally got a chance to break out the 2 new sightless R9's recently acquired from olpanrider (thanks again for the great dealings and super fair deal you passed on)

Great news. Not one malfunction.

I ran 2 mags of HST 124 through each and then 2 mags of 115 silver tip through each.

I took them apart to clean and lube prior to the trip. These guns are quite new looking inside. Yeah a bit of wear on the exterior, but inside they are impeccable.

I'm very pleased with how well they functioned today.

I will clean them again and repeat a little bit more and then place em into "safe keeping" for some boys that I hope to leave a little keepsake to.

Well Eric, thanks for the really cool piece you and your brother have conjured up. Your work has really grown on me. I'm kinda a hard one to get on board sometimes.

It looks to me like you won the small 9 game IMO. Bravo!
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Post by: ECR on July 29, 2015, 09:15:18 AM
Thank you Josh. . . . . Karl and I did our best on this firearm of ours. Yes, I know we had issues a couple of years ago between you and the company, but my hands were tied. Now. . . . I don't really give a darn 'bout much anymore (being retired) and I am happily saying my mind here now that I've joined the ranks of The Rohrbaugh Forum with it's true Rohrbaugh R9 enthusiasts and historians. I am very very happy to be here and thank you all for allowing it.

Regards,

Eric C. Rohrbaugh  (just in case some folks don't know who "ecr" is. . .  ;) . . . lol)
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Post by: mannylinda on July 30, 2015, 08:59:01 PM
ECR:  Just curious, What little pup did you make for yourself as a little side project and do you still pack it around from time to time?
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Post by: ECR on July 31, 2015, 02:58:40 PM
I have one I made early on and I recently gave it to my 30 year old son out west. Serial Number:  ECR-000-1

It was the early hard anodized frame with a black slide with the sides polished.  That look ended up being what we named: The Stealth Elite Model.

I also, in the last year of production, made an specially treated frame and slide that looked "golden" in color with all of the polished parts from The Elite Premium Model in place. My brother needed an R9 near the  end, so I gave it to him. Now we wants to sell it. . . . I guess he forgot I gave it to him and I really built it for myself. Oh well. . . . that's family woes for you.  lol.   I'll see if I can discuss this issue with him in a good manner as time goes on. . . . . I would really like to have that one back. . . . It was MINT!   :-\
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Post by: ECR on July 31, 2015, 03:37:41 PM
I don't carry much around my area anymore as I don't feel the need at this time, but when I do carry, I usually carry my blued 1965 Charter Arms .44 Special Bulldog with the 3" tapered barrel, bobbed hammer and Pachmayr grips, no holster, front "Mexican Carry". . . . (my choice). Ammunition is either Cor-Bon 165gr. JHP or Speer Gold Dot "Personal Protection" 220 gr. GDHP. The Cor-Bon have a velocity of 1050fps and an energy force of 404ft/lbs. I like big bullets. . . . . . on occasion, I will carry my Colt .45 Lightweight Combat Commander that Karl gave me 25 years ago that I had Wayne Novak work the top end and sights up for me. Great gun, just too heavy for everyday carry. . . . . Hence ~ "The Bic Pen of Revolvers" . . . . The Bulldog in .44 Special.   ;)       

I like things vintage. . . . that is my passion, however, when I have felt the need to have something with me for self protection, but it needed to be "discreet", I have an R9 I drop in my pocket. Although I have a like new 1964 S&W blued model 36 (bone stock), I'd rather that for the collection and never carry it. Once at a retail store where there was a very large aggravated man in my face, the R9 gave me comfort. Luckily, nothing happened. . . . . I'm sure he had no idea I was packing either, I simply used discretion to defuse the threat. . . . . thank God that worked well as my hand was in my pocket, just not on the gun itself, but ready none the less. 

PS: Sorry about the huge photos. . . . . Not computer savvy enough to reduce it.   :-[

PS~PS: I am amazed that this thread has almost 22 THOUSAND views! Wow!
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Post by: mannylinda on July 31, 2015, 09:22:41 PM
Thank you for the inside scoop.
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Post by: JoshA on October 18, 2015, 09:13:57 PM
Ran 7 more HST 124 gr from 7 yards tonight.

100%

I've carried these since the last time I shot it several months back.

Hopefully backup9 approves. I have FINALLY gotten to a point where I'm taking a little advice from the sage group here.

I totally agree that this is the way the firearm should be proven occasionally. Probably less and less for me as time goes by and confidence remains high IMO.

Here is a question for you Eric: every time a round is hand chambered to make it ready for carry and then hand ejected to make it ready for the safe again should that be counted as 2 rounds of wear on the recoil spring? I use mine once a week as I go to church and am unable to carry IWB and this has been my practice. This is the equivalent of 100 rounds a year. I know springs are cheap, but it's just one more pain to keep up with. Thanks in advance for the help on this question.

Lovin my R9's.
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Post by: tracker on October 19, 2015, 11:04:40 AM
If you put it back into the safe why do you need to eject the loaded round to make the gun secure? I know you have children at home but just ejecting the round in the barrel doesn't make the gun safe if the loaded mag is still in the gun. My HST in the pipe usually never leaves it unless I pull the trigger.
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Post by: ECR on October 19, 2015, 05:44:33 PM
No Josh. . . . . Just cycling the slide to remove or replace a round is not affecting the recoil spring count as it is not taking the hit from a round being fired. Different set of dynamics in play Good Sir!  ;-)

Eric R.
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Post by: JoshA on October 19, 2015, 10:53:58 PM
If you put it back into the safe why do you need to eject the loaded round to make the gun secure? I know you have children at home but just ejecting the round in the barrel doesn't make the gun safe if the loaded mag is still in the gun. My HST in the pipe usually never leaves it unless I pull the trigger.

I have a few too many guns in my rotation to be honest. I have made it my practice to only chamber a round in a weapon I'm carrying. May not be necessary for some, but my people tend to be a slightly scatter brained folk from time to time and I have found myself fooling around with a pistol for a solid 30 seconds before actually thinking "is there a round in this chamber?" Not good. So I elimainate that by unloading prior to re safing. Then no finger on the trigger. Then racking and inspecting the firearm prior to messing with it.

If it's a weapon I'm carrying or bedside it's hot and always treated as such.

Good question. Probably overkill for some people.

I do use the R9 and one other pistol most of the time and can just holster them in the safe with the round chambered. Perhaps I will consider modifying my practice.

Thanks for the good idea tracker.
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Post by: JoshA on October 19, 2015, 10:54:47 PM
No Josh. . . . . Just cycling the slide to remove or replace a round is not affecting the recoil spring count as it is not taking the hit from a round being fired. Different set of dynamics in play Good Sir!  ;-)

Eric R.

Thanks for the info. Makes sense.
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Post by: MRC on October 20, 2015, 11:28:05 AM
If you put it back into the safe why do you need to eject the loaded round to make the gun secure? I know you have children at home but just ejecting the round in the barrel doesn't make the gun safe if the loaded mag is still in the gun. My HST in the pipe usually never leaves it unless I pull the trigger.



I do use the R9 and one other pistol most of the time and can just holster them in the safe with the round chambered. Perhaps I will consider modifying my practice.

Thanks for the good idea tracker.

I used to put my holstered gun loaded into the safe also, but I stopped that a couple of years ago.  I felt I would be using my P380 quite soon and i did not.  Months later I get it out just to look at it and did not check it first (stupid).

Nothing hurt but I learned my lesson.  It is just not a good idea and I live by myself.  JMO
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Post by: tracker on October 20, 2015, 12:03:50 PM
Reasonable minds will differ on this subject and one factor is probably the number of your carry pistols. Mine is always the R9 and I always know that it is loaded. Forgetting to chamber a round can work to your disservice also.
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Post by: backupr9 on October 20, 2015, 12:41:45 PM
If you put it back into the safe why do you need to eject the loaded round to make the gun secure? I know you have children at home but just ejecting the round in the barrel doesn't make the gun safe if the loaded mag is still in the gun. My HST in the pipe usually never leaves it unless I pull the trigger.

I have a few too many guns in my rotation to be honest. I have made it my practice to only chamber a round in a weapon I'm carrying. May not be necessary for some, but my people tend to be a slightly scatter brained folk from time to time and I have found myself fooling around with a pistol for a solid 30 seconds before actually thinking "is there a round in this chamber?" Not good. So I elimainate that by unloading prior to re safing. Then no finger on the trigger. Then racking and inspecting the firearm prior to messing with it.

If it's a weapon I'm carrying or bedside it's hot and always treated as such.

Good question. Probably overkill for some people.

I do use the R9 and one other pistol most of the time and can just holster them in the safe with the round chambered. Perhaps I will consider modifying my practice.

Thanks for the good idea tracker.

Good move Josh...I agree fully.  I used to keep a live weapon in the gunsafe in case I was forced to open it under threat, but decided that there was too much risk.  I do keep a sign in each safe that says "all gun here are loaded" as a reminder myself and my grown boys when there comes a time for them to open the safes.
John
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Post by: MRC on October 20, 2015, 01:08:15 PM
Reasonable minds will differ on this subject and one factor is probably the number of your carry pistols. Mine is always the R9 and I always know that it is loaded. Forgetting to chamber a round can work to your disservice also.

tracker, you are exactly right.  At times I have been carrying too many different guns.  I have been on the Solo for quite some time and I never unload it except shooting at the range and it never goes in the safe.
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Post by: tracker on October 20, 2015, 06:58:04 PM

In any case there is a lot to be said for keeping it simple.
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Post by: JoshA on October 20, 2015, 10:48:40 PM
Thanks for the input.

I appreciate the thoughts and think we are all on the same page. If a guy has too many guns in carry rotation to keep track of which ones are loaded and which ones aren't, then don't leave it loaded : )

I am still on a mission to find the perfect all around carry piece but I find myself in a few different clothing and weather scenarios that keep me  vacillating. With the R9 being very reliable it's my 1st pick for pocket carry on days clothing keeps a holster off of my belt. Other than that I am bouncing between the ol G27 and Frankenglock 30S and 239 in 357 Sig for IWB. Still love the 27 and I honestly shoot it as well as a 26 with +p 9mm.

So perhaps until I streamline a bit more I'll keep on. That being said I see how it makes sense to put  a carry pistol in the safe with a round if it's a primary carry piece and your rotation is narrow.

Thanks guys.
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Post by: tracker on October 21, 2015, 10:26:14 AM
By Josh, I think you've got it; especially with those ear splitting hand cannons.
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Post by: JoshA on January 13, 2022, 10:58:35 PM
Hey fellas, just jumped on to say hey and thanks for all of the awesome help getting my first R9 rolling smoothly. It’s morphed into my usual daily carry for the last 5 years or so and I still love the thing.

Glad to see most of the old names still posting regularly.

Hope you all stay well! You guys are awesome.
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Post by: tracker on January 14, 2022, 05:08:01 PM
Great to hear from you again, Josh in the Hoosier state.
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Post by: ECR on January 14, 2022, 08:06:58 PM
Hello Josh. . . . . . Carrying the R9 for some 5 years now!?   Niiiiice..............

Great to see you here again. . . . . and yes, even I am still around checking in.

Stay safe out there good Sir!

Regards,

Eric C. Rohrbaugh
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Post by: backupr9 on January 15, 2022, 10:15:14 AM
Well darn it Josh, ‘bout time you checked in!…The Forum is very quiet, but still valuable.  Come back occasionally and say “Hi”.
John