I have 1 LISC BDE in 9mm. I was told BDE are the initials of the prior owner of Long Island Shooting Center. His guns were seized by the Feds when he got into some trouble and sold at auction to a reseller. The Feds only take the gun itself, which explains why it was sold with no mags, box, papers, etc. Mine is all silver with polished trigger, hammer, etc just like a Robar, but E said it was made before Robar guns.