The Rohrbaugh Forum
Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: rtw on July 29, 2004, 11:18:57 PM
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Does anyone have any experience with this gun? How does it compare?
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Hello r W t I like the W too.!
Colt Pocket Nine, A heavy pistol with a heavy trigger, also commands a heavy price now- a- days. The pistol ended production because of a law suit from Kahr, over a patent infringement of the offset barrel lug.
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Hi rWt, and welcome. As RJ said, the pocket nine was heavier than the Rohrbaugh and it had wrap-around rubber grips that I didn't particularly like the feel of.
Similarities; double action only, and it came with two 6 round mags, alloy frame.
Since they have been discontinued, prices for a used pocket nine in good shape can be more than a Rohrbaugh and a half! ;D Having shot both, I prefer the Rohrbaugh. It has a much smoother trigger, is lighter to carry, and easier to shoot well. Somehow, Colt has never seemed to really "get" 9 millimeter pistols.
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I've had two Colt P-9s. One I still have. It was reworked by an outfit called SMA (Scott McDougal & Assoc). One of the partners of SMA moved to Oregon. Their website may still be available. I may be able to get more information by looking through a stack of older gun magazines. Maybe you could access Am Handgunner Magazine and their archives re the Colt Pocket 9.
My thoughts on the Colt product are positive enough that I still have one. My 2nd one was bought used over the Internet at a scalpers price. It works with Rem 124 gr ammo. I wouldnt recommend +P ammo. Colt only made an extra 150 mags for the P-9. Extra mags were as difficult to obtain as the gun itself. The gun came with a large (for a CCW) rubber grip. It was comfortable to shoot, but the rubber grips caught on clothing and is most definitely something that I do NOT want on a CCW gun. SM&A also offered extra mags for the Colt P-9. I don't know if they are still in business or not. The P-9 recieved most of its momentum from Mas Ayoob. Ayoob liked his and gave the Colt's product a healthy endorsement. As with lot of things that are in short supply, demand increased.
Despite the fact that Colt has not marketed an original idea in the handgun market since the aluminum frame Commander, I plan to keep my P-9. Mostly because I have extra mags (finally) that work, sharkskin hip pocket holster, skinny wooden grips on the gun, and an Alessi ankle holster.
However having said that, if you really, really wanna be the new owner of my P-9 ,I can be persuaded with the gun and all of the above mentioned accessories.
saltydog452
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Hi Salty,
Happy to see that you made it.
Frank
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I liked everything about the P9 except that most of them were unreliable which is why Scott McDougal & Assoc did so well modifying them. If Colt ever comes out with it again and gets the bugs out of it the way Scott McDougal & Assoc did, I'd buy a couple of them in a heartbeat.
Colt, are you listening out there?
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Nice little gun, well made.
I had 2, one was a pure factory piece and funtioned perfect, sold it to my buddy that collects colts with the promis that if he ever decided to sell it he would offer it back to me.
My second was a SMA custom, very nice it never really left my safe though as I pocket carried a Kahr PM9 at the time.
Parts were difficult to come by and that was also a concern of mine, But I was talking to a colt Gunsmith about a year ago about a different issue and asked about the pocket nine and he told my Colt now had EVERY pocket nine part available for rerpair. ....
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>>Anyone have pics of their factory and custom Colt Pocket Nines...?...TW<<
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There is a gunsmith in South Florida calledc Show-gun who does some very fine work on Pocket Nines and Colt Pony;s he can be reachedc at 954-647-2926 hope this helps, I own his guns and he makes Scott McDougal look like childs work.Danny
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[size=18]Hey Eric ... Can you make an R9 the size of a P9 (not as a REPLACEMENT but as an ADDITION -- sort of like it's big brother)? Either so that it can hold an extra round or two, or so that it can handle +P ammo; or both.[/size]
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Not a flame here, I've seen your other comments and have come to appreciate them, but - doesn't that defeat the purpose and uniqueness of the R9? There are plenty of larger handguns that do EXACTLY what you just asked for!
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" ... Not a flame ... "
No offense taken :)
" ... I've seen your other comments and have come to appreciate them ... "
Thank you. That means a lot to me.
" ... There are plenty of larger handguns that do EXACTLY what you just asked for ... "
Uh, no. The Colt P9 was about the same size as the Kahr Micro line BUT it had a repeat striker capability (like the R9) which the Karhs do not have and it had a concealed but external hammer (exactly like the R9) which, again, the Kahrs do not have.
There is no other 9mm gun like this (single stack, repeat striker capability, concealed but external hammer, size of a PPK, etc.) currently in production that I am aware of and it doesn't look like Colt is going to start making the P9 again any time soon.
Don't get me wrong. I love my R9S. It's the gun that I carry when I'm "not carrying". Prior to getting it, I use to carry the NAA Guardian in .32ACP under those circumstances -- now it's the R9S! I'm glad that it is around and I'm glad that I was able to buy one.
I'm not saying anything be done to or altered with the R9 line because it IS the smallest & lightest production 9mm in the world and I wouldn't trade mine for anything, but ... just like Kahr recently came out with their new 'T' line which is a bigger size gun. I would eventually like to see Rohrbaugh come out with a bigger brother to the R9 line (something the size of the Colt P9 would be nice) which is either beefed up to handle +P ammo or holds an extra round or two; or both.
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You will not see the Pocket 9 reintroduced, nor the Pony. Both those guns used the offset barrel lug patented by Kahr that caused the lawsuit against Colt for patent infringement. Best to hope for is the Mustang, but with the politically correct stance Colt has taken I wouldn't hold my breath.
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I have owned a Colt Pocket Nine for several years now. I bought it NIB at an estate auction. I have shot it quite a lot, and have put several hundred 115 gr. +P+ rounds through it with no problems whatsoever. It is also what I carry in it. I can see no reason to avoid using +P or even +P+ in this gun for your carry ammo. Run fifty to 100 rounds through it to see how it functions and to find the POA/POI relationship, and carry the most potent ammo you are comfortable with.
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You are correct, they are +p+ rated but I prefer to shoot standard pressure rounds for practice and carry +p. Also, with the correct ammo, they will function flawlessly since they can be picky eaters. Here's my foursome ...
(http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/guns/f151.jpg)
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>>I purchased a couple of P9s a couple years ago, largely motivated by what I learned about them right here...! And like Salty Dog, I got one NIB, and one that had the full work over by Scott/McDougall.
As someone else mentioned - my NIB gun had issues requiring my gunsmith's attention. As I recall it had either loading or ejection problems, but once tweaked it became very reliable. Perhaps the best part of this gun was the price, as I paid something like $300 for it...another Estate sale gun.
My Scott/McDougall piece was well used, but also very reliable at time of purchase. I paid considerably more for this gun, but from what I'm hearing and seeing of today's prices it would still be a bargain. Because of the sturdy design of this gun and the fact it has some wear points, I use this gun as a pocket equivalent of a "trunk gun"...something small-ish and reliable that I don't mind dressing in a cheap Nemesis-type holster and throwing in a rucksack.
A side note... I was able to track down Scott soon after the Scott/McDougall business enterprise ended. The reason it ended was because McDougall experienced an untimely death, and as the two men were also good friends, Scott was at a point where he didn't care to go on with the successful business alone. At the time of contact I was fortunate that Scott still had some custom parts available for the P9, which I picked up on. Best of all he still had a small quantity of the custom Scott/McDougall magazines for the P9 and I obtained two or three at an excellent price of ~ $20/each...!!! Unfortunately I lost my contact points for Scott in a computer crash but if interested in locating him you might want to do a Google search like I did. As I said - Scott still had some hard to find magazines left for sale at a very good price.
All and all I am very happy with my Colt Pocket Nines, and as a result I became interested in collecting other small, out of production Colts such as the Mustang and .380 Government model...which is among my favorites.
Unless your mind set is "gotta have it NOW", which I'm sure we have all experienced, my starting advice on the decision to purchase a P9 would be to suggest patience. Look around the forums for a good working gun at a "fair" price...realizing "fair" is a relative thing. My guess is that anything under $1000 would be fair on today's market...although I might hold out for a bargain to be found at the $500 - $700 range. Others here might have better, up to date opinions on that though. Interesting gun, bordering on being a belt piece due to weight, but still possible as a pocket gun depending on your size, clothing, and comfort levels...TW<<
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I just picked up a NIB Colt P9 for $899 about an hour ago. I can't wait to shoot it. It matches up well with Colt Mustang II Pocketlite.
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I just picked up a NIB Colt P9 for $899 about an hour ago. I can't wait to shoot it. It matches up well with Colt Mustang II Pocketlite.
Congrats on your new P9, Slick...! As mentioned elsewhere around here - I purchased a couple P9s after reading about and looking at FUD's P-9s...and I'm glad I did. My first P9 had been customized and carried a lot...and it showed. But the gun has been flawless since my first round through it. My second was a NIB...and after a clean and lube I had problems with it right away. Fortunately I know a Colt Armorer who tweaked, as needed and now it too is flawless. I love these guns...! They are not R9s, but they are special in their own way and a great carry gun.
I also have a few Mustangs and Government .380s which I love. One of these days I hope to obtain one or two Ponys...
I hope you enjoy your P9 as much as the rest of us here have...!...TW<<
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Thanks TW, anything special I should know that needs to be tweaked off the bat? Any ammo work better than others in these?
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Thanks TW, anything special I should know that needs to be tweaked off the bat? Any ammo work better than others in these?
Slick... FUD would be better qualified to answer these questions than me. I'm in a hurry just now but will say my P9s like .115gr Gold Dots and/or .115 Silvertips...TW<<
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I have carried and shot the Federal 115 grain +P+ ammo for many years now. I have shot about 100 rounds of this ammo for test purposes. For practice, I have used Winchester 115 gr. Silvertips as well as whatever inexpensive 115 grain hardball I can find. I have not experienced any problems with any ammo I have tried in this gun, and it is totally stock. I love the gun.
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Thanks to both of you.
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I have a Colt Pocket Nine NIB, with 2 magazines. Wife needs a hip replacement, so it's time to sell. If anyone is interested, I'm asking $800. It IS NEW in box with original factory grease. I bought 2 when Colt discontinued them. The one I'm using is superb. Functions flawlessly. :)
I also have a Colt Pony Pocketlite (.380). New in Box. Bought 2 of them also. I love the Pony - carry it frequently. Modified it with a Wolff recoil spring for superb functioning. I'm asking $750 for the NIB. joyfulblue@sbcglobal.net