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Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: theirishguard on November 06, 2009, 05:36:37 PM
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There has been some talk about the Taurus Judge.
What do you folks think about a "6 shot" wheel gun made in the US by a quality mfg., that will shoot both the .45 long colt and the .410? But with a better shot pattern, more than 6' but 20' for snakes and such. It will come with screw in choke tubes for much better shot patterns. Is there room for a better mouse trap?? Tom
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I think so. I like the Judge but am always open to something better. Is this something coming or already available?
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it is on the computer and will come next year, a single action Tom
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Where on the computer? If I could find such an animal not made by Taurus I would be interested.
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Tracker. Just curious. What do you have against Taurus? The Judge, to me, seems to perform, perfectly, with no problems, and does what it supposed to do. Just wondered, if you had a bad experience with a Taurus or going on the name brand.
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I have no experience with Taurus but am relying on my gunsmith who has been working on pistols for 30 years. He has a low regard for Taurus quality and I have no reason to question his judgment. There are just too many other guns of proven quality. I think one of his objections is MIM parts but I haven't talked to him lately about it.
For example: http://www.taurusmim.com/
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I only have experience with the Taurus Judge and being a wheel gun, as I said, does what it is supposed to do. I really couldn't ask for more of it. What could make one better is a 6th shot, as Tom is speaking of, and I will be interested in that.
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The Judge appears to be a well made, unique weapon. I would just be more interested in the prospect of Tom's suggestion, as long as it is not S&W.
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Would screw in chokes really make a difference in a barrel short enough to be a handgun? IMO, one of the most useful things a revolver like that could do is work w. the Federal buckshot load and actually get the buck up to ~1100 FPS. (Federal reports it as hitting 1200FPS, but my guess is that's from a regular shotgun barrel.)
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the US company thinking about bringing this to market has the basic design in their computer and is working thru the development stages. It is not S&W Tom
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Definitely would like to see this come to fruition. As I stated above, I like the 6 rds, and the single action is fine.
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Tom. Any news on this. Could still be too early, but thought I would ask. Thanks.
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It sounds like North American Arms to me.
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Could be. Just wanted to check on the progress.
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Federal has a special .410 round made just for the Judge, Publc defender, et al Nice personal defense round. Lots of fun to play with as well.
Chief
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Chief. I'll check that out. Thanks.
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I have no experience with Taurus but am relying on my gunsmith who has been working on pistols for 30 years. He has a low regard for Taurus quality and I have no reason to question his judgment. There are just too many other guns of proven quality. I think one of his objections is MIM parts but I haven't talked to him lately about it.
For example: http://www.taurusmim.com/
A possible answer as to why your gunsmith has a dislike for Taurus.
Since most of their guns are made in Brazil ans well as the frames of Springfield, my Gunsmith dislikes both guns as well.
His reason: he says the metal is very inconsistant in their hardness. When he is filing, he will hit "soft spots" which of course can course not only throws off his timing, but can cause costly mistakes as well.
He is a very talented 1911 mechanic, but cringes when someone brings in a Springfield.
Reinz
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there are some folks here on this forum that have seen that new judge project...Tom
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Tom. Still trying to find out the progress on the "new Judge" project.
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;D
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there are some folks here on this forum that have seen that new judge project...Tom
I guess they don't want to share!
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Here is something on the new Judge models, including the Raging Judge with a .454 Casull.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAgGFcrs5hI
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I guess they don't want to share!
They might have been asked not to let any details out yet of the super, super nice gun that they got to fondle. Did I mention it is SUPER NICE and that anybody that likes the best will LOVE it.
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Tracker, thanks. The Raging Judge Magnum in .45 Colt/.454/.410 is something else and has 7 shots. Wow!
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They might have been asked not to let any details out yet of the super, super nice gun that they got to fondle. Did I mention it is SUPER NICE and that anybody that likes the best will LOVE it.
So, Corey. How long does this have to be a secret?
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I'm not certain. Hopefully not much longer.
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I did find out the Taurus Raging Judge won't be available until late summer. Now have to wait on this one; but man, seven shots.
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That gun is huge! Looks like one of those Looney Tunes guns.
Reinz
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It would have to be huge to hold seven rounds of .410's, but I like it.
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Tom, are you going to sell this new one? If you are then put me down for one. Gene
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Gene, Yes, I'll be selling this new "judge type" Tom
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Raging Judge. I like that. When I showed it to Her Honor, she just smiled and said, "That would make quite a gavel."
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Has anyone checked out the new Winchester PDX1 .410 ammo? It has 3 defensive disks (that grab the rifling) and 12 pellets. Looks like that would make for a great home defense ammo.
I'd be interested in a .410 that was made by almost anyone other than Taurus. I have shot several of there revolvers owned by friends and handled several more though never their Judge. I didn't like any of them. Fit, Finish and Function were all trash. IMO
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Try the Judge!
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I'm interested in handling one of the new polymer judges w/ the wood grips; their "sub-compact" version similar to the Public Defender version...
I wouldn't mind carrying one of those...
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I have shot the Winchester PDX-1 .410 extensively, including several rounds into ballistic gelatin, with and without clothing or other barriers.
I am VERY impressed with this load and carry it in my Judge Public Defender.
The separation of the defense disks is nearly ideal at 15-25 feet. They penetrate 10-12 inches in clothed ballistic gelatin and penetrate like a wadcutter. The pellets penetrate about 6 inches or so and pattern nicely.
I actually spoke extensively with the guy who designed this round at Winchester. A lot of R&D went into this load. They are also working on a 3" .410 shell with even more defense disks!
I recommend it highly.
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I'd defininitely be interested in the PDX-1 .410 3". Excellent information. Thanks.
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I shot some of the 3" stuff that was factory testing samples, up at the Winchester plant in Alton, IL. I think the 3" can hold up to 5 defense discs. They are trying to decide how hot the new loads should be, whether they should use any shot in addition to the discs, etc.
VERY impressive is the 12 ga. PDX-1 with a one ounce slug and three OO Buck pellets!
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I have some of the Winchester .410 PDX1 shotshells on backorder from Midway. $12.79 per box of 10 with projected ETA of 6/4/10. I liked the cartridge (as much as you can without shooting it) when I first read about it, and Duane's posts reinforced my opinion. Hope they stay on schedule. Gene
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I shoot the Judge Magnum with Winchester .410 with the 5 buckshot in 3". Does very well. Will be trying the PDX-1, 3" when it comes out. :)
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kj,
No Judge here yet, but but I picked up a Ruger Alaskan 454 today, put five rounds of Winchester 454 250gr. LRN Cowboy Action loads and 2 rounds of Hornady 225gr. FTX LEVERrevolution . I need to find some more 454 ammo.
John
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John. Been buying .454's from Cabela's in bulk, 300 gr. JHP. Haven't bought any in over a year, though, and still have plenty left.
Congrats on getting the Alaskan. Great gun.
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Found Winchester 2 1/2 inch PDX 1 .410 shotshells at R&R arms. $10.80 per ten rd box. There were 161 boxes left after I placed my order. I swear, this guy must have a brother-in-law at the Winchester plant. :) Anyway just a heads up. Gene
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Duane, did the guy, at the Winchester plant that you talked to give you any idea as to when the 3" version would be available?. Gene
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On the timing -- no not really. At that point, they still hadn't finalized the loading, so... I would guess it will be a little while yet, but its definitely coming.