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Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: Chief-USN on June 14, 2010, 08:42:51 AM
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My wife now has it in her head she wants a .45 Cal. Carry gun. (She would carry it in a Conceal Carry Purse/Holster) She loves the balance of the Kimber Ultra CDP and is wanting to see the new Kimber Ultra Super Carry as well as an STI Electra. The Rourbaugh is too hard for her to operate the slide, she likes the idea of putting big holes where the Crimson trace dot goes. The Aluminum framed Kimbers come in at 25oz. the STI Electra at 21oz. Anything else you guys think she should look at? Trying to set a budget of $1300 or so.
Chief
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Chief. I'm all out of ideas. Thought I had you covered with finding those Lady Hawks. ;D
I'll be on the lookout, though. :)
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She decided the Lady hawk was too big, like the Officer size better.
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I had a new STI a few years ago, that I purchased from a dealer out of state, and the slide release was scratching the slide. I called there customer service and asked what they could do, and they said they could refinish the slide, if I paid for the work and shipping both ways. I asked to speak with a supervisor and he told me the same thing. I sold it to a local shop the next day, and will never own another STI.
Check the Para line, here is info on an PDA LDA (light double action) they are now made in NC.
PDA (.45 ACP)
When you need to respond in seconds and outside help is minutes away, the Para PDA .45 ACP is your able companion. A full 6+1 rounds of potent .45 ACP firepower are on tap when you squeeze the smooth LDA trigger. It won't weight you down at 24 ounces.
Full Capacity
Product Code: CWX645R
Caliber: .45 ACP
Rounds: 6+1
Barrel: 3"
Weight: 24 oz.
Length: 6.5"
Height: 4.75"
Hammer: Spurless
Sights: Night Sights
Receiver: Alloy
Finish: Duo-Tone
Magazine: PNM645P
MSRP: $1,269.00
John
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Thanks, I'll check them out, had not thought of Para
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I have owned a Kimber Stainless Steel Ultra Carry .45ACP with Crimson Trace Lasergrips for about ten years. Its a series I-no fring pin block safety- model and I've been completely satisfied with it and with Kimber's and with Crimson Trace's customer service/support.
Reliable, precise, and well worth the money.
It is one possible definition of the ideal carry gun. A case can be made for the 9mm version as can a case for the Para LDA.
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Chief, I have owned a Loaded Springfield Micro 45 ACP for three years now, same size, price and overall weight as the Kimber.
You may want to check it out. I love mine and it shoots like a 5 incher.
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I've owned a Kimber Ultra Crimson and Ultra SIS and loved them, but they could be a handful when I would shoot during the summer and my hands got a little sweaty. I don't think you could go wrong with any of the 3" Kimbers.
Never shot a 3" Para but I've heard good things. Is she leaning towards a 1911 for carry? Wasn't sure if a sub-compact Glock or Springfield XD were in the mix.
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She is going to carry in a special carry purse w/ built in holster w/side access. The Glock grip is too thick for her, she pretty much needs to stick w/ single stack mags.
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I have a Colt Defender .45 and like it a lot, it has managable recoil and is accurate, and is fun to shoot and easy enough to conceal IWB; but I wouldn't want to have to lug it around in a bag. I am not trying to talk her out of it, but one thing to consider is a loaded .45 IS HEAVY for purse carry.
Not that you asked, but it were me, I'd go with a Rorhbaugh 9mm or Seecamp .32 if I wanted something to keep in a purse.
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She is going to carry in a special carry purse w/ built in holster w/side access. The Glock grip is too thick for her, she pretty much needs to stick w/ single stack mags.
Wishing you the best in this search! Gotta please that wife! ;D
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MrsFos tells it right.
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Still gotta please that wife! ;D
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Especially if she is packing and may have issues with you.
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Now we don't want that to happen! ;D
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She cannot operate a Rohrbaugh R9S effectively, "Too much recoil, Don't like the way it fits my hand, the slide is hard to move" are some of the things I hear. She carrys a S&W 642
Airweight now. I would love to find a really great deal on a .380 Rohrbaugh, then if she did not like it I could sell it for what I paid and get her something else. When she is looking for something she wants she knows when it is right. Took her 6 months to find her Lexus. The search goes on :)
(I have thought about her temper and guns in the house ;D)
Chief
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Treat those two things very carefully! ;D
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Chief,
Have you considered the Kahr line, I have a P-380, and a PM40, (and a PM9 on the way) and the 380 is small, thin and light, and very pleasant to shoot, much better than the LCP I had, It is also very accurate.
The PM9 (9mm) is a little bigger than the 380, but still very compact and the Kahrs are well made pistols. They come in poly and metal frames, a lot of choices and plenty of accessories available.
John
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A Kahr PM9 for your viewing pleasure.
(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/newpics068.jpg)
The Kahr Black Rose Edition is nice as well:
(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/PM9KahrHandgun.jpg)
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And here is my P380, I polished both sides of the slide and the barrel. (the dark area at the end of the slide is the reflection of a branch on the tree overhead)
There is also a Black Rose model in the P380, and all the models come with a black slide option also.
(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/IMG_0158.jpg)
John
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Nice looking pieces. Wonder how hard the Black Rose Editions are to find. She likes to hold the differant guns and compair as she has trouble remembering how how the guns differ in Balance and feel.
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I located a few of the P380 Black Rose editions but none of the 9mm. The 380 Black Rose are newer, the 9mm version has been out a while.
Here is a link to Kahr's site, you can click on the Black Rose info.
http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_9mm_pm.html
John
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Probably find a regular Kahr PM9 more easily and if she likes that one, order the Black Rose. Just a thought.
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She carrys a S&W 642
Airweight now. The search goes on :)
(I have thought about her temper and guns in the house ;D)
Chief
Is she not happy with the 642?
If you're thinking of a .380; a Sig P238 is something to consider. IT IS SO VERY NICE.
1. minimal recoil - built on the expired colt mustang patent/frame, the design is phenomenal for absorbing the recoil.
2. easy to rack
3. easy to take down and put back together
4. LIGHTWEIGHT
5. easy to conceal
6. It is FUN to shoot!
7. Now they have a stainless version!!
8. Jeff with sigpower makes BEAUTIFUL custom grips for them!
9. Meco makes awesome custom hosters for it!
The only downside is the cost of practice ammo - it's almost double the price of other calibers, which makes practicing with it more expensive... but overall, IF I were in the market for the perfect pocket/purse gun for a woman -- this would be THE ONE!
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I think that unless she is recoil sensitive, and if she was considering a 45, probably is not, I would pass on any 380s.
As MrsFos stated ammo cost and availability, not to mention the lesser stopping power.
John
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I agree with John, there; keep looking for that ideal .45. :)
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She really likes firing my Nighthawk, but that gun is a bad thing to use as an example of .45 recoil. I think she would love a 9mm 1911 style gun. But it is her gun I want her to have exactly what she wants.
Chief
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I have a 1911 9mm and I like it A LOT too. If you were closer I'd be happy to let her try it out. There is another lady in our club who shoots one in IDPA and her's is really nice too!
Mine is a commander length and I only use it for the range; I've been leaning toward looking for one in an officer's size (maybe for carry)!
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She likes the Officer size. In particular the Kimber Ultra CDP
I would like to find one in a 9mm but they are rare in this area. She looked at a Nighthawk T3 . It has an Officer sized frame but a Commander sized slide, so that got voted down.
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Chief. Sounds like the Kimber Ultra CDP is the one. Go get it! ;D
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Colt has a Defender & New Agent model in 9mm (both are officer length).
I am so tempted by the 9mm Defender -! I'm not crazy about the New Agent's trench sites.
I casually looked for one at the last gun show, but I think if I'm serious I'll have to go online to buy one.
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I had a Colt New Agent, and the sight (or lack thereof) took a little getting used to, but after a couple of outings it was easy to use the trench. I never had any problems with it.
I just wanted a Kimber, so I sold the New Agent and bought the Kimber Ultra CDP, very happy with it.
Springfield has the Micro Compact in 45, and the EMP is the 9mm in the 45 format, that is very nice.
John
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Hey! I thought we were trying to find the Chief's wife a carry gun! ;D
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Well ultimately Chiefs wife will find it herself, one that looks and feels right to her.
We were discussing the merits of a few compact 45s, that may fit the bill.
John
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She wants to go to some gunshops today and look some more. She went to a gunshow a couple weeks ago and looked, but the crowds and volume kind of overloaded her, she did come up with an interesting business idea. OPen a booth at the gunshows strictly for women. ie: Carry purses, carry clothing, holsters,etc. There were a few there but scattered all over the place. Female shooters are fastest growing segment of the firearms industry, but they are for the most part overlooked at gun shops and gun shows. hmmmm
She is searching for another conceal carry purse now.
Chief
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Chief. Good luck today in the venture. Hopefully something will turn up to your wife's liking. :)
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Looking at gun shows can be a challenge, even if you know what you are looking for, and far worse if your trying to compare looks and feel on several guns.
I go to about ten shows a year, and early Saturday is when you need to get there to find any deals, but everyone knows that and you find the worst crowds. :'(
Good luck in your quest.
John
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Hey! I thought we were trying to find the Chief's wife a carry gun! ;D
Yep, but shopping is a group sport!
Just to throw out a few other options - Springfield EMPs also have a good reputation if she is looking for a 1911 9mm. I also have a friend who has a Para LDA and he likes it a lot - he has arthritis in his hands and appreciates the lighter trigger pull on it
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Well, I mentioned the Black Rose to her and she looked it up on her Iphone, then I heard "oooo pretty"... So we went on a search to find one she could feel and operate. No Luck. But today I found a dealer in Minnesota that has one in 9mm. He gave me 10% off msrp and told me that if I get it and my wife is not happy with it, I can return it and only pay shipping one way. Really nice guy, retired Cop and did 7 years in Spec forces. (also very chatty ;D )
So I bought it , should have it in a few days. Kahr is also doing a special deal if you buy a Black Rose, You can buy a presentation Grade slide with personal engraving on it. I might have to turn this thing into an anniversary present (June 27th) She loves Bling !
Chief
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Congrats, Chief. Glad that worked out for the BLACK ROSE! Excellent! :)
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I'll bet she will be happy with it! There is a man at our club who shoots a Kahr in IDPA and he is very happy with it.
Offering personalization is a great promotion too! It will really make it "hers"!
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She is heavily into the "her's" aspect of her Jewelry, most of it is custom, Luckily one of the best custom jewelers in the country is a good friend. I think in her case the Bling factor is a huge one. She made the statement one time that she would rather die with a good looking regular purse then carry an ugly "Carry Purse". ;D She found a carry purse she liked but of course it had to be special ordered. Some guys would say she is high maintenance, but she is not, she just "knows what she wants" ;D (I do tell her that she has me, what more could she want !? ;D ) Makes sense to me !
Chief
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Chief, you have a point! ;D
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boy does those last two posts sound familiar....
Bought wife a new Sig auto and then she special orderd a "holster/purse" and then proceeded to steal my old "all" titanium Taurus 38 special because the Sig nine was too heavy. Can't remember model number on it as I haven't seen it since she swiped it!...model 84 I think? Only made them one year and stopped due to production costs. I know I loved it, tucked it into my upper shirt pocket while kayaking. Super lightweight.
Woman know what they want....and they usually get it! ;D
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You have to please them, that's for sure! ;D
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Chief,
Congratulations on pleasing the better half.
I just bought a PM9 yesterday, and it will be here on Wed.. It's just the plain PM9 with night sights. (not much into the Rose theme) I like the Kahrs and now have the P380, PM9 and PM40, my son-inlaw has the PM45. Very good quality guns, super easy to take down and reassemble.
John
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John. Does that mean the PM45 is in your future? :) I know you have the Kimber. Just curious.
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Probably not, the next 45 will be the R45 ;D If I live that long :o
John
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Well, surely you will. Just keep the faith! ;D
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Has anyone heard if the PM9 is picky about what it eats, like the R9 is?
Chief
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Chief,
I have had no problems with either of the ones I have, that Jocko on the Kahr forum has 29,000 + rounds through his PM9, and says it shoots anything.
But I have read of people having issues with Wilsons, NightHawks, Ed Browns, as long as it's mechanical and made by people there is always the chance of problems. :o
John
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WOW! 29,000 rds! He had a lot invested just in the shooting.
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I have over 6oo rounds through my PM9 without a single failure. I had lots of partial boxes of reloads left from trying to find an accuracy load for my 952 Smith and I couldn't get it to fail with any of those. I bought a PM380 because I liked the PM9 so well and it too is flawless.
My R9 went back home because the only thing it was reliable with was Blaser Aluminum and the barrel looked like it was rifled with a file. I don't miss it.
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Interesting.
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Sounds like excellent results for the PM9.
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Tech Support at Kahr called me yesterday to answer some Questions I had about the Black Rose. I was told it is a total Custom Shop gun. Not just a slide change. She said all applicable internal parts were polished where beneficial and the slides are hand fitted to the frame, they do not just grab a premade slide and put it on. That is where the extra 30% cost comes from. She also told me if I wanted to get my wife a presentation slide with her name on it, it would run $400.00 . All in all should be a nice gun, it is supposed to arrive today so we will see.
(If the Black Rose does not work out, may be heading towards Kimber Super Carry Ultra or Raptor Ultra, she like the looks of those)
Chief
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Good luck, there, Chief, however, sounds like this could be an on going story.
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Chief,
I picked up my PM9 a couple of days ago and shot it yesterday, I put 15 rounds of Federal 95gr. JSPs through it and 25 rounds of WWB, fed, fired and ejected perfect.
I think your wife should be well pleased with the look, feel and performance of the Black Rose.
John
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I hope so. (Keeping her happy keeps me happy, as the old saying goes "If Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy")
;D
Chief
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Chief, you have been taught well! ;D
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Confuciuss say man who fight with wife all day, have no piece at night. ;D
John
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Other than to agree , I better leave that one alone. ;D
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Well, Wife received the Kahr 9mm Black Rose and found it was too hard for her to operate effectively. Recoil spring was too much for her, so I sent it back as the Gentlemen that I bought it from had made me the offer that if she did not like the gun he would take it back. We went to the gunstores and looked again. She Now has two favorite Guns, The Sig 238 and the Kimber Ultra Raptor. Then she found out about the Limited Production Sig 238 Titanium (Rainbow finish) Edition.
(Another "Pretty and Limited Production Gun) That did it, so I found one and should be receiving it Today/tomorrow. Quite an unusual looking gun but she likes it. She says she may want the Kimber in a month or so.
(http:// http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae107/Vonallen/Allen/P238-Rbow-detail-L1.jpg)
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That is a good lookin' gun. The story does continue. :)
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She has found she prefers the 1911 type platform, Single action and external safety. And has no qualms about carrying "cocked and locked". She is now saying she is really getting into firearms (all my fault she says) and suggests we get a bigger safe. I guess I will have to start reloading .380's as the cost of them is almost where .45's are here. At least they are now available. Now if I can get her to where she will clean her own gun(s) ...... naaaaa not going to happen ;D
Chief
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She has you trained well, there, Chief. Keep up the good work. ;D
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Chief:
Well done! 8)
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Now you will have to get the matching Kershaw rainbow knife for her!! ;)
I know of a gunshop that received a shipment of the 238s and the 3 rainbows were pre sold..
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I spoke to one Local dealer that told me they have had them on order since January, another told me they last at most a day when they go on the shelf. I just checked and the Gun should arrive today. guess I need to buy .380 reloading Dies.
That should be interesting reloading tiny little bullets (Compaired to the .45)...... now where are those reading glasses :)
Chief
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Chief:
I'm truly impressed by anyone who is willing and able to reload the .380 ACP.
I once decided that I would take up the reloading hobby and was already comparing Dillon Presses and such. However, I had once made the mistake of telling "Herself" the story of how I had accidentally blown up a good portion of the plumbing in my high school chemistry lab by flushing the wrong combination of materials down my sink (no injuries, fortunately, except to my pride). "Herself" immediately made me that proverbial offer I couldn't refuse -- forego reloading and receive no future objections to firearms purchases. I immediately quit looking at those Dillon Press ads -- a sacrifice in its own right. ;D
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That should be interesting reloading tiny little bullets (Compaired to the .45)...... now where are those reading glasses :)
Chief
I was just about to get into reloading (had already bought the .454 dies) when a friend of mine wanted to shoot some of his reloaded .45 LC's in my .454 Ruger Alaskan. I said sure. He fired five rds and the sixth went PFFFF. Now we all know what that means.
I always carry a wooden dowel and a plastic hammer to the range just in case something happens. The rd was lodged about one inch into the barrel and neither of us could get it out.
Off to the gun shop we went; took the gun smith three hard licks with something as he went into a back room and I couldn't see what he used.
Now this friend had reloaded for years, so I decided with his experience and this still happens, I don't need to be doing this. My reloading days never began.
Don't begrudge anyone who wants to do it, just not for me. :)
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She has found she prefers the 1911 type platform, Single action and external safety. And has no qualms about carrying "cocked and locked". She is now saying she is really getting into firearms (all my fault she says) and suggests we get a bigger safe. I guess I will have to start reloading .380's as the cost of them is almost where .45's are here. At least they are now available. Now if I can get her to where she will clean her own gun(s) ...... naaaaa not going to happen ;D
Chief
I am confused as how "cocked and locked" applies to this Sig 380 and the Colt MUstang and Gov 380.
I know the safety mechanism is similar to the "cocked and locked' lever of a 1911, however in these particular 380 models the slide does not "lock" when engaged. When the safety is engaged, the slide can still slide back and forth.
Can anyone explain any benefit to this me? This has always bothered me even when I used to carry my fully tricked out Scott Mcdougal and Assciates Colt 380.
And I absolutely love this new Sig, I think they have a winner, but the slide thing bugs me.
Thanks
Reinz
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Brenden,
The only problem with the Kershaw Rainbow knife is the finish doesn't hold up, I have one with the blue finish and if you carry it, after a short time the finish wears of, I have heard the rainbow does the same. I returned the first blue one to Bass Pro because the finish came off and they replaced it, but the second one doe's the same thing.
Chief,
Here is the link to Jeffsigs site, he has custom grips, holsters and accessories for the 238.
http://www.sigpower.com/
John
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Brenden,
The only problem with the Kershaw Rainbow knife is the finish doesn't hold up, I have one with the blue finish and if you carry it, after a short time the finish wears of, I have heard the rainbow does the same. I returned the first blue one to Bass Pro because the finish came off and they replaced it, but the second one doe's the same thing.
Chief,
Here is the link to Jeffsigs site, he has custom grips, holsters and accessories for the 238.
http://www.sigpower.com/
John
John,
I did not realise that about the finish..
I had a silver that I was carrying,but it was lost..
Ended up having a rainbow of the same size and have been carrying it.
How long before the finish started on your's?
Thanks again for the info..
Brenden
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It only took a few weeks before you could see the finish wearing off, when I took it back to Bass Pro they replaced it with no hassle. I didn't carrying the new one for a long time, then carried it a few times and I could see the same thing starting to happen. Maybe they have improved the finishes, this was about six years ago.
John
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Always been a fan of a hammerless revolvers such as the Smith Airweight or Ruger LCR for a lady with a purse. They are very uncomplicated, will go “BANG” every time the trigger is pulled, no hammer or slide to snag on anything, so can, in an emergency, be fired through the purse or a pocket for those times when there is no time to pull the weapon prior to firing. .38 +P is as good as a 9mm at the range they are intended for. Love the .45, but for now, nobody makes a really compact one when compared to the R9….I keep my .45 by the bed and the R9S in my pocket.
P.S. Don’t let the ideology of a laser sight diminish your desire for range time. Seen many laser equipped shooters that couldn’t hit a paper plate at 10 yards, let alone 10 feet. Best you can count on with a laser is to scare the assailant before you have to fire the weapon. Laser does not equal accuracy nor does it replace practice. Don’t give in to the false feeling a laser provides, it will not help your accuracy, just try holding one on target and see how much you move, and you move even more just as the trigger breaks, trust The Toad on this one and practice. When your life is at stake, you won’t have time to center that red dot anyway.
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I spoke to one Local dealer that told me they have had them on order since January, another told me they last at most a day when they go on the shelf. I just checked and the Gun should arrive today. guess I need to buy .380 reloading Dies.
That should be interesting reloading tiny little bullets (Compaired to the .45)...... now where are those reading glasses :)
Chief
Chief, has the Sig 238 Titanium Rainbow Edition arrived yet? Just curious. :)
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Yes She received it Friday and We went to the Range Saturday with it after I cleaned and Lubed it. She shot it from 7 Yards and really likes it. She was able to control and operate the gun quite well. (She still wants a .45 though probably in a month or so).
I saw the comment on Lasers made here. I have lasers on 4 of my weapons. I have one on my wifes S&W 642 "Snubby", One on My Nighthawk Predator, My Sig 228, and one of my Ar's. Lasers have their place and they do increase accuracy with the Caveat of when you cannot sight Properly without risking yourself or that you have been physically impaired, ie cannot aim and fire from strong hand or you are on your back/side/etc. Firing around objects as well. If someone's laser is not accurate at a given distance it is not setup correctly. My own lasers are zero'd at 50 Feet. Combat accuracy is more then achieved within that range. Lasers have their place. Even in Law enforcement the average hit ratio skyrockets when lasers are used. I don't practice an overly abundant time at the range I average about 600 Rounds per month and my wife averages 200 per month. But I do practice. We turn the lasers off when we go to the range (And sometimes I swap grips). Lasers are also good for the elderly whose eyesight and shakiness is an issue. They can pick up the red dot fairly easily when in a panic mode. There are many examples where lasers saved the situation. The military knows this as well. Being an anti Laser person is limiting oneself from another tool that could save your life.
Chief
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Point well taken on the lasers Chief. I do understand what you mean and that they can be beneficial to many, even in a combat situation. I just wouldn’t want someone to rely on them thinking they will provide 100% accuracy. Seen many folk think so, and be disappointed, most didn’t even realize the lasers needed to be sighted in. Anyway, I do agree with your points on the lasers, and that is a beautiful gun you got for your wife. Can’t go wrong with a Sig…
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I think Sigs are great guns as well. They are a "Real" gun company and have been among the best Military's in the world. They tend to hold prices down as well. My 228 is over 20 years old and eats everything I feed it. I don't even think about it not working.
My wife loves her "Rainbow" , she also found a "Carry Purse" from Coronado Leather she really likes. And that is a tall order if she likes a purse, the quality has to be there so if any of your wives are interested look them up. The price was reasonable as well. Galco purses were $300 and she did not care for them due to the stiff leather which would scratch after while, the Coronado leather purses were made of a slightly softer leather and cost around $150 , so in my wife's opinion at least, they were Better and Cheaper (Plus when she checked the sight, the purse she really liked was on sale).
Win Win
Chief
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Chief,
Congratulations on making the better half happy :D, I hope she never has to use it.
John
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It has just begun I am afraid. Now she wants a .45 . She really liked the looks of (Looks and style are very imprtant to her) the Kimber Ultra Raptor, Then she looked at the Ultra Super Carry. When she mentioned she really liked the Raptor's grip panel design, I told her she could always put them on the Super Carry (Which in fact matches the design better) That really got her thinking. She also likes the slightly bobtailed design of the Super Carry Ultra. She did make one statement i liked, she said that for every gun she buys, I have to buy one. I Like the way she thinks!! ;D
Looking for a bigger safe now !
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It has just begun I am afraid. Now she wants a .45 . She really liked the looks of (Looks and style are very imprtant to her) the Kimber Ultra Raptor, Then she looked at the Ultra Super Carry. When she mentioned she really liked the Raptor's grip panel design, I told her she could always put them on the Super Carry (Which in fact matches the design better) That really got her thinking. She also likes the slightly bobtailed design of the Super Carry Ultra. She did make one statement i liked, she said that for every gun she buys, I have to buy one. I Like the way she thinks!! ;D
Looking for a bigger safe now !
You are a lucky one for sure!! 8)
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Looking for a bigger safe now !
Get one like Richards! ;D
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It has a house built around it. ;D
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Now, there ya go, blue prints, Chief! ;D
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I found a really great deal on a Mac Daddy safe but I have no place (My Wife would allow) to put it in the house, and living in Florida I do not want it outside due to humidity. So I am looking at others :( (Even though size matters in gun safes, my wife feels like she does not want it in the living room, I tried telling her it is soooo pretty and it is one of the best made, I would even let her put some of her bling in it, being the "good" husband I am) But no sale ;D
It's dimension were 40"WX72HX28D
The one I am looking at now is 30WX60HX21D (more acceptable)
Chief
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Change the spare bedroom into a gunroom, and get the big one. ;D
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Time to put a small addition off the back of the house, just to the left of the kitchen. ;D
John
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Already have spread out and filled. Other problem is that I live in a 100 year old house and many of the doors are too small to get a large safe through :-[
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Well, back to the small one; seems like you're on the right track. :)
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Maybe a matching pair (His & Hers) ;D
John
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I have a 30WX21DX60H Liberty and quickly outgrew it....go large.
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I would love to buy the larger safe, the issue is it's physical size and the physical size of my 100 Year old house's door frames. Once you get past the main rooms (Living room, Dining Room , Sitting room, the door way go down to 28" which was standard back then. Woife does not want a safe in her Living room, dining room, or sitting room. (Go Figure, but I learned along time ago that the inside of the house belongs to her, I am but a mere servant that does what he is told and is allowed to paint, fix, modify it on her approval of course ;D )
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Find a way for it to be her idea to modify the door ways to a larger size. ;D
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I have had occasion over the years to remove the window sash from large windows to move an item in or out that wouldn't go through the door.
With the weight of a safe it would require a skilled moving team if such a window were available. ;D
John
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I can hear my wife now.......... ;D
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You could cut a big square in the roof and lower the safe in with a crane, and then put in a sky light; nice. ;D
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Chief:
Any wife who approves of carrying a 1911 in "Condition 1" has to be treasured. (So does mine.) 8)
Meanwhile, here is a link to what might be turned into the ultimate "gun-safe/man-cave":
http://www.safezoneballistics.com/Products/bankVaults.html
;D