I am in the market for a full sized .45 . Primary use would be the Range. I am only interested in higher end pistols as I do not like buying the same thing twice. Looking at Kimber though as good value for what you get. Wilson seems a little steep. Do you guys have any other suggestions?
Chief
Good to know about the Sig, Hard to find someone with Both to talk to objectively. I have had a few Gold cups and even a 10mm Colt 1911 type . But have sold them off or traded over the years. I used to shoot .45's for the Navy on one of their shooting teams but that was 35 years ago. I guess because of all the rounds fired through the .45's over the years my curiosity kept aiming me at othe types of guns.
(Kind of a "Grass is always greener" type of thing I guess.) But Technolgy being what it is, and the climate being what it is, it is time to go back to an old friend. Little history on the Warrior, it was developed for Sofcom. (The Marines Specwarfare side)
Chief
Reinz. You must have a safe just for your 1911's. Good for you. I do like the 1911.
The only Kimbers I have heard had issues were the 3" models. Seems the issues all went away at 4" and above.
Back when I was shooting on the team, there were not that many options ,as far as good guns went out there, so The Colt Gold Cup was where we started and then it was modified. But today's production Kimber probably outshoots our Target Pistols from 35 Years ago. At the age I am now, it is getting so all the guns outshoot me, so I am more into the Options such as Fiber optics, Light Rails, reliability, etc. Things that help offset the things I cannot help like eyes that don't focus like they used to. (and being an Engineer the mechanics of the weapon are important)
Chief
Well, after doing a ton of research I have reached the opinion that One .45 is not going to be enough. I am now looking for a "Small" and fullsized. (I wish the R45 was here)
Short list for "Small" carry 45's are
Ed Brown "Executive Carry"
Wilson Combat "Bill Wilson Carry"
Nighthawk Custom "T-3"
Anybody have any others similar to these I need to add to my research?
Chief
Just found this string. Ah; .45ACP, my favorite round.
There is a lot of ground to cover but here goes:
1. 1911 - gold standard but not a good choice for personal defense as lawyers interpret "cock and lock" as intent when used for self defense.
2. Sig - I love the double action P220, in any configuration, and modest cost is a consideration.
3. Glock 36 - one of my personal favorites. Accurate, ugly and you never have to worry about customizing decisions (like 1911)
4. USFA 1911 - Magnificent piece but not cheap and more condusive to saving it as a "safe queen" than a daily carry
5. R45 - Doesn't exist and factory's failure to bring this to the market, (in a timely manner), despite huge market interest, is extremely disappointing in my view
That feeling of want brings to mind something few folks have ever heard of but you may know of it, the BUGATTI VEYRON.
Talk about economics!
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I am doing research on the Pistol Dynamics now.
Thanks, ACP; you have confirmed my suspicions and doubts. I recall Richard saying that the Judge asked him not to reload ammo on a quid pro quo agreement.
Hey Chief!...finally found you a fullsize 45! ;D
(http://www.tommygun.com/imgs/img_PA_t1dm.jpg)
650 bucks at: http://www.tommygun.com/PA-1TH_t1dm.html
That must have been along time ago, are you sure you are not thinking Wilson?
I have found that apparently after 5,000 rounds guns like Kimbers, Springfields, Sigs, et al. Need work. But the Ed Browns, Wilson's, Volkmanns, Nighthawks are good for 50,000 plus rounds on average before they need work. They hold their value quite well as well. Even worn out they are worth 33% or more of their retail. Granted all modern guns from the big guys, outshoot me, I just have this thing about not owning something "as good as" I want the thing that is being used as the measuring stick ;D .
Does that make sense? I think I am going to have Volkmann build me a .45 carry. He is a former Ed Brown guy that went off on his own a few years back. Beautiful pieces.
By the way big guy, thanks for serving bro.
Chief